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Traditional Catholic Faith => The Catholic Bunker => Topic started by: Miser Peccator on November 29, 2021, 10:35:16 PM
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The WEF warned recently about bank accounts freezing.
We know they have a grid down cyber pandemic planned.
India, Austria, NY, Australia and elsewhere they are refusing shopping to those who refuse the gene editing plug and play tool kit shot.
And banking analyst made it clear in her recent interview with Planet Lockdown that we will either submit to the shot and get hooked up to the internet of things and mind control, or live off grid.
She gives some practical advice on how to get ready for that.
So if this were to happen tonight, how long would you and your family last?
Do you know 10 people within 10 miles? Have you talked with them on how to deal with this coming event? Could you organize a meeting with them real soon?
Do you have a nearby butcher, dairy, garden that you can barter with?
Is there a doctor or a nurse in your off grid community? How can you reach out to them in an emergency?
Do you have coins you can use for creating an off grid economy?
How will you communicate with each other? Do ham radios work without electricity?
Do you have a trustworthy Sheriff who will protect your clan or community?
Can you flush your toilet without electricity?
How long will your food and water last?
I know this is scary to face and normalcy bias makes us want to keep going as if all is fine, but it isn't.
Time is running out so we need to be like Noah and get our ark ready.
So lets face this and discuss strategies.
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How will you communicate with each other? Do ham radios work without electricity?
With Ham Radio.
I see you've prepared a snarky counter-question in advance, but here's my response to your snark: you obviously know little to nothing about ham radio.
Unless we're talking about a supernatural outage (a la the Three Days of Darkness), solar panels, batteries, and generators will work just fine.
Ham Radios operate on 12V DC like a car battery or marine deep cycle battery would provide. Even when you're operating at home on-the-grid, you use a separate "power supply" which takes your 120V A/C mains power and turns it into 12V DC -- and that is plugged into your radio. But radios all run off 12V DC natively.
Hams routinely go to parks, mountaintops, and other summits for "portable" operations. Twice a year countless hams (not just those super "into" portable operating) go to parks and set up for Summer Field Day and then again for Winter Field Day. Not to mention "mobile" radios found in cars, which are quite numerous. You will need solar panels or generators to recharge those batteries, yes, but most hams have this. Especially those with an inclination towards preparedness, emergency comms, and/or portable operation. There are hundreds of sub-hobbies within the VERY BROAD Ham Radio hobby.
Hams tend to have an above-average number of batteries in their possession, of all types and sizes, around the shack. LiPo, NiMH, Lithium Iron Phosphate, sealed AGM, Lead-acid, etc. Both household sizes like AA and 9V (to power small equipment) but also various other battery packs and "car battery" size batteries -- ranging from 5 lbs up to 100 lbs. And, of course, they have various ways to charge them. Hams really like solar panels.
Morse Code receiving/sending takes about 1/10th the power to make it the same distance -- so it will be very useful in a grid-down or collapse scenario. So it helps to know and practice the Code now. It's also about 10-50X easier to build your own radio from parts, if you just want to send morse code vs. sending and receiving voice.
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With Ham Radio.
Thanks for sharing your information with everyone, Matthew!
I'm not sure why you thought I was being snarky?? Not my intent at all.
I honestly didn't know the answer and when I've mentioned getting one to people they often say it won't work if you don't have electricity. Yet, I know there ways around so many of these problems.
The reason I asked was so people would think about it and those like you would share their knowledge with others. :)
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We have sanitation covered too. We already burn our trash, and with our acreage we have plenty of places to put food waste to compost. As for toilets, we can continue to use the toilets we have now, since we have a septic system -- NOT THE ELECTRICITY-USING AEROBIC KIND -- for both our buildings. So we just need to bring in rainwater, greywater, etc. and manually refill the toilet tanks, and they will flush -- right into the septic tanks like usual. 100% sanitary.
I wish we were as well-prepared in other areas, as we are in Sanitation and Comms :)
I always hope that being in the top 5% prepared will be enough. If that is the case, then we are set. But we certainly have plenty of room for improvement, as do most people. I don't spend 100% of my time on preparedness. Especially not lately. It's very much a part time thing now, as time allows. Mostly just getting my property in order, easier to maintain (=more time for other things), etc.
