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Offline Clemens Maria

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Re: Eye Doctor
« Reply #60 on: February 06, 2022, 08:27:33 PM »
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  • Seriously.

    Try to enter our property under your conditions.

    Seriously.
    You can't invite me onto your property and then commit crimes against me.  You acknowledged that earlier.  So you are OK, with masking.  I'm not.  I think it is a crime.  It's not safe.  Even the original purpose of surgical masks is called into question by studies that found that they are ineffective at preventing even bacterial infection of wounds.  So, no, they don't protect you.  So, yeah, I have no problem setting the condition that you don't try to commit a crime against me while I'm on your property.  And the courts would agree with me on that.  Obviously there is no law on the books that mask requirements are unlawful but I think there should be.  I hope LoT will find a nearby doctor who will agree to see him without a mask.  But if he ends up driving to FL, I'm not going to try shame him about burdening his family.  You guys wear masks and that's why you have no sympathy for LoT.  I don't wear masks.  Sorry to see you imagining doing violence against me, Mark.

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    Re: Eye Doctor
    « Reply #61 on: February 06, 2022, 08:36:02 PM »
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  • You can't invite me onto your property and then commit crimes against me.  You acknowledged that earlier.  So you are OK, with masking.  I'm not.  I think it is a crime.  It's not safe.

    Did any eye doctor invite you onto his property? Or did he tell you that folks without masks aren't welcome?
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    Re: Eye Doctor
    « Reply #62 on: February 06, 2022, 08:51:33 PM »
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  • Did any eye doctor invite you onto his property? Or did he tell you that folks without masks aren't welcome?
    Yes, he did.  When a doctor hangs a sign outside his office and invites the public to partake of his services, he is inviting people on to his property.  If he wants to invite the public on to his property, he shouldn't be permitted to require them to wear masks.  If he doesn't want maskless people on his property, he can close his business.

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    Re: Eye Doctor
    « Reply #63 on: February 06, 2022, 08:57:25 PM »
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  • Yes, he did.  When a doctor hangs a sign outside his office and invites the public to partake of his services, he is inviting people on to his property.  If he wants to invite the public on to his property, he shouldn't be permitted to require them to wear masks.  If he doesn't want maskless people on his property, he can close his business.


    You think that "masking is a crime". But I don't. People wear masks for whatever adaequate or less adaequate reasons, and neither I, nor you, nor the state has any right or duty to interfere in private businesses. LastTradhican wears a mask when using a leaf blower. Should he be persecuted for doing that, just because some think that that might prejudicate his health?

    A doctor invites people who follow some well known, and more rarely some less well known rules. Everybody knows this.
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    Re: Eye Doctor
    « Reply #64 on: February 06, 2022, 08:59:13 PM »
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  • You think that "masking is a crime". But I don't. People wear masks for whatever adaequate or less adaequate reasons, and neither I, nor you, nor the state has any right or duty to interfere in private businesses. LastTradhican wears a mask when using a leaf blower. Should he be persecuted for doing that, just because some think that that might prejudicate his health?
    No, I don't think masking is a crime.  I think mask requirements are a crime.


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    Re: Eye Doctor
    « Reply #65 on: February 06, 2022, 09:01:36 PM »
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  • No, I don't think masking is a crime.  I think mask requirements are a crime.

    I quoted what you said.

    I think you're a criminal just like the state. The state requires masks, and if you were the state, you would prohibit masks. The crime is the same: that's none of the state's business.
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    Re: Eye Doctor
    « Reply #66 on: February 06, 2022, 09:03:25 PM »
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  • I quoted what you said.

    I think you're a criminal just like the state. The state requires masks, and if you were the state, you would prohibit masks. The crime is the same: that's none of the state's business.
    Is English your native language?  How do I get across to you that I'm not for prohibiting masks.  I don't think masking is a crime.  Requiring masks is a crime.  Or should be.

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    Re: Eye Doctor
    « Reply #67 on: February 06, 2022, 09:07:30 PM »
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  • How do guys who are pretending to be champions of private property and liberty come down on the side of the people who are trying to restrict liberty and violate not just private property but even the bodies of other people?


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    Re: Eye Doctor
    « Reply #68 on: February 06, 2022, 09:10:10 PM »
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  • Is English your native language?  How do I get across to you that I'm not for prohibiting masks.  I don't think masking is a crime.  Requiring masks is a crime.  Or should be.

