Comparing a Savage and a Moisin Nagant seems fair.  

Suum cuique.

No, Not even close.

Savage is a Modern Arms manufaturer, us use by our police and Military.

They produce an extremely Accurate rifle. Extremely accurate.

There is NO comparison to a Nagant and Savage.


Savage is heads and shoulders above in terms of
1. Modern Caliber (308, 7mm, 30-06, 338 Lapua, 300 Win mag)
2.  Accuracy
3.  Build design


Price is very affordable for a Savage.
By the ime one has to upgrade his bolt, drill and tap for scope, scope rings etc...one is at the same price as savage.

Mosins are good for making a loud boom, testing shoulder strength and cracking skulls.   :applause:

The accuracy of the Mosin-Nagant can be quite good. It was used by both sides in the Russo-Finnish Winter War in 1939-1940 & gave good service. Simo Hayha, a Finnish sniper used a Mosin-Nagant to kill more than 500 Soviet soldiers, an average of 5 per day. This was with iron sights, as Mr. Hayha didn't want to risk giving his position away by sunlight being reflected off of the lense of a telescopic sight. Also one needn't raise one's head up quite so high when using iron sights. It must be said that the Finnish rifles are generally somewhat better than the Russian as regards quality of manufacture & accuracy. The British Lee-Enfield is another good surplus rifle, though it is generally more expensive than the Mosin-Nagant.

Quote from: JohnChrysostom

Savage 308
Savage is a Modern Firearm, much more accurate and well built.

You are welcome to shop at a nearly bankrupt Judaic department store to buy their Sears brand (Stevens) knockoff. You are welcome to consider it a step above a Moisin Nagant.  You are welcome to post a target measuring the two closest bulletholes as evidence of "accuracy." We Catholics can be so welcoming to an ignorant, boorish, and loudmouth Brooklyn rebitsin.

Jerk.

Isnt it ironic that Stevens BUILT Mosin Nagants!
Feel kinda stupid yet?  
The Very same Stevens you tried to discredit.
Better to be quiet and thought a fool, than to type and speak and remove all doubt..

"Other U.S. military offerings by Stevens included two shotgun models in 12 gauge. These were modified versions of the model 520 and 620 shotguns.[12] Stevens produced a version of the Russian Mosin-Nagant rifle during the First World War for use by the Russian (Czarist) government.

"Some of the other more military firearms produced by Stevens include the Savage Lee Enfield No. 4 rifle[13] and the Thompson submachine gun. During the Second World War, Savage produced the Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR), as well as .30 in (7.62 mm) and .50 in (12.7 mm) machine guns.[10][11][14]






I dont shop at nearly bankrupt Judaic dept stores.
I can go to any sporting goods store, D*cksSporting, Basspro, Cabelas or Online to Gunbroker, Buds Guns or Gunsamerica and and buy a $300 Savage.

The Stevens model is made BY Savage and is their entry model, no frills,  same barrel gun known for excellent accuracy, machining, and reliability, missing its accustock etc.
Savage Bought Stevens in 1920. Made on the same Savage equiptment.

That Stevens Savage you try to discredit has probably killed more deer and fed more families than any other bolt gun in this country.
And Sub MOA photos of its accuracy at 100 meters proves its craftsmanship.

If youd rather be snobbish and be ignorant of the facts, that is your right.
You also have the right to your opinion, however wrong it is..
I just try to offer alternatives and correct untruths and mistatements.

And if others want gun reviews of Savage/Stevens,unbiased of course, I can post them and they will prove me right and you an uninformed gunsnob.

http://www.biggamehunt.net/reviews/stevens-200-rifle-review

In 1917, the company's name was changed to Savage Arms Corporation. During the First World War, Savage's manufacturing facilities were turned to the manufacture of Lewis machine guns, and the production of civilian sporting arms was resumed in 1919.

Stevens Arms was an American firearms manufacturer founded by Joshua Stevens in 1864. The company introduced the .22 Long Rifle round and made a number of rifle, shotgun, and target pistol designs before being bought by Savage Arms in 1920. After 1920, Stevens made training rifles and machineguns for the US Military. Savage stopped using the Stevens brand by 1950.

I just love 'know nothings' that think they know it all...!!
Thanks for playing.  Next

A $300 Savage versus a $70 Mosin.  Hmmmmm.  And Mosin ammunition is cheaper.

