Send CathInfo's owner Matthew a gift from his Amazon wish list:
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

Author Topic: Is a firearm thread okay?  (Read 6688 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Telesphorus

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12713
  • Reputation: +22/-13
  • Gender: Male
Is a firearm thread okay?
« on: November 14, 2010, 02:49:27 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • I wonder if some of us could compare ideas about firearms and show off some pieces?


    Offline St Jude Thaddeus

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 857
    • Reputation: +185/-24
    • Gender: Male
    Is a firearm thread okay?
    « Reply #1 on: November 14, 2010, 02:52:31 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Now here's a thread I think we can all agree on!  :cowboy:
    St. Jude, who, disregarding the threats of the impious, courageously preached the doctrine of Christ,
    pray for us.


    Offline Matthew

    • Mod
    • *****
    • Posts: 31196
    • Reputation: +27113/-494
    • Gender: Male
    Is a firearm thread okay?
    « Reply #2 on: November 15, 2010, 08:56:29 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • How to buy a used gun

    A recent commenter asked for some advice on buying used guns. At one point I was frequenting about a dozen gun shows a year, with almost weekly trips to pawn shops, gun shops, secondhand stores, etc. in search of the elusive bargain. I bought and sold close to 30 firearms (all but three were used) in a four-year period, bracketed by the beginning of gainful employment and at the end in marriage. What follows are some general tips on what I look for, with the benefit of hindsight, money under the bridge and years of wisdom.

    1. You get what you pay for

    Always. A $100 gun will shoot like a $10 gun. If it doesn’t blow up in your hand. Forget the perfect bargain; be prepared to pay a fair price for a decent firearm. If it’s a high-dollar gun for rock bottom price, then something ain’t right about the deal. It’s broke, stolen, fake, used in a crime, something.

    A corollary: know the fair price for the gun in question. It’s a pretty simple formula: take the new price and deduct whatever premium you attach to “new.” On a brand new rifle from a gun dealer that costs $500, I’m prepared to pay a $50 premium over used for box fresh. In other words, I won’t pay a penny more than $450 for a pre-owned version of the same gun. Your premium may vary.

    While there are plenty of books listing used gun prices, a gun is worth whatever someone will pay for it. The only reliable source for actual gun values are completed sales (check gunbroker.com). Another excellent resource: specialty forums. Join. Ask. Otherwise, it all comes down to this: what’s the gun worth to you?

    2. Stick to known commodities.

    Always. A Colt .45 automatic will hold its value, a Spanish knock-off .45 auto won’t. The downside: you’ll pay more up front. The upside: you can always recoup your money by reselling it later (if necessary). Sticking with a common caliber also helps the resell potential. You shouldn’t necessarily buy with the intent to resell, but doing so gives you more options down the road. This path also puts you in the fat middle of options as far as accessories and ammo.

    3. Be prepared to walk away

    Really. You’ll rarely come up on those mythical once-in-a-lifetime opportunities. More often, there’ll be something that tickles your paranoid gland and you should listen to it. Something just ain’t right with the story behind the piece. The guy selling it can’t look you in the eye. The price doesn’t match the piece. I can guarantee it ain’t as rare or as desired as what the seller is telling you. Walking away is right more often than not in those situations.

    4. Examine the piece carefully

    First things first:always exhibit safe gun handling technique. Verify the gun is unloaded, maintain muzzle discipline, and no finger on trigger. Ask for permission if you want to break it down or dryfire it. Make sure the seller is also demonstrating safe handling. If not, be polite and walk away. If in a store setting, you can request another employee show you the piece. As for the gun itself, you don’t need to be an expert or gunsmith, just use some common sense.