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I am not sure if I understand the purpose of this questionnaire but we lived off grid for around 13 years. And we only had the property connected to the newly laid grid when we were taking a long time to sell. It turned out the buyer would have preferred not to have the power connected so we lost money on the deal. This was back in 1997.
At the time we lived on a river and pumped by waterwheel. Once built it cost nothing.
Who would need power to flush the toilet?
Now we have rainwater tanks with lovely clear water.
And we have discovered a spring on our block.
Nw the banks freezing out money might cause us worries, but we trust the God will not test us beyond what we are able.
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Ham Radios operate on 12V DC like a car battery or marine deep cycle battery would provide. Even when you're operating at home on-the-grid, you use a separate "power supply" which takes your 120V A/C mains power and turns it into 12V DC -- and that is plugged into your radio. But radios all run off 12V DC natively.
Some of our homes are 12/24VDC native, everything plugged into the inverter the exception to the rule ;)
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I'll probably die within a week
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How Long Can You Survive Off Grid?
Depends where one lives. If one lives in an apartment in the city in a cold climate, I think they'd freeze to death, or get eaten by someone with heat. If one lives in the a warm climate they'd be better off. If one lives in a rural environment with a warm climate they could do well.
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The Max-Max scenarios are not prophesied for those in a "state of grace." If that stuff ever happens, it will be during "the Day of Wrath" (not actually one day), and the Wrath, whatever it entails, is reserved for "the wicked" not "the just." As St. Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 5:9, "God hath not appointed us unto wrath, but unto the purchasing of salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ," The tribulation will be difficult for us, but God will provide for those doing His will.
Prepare spiritually first and foremost. Otherwise, be prepared for a bad winter storm or hurricane, something lasting six weeks at most should be sufficient.
Seeing how things are currently playing out. I think many of the unvaxxed will eventually be "locked-out" of society, unable to "live a normal life." I think this will be "the purification" and the "tribulation" through which we must persevere in prayer. It will be a time "in the wilderness" away from the enticements and distractions of the world. A time to bring those who love Him closer to God. Maybe this will be done in people's homes. Maybe in quarantine camps eventually. Whichever, it will not last more than 3.5 years.
Be not afraid. Our side wins.
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Some of our homes are 12/24VDC native, everything plugged into the inverter the exception to the rule ;)
That is one advantage of living in an RV -- but let's face it, there plenty of downsides... storage space for one, strong shelter for another. And how do you heat your home in a grid down scenario?
Also, do you have land (acreage) to park it on, or do you just rent from someone? Issues like security, sewage, water supply, etc. could be a problem.
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I'm not as prepared as I'd like to be, by any stretch of the imagination --- compact suburban patio home subdivision --- but here is what I've been able to do:
Estimated one-month supply of food and water (would have to be miserly with it, eat the frozen stuff first, for obvious reasons)
Four small solar panels in back of the house
Two solar batteries, one kept charged in the house with an inverter, the other connected to the panels, I rotate them
Two 12V to 120 volt inverters, not heavy-duty, but serviceable for very basic needs
2-meter ham radio transceiver (handheld, Baofeng, better than nothing)
Eight guns and lots of ammo, .22LR, 9mm, .38 Special, enough for barter
Two serious air rifles, one .177, one .22
Hot climate making heat needs minimal, even in winter, we wouldn't freeze to death, plenty of warm clothes
All computer files backed up twice, in Faraday-cage-type protective containers
Small amount of silver coins in small denominations, dimes and quarters, as well as a few half-dollars and silver dollars (again, better than nothing)
Soil for a small container garden (recycling this year's dirt with fertilizer and organic stuff, egg shells and so on)
Seeds would be a good idea
Two cars with gas tanks that are filled to the top whenever there is even a whisper of unavailability
Again, far from ideal, but better than urbanites in apartments with half-eaten containers of Chinese food in the refrigerator.
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Now we have rainwater tanks with lovely clear water.
And we have discovered a spring on our block.
It's really good that you have a spring on your block. May I ask about how you collect rainwater? I assume that you collect from your home's roof.
