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Offline Mark 79

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Re: Eye Doctor
« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2022, 11:37:58 PM »
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  • This is why the WEF controllers are establishing a "public-private partnership" so they can have it both ways.  It's not really traditional communism but Stakeholder Capitalism.  It's stealthy and incremental.  Death by a thousand cuts.

    Yes, two heads of Satan's snake.

    They are incrementally imposing fake government mandates and then back off and come at us through the private sector by providing financial incentives and fines to businesses to entice them to comply.  Back and forth they will go, throttling the masses to comply.

    Yes, two heads of Satan's snake.

    Either way we are facing unjust laws, "mandates", "rules", "policies" etc. to conduct necessary business (BUY FOOD and GET MEDICAL CARE) in order to survive.

    Yes, it will get much worse. Every Catholic will decide how to respond.

    Private property rights are important but they do not trump all other rights with carte blanche for every kind of injustice in society.

    So, bake a wedding cake for fαɢɢօts.

    As for the FLCCC they are anti science.

    I have no "right" to force you to love FLCCCA. You are perfectly free to believe and express privately any non-criminal idiocy you choose.

    They are promoting the wearing of masks, social distancing, and early treatment for "Covid 19".  What exactly is Covid 19?  WHO THE HELL KNOWS? 

    I know. COVID-19 is a bioweapon. The mRNA "vaccines" are bioweapons.

    No one can say.

    Actually… _I_ "just said." :jester:


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    Re: Eye Doctor
    « Reply #31 on: February 06, 2022, 12:01:09 AM »
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  • We've observed that muzzle-wearing on rare occasions isn't problematic so long as however you do it makes an UNAMBIGUOUS MOCKERY of the compliance exercise. For example, we've been doing what another poster here suggested since the "beginning", which is to cut out the back layer and middle paper from those cheap blue muzzles, with which people can clearly see your features through..
    Mine also have clearly written with a sharpie:
    STUPID
    SHEEP
    MUZZLE
    (If you do the inscription, pull open the folds so it lays flat)
    In fact, this often has had a much more profound effect than altercation (especially when children see it), and believe me, I've done both- Frequently.
    Back in grade school boys would wear t-shirts saying, "I'm with stupid." Nobody else except the boys wearing the t-shirts thought they were "cool." The ones wearing the t-shirts tended to also be the ones to wear t-shirts saying, "My parents went to Hawaii, and all they got me was this dumb t-shirt."

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    Re: Eye Doctor
    « Reply #32 on: February 06, 2022, 12:04:45 AM »
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    So, bake a wedding cake for fαɢɢօts.


    Cakes are not essential for survival.

    Food and medical care is and therefore has different legal provisions.


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    They are promoting the wearing of masks, social distancing, and early treatment for "Covid 19".  What exactly is Covid 19?  WHO THE HELL KNOWS?

    I know. COVID-19 is a bioweapon.


    Great.  Do you have a test for that bioweapon?

    None that has been proven by actual science.

    The powers that shouldn't be tell us they have a test.  We have to obey whatever their "early detection" and track and trace geofencing protocols include.  FLCCC promoting these goals is extremely dubious to say the least.

    I don't know what happened to you Mark.  There are many possibilities, and I'm sorry for your suffering, but it doesn't change the facts.

    Advising healthy, asymptomatic people to social distance, mask and submit to early treatment protocols for a disease that has never been actually identified and is statistically harmless to virtually the entire population is part of the Great Reset financial overhaul into a surveillance state we should want no part of.

    This is especially clear when we consider that the thousands of annual flu deaths were rebranded as "Covid 19".

    The globalists want completely isolated individuals connected to the metaverse.

    This is primarily a financial reset.

    The goal is moving society into a 24/7 surveillance state.

    Don't trust anyone advancing these goals even if they say a few things that tickle your ears.

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    Re: Eye Doctor
    « Reply #33 on: February 06, 2022, 12:35:49 AM »
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  • Cakes are not essential for survival.

    Food and medical care is and therefore has different legal provisions.


    Is the eye doctor doing anything illegal?


    You are welcome to believe or disbelieve anything you want about COVID or the non-existence of COVID.

    I won't be baited into a re-hash of the deniers' positions.

    I will say this. I have been an activist since my childhood letters to Congress and have participated in many organizations (with others here known to you) and have even run for state office (unsuccessfully), so I have a very good grip on organizational dynamics.

