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Quote from: Busillis

I wonder if a bbgun would be good protection.

Maybe from squirrel attacks.

 

squirrels are dangerous

Well, there are some pretty impressive air guns on the market, and if someone came into my house and that was all I had, I would certainly try for a head shot, but after that shot, you better be ready to follow-up with something else.

There are also interesting stun guns for use at intermediate range which would definitely incapacitate at attacker, and you would not need to get within arm reach to use them, if you are leery of guns.

We hunt Deer in the Midwest with Shotguns with Slug Barrels.  When you shoot a deer with that gun they drop in their tracks.  

A Remington 870 in 12 or 20 gauge with a rifled barrel is light and manuverable with an effective range of 100 yards.

Ammunition is inexpensive and as for a deterrant - I know If I was breaking into someones house and I heard the unmistakable sound of a pump shotgun injecting a round in the firing chamber - I am running as fast as I can.

I see brand new 308s and Slug Shot guns starting for the single shots at 200 and 250.  I think the shot gun was about 250, because it came with a real walnut stock and the 308 had a plastic stock, so it was only 200.  Both came from name brand manufacturers, who get respect.  No tax (shipped to my state) and free shipping.  All you gotta pay is the FFL transfer, which I've seen as little as 5 bucks or as high as 80.  Most guys around me want 20 bucks.  

I'd double check with some local gunstores to make sure those guns were decent quality, before I bought one, especially if I was strapped for cash.  And seriously, if I could, I'd hold out for something a little bit nicer.  A decent gun should out last the owner.  

Does anyone have familiarity with these?

http://geissele.com/

To my understanding, yours is one of many "correct" permutations.  That there are so many opinions on what is best is what prompted me to seek the opinions of others.

i have been most fond of the 3-point over the neck and dominant shoulder, but it is a pain for transition to weak hand.  For its simplicity I have been curious about using the 1 point systems.

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..hitting things you were not aiming at....

I understand that you are (half?) joking, but I recently shot a friend's Moisin Nagant and was able to shoot a fast-paced 5-round 1.5" group at 100 yards off the bench with iron sights. Not spectacular, but not bad for a $129 rifle that can be fed 880 rds for $199.  That long sight radius is also a benefit for those in the "need reading glasses" age cohort.

For more money there are certainly better choices, but the Moisin Nagant has seen effective service in three centuries.  Other than the Mauser 98 (yes, a better rifle), what rifle can make such a claim?  

"...seen effective service in three centuries" What owner can make such a claim?

I don't think I could have done that with the one I was shooting.  Maybe I don't have enough rifle experience, but I have shot a lot of different rifles and the mosin was by far the worst and least enjoyable thing I've ever shot.  I'd take the Hi Point 9mm Carbine over it and probably shoot that group your talking about on the first try.  Although, it doesn't pack as much punch, at least I'd be sure to hit what I was aiming at.  Just saying, I'd be happy if I hit the target with the mosin and would plan on icing my shoulder afterwards  

Woops!  100 yards!  Not me!  I don't get much practice shooting from that distance.  I'm basically "range bound."  

I have only shot two of them and both were reasonably accurate. Perhaps I have been lucky, but I think you may have been unlucky enough to shoot an unrepresentatively inaccurate specimen.  Mind you, I am not an effusive fan of the Moisin Nagant, only that I think it is a reasonable choice for the budget minded.

Could be, but he was asking about an extra hunting gun, perhaps for large game.  I can't see hunting with this gun.  I don't think it was designed for that purpose.  I don't know a lot about it, but from what I have read, I'd think the 30-06 would be perfect for that purpose.  If I wanted to save money, I'd just get a used one/learn how to reload ammo and cast my own bullets.  But, I decided hunting was gonna take up too much time.  So, I never did it.  

Bottom line, I'd say the mosin is a gun to get for kicks and even there, it isn't that much fun.  I'd rather make my own fireworks, with the money and time.  It's pretty neat what you can do with black powder and tennis balls.  

The days of the quality $300 rifle are long gone. To buy anything of quality will cost   $1,000+ before you "accessorize."

This week I thought I'd price M1 Garands for a possible "beater" that could be tossed around. I was shocked to find that one with a decent barrel/crown was over $1,500.  For that price, one can buy an AK and accessorize it—and feed it a lot less expensively.

Oh yeah, I know what you mean.  I got a chance to shoot a "saving private ryan" replica.  Very smooth, very nice gun and you're in the price range    

To hunt or just to get into rifle shooting, I'd spend 400 bucks on a decent 30-06 or 308, that held 4+1, reload and cast for it and find an outdoor rifle range, where I could learn to shoot, with a scope at "long range."  I'd spend 1/3rd of what the mosin ammo costs and get at least 90% of what the factory ammo gets, in terms of reliability, CONSISTENCY and accuracy.  And, I'd use the cheapest reloading equipment and components out there to do it, so long as it was from an established brand.  One misfire out of 500 rounds;  who cares?  One "stray" out of every 50;  so what?  It's not like I'll lose my corporate sponsors if I miss a shot