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Re: How Long Can You Survive Off Grid?
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2021, 10:31:09 PM »
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  • Sounds like heaven to me.
    We had no internet of course. Didn't even know it existed. We had only a shortwave radio for reception of news, not transmission. Same with neighbours - mostly new age hippies, escaped criminals or at least "alternative".

    Our main source was our river frontage with all civilisation on the other side. We were cut off every year when it rained a lot. I loved it. The Peace! Yes water is abundant till it isn't. Our river dried up (or rather stopped flowing about ground) one year, which caused us to start praying the daily Rosary. :incense:
    Problem is the drive to Mass... Other than that yes. Shortwave is still fun, hoping it gets opened up to amateur broadcasters legally at some point.  I think the best way to put it is... Nobody is off grid who doesn't want to be.

    Living off the grid does make you prayerful and exceedingly thankful for things most people would find silly... I never thought I'd pray for rain :cowboy:.
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    Re: How Long Can You Survive Off Grid?
    « Reply #16 on: November 30, 2021, 11:29:19 PM »
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  • We only relocated in January. We have always collected rainwater and always off the house roof.

    In April we purchased a 3000 litre tank, and last week a 1150 litre tank which collects off the roof of the caravan shelter* which we also built this year.

    *spare accomodation should family visit (unlikely) or should someone be in need (likely).

    Is your roof metal? Does it collect in a gutter that feeds to the tank? I have a piece of property that doesn't have a well, and the neighbor's wells are about 600 - 700' deep, so it will be expensive to drill a well. There's a seasonal creek nearby that I could use for mixing cement, and we bring gallons of water for day use, and try to keep the few trees alive in the very hot summer. We have a small RV there, and I hope to build a cabin there, though I'll probably have to build it myself as my husband is not too keen on the idea. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: How Long Can You Survive Off Grid?
    « Reply #17 on: December 01, 2021, 12:12:21 AM »
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    Re: How Long Can You Survive Off Grid?
    « Reply #18 on: December 01, 2021, 12:47:46 AM »
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    Re: How Long Can You Survive Off Grid?
    « Reply #19 on: December 01, 2021, 01:00:28 AM »
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  • The Max-Max scenarios are not prophesied for those in a "state of grace." If that stuff ever happens, it will be during "the Day of Wrath" (not actually one day), and the Wrath, whatever it entails, is reserved for "the wicked" not "the just." As St. Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 5:9, "God hath not appointed us unto wrath, but unto the purchasing of salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ," The tribulation will be difficult for us, but God will provide for those doing His will.

    Prepare spiritually first and foremost. Otherwise, be prepared for a bad winter storm or hurricane, something lasting six weeks at most should be sufficient.

    Seeing how things are currently playing out. I think many of the unvaxxed will eventually be "locked-out" of society, unable to "live a normal life." I think this will be "the purification" and the "tribulation" through which we must persevere in prayer. It will be a time "in the wilderness" away from the enticements and distractions of the world. A time to bring those who love Him closer to God. Maybe this will be done in people's homes. Maybe in quarantine camps eventually. Whichever, it will not last more than 3.5 years.

    Be not afraid. Our side wins.


    This beautiful. Thanks for posting it Angelus.  You are describing a kind of purgation such as contemplatives enter into voluntarily to provide merits for us who drag our heels. 
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    Re: How Long Can You Survive Off Grid?
    « Reply #20 on: December 01, 2021, 02:26:30 AM »
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  • Sounds like heaven to me.
    We had no internet of course. Didn't even know it existed. We had only a shortwave radio for reception of news, not transmission. Same with neighbours - mostly new age hippies, escaped criminals or at least "alternative".

    Our main source was our river frontage with all civilisation on the other side. We were cut off every year when it rained a lot. I loved it. The Peace! Yes water is abundant till it isn't. Our river dried up (or rather stopped flowing about ground) one year, which caused us to start praying the daily Rosary. :incense:
    Just out of curiosity, where was this? 