    In any political or professional organization there is a spectrum of opinion. That spectrum gets distilled into a "platform" or action plan that is not identical to the precise positions of every single participant on every single issue. Nobody gets everything they want.

    That's life and that's FLCCCA.

    Of necessity, some of FLCCCA's protocols (e.g., masks, herbs, and pharmaceuticals) are a compromise. Notwithstanding any differences of opinions among FLCCCA members, every one of them, even those with whom I disagree about masks and monoclonal antibodies, has risked their livelihoods and careers by "going public" to help others.

    Here's my wager…

    I wager that any random FLCCCA member, bar none, has helped more people than you have.

    'nuff said.


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    Re: Eye Doctor
    « Reply #34 on: February 06, 2022, 12:41:41 AM »
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  • No, it is not reasonable for the reasons I outlined in my previous post.  Maybe if you backed your assertion up with some facts, you might be able to change minds.

    But in case you think it is just a few crazy trads who are opposed to mask mandates, you might want to read the following:

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/02/illinois-judge-bars-schools-enforcing-mask-mandates-says-now-null-void/

    Again, mask mandates, whether implemented by governments or by private businesses are not reasonable requests.  And those who refuse to comply with unreasonable requests are not the ones who are wasting people's valuable time.  It is the one's imposing unreasonable, dangerous and unhealthy requirements on the rest of us who are guilty.

    Also, someone above implied that a business owner could require people to take all the clothes off in order to buy groceries.  No, you are wrong.  If you tried something like that you would be arrested.  We don't live in a libertarian or anarchist society.  We have community standards.  Requiring people to strip for groceries is very blatant and no one would tolerate that.  But masks are obviously not as blatant.  But it is still unreasonable to require masks.  In fact, for some people, mask wearing is extremely dangerous even risking death.  But even for those of us who could tolerate wearing a mask, it is still risky.  It might be less risky than say breathing in toxic dust but if you aren't in a dangerous environment, mask wearing should not be done.  But the current mask requirements have an additional angle that no one has discussed so far.  They are symbolic of submission to the communist regime.  Some of us are very sensitive to that aspect of it.  Personally, I would rather undergo great suffering than submit to a communist regime.  So there's that too.  LoT can make his own decisions.  No one is going to judge him if he wears a mask to get his eyes checked out.  But he has every right to make an appointment and not expect that the doctor is going to require him to wear a mask that doesn't even achieve its stated purpose.
    I gave plenty of examples in my original post to the OP. You are in close personal space of the eye doctor, and he's in your close personal space. To explain it clearly, I even said, "within kissing distance." NORMAL PEOPLE only allow others into this close personal space for a GOOD REASON. Eg. Eye care. Otherwise, normally only a spouse or children or other loved ones or very close personal friends are going to be "allowed" into that space.

    If someone has a cold and is hacking and sneezing all over, do you get up in their face? Probably not. Parents of small children know full well how snotty their little ones can get if they are sick and/or have runny noses, but that doesn't mean you, Joe Blow wants to be picking them up and cuddling them, and if you do, you will probably wash your hands.

    So if an eye doctor wants you to wear a mask so he doesn't have to smell your garlic bread breath or have someone 
    accidentally spit on him while talking to him, what's the big deal? SARS-Cov2 is a Respiratory virus that is spread through *airborne droplets* that are transmitted from talking, sneezing, coughing singing, etc. (You can research what you like about it, I don't have the time or the energy to do everyone's homework for them).

    I also indicated in my first post to you that eye doctors are "regulated professionals." We are talking about HEALTH CARE here. I bolded the part in your post about "community standards." Why? Because HEALTH CARE also needs to have Standards of Care. You don't want people walking around the stores without clothing on? Well, there needs to be minimum Standards in health care. If you go to an eye doctor in Florida, you can be reasonably certain you will receive similar care as in Idaho. How does this happen? Because of State and Federal Legislation that monitor training, cleanliness, competencies and so on. Each healthcare professional will have a "Scope of Practice." You can research that yourself also if you wish.