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We only relocated in January. We have always collected rainwater and always off the house roof.
In April we purchased a 3000 litre tank, and last week a 1150 litre tank which collects off the roof of the caravan shelter* which we also built this year.
*spare accomodation should family visit (unlikely) or should someone be in need (likely).
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That is one advantage of living in an RV -- but let's face it, there plenty of downsides... storage space for one, strong shelter for another. And how do you heat your home in a grid down scenario?
Also, do you have land (acreage) to park it on, or do you just rent from someone? Issues like security, sewage, water supply, etc. could be a problem.
My house is primarily DC appliances (if you can call them that lol... Don't have anything with that heavy of a draw) with some AC (my bank is LiFePo4 since you probably are interested in details like that) stuff that my wife uses. I have some electronics gear that I use with AC as well and there's no cleaner power than inverter power so thankfully I don't have to worry as much about my vintage electronics. I'm ten miles from nearest town of ~40 people, stream on property (house water is collected from roof into a cistern), it's treed so I can heat my house, no municipal utilities or anything. Elon Musk provides me internet. Life is good for now but that can change. Security is always the biggest issue. Anything can be overcome with numbers, even though the terrain is defensible and the neighbors are likeminded (unfortunately not Catholic).
We only relocated in January. We have always collected rainwater and always off the house roof.
In April we purchased a 3000 litre tank, and last week a 1150 litre tank which collects off the roof of the caravan shelter* which we also built this year.
*spare accomodation should family visit (unlikely) or should someone be in need (likely).
Very nice. I'm trying to upgrade my water storage as well. Water is so abundant until it isn't (seems so obvious but you never really have all the water you could possibly want). My problem is my stream is year round but not always accessible as I'd like, so for me a cistern upgrade would be good peace of mind in case I have a large group of people over or something :)
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I'm ten miles from nearest town of ~40 people, stream on property (house water is collected from roof into a cistern), it's treed so I can heat my house, no municipal utilities or anything. Elon Musk provides me internet. Life is good for now but that can change. Security is always the biggest issue. Anything can be overcome with numbers, even though the terrain is defensible and the neighbors are likeminded (unfortunately not Catholic).
Sounds like heaven to me.
We had no internet of course. Didn't even know it existed. We had only a shortwave radio for reception of news, not transmission. Same with neighbours - mostly new age hippies, escaped criminals or at least "alternative".
Very nice. I'm trying to upgrade my water storage as well. Water is so abundant until it isn't (seems so obvious but you never really have all the water you could possibly want). My problem is my stream is year round but not always accessible as I'd like, so for me a cistern upgrade would be good peace of mind in case I have a large group of people over or something :)
Our main source was our river frontage with all civilisation on the other side. We were cut off every year when it rained a lot. I loved it. The Peace! Yes water is abundant till it isn't. Our river dried up (or rather stopped flowing about ground) one year, which caused us to start praying the daily Rosary. :incense:
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Sounds like heaven to me.
We had no internet of course. Didn't even know it existed. We had only a shortwave radio for reception of news, not transmission. Same with neighbours - mostly new age hippies, escaped criminals or at least "alternative".
Our main source was our river frontage with all civilisation on the other side. We were cut off every year when it rained a lot. I loved it. The Peace! Yes water is abundant till it isn't. Our river dried up (or rather stopped flowing about ground) one year, which caused us to start praying the daily Rosary. :incense:
Problem is the drive to Mass... Other than that yes. Shortwave is still fun, hoping it gets opened up to amateur broadcasters legally at some point. I think the best way to put it is... Nobody is off grid who doesn't want to be.
Living off the grid does make you prayerful and exceedingly thankful for things most people would find silly... I never thought I'd pray for rain :cowboy:.
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We only relocated in January. We have always collected rainwater and always off the house roof.
In April we purchased a 3000 litre tank, and last week a 1150 litre tank which collects off the roof of the caravan shelter* which we also built this year.
*spare accomodation should family visit (unlikely) or should someone be in need (likely).
