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Offline roscoe

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« on: April 18, 2010, 03:24:20 PM »
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    • Because of the fallen nature of man I have failed to fully comprehend the words of the Bible in Gen 9:3

    Not only does the Bible use the plaurel to enforce the idea of the green herbs being blessed, the Book also says ' ....  have I given( delivered) them ALL to you'.

    There is no way the words of the Bible can be misinterpreted.  
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    Offline Caminus

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    « Reply #1 on: April 18, 2010, 03:39:04 PM »
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    • And it would be fallacious to infer that because creation is good, we are thereby justified in smoking it as well, its ill effects on the mind notwithstanding.    
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    Offline roscoe

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    « Reply #2 on: April 18, 2010, 04:11:11 PM »
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    • The only way MJ can have an ill effect on the mind is if it is abused( which certainly can happen)
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    Offline roscoe

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    « Reply #3 on: April 18, 2010, 04:31:03 PM »
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    • You are mixing apples and trucks anyway as the Creation is an action while green herbs are a substance.
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    « Reply #4 on: April 18, 2010, 04:52:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: roscoe
    There is no way the words of the Bible can be misinterpreted.


    No?? :scratchchin:

    I suppose all of the contradictory interpretations are an illusion...
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    « Reply #5 on: April 18, 2010, 05:23:09 PM »
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    • What part of ALL do U not comprehend?
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    « Reply #6 on: April 18, 2010, 07:35:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: roscoe
    The only way MJ can have an ill effect on the mind is if it is abused( which certainly can happen)


    Well then if it is good for you then there is no argument.  But I don't think altering  your state of mind is a good thing.  Why don't you snack on a few cactus leafs?  After all, they're part of creation too you know.  Snap off a piece and give 'er a good chewin'!
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    « Reply #7 on: April 18, 2010, 07:36:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: roscoe
    You are mixing apples and trucks anyway as the Creation is an action while green herbs are a substance.


    Creation includes anything created, including all plants.  It's  your illogic to think that just because a creature is intrinsically good it follows we can do whatever we want with it.  Shall we play reductio ad absurdem?
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    « Reply #8 on: April 18, 2010, 08:30:18 PM »
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    • I have never tried cactus leaves-- what are they like?

    There are 2 Popes( Urban VIII and Innocent X) that have fulmunated against the filthy brown herb. This is only one reason I do not partake in that substance.

    If U or any one can show something from the Magisterium of the Church that smoking MJ is not good or prohibited I will listen .

    Until then( and the then will never come) U have nothing but your own authority and I am not bound by that.

    MJ is in fact a wonder drug-- if U want to take issue with the Bible that is your own business. I am hardly surprised that a v2 hertetic thinks it is OK to do just that.
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    « Reply #9 on: April 18, 2010, 08:36:28 PM »
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    • The last sentence should read v2 Jansenist heretic.
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    « Reply #10 on: April 18, 2010, 10:57:12 PM »
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    • I'm not relying on authority, but the force of reason.  You're confusing the ontological goodness of something with its use which is subject to the moral law.  You're ignoring this fact because it ruins your appeal to Genesis as a justification to use a plant in an evil manner i.e. that it distorts or diminishes the faculty of reason.

    The existence of beer is good too, but to use it excessively causing damage to reason is a mortal sin.

     

       
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    « Reply #11 on: April 19, 2010, 12:22:38 AM »
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    • I am not in favor of abusing MJ.
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    « Reply #12 on: April 19, 2010, 01:51:27 AM »
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    • You don't have to abuse MJ to alter your mind - using it once will give you a high and alter your sense of reality.
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    « Reply #13 on: April 19, 2010, 02:34:44 AM »
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    • Every time someone responds seriously to a post by roscoe I die a little inside.
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    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #14 on: April 19, 2010, 05:28:55 AM »
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    • What most beggars belief is that Roscoe somehow incorporates into his belief system the idea that tobacco is evil by saying it is brown - when it is, of course, green.  God gave us tobacco too.  Just because marijuana retains more of its color when dried doesn't mean God intends it to be used.

    By your reasoning, we can say that it is perfectly good to consume coca leaves even though they make you high (like MJ) because they are chewed whilst still green.  In fact, to make my case as strong as yours - show me a pre-conciliar pope who condemned coca leaves and their consumption.

    Roscoe, it is apparent to all but you that you are simply trying to justify abusing a substance so you feel better about it.  No scholastic theologian would say MJ is okay to smoke - and the fact that no pope has spoken on the issue is irrelevant - they haven't spoken on the use of meth or laudanum or many other stimulants and drugs except by their constant condemnation of the use of any substance to a point that we lose our ability to correctly reason.  That condemnation includes MJ by the fact that MJ does just that.
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