    Masks have been part of health care since the 1800's, if not earlier. (I'm not going to drag out all my textbooks either--look it up if you want the exact date). There are various purposes, types and reasons for them, and this includes reducing infections. If the eye doctor is a regulated professional, then *he has to follow certain regulations* in order to practice, period. The eye doctor himself is likely NOT the one asking for masks to be worn in his office--it will almost always be coming from his Licensing Body making it a *uniform requirement.*

    Without Standards of Care, you run the risk of some kid off the street doing eye exams and possibly hurting people. That's one example of many things that could go wrong. Without "Community Standards," you will have people showing up to do grocery shopping in the nude. 

    Requiring masks for healthcare is ENTIRELY DIFFERENT than "requiring" masks to do grocery shopping. There is higher risk of the patient and healthcare professional getting sick by being in closer contact than there is from a person going grocery shopping. However, the more a person is exposed to other people, the higher the risk of infection becomes. With certain diseases, (especially airborne ones, for example), many people can get sick VERY quickly, and with short, or repeated exposures. 

    Some diseases have varying "incubation periods." You could be feeling fine, but 2 days prior you came in contact with a fellow that is sick with TB, say. (Or SARS-Cov2 :-) This is what would be called "asymptomatic." You feel fine, because you aren't yet showing symptoms--symptoms are subjective items of being unwell--fatigue, aches, etc. Signs, are OBJECTIVE, and are measurable things like a fever, cough, sputum, red face, etc. You will most likely start to feel unwell AFTER being exposed to someone that is sick. That is where contact tracing comes in. Where did you get sick, perhaps? Well, you went to work with 100 people, and then went grocery shopping in a store of 50 people, and so on. Contact tracing works to identify what stage of the disease process is in play for each person EXPOSED to the illness (TB, etc.)

    Are you putting some of the pieces together? 

    There is a time and a place for masks, and there are various types of masks for different purposes. They have LIMITED use in public settings, but that doesn't mean they are useless. Much of the problems with masks, is that 99% of the public will not know how to use and wear them properly nor discard them, because they haven't been properly taught methods of infection control, proper handwashing, and clean technique, etc. So for the vast public, they can do more harm than good, because people keep touching them, etc.

    Health care professionals have been trained in their use. If you don't want to go to an eye doctor that requires a mask, then good luck. But then don't come back and complain if you go to a restaurant and find hair in your food because the cook forgot his hair net that day and the manager didn't enforce the "STANDARD," that is "REASONABLE," for food production services. Masks and hairnets are both in the same type of category of infection protection items for simplicity sake.

    OVERREACH OF GOVT. is an entirely separate issue that has NOTHING to do with mask wearing, and has nothing to do with your statement about whether or not I think it's just "crazy Trads" objecting to them, or however you phrased it. Keep the issues straight. There are multiple ones that have NOTHING to do with "Communism" and everything to do with providing High-quality and safe, competent healthcare.

    Masks in healthcare aren't going anywhere, so sorry to disappoint people.
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    Re: Eye Doctor
    « Reply #35 on: February 06, 2022, 12:55:36 AM »
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    Is the eye doctor doing anything illegal?


    Yes he is.  See the Peggy Hall videos to learn more on that.  Or not, if it's not your "hill".




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    You are welcome to believe or disbelieve anything you want about COVID or the non-existence of COVID.

    I believe there are both bioweapons and there is 5G technology which is affecting a small portion of the population (so far anyway). 

     I also believe hundreds of thousands of people die from the flu just like they did every year before 2020 unnoticed.

    There are no tests for "Covid 19" or any variants thereof.

    I think it's great that the FLCCC has helped people get well.

    That doesn't nullify the other dubious information they are spreading.

    People should know about both.

    People need to know the "red flags" to look for.

    "Early detection" and all the measures to isolate people and track and trace is a huge red flag people should be aware of.

    That is the main component to ushering in the Great Reset 4th Industrial Revolution and move everyone on to a blockchain tokenized economy in virtual reality and augmented reality.

    Why else would our dear friends at the Federal Reserve in February of 2020 promote the very same thing?

    Does the Federal Reserve care about our health?

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    Re: Eye Doctor
    « Reply #36 on: February 06, 2022, 01:01:58 AM »
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  • My wager still stands.

    :cowboy:

    Nighty night.

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    Re: Eye Doctor
    « Reply #37 on: February 06, 2022, 01:02:23 AM »
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  • I gave plenty of examples in my original post to the OP. You are in close personal space of the eye doctor, and he's in your close personal space. To explain it clearly, I even said, "within kissing distance." NORMAL PEOPLE only allow others into this close personal space for a GOOD REASON. Eg. Eye care. Otherwise, normally only a spouse or children or other loved ones or very close personal friends are going to be "allowed" into that space.