        * What’s the overall appearance? Scratched and dented, finish faded, or like new? Avoid anything that looks abused, but don’t be scared of purely cosmetic issues (unless that’s why you’re buying it in the first place). If you can’t tell the difference, then stick with newish looking no visible damage only.
        * Any modifications? This can anything from scope, laser, grips, light, mag carriers, to trigger jobs and custom barrels. I tend to shy away from modified pieces (scopes excepted). I also tend to run away from trigger jobs. If I want a custom trigger, I’ll buy a stock piece and take it to a gunsmith myself. If you like it pimped out, fine, but don’t pay a premium for it. Sometimes the add-ons disguise the fact that the gun’s a dog to begin with. On high dollar custom jobs, there should be adequate docuмentation of work done and by whom.
        * Anything loose or rattling? Don’t force anything or put excess pressure on it, but if the stock or grips slide around be concerned. If it rattles or jingles, and various bits and pieces are loose, keep looking elsewhere.
        * Look at the screws carefully. The sure sign an amateur has been tinkering with the insides is if the screw heads are jiggered up. That’s where you use a wrong sized screwdriver and the head slips out of the slot on the screw. What’s left is some knarled up metal on the screw head. Avoid this.
        * Get yourself a bore light and carry it. Again verify the gun is unloaded, then take a gander at the inside of the barrel. In general your won’t be able to tell much beyond clean or dirty, but you can at least avoid glaring problems like bulged barrels or rust. A little dirt isn’t a problem, a lot can cause concern.
        * Work the action and (with permission) dry fire it once or twice. The action should be smooth and lock up firmly. The trigger should be smooth with average pull weight. Avoid triggers that are too light or too heavy. If the action tends to bind up, walk away.

    Most modern firearms from big-name companies are solid, well-built pieces. There would have to be blatant abuse to actually screw one up. If all the above looks good upon examination, you’ll most likely have a good gun. Not guaranteed, but most likely.

    Buy from mainstream sellers

    In general, I recommend gun shops. Most gun shops will deal new and used, and are willing to work trades if the gun in question doesn’t work out for you. Also, they are most likely not going to sell a broken or unsafe gun, assuming it’s a reputable shop.

    While gunbroker.com is a relatively safe marketplace, there’s nothing like inspecting a weapon in person [see: above]. Buying a gun from a bricks and mortar dealer using the service adds another level of security, but WYSIWYG always works better in person.

    Gunshows allow you to look at a large variety of guns and cross-shop prices among different vendors. They also lead to impulse buys that can work out very badly. The lack of a bricks-and-motar establishment means that all sales are final.

    Pawn shops are a big risk. I actually enjoy browsing pawn shops, in the same way other people enjoy going to garage sales or antique stores. But they are the worst at dealing out a fair price, and often have the most shoddy guns on display.

    All of the above is nothing more than basic common sense. Don’t be afraid of used guns, but maintain a clear head while shopping. Depending on where you go, you’ll get to see and experience all sorts of nonsense. I’ve heard blatantly wrong information and occasionally dangerous advice. I’ve seen absolute junk marketed as new-in-the-box. I’ve also bought good pieces at good prices, So can you. Good Luck!
    Want to say "thank you"? 
    You can send me a gift from my Amazon wishlist!
    https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

    Paypal donations: matthew@chantcd.com

    Offline Telesphorus

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 12713
    • Reputation: +22/-13
    • Gender: Male
    Is a firearm thread okay?
    « Reply #3 on: November 15, 2010, 10:04:16 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Yes it's very easy to be ripped off.  I would say my first purchase was that way.  I simply walked into a store, not even the one I intended to go into.  I saw a gun that looked vaguely like the kind of gun I wanted and definitely paid too much for it.  I bartered for the gun, and did a bad job of that too.

    Know the models you're looking for, and don't settle for less.  If you buy an ugly scratched up gun don't expect others to want to buy it from  you, and don't expect to be happy with it.  

    I think I did a much much better job when I went to a gun show last Saturday.  I bought two very attractive pistols for close to their market value.  Probably I could recoup close to 80% of my investment if I tried to sell them tomorrow.  I'm confident these pistols will gain in value.  A P1 and a P4 and holster, both of which look like they've been seldom fired, and in beautiful condition.  Aesthetically pleasing guns, that any collector would be happy to have for the price, and that are reliable and accurate.




    I must admit though I almost bought some guns that were rather questionable.  An Argentine version of a browning hi-power that was scratched up.  A Taurus revolver that was really overpriced.  Some Ruger .22s that would really only be good for target shooting.  Be sure to bring enough cash if you see something you know to be a good deal.  There was a beautiful pistol .22 caliber luger I should have bought but I didn't bring enough cash.

    Buy what you really want.  Don't allow yourself to be pressured into buying something you don't really want.  There are plenty of shops and shows with better deals waiting.


    Offline Telesphorus

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 12713
    • Reputation: +22/-13
    • Gender: Male
    Is a firearm thread okay?
    « Reply #4 on: November 15, 2010, 10:16:29 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote
    Always. A $100 gun will shoot like a $10 gun. If it doesn’t blow up in your hand.