    I wrote "you would prohibit masks", but I meant "you would prohibit private mask requirements". Sorry.

    Please, give me a second try:

    I think you're a criminal just like the state. The state requires masks, and if you were the state, you would prohibit private mask requirements. The crime is the same: that's none of the state's business.
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    Re: Eye Doctor
    « Reply #69 on: February 06, 2022, 09:13:34 PM »
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  • It's a safe bet that everyone who is advocating for the communist mask mandates has already caved and is wearing masks whenever it would be an inconvenience for them to fight back.  So you have to justify that somehow.  I guess you just blow it off as the property owner's rights.  Meanwhile the communists laugh at you.  They don't laugh at the people who are fighting back.

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    Re: Eye Doctor
    « Reply #70 on: February 06, 2022, 09:16:16 PM »
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  • How do guys who are pretending to be champions of private property and liberty come down on the side of the people who are trying to restrict liberty and violate not just private property but even the bodies of other people?


    You say "the people". There's a huge difference between the state violating rights for all, and a doctor or other businessman setting up rules for his business.
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    Re: Eye Doctor
    « Reply #71 on: February 06, 2022, 09:32:35 PM »
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  • It's a safe bet that everyone who is advocating for the communist mask mandates has already caved and is wearing masks whenever it would be an inconvenience for them to fight back.  So you have to justify that somehow.  I guess you just blow it off as the property owner's rights.  Meanwhile the communists laugh at you.  They don't laugh at the people who are fighting back.

    I didn't ever wear a mask so far, but yes, as the case might be, I'd wear a mask. I am not a social justice warrior seeing any binding duty to "fight back" against the God given governments. They obviously are a punishment of the Lord. And I don't think that the Lord will free us from that plague, if only we "fight back". That's earthly/fleshly thinking.

    That meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church. (Dei Filius)

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    Re: Eye Doctor
    « Reply #72 on: February 06, 2022, 11:31:25 PM »
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  • How do guys who are pretending to be champions of private property and liberty come down on the side of the people who are trying to restrict liberty and violate not just private property but even the bodies of other people?

    We are coming down on YOUR side, the right YOU have to do what YOU want on YOUR own property unless you commit crimes. As long as you break no laws, you can be both king and court fool on YOUR property, but NOT on my property or on the property of the eye doctor.

    If we come onto YOUR property and "violate your body," tie a mask on YOUR face, YOU are welcome to use the law or just force against us.

    You have NO right to free medical care, NO right medical care dictated on your terms, and NO right to command the labor or property of anyone as chattel slaves.

    We are not worshipping "liberty." We are respecting the same private property rights and free will recognized by the Magisterium. …but, of course, we are just "pretending." :laugh2:

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    Re: Eye Doctor
    « Reply #73 on: February 07, 2022, 04:37:17 AM »
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  • I am curious how you know that no local eye doctor will see you.
    Do you ring for appointment and the receptionist tells you up front before she will make the appointment?
    Or do you ask her if mask wearing is necessary?

    Here is my recent experience. Last week I has to go to the optometrist. Before going I went to the supermarket. I was waiting for it to open and a couple of elderly ladies reluctantly moved up so I could sit down. I am visibly disabled. They tell me the "law" says two bodies to a bench.

    Anyway we got chatting and I attempted to enlighten them that they don't have to wear masks. They weren't buying it. But the more pleasant (least suspicious) of the two related how she had gone to the optometrist (the same one I was booked for) and he had said to her "For goodness sake take off that mask. It's causing your glasses to fog". This gave some reassurance, as I admit that I was wary of having a disagreement.
    As I approached the door there was a big sign say in to effect of "don't enter without a mask." I ignored the sign and entered. There was a similar sign stuck on the desk and so I stood a little away from that sign and told my name and appointment time.

    Everyone was most kind and helpful. No-one battered an eyelid. I saw the optometrist who made no comment nor protest though he was wearing a mask. The good news is that I do not need new glasses.

    So what is your story, Lover of Truth?
    Do you really need an eye doctor or would an optometrist be sufficient? That would give you more options.

    Personally, I would just make an appointment and turn up. Do you really believe that the doctor will kick you out or are you at the mercy of an upstart receptionist?
    I just went 2 days ago for eye exam and the bold tells my same story.
    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: Eye Doctor
    « Reply #74 on: February 07, 2022, 07:09:17 AM »
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  • Whatever floats your boat.
    anne  this is a very vulgar and crude statement, one you should never use, as it refers to the male anatomy.