    If someone has a cold and is hacking and sneezing all over, do you get up in their face? Probably not. Parents of small children know full well how snotty their little ones can get if they are sick and/or have runny noses, but that doesn't mean you, Joe Blow wants to be picking them up and cuddling them, and if you do, you will probably wash your hands.

    So if an eye doctor wants you to wear a mask so he doesn't have to smell your garlic bread breath or have someone
    accidentally spit on him while talking to him, what's the big deal? SARS-Cov2 is a Respiratory virus that is spread through *airborne droplets* that are transmitted from talking, sneezing, coughing singing, etc. (You can research what you like about it, I don't have the time or the energy to do everyone's homework for them).

    I also indicated in my first post to you that eye doctors are "regulated professionals." We are talking about HEALTH CARE here. I bolded the part in your post about "community standards." Why? Because HEALTH CARE also needs to have Standards of Care. You don't want people walking around the stores without clothing on? Well, there needs to be minimum Standards in health care. If you go to an eye doctor in Florida, you can be reasonably certain you will receive similar care as in Idaho. How does this happen? Because of State and Federal Legislation that monitor training, cleanliness, competencies and so on. Each healthcare professional will have a "Scope of Practice." You can research that yourself also if you wish.

    Masks have been part of health care since the 1800's, if not earlier. (I'm not going to drag out all my textbooks either--look it up if you want the exact date). There are various purposes, types and reasons for them, and this includes reducing infections. If the eye doctor is a regulated professional, then *he has to follow certain regulations* in order to practice, period. The eye doctor himself is likely NOT the one asking for masks to be worn in his office--it will almost always be coming from his Licensing Body making it a *uniform requirement.*

    Without Standards of Care, you run the risk of some kid off the street doing eye exams and possibly hurting people. That's one example of many things that could go wrong. Without "Community Standards," you will have people showing up to do grocery shopping in the nude.

    Requiring masks for healthcare is ENTIRELY DIFFERENT than "requiring" masks to do grocery shopping. There is higher risk of the patient and healthcare professional getting sick by being in closer contact than there is from a person going grocery shopping. However, the more a person is exposed to other people, the higher the risk of infection becomes. With certain diseases, (especially airborne ones, for example), many people can get sick VERY quickly, and with short, or repeated exposures.

    Some diseases have varying "incubation periods." You could be feeling fine, but 2 days prior you came in contact with a fellow that is sick with TB, say. (Or SARS-Cov2 :-) This is what would be called "asymptomatic." You feel fine, because you aren't yet showing symptoms--symptoms are subjective items of being unwell--fatigue, aches, etc. Signs, are OBJECTIVE, and are measurable things like a fever, cough, sputum, red face, etc. You will most likely start to feel unwell AFTER being exposed to someone that is sick. That is where contact tracing comes in. Where did you get sick, perhaps? Well, you went to work with 100 people, and then went grocery shopping in a store of 50 people, and so on. Contact tracing works to identify what stage of the disease process is in play for each person EXPOSED to the illness (TB, etc.)

    Are you putting some of the pieces together?

    There is a time and a place for masks, and there are various types of masks for different purposes. They have LIMITED use in public settings, but that doesn't mean they are useless. Much of the problems with masks, is that 99% of the public will not know how to use and wear them properly nor discard them, because they haven't been properly taught methods of infection control, proper handwashing, and clean technique, etc. So for the vast public, they can do more harm than good, because people keep touching them, etc.

    Health care professionals have been trained in their use. If you don't want to go to an eye doctor that requires a mask, then good luck. But then don't come back and complain if you go to a restaurant and find hair in your food because the cook forgot his hair net that day and the manager didn't enforce the "STANDARD," that is "REASONABLE," for food production services. Masks and hairnets are both in the same type of category of infection protection items for simplicity sake.

    OVERREACH OF GOVT. is an entirely separate issue that has NOTHING to do with mask wearing, and has nothing to do with your statement about whether or not I think it's just "crazy Trads" objecting to them, or however you phrased it. Keep the issues straight. There are multiple ones that have NOTHING to do with "Communism" and everything to do with providing High-quality and safe, competent healthcare.