    You can still buy some nice old rifles for maybe $125.


    Offline Belloc

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 6600
    • Reputation: +615/-5
    • Gender: Male
    Is a firearm thread okay?
    « Reply #5 on: November 16, 2010, 07:45:50 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • I spent the extra $$ and bought a gun that I was certified and trained on. Handles well....just wish I knew someone selling a AK 47 cheap, but quality and one that I did not have to register (in my stte, it is cinsider a rifle, but one has to still register it with ATF). Have plenty of rounds from time I owned a SKS (nice,but was too heavy and long to be affective)
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic

    Offline Telesphorus

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 12713
    • Reputation: +22/-13
    • Gender: Male
    Is a firearm thread okay?
    « Reply #6 on: November 17, 2010, 12:10:57 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • I suppose it goes without saying, but you can often find many instructional videos:


    Offline Telesphorus

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 12713
    • Reputation: +22/-13
    • Gender: Male
    Is a firearm thread okay?
    « Reply #7 on: November 22, 2010, 06:18:27 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0


  • Offline Zenith

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 665
    • Reputation: +523/-0
    • Gender: Male
    Is a firearm thread okay?
    « Reply #8 on: November 23, 2010, 10:48:33 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • If guns are responsible for crime then your pen is responsible for your spelling mistakes!
     :geezer:

    Offline Catholic Samurai

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 2821
    • Reputation: +744/-14
    • Gender: Male
    Is a firearm thread okay?
    « Reply #9 on: November 24, 2010, 01:44:24 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: Zenith
    If guns are responsible for crime then your pen is responsible for your spelling mistakes!
     :geezer:


    Im sure most of yall have seen this already, but I think it's fitting.  :laugh1:
    "Louvada Siesa O' Sanctisimo Sacramento!"~warcry of the Amakusa/Shimabara rebels

    "We must risk something for God!"~Hernan Cortes


    TEJANO AND PROUD!

    Offline Belloc

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 6600
    • Reputation: +615/-5
    • Gender: Male
    Is a firearm thread okay?
    « Reply #10 on: November 24, 2010, 02:30:03 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • "Guns don't kill people, the Government does"
    -Dale Gribble aka Rusty Shackleford in Tv's King of the Hill

    http://www.wavsource.com/snds_2010-10-31_9145647707462164/tv/misc/king_of_hill_guns.wav
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic


    Offline Telesphorus

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 12713
    • Reputation: +22/-13
    • Gender: Male
    Is a firearm thread okay?
    « Reply #11 on: November 27, 2010, 12:36:35 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Took my brother to the range and put about 100 rounds through the Walther P1.

    Not even a hint of any jamming.  Very reliable with Federal 115 grain 9 millimeter parabellum.


    Offline Telesphorus

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 12713
    • Reputation: +22/-13
    • Gender: Male
    Is a firearm thread okay?
    « Reply #12 on: December 02, 2010, 02:17:33 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Yesterday went to the range again and tested the Walther P1, P4, and a crummy phoenix arms .25.  Definitely cannot recommend the phoenix arms.  Failure to feed and stove-top jams are common.

    The Walthers are reasonably accurate and again, not a hint of jamming.  Fun to shoot.

    Offline Belloc

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 6600
    • Reputation: +615/-5
    • Gender: Male
    Is a firearm thread okay?
    « Reply #13 on: December 02, 2010, 02:56:17 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • WOuld love to try a walther......have a Sig Sauer P229 .357 myself, plus old shotgun and .38 (like the type Barney used on Andy Griffth)
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic

    Offline Telesphorus

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 12713
    • Reputation: +22/-13
    • Gender: Male
    Is a firearm thread okay?
    « Reply #14 on: December 02, 2010, 03:32:40 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: Belloc
    WOuld love to try a walther......have a Sig Sauer P229 .357 myself, plus old shotgun and .38 (like the type Barney used on Andy Griffth)


    That sig sounds like a very nice gun.  How much are .357 magnum rounds a box?  

    I forgot to mention I bought a winchester cleaning kit in a little
    wooden box, with brass brushes for the bore, some hoppe's 9 solvent, a can of break free, and 200 cotton strips at walmart.  I'm still using 3 in one oil to lubricate.  I'll need to buy some better stuff eventually.  Heavier stuff maybe.  Like gun butter.

    Taking apart and cleaning was pretty easy.