Is your roof metal? Does it collect in a gutter that feeds to the tank? I have a piece of property that doesn't have a well, and the neighbor's wells are about 600 - 700' deep, so it will be expensive to drill a well. There's a seasonal creek nearby that I could use for mixing cement, and we bring gallons of water for day use, and try to keep the few trees alive in the very hot summer. We have a small RV there, and I hope to build a cabin there, though I'll probably have to build it myself as my husband is not too keen on the idea.
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JuiceBox Gen 2
Instant Power 120V/12V rechargeable by portable solar panels.
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price is about 60% of the original price, uses LiFePO4 batteries
There's even a much smaller QRP model available: https://portableuniversalpower.com/store/Portable-Power-c69213189 (https://portableuniversalpower.com/store/Portable-Power-c69213189)
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JuiceBox Gen 2
Instant Power 120V/12V rechargeable by portable solar panels.
https://portableuniversalpower.com/store/JuiceBox-G2-p268380726/ (https://portableuniversalpower.com/store/JuiceBox-G2-p268380726/)
price is about 60% of the original price, uses LiFePO4 batteries
There's even a much smaller QRP model available: https://portableuniversalpower.com/store/Portable-Power-c69213189 (https://portableuniversalpower.com/store/Portable-Power-c69213189)
(https://d2j6dbq0eux0bg.cloudfront.net/images/42698217/1835188731.jpg)
With a metal can like that, completely sealed when closed, how is the electromagnetic pulse supposed to get in to fry all the electronics inside?
;)
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The Max-Max scenarios are not prophesied for those in a "state of grace." If that stuff ever happens, it will be during "the Day of Wrath" (not actually one day), and the Wrath, whatever it entails, is reserved for "the wicked" not "the just." As St. Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 5:9, "God hath not appointed us unto wrath, but unto the purchasing of salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ," The tribulation will be difficult for us, but God will provide for those doing His will.
Prepare spiritually first and foremost. Otherwise, be prepared for a bad winter storm or hurricane, something lasting six weeks at most should be sufficient.
Seeing how things are currently playing out. I think many of the unvaxxed will eventually be "locked-out" of society, unable to "live a normal life." I think this will be "the purification" and the "tribulation" through which we must persevere in prayer. It will be a time "in the wilderness" away from the enticements and distractions of the world. A time to bring those who love Him closer to God. Maybe this will be done in people's homes. Maybe in quarantine camps eventually. Whichever, it will not last more than 3.5 years.
Be not afraid. Our side wins.
This beautiful. Thanks for posting it Angelus. You are describing a kind of purgation such as contemplatives enter into voluntarily to provide merits for us who drag our heels.
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Sounds like heaven to me.
We had no internet of course. Didn't even know it existed. We had only a shortwave radio for reception of news, not transmission. Same with neighbours - mostly new age hippies, escaped criminals or at least "alternative".
Our main source was our river frontage with all civilisation on the other side. We were cut off every year when it rained a lot. I loved it. The Peace! Yes water is abundant till it isn't. Our river dried up (or rather stopped flowing about ground) one year, which caused us to start praying the daily Rosary. :incense:
Just out of curiosity, where was this?
My first thought is the Australian outback, but what you describe sounds more like Slab City in California. But they're not that far away from civilization, they're just intentionally distanced, on real estate that nobody else wants. And I'm not sure how prevalent the Rosary is there. I tend to think not much. There is an adjacent camp, which makes use of irreverence towards the Holy Name, where they will kill you for discarding cigarette butts improperly. They tell you so.
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Is your roof metal? Does it collect in a gutter that feeds to the tank? I have a piece of property that doesn't have a well, and the neighbor's wells are about 600 - 700' deep, so it will be expensive to drill a well. There's a seasonal creek nearby that I could use for mixing cement, and we bring gallons of water for day use, and try to keep the few trees alive in the very hot summer. We have a small RV there, and I hope to build a cabin there, though I'll probably have to build it myself as my husband is not too keen on the idea.
In just about every home we have lived in and in this present one we have have had corrugated galvanised iron roofs and yes, I don't know how else you would be able to collect water except from guttering and downpipe into the tank.
Do you collect from the creek and how, if you do?
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Just out of curiosity, where was this?