    Masks in healthcare aren't going anywhere, so sorry to disappoint people.


    Anne, there are over 50 peer reviewed studies you can find at pubmed to show that masks are harmful and not helpful.  This was even shown to be true during the Spanish Flu and Fauci himself was named on that study.

    There is no virus that has been isolated, purified and identified to cause any kind of pandemic and there are not enough dead bodies to equate to any kind of pandemic.

    Surgeons only wear masks to avoid drooling into their patients and they follow strict protocols for removing and replacing them.

    Masks of every kind are not effective in stopping any kind of virus from going through or around.

    If someone in the healthcare industry wants to ignore the science and wear a mask to protect themselves then they should go ahead and do so.

    There is NO SCIENTIFIC reason and no legal right for them to require others to do so.

    The same applies at the grocery store and everywhere else.

    Paranoid people who refuse to acknowledge science should wear two, three or four masks of every type they feel comfortable with.

    Knock yourself out and play pretend but don't expect others to "pretend" with you.

    There is no sane reason to require other people to do so.


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    Re: Eye Doctor
    « Reply #38 on: February 06, 2022, 01:36:03 AM »
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  • We are talking about the doctor imposing his arbitrary opinions on us as a condition of providing service.  
    We don’t even know this until Lover of truth answers my question,
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    I am curious how you know that no local eye doctor will see you.
    Do you ring for appointment and the receptionist tells you up front that you must wear a mask before she will make the appointment?
    Or do you ask her if mask wearing is necessary?
    Maybe it is just a matter of an officious who has taken it on herself.Is he making a mountain out of a molehill.

    often companies only put up a sign to keep themselves from danger from dobbers.
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    Re: Eye Doctor
    « Reply #39 on: February 06, 2022, 06:57:46 AM »
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  • Back in grade school boys would wear t-shirts saying, "I'm with stupid." Nobody else except the boys wearing the t-shirts thought they were "cool." The ones wearing the t-shirts tended to also be the ones to wear t-shirts saying, "My parents went to Hawaii, and all they got me was this dumb t-shirt."

    Whatever floats your boat.
    Aaand, it seems to have pushed a hot button on the board's new drama-queen as well..

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    « Reply #40 on: February 06, 2022, 07:00:41 AM »
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  • ...and everything to do with providing High-quality and safe, competent healthcare. ...

    More than a little irony in 2022 :facepalm:

    Find some "patients" for all these ventilators we have on hand...


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    Re: Eye Doctor
    « Reply #41 on: February 06, 2022, 09:28:53 AM »
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  • The mask the healthcare worker is wearing protects them so there is no need for the patient to wear one unless they want to feel protected (from spit, or bad breath, I guess).

    Just like a polio vaccine protects you- it doesn't protect the person next to you.

    Forcing a person to do something against his/her will is not moral.

    The Original Poster did not ask for a moral dissection of the post- he asked for contact information.
    "Does anyone know where in NW Virginia or anywhere closer to that than Florida their might be an eye doctor who will see us if we refuse to suffocate ourselves."
    I am He who is- you are she who is not.

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    Re: Eye Doctor
    « Reply #42 on: February 06, 2022, 11:26:41 AM »
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  • Anne, there are over 50 peer reviewed studies you can find at pubmed to show that masks are harmful and not helpful.

    Yeah, yeah ... we know all this.  That has little to do with the issue at hand.

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    Re: Eye Doctor
    « Reply #43 on: February 06, 2022, 11:38:12 AM »
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  • I agree with pretty much everything Miser Peccator is saying here.  I'll add that mask mandates are a crime.  They are abusive aggression.  If an eye doctor is worried about coming into close personal contact with a patient they can wear a mask and a faceshield like dental hygienists often do.  I take it that Mark and Ladislaus don't agree that a mask mandate is a crime (and should be recognized as such in our laws).  That should be the focal point of the discussion because the idea that property owners should be prevented from imposing mask mandates is not similar to forcing bakers to bake cakes for perverts.  Not even close.

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    Re: Eye Doctor
    « Reply #44 on: February 06, 2022, 11:59:25 AM »
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  • …Not even close.

    Argument by assertion.

    In the instances discussed, both cake-baking and mask wearing force private individuals to do what they do not want to do.

    "Not even close"?  Ha, ha, ha, the analogy is painfully close, so you just wave your magic wand and assert "not even close."


    :facepalm: