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Traditional Catholic Faith => The Catholic Bunker => Topic started by: Lover of Truth on February 04, 2022, 07:21:16 AM
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I'm sorry if this is off topic but I am trying to find help where I can get it. We don't mask and we cannot find an eye doctor that will take us. We have actually called down to Jacksonville Florida to see if they would take us and they would. It would be an 11 hour drive, non-stop, a stay at a hotel, appointment the next day, stay at the hotel and an 11 hour drive back plus the stops for eating and restroom, on a single income from a peon who could lose his job at any time because he won't get the inoculation.
Does anyone know where in NW Virginia or anywhere closer to that than Florida their might be an eye doctor who will see us if we refuse to suffocate ourselves.
I'm even open to getting a lawyer to help us if we can find one. Any advise, regarding eye doctors or lawyers would be very much appreciated.
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Since the beginning of the plandemic, that's now almost 2 years, I wore a mask once to vote in a primary and I almost did not go because of the mask mandate. I wore my fishing gator mask for like 3 minutes in total. A fishing gator is a cloth tube that is just to meant to keep the sun off one's face ears, and neck. It however is a mask, so they can't say anything.
That said, I wear N95 masks all the time when I am creating dust in sanding, mowing the lawn, blowing leaves etc., and special masks when using chemicals like 2 part isocyanate paints (deadly poisonous). I take them off during breaks to clean my face. I don't understand how people can volunteeringly wear a mask all day like it was a pair of paints or a shirt, breathing in their stink breath, sweat, and mold.
All of that said, if an eye doctor wants me to wear a mask that they provide while I am under his face, I would do it, it is no different than wearing a mask to blow leaves. If the operation takes hours, change the mask a few times, you are not paying for it. Go into the doctor's office with no mask and have them provide you with what they like. No big deal.
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Since the beginning of the plandemic, that's now almost 2 years, I wore a mask once to vote in a primary and I almost did not go because of the mask mandate. I wore my fishing gator mask for like 3 minutes in total. A fishing gator is a cloth tube that is just to meant to keep the sun off one's face ears, and neck. It however is a mask, so they can't say anything.
That said, I wear N95 masks all the time when I am creating dust in sanding, mowing the lawn, blowing leaves etc., and special masks when using chemicals like 2 part isocyanate paints (deadly poisonous). I take them off during breaks to clean my face. I don't understand how people can volunteeringly wear a mask all day like it was a pair of paints or a shirt, breathing in their stink breath, sweat, and mold.
All of that said, if an eye doctor wants me to wear a mask that they provide while I am under his face, I would do it, it is no different than wearing a mask to blow leaves. If the operation takes hours, change the mask a few times, you are not paying for it. Go into the doctor's office with no mask and have them provide you with what they like. No big deal.
agreed.
we made some face masks out of very thin but colorful material, which hang like belly-dancer face masks, and wear it under our nose. we can breathe easily.
i have seen others use the blue mask they give you, rip the guts of it out, leaving just the thin blue cover, tear the ear loops and tie them around their head, again hanging like a belly-dancer mask.
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There's nothing intrinsically immoral about wearing a mask. If you need to put on a mask to get medical care, then just put on the mask.
Technically a business could say, "we won't serve you unless you show up wearing a bowtie". I reject govenment mandates, but businesses are free to impose whatever restrictions they want to or else refuse service. You know the old "no shirt, no shoes, no service." Or a restaurant might required formal dress to eat there. I think you're giving this too much thought.
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I still have to wear a mask every day at work since I'm in a hospital. And our idiot governor extended mandates for our county in public places AGAIN.
Annoying and kind of superstitious?Absolutely. Immoral? No.
It's not like they're asking to you take the jab at the door.
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YOU HAVE MEDICAL RIGHTS
“You are protected by a PATIENT’S BILL OF RIGHTS. You do not have to submit to any medical treatments, including wearing a mask, testing or vaccines.”
~ Peggy Hall
https://www.thehealthyamerican.org/medical-rights
OSHA SAYS YOU ARE EXEMPT FROM TESTING and MASKS -- Peggy to the Rescue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1pq_5bBoqM
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Good for you, Lover of Truth, for standing your ground.
