Author Topic: Mosin-Nagant (Read 32941 times)

Diego · « **Reply #90 on:** April 30, 2012, 05:52:34 AM »

Full auto turns your firearm from an accurate point weapon into a "cone of fire" area weapon. There are times when doctrine demands saturation of the "beaten zone," (riots, "human wave," room clearing, etc.) but, as Brainglitch said, it is very wasteful. Consider that even 3-round burst mode turns your 30-rd magazine into a virtual 10-round magazine. You can also destroy a barrel in a hurry.

brainglitch · « **Reply #91 on:** April 30, 2012, 09:34:59 AM »

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There are times when doctrine demands saturation of the "beaten zone," (riots, "human wave," room clearing, etc.)

True, but "cone of fire" only really applies to heavier machine guns, as opposed to assault rifles. If you're doing room clearing, or you really want to scare the crap out of a mob, use a 12 gauge shotgun. 25 shell cyclical mag and a Knox stock and you're in business, and the bad guys are very much out of business.

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Consider that even 3-round burst mode turns your 30-rd magazine into a virtual 10-round magazine. You can also destroy a barrel in a hurry.

Exactly, and barrel destruction gets worse if you're using an AK that is already surplus and has probably seen a fair amount of action.

Diego · « **Reply #92 on:** May 02, 2012, 07:53:55 PM »

Anybody do any long range precision shooting?

Diego · « **Reply #93 on:** May 05, 2012, 08:37:11 AM »

An interesting development to tame .50 BMG recoil:
http://www.mcmfamily.com/mcmillan-rifles-tactical-tac-50-a1-r2.php

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #94 on:** May 05, 2012, 09:52:21 PM »

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Anybody do any long range precision shooting?

Just now trying to get into that.

Longest range around here is only 200 yds though.

I am looking at a Savage 10 series in .308.

Allegedly able to hit 12" plate at 1000 yds out of the box with a mediocre scope.

Antony · « **Reply #95 on:** July 29, 2012, 10:10:32 PM »

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I've been doing a lot of research on guns lately. This looks like an excellent deal for a very decent functioning, reliable, proven, and economical gun. They go for $99 bucks everywhere around here, as they've been re-arsenaled. What do you think for an extra gun to have for a buddy?

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This guy has an excellent video covering the gun and its functionality:

Well, let's just say I know a little about them. For the price, they are not bad and shoot a pretty good sized round. However, I often have trouble with the bolt itself, both when I am trying to get a round into the chamber and then when I try to eject the same round. I would say, though, go for it. For the price its not a bad gun. Then again, its not a great gun either. You may get one that has a better functioning bolt.

Diego · « **Reply #96 on:** July 29, 2012, 11:37:58 PM »

May I suggest that buyers define their mission and budget before deciding a weapon is suitable?

Diego · « **Reply #97 on:** July 30, 2012, 12:01:38 AM »

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Quote from: Diego
Anybody do any long range precision shooting?

Just now trying to get into that.

Longest range around here is only 200 yds though.

I am looking at a Savage 10 series in .308.

Allegedly able to hit 12" plate at 1000 yds out of the box with a mediocre scope.

Not just a suitable rifle, but a diverse set of honed skills and ancillary equipment is necessary to accomplish LR (Long Range, 500-1,000 yds) and ELR (Extreme Long Range, >1,000 yds) hits. After many years of other shooting disciplines, I recently entered the LR/ELR niche and I am again a babe in the woods. Much to learn, but that is part of the attraction. One of my new tutors opined, "Accuracy is addictive—and expensive."

If you too are interested, I recommend these books and websites for starters:

Rifle Accuracy Facts by Harold Vaughan
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1931220077/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1931220077&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

Applied Ballistics For Long-Range Shooting, 2nd Edition by Bryan Litz
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0615452566/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0615452566&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

http://www.6mmbr.com/index.html (excellent product reviews and articles)

http://www.snipershide.com (don't miss the forum)

Be forewarned that you'll be sharing bandwidth with some good men, but also some bloodthirsty reprobates.

Diego · « **Reply #98 on:** July 30, 2012, 12:23:16 AM »

Seraphim, I forgot to ask, "What Savage 10 model are you considering?"

Notwithstanding my earlier gratuitous criticisms against Savage (meant only to aggravate that arrogant and now-banned "John Chrysostom" jerk), the Savage 10 is a fine rifle. One of my mentors loaned me his customized Savage while my competition rifle was in the shop for upgrades. It certainly outshot my current LR skill set (our nearby range reaches 800+ yds).

That said, if you are serious about LR/ELR the Remington 700 is ubiquitous, used rifles in good condition are quite affordable, and after market upgrades and services are legion—IMHO giving it the edge.

Diego · « **Reply #99 on:** December 06, 2012, 01:54:59 PM »

Bryan Litz's new book Accuracy and Precision for Long Range Shooting: A Practical Guide for Riflemen is now available:
http://appliedballisticsllc.com/book2.html