My first thought is the Australian outback, but what you describe sounds more like Slab City in California. But they're not that far away from civilization, they're just intentionally distanced, on real estate that nobody else wants. And I'm not sure how prevalent the Rosary is there. I tend to think not much. There is an adjacent camp, which makes use of irreverence towards the Holy Name, where they will kill you for discarding cigarette butts improperly. They tell you so.
Yes, it is Australian outback. Physically nothing like Slab City, which I had never heard of, and which seems to be far more commercial and more populated. It looks more like this - dry schlerophyll forest that I love. The tree on the right is ironbark, affectionately known as the widow tree, because it is very hard wood and when it drops its branches it has been known to kill
(https://i.imgur.com/aCtAQkb.jpg)
All residents live along the river. It was a tin mining area in the old days. I think you can probably see a house in the photo.
The description of the residents of Slab City would approximate that of the residents here.
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In just about every home we have lived in and in this present one we have have had corrugated galvanised iron roofs and yes, I don't know how else you would be able to collect water except from guttering and downpipe into the tank.
Do you collect from the creek and how, if you do?
Thanks for the info. We've filled up empty plastic gallon bottles with creek water for the trees, which can then be put in a wheelbarrow. We have only four trees, but shade is very much needed in the summer, so we don't want them to die. The creek went dry by July last summer. It gets diverted upstream for farmers. Quite a few dead carp in the dry creekbed - really stinky. The creek meanders through BLM land across the street. Some of the local ranchers graze their cattle on the land there.
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With a metal can like that, completely sealed when closed, how is the electromagnetic pulse supposed to get in to fry all the electronics inside?
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Just leave the lid cracked open a bit. :jester:
Actually I keep all my critical electronics Faraday'd.
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The WEF warned recently about bank accounts freezing.
We know they have a grid down cyber pandemic planned.
India, Austria, NY, Australia and elsewhere they are refusing shopping to those who refuse the gene editing plug and play tool kit shot.
And banking analyst made it clear in her recent interview with Planet Lockdown that we will either submit to the shot and get hooked up to the internet of things and mind control, or live off grid.
She gives some practical advice on how to get ready for that.
So if this were to happen tonight, how long would you and your family last?
Do you know 10 people within 10 miles? Have you talked with them on how to deal with this coming event? Could you organize a meeting with them real soon?
Do you have a nearby butcher, dairy, garden that you can barter with?
Is there a doctor or a nurse in your off grid community? How can you reach out to them in an emergency?
Do you have coins you can use for creating an off grid economy?
How will you communicate with each other? Do ham radios work without electricity?
Do you have a trustworthy Sheriff who will protect your clan or community?
Can you flush your toilet without electricity?
How long will your food and water last?
I know this is scary to face and normalcy bias makes us want to keep going as if all is fine, but it isn't.
Time is running out so we need to be like Noah and get our ark ready.
So lets face this and discuss strategies.
Thank you for posting this Miser, to get people thinking. I don't understand why anyone could think your post was in any way snarky. Also some don't seem to understand that, in the event of an EMP weapon, if the power grid goes down, some city water and sewage plants will shut down. For those people, toilets won't flush. Prepper sites have discussions on devices to prevent sewers backing up.
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That is one advantage of living in an RV -- but let's face it, there plenty of downsides... storage space for one, strong shelter for another. And how do you heat your home in a grid down scenario?
Also, do you have land (acreage) to park it on, or do you just rent from someone? Issues like security, sewage, water supply, etc. could be a problem.
An RV can be heated by a wood stove or those made from candles and clay pots. The main thing is to be very careful! When I lived in far north eastern New York State, lots of people had homemade wood stoves in trailer homes. You must make certain the smoke and gases vent sufficiently far away from the structure so as not to set it on fire, and there must be intake of fresh air to prevent CO2 poisoning. Every spring, the snow would melt to reveal the burnt out shells of trailers go up in flames, and every winter, some people would fail to show up when expected, only to be found dead in their beds. The same can happen in more substantial structures, but it’s less likely. In 1978, one of my history professors didn’t come to work or answer his phone. His ex-wife found him and their two children deceased of a CO2 leak in their bungalow. The dampers were sealed by soot and creosote and the place was sealed up with insulation. But the majority of people heated with wood and did just fine.