Do not comply with illegal communist "mandates" which are not law!
An unjust "mandate" is no law at all.
"No shoes, no shirt, no service" is not the same thing.
Masks are a medical intervention proven in numerous peer reviewed studies to be harmful and not helpful.
People have religious and medical rights under the law which override any mask "mandates" or "policy" which are not laws.
It is illegal for businesses to require them.
If people had learned the law and fought the masks things might not have gotten as far as they have with other things.
They counted on our ignorance and cowardice.
This lady got the illegal mask "mandates" removed in Orange County, CA and has helped thousands of people across the country fight back.
There is information at her site on how to win in court as well.
Here is more information
"NO SHOES, NO SHIRT, NO MASK, NO SERVICE??" Peggy Hall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boQRmWvrvew&t=5s
Interview with Peggy Hall "No Emergency Suspends The Law" - Is "No Mask" a policy or a choice?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGDCs0DUE6k
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I can hear my late mother's voice in my ear: "Don't cut off your nose to spite your face."
There are hills on which to die. This isn't one of them.
If you need eye care, get it. If you don't need it, stay home.
What's a lawyer going to do? Charge you for trying to force the doctor to be a slave to your demands?
He has as much right to decide what to do in his office as you have a right to do what you want in your home or place of business.
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He has as much right to decide what to do in his office as you have a right to do what you want in your place of business.
No business has the right to discriminate against people's federally protected religious and medical rights.
People have fought back and won the right to work, shop, get medical care without masks.
If you don't want to fight, don't.
There's no reason to stop somebody who does.
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No business has the right to discriminate against people's federally protected religious and medical rights.
People have fought back and won the right to work, shop, get medical care without masks.
If you don't want to fight, don't.
There's no reason to stop somebody who does.
Rubbish.
Freedom of Association allows persons and business owners to decide with whom they will and will not associate.
I hate the mandates against personal rights as much as I do тαℓмυdic lawfare against private property rights.
"Two wrongs don't make it right."
I'll fight BOTH evils.
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No business has the right to discriminate against people's federally protected religious and medical rights.
People have fought back and won the right to work, shop, get medical care without masks.
If you don't want to fight, don't.
There's no reason to stop somebody who does.
It's ridiculous to legally threaten a doctor who you trust to treat your eyes. Use some common sense.
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medical rights.…
A "right" is something you can do for yourself.
You have no "right" to force me or anyone to do anything for you. That's tyranny, slavery, not a "right."
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Well, under the law of our land people currently do not have to consent to any kind of medical experiments, including masking, testing or shots to access business services.
If people want to acquiesce to medical experiments that are known to be harmful and not helpful to ones health they are free to do so or they can legally refuse such inhumane treatment.
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I'm sorry if this is off topic but I am trying to find help where I can get it. We don't mask and we cannot find an eye doctor that will take us.
I am curious how you know that no local eye doctor will see you.
Do you ring for appointment and the receptionist tells you up front before she will make the appointment?
Or do you ask her if mask wearing is necessary?
Here is my recent experience. Last week I has to go to the optometrist. Before going I went to the supermarket. I was waiting for it to open and a couple of elderly ladies reluctantly moved up so I could sit down. I am visibly disabled. They tell me the "law" says two bodies to a bench.
Anyway we got chatting and I attempted to enlighten them that they don't have to wear masks. They weren't buying it. But the more pleasant (least suspicious) of the two related how she had gone to the optometrist (the same one I was booked for) and he had said to her "For goodness sake take off that mask. It's causing your glasses to fog". This gave some reassurance, as I admit that I was wary of having a disagreement.
As I approached the door there was a big sign say in to effect of "don't enter without a mask." I ignored the sign and entered. There was a similar sign stuck on the desk and so I stood a little away from that sign and told my name and appointment time.
Everyone was most kind and helpful. No-one battered an eyelid. I saw the optometrist who made no comment nor protest though he was wearing a mask. The good news is that I do not need new glasses.
So what is your story, Lover of Truth?
Do you really need an eye doctor or would an optometrist be sufficient? That would give you more options.