The bottom line is the mosin is a cheap gun that can certainly be very effective.

Maybe for some of the smaller guys it's a bit unwieldy.  With training I'm sure someone can hit what they're shooting at in reasonable ranges.

With a powerful steel-core round.  It is what it is.  

Mosins are not $70.
The cheapest Ive seen are $89 and there is a $40 cost to transfer to a licensed FFL, incl shipping.  Thats $130.

And If you wish to use a scope on a Mosin, you must install a new Bolt ($40), Tap the receiver mounts, drill ($40-60), crown the barrel ($50+) and now youre close to a new Savage on a 60-80 year old gun that was rush to production during war time by peasant conscripts.


That Mosin is a 100-200meter gun, at best.
Iron sights only.  
A Savage 7mm, 308 or 300 Win Mag is used by SWAT/Special Ops  is easily a 1000 meter gun.



Decent guns for a college kid on a budget.
Modern day battle rifle? No way.  

Much better options in the same price range, WITH SCOPE included.
7.62 is a NATO round.  Nagant 7.62x54 is not, and ammo supply, offereings and rounds (SPs for hunting) will be limited in bad times.

Savage M10 BAS-K .308

Posted by Dave Spaulding.
GUNS AND WEAPONS FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT



In tactical situations, where lives are on the line, accuracy of fire is everything. It doesn’t matter if it’s the pistol shot of an LE entry team member trying to stop the execution of a hostage or the long distance rifle round fired to drop an insurgent bent on death and destruction…accuracy is everything! The most critical LE aspect of an accurate shot fired during the stress of a critical incident is a trained shooter who has the mental capacity to hold his nerve while finding the sights and pressing the trigger.

 Once such an individual is selected and trained, then the best equipment possible completes “the package.” Regardless of whether it’s boots, armor, holsters or weapons, those who choose to go in harm’s way to protect the citizens of this great land, whether law enforcement or military, deserve the best money can buy. When it comes to the precision marksman, only the best, most accurate rifle will do.

Sniping is the use of a specially built rifle for situations in which a hostile subject must be stopped quickly and efficiently at distances somewhere between 50 and 1,000 yards. To the best of these highly trained professionals, the difference in distance is a small matter as they are prepared to take a shot at any distance.

Savage’s tactical rifles are designed with this very serious mission in mind. Once thought of as the firearm of the mom and pop hardware store, Savage Arms is now a very serious contender in the tactical long-range rifle market, making some of the most accurate long range rifles available. In January 2009, Savage introduced several new tactical grade rifles that would be an excellent choice for LE, military operations or even the recreational/competition shooter. Offering the quality features needed by the tactical operations precision marksman, these new rifles from Savage offer a number of serious advantages.

Gun DetailsThe Model 10 BAS-K (bolt action sniper muzzle brake) is a .308 caliber short bolt-action rifle that’s optimized for precision shots at extended ranges.
Every heavy contour barrel used on this series of bolt guns is button rifled for enhanced precision and features a recessed target crown. The floating bolt head ensures both lugs have full bearing on the locking surface, which eliminates the need to lap the bolt and ensures the headspace on every rifle is set at an absolute minimum. All rifles in this series offer standard features like oversized bolt handles permitting rapid follow-up shots as well as Savage’s crisp, creep-free AccuTrigger allows you to easily adjust trigger pull weight from approximately 1.5 to 6 pounds.

Stock choices are the well known H-S Precision Tactical, Choate or McMillan. These are top notch stock manufactures for today’s law enforcement and military special operations forces. In addition to custom stock, the Model 10 BAS-K also comes standard with a matte blue barreled action, heavy free-floating, fluted and button rifled 24-inch barrel, oversized bolt handle, detachable box magazine and a muzzle brake. My test Model 10 BAS-K tipped my scale at just a shade over 13 pounds without an optic.

My test gun came with the standard length, adjustable M4 style stock with custom cheek piece. I liked this set-up as it gave me both a solid cheek and shoulder weld while allowing for full adjustment for different shooters. In the case of law enforcement SWAT Team, this gun could be issued to a number of shooters during its service life and it is doubtful that all of the officers would have the same body build.'


 

Judaic department stores indeed..  Choice of SWAT teams the nation over.

I feel out of place on this forum. All the men seem to be experts on guns. I have a pocket knife.