As for flushing toilets, you don’t need one. Use an outhouse. Water can be gotten from a spring, a river, (just boil it before ingesting), or a dug well in some locales. Handy men have built windmills to pump water. A rain catching system can lead to a basement cistern. Want to live really off-grid? Get hooked up with Swartzentruber or Nebraska Amish. I lived with the former, and within about three months, the adjustments became just normal to me, not a novelty.
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Thanks for the info. We've filled up empty plastic gallon bottles with creek water for the trees, which can then be put in a wheelbarrow. We have only four trees, but shade is very much needed in the summer, so we don't want them to die. The creek went dry by July last summer. It gets diverted upstream for farmers. Quite a few dead carp in the dry creekbed - really stinky. The creek meanders through BLM land across the street. Some of the local ranchers graze their cattle on the land there.
How about pumping water uphill. I don't understand the last comment about not using a fuel pump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqTsw0KK_FU
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Items for bartering are also helpful such as alcohol, cigarettes or chocolate.
I don't know about any of you, but my family is moving towards more and more cash transactions. I wish more would do so.
Recently, we went to the airport and parking could only be paid with a credit card. My solution to this was a pre-paid Visa gift card so as to help remain off-grid.
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Items for bartering are also helpful such as alcohol, cigarettes or chocolate.
Yes. Also what used to be called "junk silver," especially dimes and quarters.
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Yes. Also what used to be called "junk silver," especially dimes and quarters.
Just for perspective, with silver at $22.37/troy oz this moment, the silver content in a "junk" (pre-1964) dime is "worth" $1.63, quarter is "worth" $4.05, and half-dollar is "worth" $8.09.
I say "worth" in quotes because the barter value will be quite different depending upon circuмstances.
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Just for perspective, with silver at $22.37/troy oz this moment, the silver content in a "junk" (pre-1964) dime is "worth" $1.63, quarter is "worth" $4.05, and half-dollar is "worth" $8.09.
I say "worth" in quotes because the barter value will be quite different depending upon circuмstances.
The good news is that the "paper value" of silver (i.e. $22.37) is far lower than the actual/street value. Go try to buy silver coins for $23 and you'll pay quite a premium. Meaning = the "real value on the street" is higher than the paper/trading value, which is often manipulated.
Bottomline: If you're able to invest in silver coins, do so. It's the most undervalued asset on the planet. It's only going to go up. $40/oz is still a steal. Junk silver will be a little less in cost, but still worth it.
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War Nickels are the cheapest way to stack and have extremely low premiums. Also since they are 35% they are good "change", even moreso than later junk silver.
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Coins will go up in value the more they become scarce and they have machines at stores where you can turn them in for crypto.
Still, all of this, the coins, the ham radios or morse code etc. will only work if you have networked with other like minded people.
And considering gas will not be available people will need a network that is within walking distance.
It will be very hard to network after we are cut off.
The others in the like-minded non complying network will have to also have a ham radio, telegraph machine, and coins or other things for bartering.
Has anyone had meetings with others from their chapel to make plans?
This will be the tricky part because people will be encouraged to snitch on others.
The other thing to consider is bug out bags and living in the forest for a time. One would need to know how to forage.
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And considering gas will not be available people will need a network that is within walking distance.
Converting food waste into cooking gas | Sustainable Energy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJV_nnmYios
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The other thing to consider is bug out bags and living in the forest for a time. One would need to know how to forage.
Know your “weeds”. Portulaca oleracea is delicious in a salad and fat hen cooks up as spinach.
How to Forage Free Food in Your Own Backyard! - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbMMMpaOfNU
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Know your “weeds”. Portulaca oleracea is delicious in a salad and fat hen cooks up as spinach.
How to Forage Free Food in Your Own Backyard! - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbMMMpaOfNU
What a great video, Nadir!
We should watch as much as we can while we still can.
After that is gone, it would be good to have a book with some clear photos on hand.
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What a great video, Nadir!
We should watch as much as we can while we still can.
After that is gone, it would be good to have a book with some clear photos on hand.
Yes, I thought is was good. But what we really need to do is get out and practice. You can't do it from videos and books. Start yesterday. ;)