    My first thought is the Australian outback, but what you describe sounds more like Slab City in California.  But they're not that far away from civilization, they're just intentionally distanced, on real estate that nobody else wants.  And I'm not sure how prevalent the Rosary is there.  I tend to think not much.  There is an adjacent camp, which makes use of irreverence towards the Holy Name, where they will kill you for discarding cigarette butts improperly.  They tell you so.

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    Re: How Long Can You Survive Off Grid?
    « Reply #21 on: December 01, 2021, 02:44:40 AM »
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  • Is your roof metal? Does it collect in a gutter that feeds to the tank? I have a piece of property that doesn't have a well, and the neighbor's wells are about 600 - 700' deep, so it will be expensive to drill a well. There's a seasonal creek nearby that I could use for mixing cement, and we bring gallons of water for day use, and try to keep the few trees alive in the very hot summer. We have a small RV there, and I hope to build a cabin there, though I'll probably have to build it myself as my husband is not too keen on the idea.
    In just about every home we have lived in and in this present one we have have had corrugated galvanised iron roofs and yes, I don't know how else you would be able to collect water except from guttering and downpipe into the tank.

    Do you collect from the creek and how, if you do?
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: How Long Can You Survive Off Grid?
    « Reply #22 on: December 01, 2021, 05:20:27 AM »
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  • Just out of curiosity, where was this? 

    My first thought is the Australian outback, but what you describe sounds more like Slab City in California.  But they're not that far away from civilization, they're just intentionally distanced, on real estate that nobody else wants.  And I'm not sure how prevalent the Rosary is there.  I tend to think not much.  There is an adjacent camp, which makes use of irreverence towards the Holy Name, where they will kill you for discarding cigarette butts improperly.  They tell you so.
    Yes, it is Australian outback. Physically nothing like Slab City, which I had never heard of, and which seems to be far more commercial and more populated. It looks more like this - dry schlerophyll forest that I love. The tree on the right is ironbark, affectionately known as the widow tree, because it is very hard wood and when it drops its branches it has been known to kill

    All residents live along the river. It was a tin mining area in the old days. I think you can probably see a house in the photo.

    The description of the residents of Slab City would approximate that of the residents here.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: How Long Can You Survive Off Grid?
    « Reply #23 on: December 01, 2021, 09:26:28 AM »
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  • In just about every home we have lived in and in this present one we have have had corrugated galvanised iron roofs and yes, I don't know how else you would be able to collect water except from guttering and downpipe into the tank.

    Do you collect from the creek and how, if you do?

    Thanks for the info. We've filled up empty plastic gallon bottles with creek water for the trees, which can then be put in a wheelbarrow. We have only four trees, but shade is very much needed in the summer, so we don't want them to die. The creek went dry by July last summer. It gets diverted upstream for farmers. Quite a few dead carp in the dry creekbed - really stinky. The creek meanders through BLM land across the street. Some of the local ranchers graze their cattle on the land there.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: How Long Can You Survive Off Grid?
    « Reply #24 on: December 01, 2021, 10:29:49 AM »
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  • With a metal can like that, completely sealed when closed, how is the electromagnetic pulse supposed to get in to fry all the electronics inside?
    ;)
    Just leave the lid cracked open a bit. :jester:

    Actually I keep all my critical electronics Faraday'd.

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    Re: How Long Can You Survive Off Grid?
    « Reply #25 on: December 01, 2021, 06:15:21 PM »
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  • The WEF warned recently about bank accounts freezing.

    We know they have a grid down cyber pandemic planned.

    India, Austria, NY, Australia and elsewhere they are refusing shopping to those who refuse the gene editing plug and play tool kit shot.

    And banking analyst made it clear in her recent interview with Planet Lockdown that we will either submit to the shot and get hooked up to the internet of things and mind control, or live off grid.

    She gives some practical advice on how to get ready for that.

    So if this were to happen tonight, how long would you and your family last?

    Do you know 10 people within 10 miles?  Have you talked with them on how to deal with this coming event?  Could you organize a meeting with them real soon?

