Today I have been reading "Off the Grid Survival" post by I think G_V. Within the link: http://offgridsurvival.com/ there was discussion about owning your land. There was a respondent in the comments section that mentioned something about "Land Patents". This person explained that someone they knew owned waterfront property and the City where they resided wanted to create a public trail. The city offered the homeowners .10 cents on the dollar compared to private real estate values.

The someone we'll call him "Joe" had went directly to the Bureau of Land Management and filed for a Federal Land Patent. When the city sued him to comply with 'their' right of easement he went to court and the Judge was very forceful to him demanding that he give up this easement. He stated he didn't have to, as he had a Land Patent. Then the judge begged him to 'just do it', the man refused. The attorney's and judge were initially unaware of what a Land Patent is. So what is it?

In its simplest terms it is 'the only ABSOLUTE title that is allowed in the U.S. For yourself, your heirs forever. You can not be forced to pay taxes nor can this property EVER be taken from you due to a debt. Unless you sign it over. You are allowed to contract your land as you see fit without worries that it can be taken from you.

Think you have it with your title or Warranty of Deed it's all legal...not quite. The title held by those of us that own our homes is actually called a "color of Title". It's nothing but a sales receipt essentially. However it can be taken away from you by the government at any time it wants, citing 'easement' due to highways, byways, any reason that can come up with. To protect yourself and your property go to the nearest office of Bureau of Land Managment. This costs about $100. You have to get your Warranty of Deed, showing the Legal description of your land. They certify it and then you can have what is called "sandwiched" and post it either in local newspaper that you have accepted the Land Patent, post it in U.S. Post Office or Sheriff, County Bulletin board. Of course keep extra copy for yourself. If your not totally sure if you've got all your 'i' dotted and T's crossed you can pay $200 to TeamLaw.org. (I'm not advocating them they're just the only ones that I have found pertinent information from). My understanding from reading http://teamlaw.net/Warn1.pdf (Start at Page 13 "Do You Own Your Land?"

For further more in depth reading please go to http://teamlawforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3&sid=95225a3253f46a514d2c0c2109e6c2be

Again, not advocating this teamlaw.org or anything they say or do. But they are about the only place that I could find info regarding the Land Patents, even in the Bureau of Land Management website I was not able to find it (not saying it's not there just wasn't 'easy')

Thought I share this as many of those within this Forum are considering or have already purchased property in light of the very probable **** hitting the fan.

Blessings.

I found it! Wasn't initially able to find anything withing the main page of Bureau of Land Management but here it is:

http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/

I find it interesting they are making it sound like it's an off-shoot of "Ancestory" website, just to find out info about 'old timers' ...nothing about creating a current Land Patent for yourself....I'm not a conspiracy theorist but that is bizarre.

I did look up my family name and found that indeed there IS property that has Land Patent (as it seems that was very common until after WWII). And that the property is in Springfield, MO and it never changed hands (the Patent) A total of 120 acres....interesting. I have no idea what I'll do with this info, other than just knowing it.

I found it! Wasn't initially able to find anything withing the main page of Bureau of Land Management but here it is:

http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/

I find it interesting they are making it sound like it's an off-shoot of "Ancestory" website, just to find out info about 'old timers' ...nothing about creating a current Land Patent for yourself....I'm not a conspiracy theorist but that is bizarre.

I did look up my family name and found that indeed there IS property that has Land Patent (as it seems that was very common until after WWII). And that the property is in Springfield, MO and it never changed hands (the Patent) A total of 120 acres....interesting. I have no idea what I'll do with this info, other than just knowing it.

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My husband has some too.

Can you CLAIM that if you're family?!??!

Hmm...

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If the land contract wasn't signed over...

Hmm....

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I'm going to investigate this further.

My very limited understanding says yes. But first get the land certified and then do something about it. The property; homes and businesses are what is called an 'property appurtenant' which is home, outbuilding, business. The property appurtenant is what is generally used as collateral to get a mortgages. And thus we then have real estate transactions. Originally, this could have been aquired through is the subdivision or division of the property. This is called 'Aliquot parts'. The Land Patent can still be in your husband's family and they allowed it to be quarter, half, or subdivided.  

My understand is that when there is a possible conflict of the Land Patent (recall that a Land Patent secures two different 'rights': appurtenant (tangible) and land (intangible) rights. When there is that conflict where the appurtenant (homes, businesses etc) and the land are owned by two different people this is called 'feudal title'. Meaning the King (your husband's family) has domain due to the Land and the private people (subjects, owners of homes, businesses) own the appurtenant they are in 'feudal tenure' with your husband's family and simply do not know it.

What to do? You CAN sell the land once you get it certified. Perhaps going to the actual homeowners, business owners and doing it privately. That is something I can not even try to advice you on. Just an idea. But it makes for an interesting backstory. If you find it is true your husband's family owns this land patent without any verifiable transfer it's yours as the Land Patent assigns this to their heirs forever.

Were land patents ever transferred or sold to others? How do you find this out?

Woah! As I understand it, it CANNOT!

Thus, the Land Patent is the actual Grant of the Land; and, the sovereign signature and patent seal on that Grant secures the title of the Land to the parties named on the Land Patent (a.k.a. “Land Grant made Patent”). Thus, the Land Patent is also the actual Title to the Land described on the Land Patent. Accordingly, the sovereign’s signature and patent seal locks the Title as it stands; and so, forever bars any changes to said Grant; which is exactly what “made Patent” means (in the usage: “Land Grant made Patent”). In case anyone missed that, be careful to notice: “The fact that the Land Grant made Patent is so patent sealed, it cannot be changed; which means it cannot be “updated” or “brought up” in somebody’s name or otherwise, in any way changed.”

It can be ASSIGNED to someone else. So in essence it can be sold, and assignment of the Patent given to someone else. Hence when you get the Land Patent you accept the assignment by posting on Bulletins of US Postal office or Community Board or local newspaper. The Patent and the Legal Description of the land can not be changed. That's how I'm reading it.

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I wonder if you can get it back if the original land patent is in the name of your family. I wonder if anyone has been successful at doing that...

You must have not just the Land Patent but also evidence of your right to the land. That is in Warranty Deed, quitclaim deed, an actual assignment, inheritance, etc. You must have a complete chain of title from the original Land Patent to you.

However, we both may have been getting ahead of ourselves.... :detective: Per a response in a forum regarding Land Patents:

"heirs do not automatically become lawful recipients of the rights of land held by the their (the heir's) parents simply because there is a blood relationship. . Therefore, I would presume then that any claim for land  would require solid docuмentary proof of rights of assignment and thus any tract of land not properly claimed with docuмentary evidence was identified as such. "

Sigh...we're both learning together.

Many blessings

I've read about this but I've never heard of someone getting away with it.

I need evidence.

Are you trying to transfer an existing patent or create a new one?

When I read some of this a few weeks ago, the thought that came to my mind was that you'd have to live on the exact same land that was originally listed and not just a portion of it. Is this correct?