    Do you have a nearby butcher, dairy, garden that you can barter with?

    Is there a doctor or a nurse in your off grid community?  How can you reach out to them in an emergency?

    Do you have coins you can use for creating an off grid economy?

    How will you communicate with each other?  Do ham radios work without electricity?

    Do you have a trustworthy Sheriff who will protect your clan or community?

    Can you flush your toilet without electricity?

    How long will your food and water last?

    I know this is scary to face and normalcy bias makes us want to keep going as if all is fine, but it isn't.

    Time is running out so we need to be like Noah and get our ark ready.

    So lets face this and discuss strategies.
    Thank you for posting this Miser, to get people thinking. I don't understand why anyone could think your post was in any way snarky. Also some don't seem to understand that, in the event of an EMP weapon, if the power grid goes down, some city water and sewage plants will shut down. For those people, toilets won't flush. Prepper sites have discussions on devices to prevent sewers backing up.

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    Re: How Long Can You Survive Off Grid?
    « Reply #26 on: December 01, 2021, 08:52:48 PM »
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  • That is one advantage of living in an RV -- but let's face it, there plenty of downsides... storage space for one, strong shelter for another. And how do you heat your home in a grid down scenario?

    Also, do you have land (acreage) to park it on, or do you just rent from someone? Issues like security, sewage, water supply, etc. could be a problem.
    An RV can be heated by a wood stove or those made from candles and clay pots.  The main thing is to be very careful!  When I lived in far north eastern New York State, lots of people had homemade wood stoves in trailer homes.  You must make certain the smoke and gases vent sufficiently far away from the structure so as not to set it on fire, and there must be intake of fresh air to prevent CO2 poisoning.  Every spring, the snow would melt to reveal the burnt out shells of trailers go up in flames, and every winter, some people would fail to show up when expected, only to be found dead in their beds.  The same can happen in more substantial structures, but it’s less likely.  In 1978, one of my history professors didn’t come to work or answer his phone.  His ex-wife found him and their two children deceased of a CO2 leak in their bungalow.  The dampers were sealed by soot and creosote and the place was sealed up with insulation.  But the majority of people heated with wood and did just fine.  
    As for flushing toilets, you don’t need one.  Use an outhouse.  Water can be gotten from a spring, a river, (just boil it before ingesting), or a dug well in some locales.  Handy men have built windmills to pump water.  A rain catching system can lead to a basement cistern.  Want to live really off-grid?  Get hooked up with Swartzentruber or Nebraska Amish.  I lived with the former, and within about three months, the adjustments became just normal to me, not a novelty.  

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    Re: How Long Can You Survive Off Grid?
    « Reply #27 on: December 01, 2021, 10:51:27 PM »
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  • Thanks for the info. We've filled up empty plastic gallon bottles with creek water for the trees, which can then be put in a wheelbarrow. We have only four trees, but shade is very much needed in the summer, so we don't want them to die. The creek went dry by July last summer. It gets diverted upstream for farmers. Quite a few dead carp in the dry creekbed - really stinky. The creek meanders through BLM land across the street. Some of the local ranchers graze their cattle on the land there.
    How about pumping water uphill. I don't understand the last comment about not using a fuel pump.

    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: How Long Can You Survive Off Grid?
    « Reply #28 on: December 02, 2021, 05:09:18 AM »
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  • Items for bartering are also helpful such as alcohol, cigarettes or chocolate. 

    I don't know about any of you, but my family is moving towards more and more cash transactions. I wish more would do so.
    Recently, we went to the airport and parking could only be paid with a credit card. My solution to this was a pre-paid Visa gift card so as to help remain off-grid. 

    I am He who is- you are she who is not.

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    Re: How Long Can You Survive Off Grid?
    « Reply #29 on: December 02, 2021, 04:24:29 PM »
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  • Items for bartering are also helpful such as alcohol, cigarettes or chocolate.

    Yes. Also what used to be called "junk silver," especially dimes and quarters.
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