Personally, I would just make an appointment and turn up. Do you really believe that the doctor will kick you out or are you at the mercy of an upstart receptionist?
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I'm sorry if this is off topic but I am trying to find help where I can get it. We don't mask and we cannot find an eye doctor that will take us. We have actually called down to Jacksonville Florida to see if they would take us and they would. It would be an 11 hour drive, non-stop, a stay at a hotel, appointment the next day, stay at the hotel and an 11 hour drive back plus the stops for eating and restroom, on a single income from a peon who could lose his job at any time because he won't get the inoculation.
Does anyone know where in NW Virginia or anywhere closer to that than Florida their might be an eye doctor who will see us if we refuse to suffocate ourselves.
I'm even open to getting a lawyer to help us if we can find one. Any advise, regarding eye doctors or lawyers would be very much appreciated.
This is being scrupulous on steroids, in my opinion. If I asked you, "Can you afford to go on vacation right now?" What would you answer, yes or no? If you answered "yes," then why are you so worried about losing your job? Clearly money is not that much of a problem for you.
If your answer is, "no," then why is it that way? You are probably not rolling in dough. Even on a common-sense level, *does it make sense to drive all that way when you can find the same help right in your area?* It's not like you are going to visit a dying relative that you are never going to see again. If it were a dying relative, I'd say, have a safe trip.
You are wanting basic eye care for your family. It's also not like you are needing specialized brain surgery that can only be found in one part of the US in Jacksonville, Florida. In which case, of course it would make sense to go through all that hassle to get there!
The eye doctor is working in what is called "intimate" or personal space (usually within about 18" is a typical measurement). It is also known as "within kissing distance." Do you have children? You need to teach them about personal space and who is and who is not allowed within it, and why and when.
He or she is close enough to examine your eyes and smell what you had for lunch, and vice versa--you can also smell the breath. As a basic sign of respect, if for no other reason, BE HAPPY that he or she is wearing a mask, and wants you to wear one!
I worked for decades with people that had less-than-ideal personal hygiene--people that didn't brush their teeth twice a day, don't use dental floss, don't visit the dentist twice a year, smell bad, and so on, etc. There were many times I would have LOVED to throw them a mask so I didn't have to smell their alcohol breath, drug breath, bad breath, look at their gnarly teeth, and so on.
You don't need a lawyer. For what? If you don't trust someone to look after your eyes, then don't bother going to the eye doctor. An optometrist is different than an ophthalmologist, btw. The latter is an MD, the former is not. If you just need glasses, you just need an optometrist. If you need cataract surgery, then go for the specialist.
What if you need follow-up care? Are you going to go through all the 11 hour drive stuff each time *just to see that same person?* No? If not, why not?
I have to drive almost 4 hours return to visit my guy--I have had him for years, and it's worth continuing on with him and the hassle to get there for the every-2-years I see him. The closest person would be 60 minutes round-trip.
Find someone local, put on a mask for the short time you will be there, and offer it up if it really bothers you. And if you are wanting to go the extra-mile? Take all that money you were (ridiculously) prepared to spend on your day-trip to Florida, and have Masses said for something constructive--your family, the Holy Souls, etc.
And if you balk at that idea (of spending all that money on Masses)? Then I don't think you need to see an eye doctor, but another kind of doctor for your mind. That's how neurotic you come across to me. You are way-over-thinking things, but as you wish.
There is no sin in wearing a mask, and there is no sin in driving all that way to Florida if you want to. (And if it were me, I'd at least make it worthwhile and stay a few days and make it a mini-vacation, but that's beside the point). But for someone on the verge of losing his job? I would say that you are foolish for wasting that money that would be better spent saving it, or using it to feed and house your family. Common sense is missing.
Even if you had said, "We haven't had Mass in 6 months, so we are going to drive all that way to Florida, etc." I would say, "Wow, that's awesome! What a sacrifice!" But it's not for Mass. Do you currently drive all that way right now to attend Mass? If you say "But that's too far too drive!" Or, "We don't have to. We only have to drive 30 minutes, or whatever figure." Well, then, I rest my case. Like I said, you are being scrupulous on steroids.
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There's nothing intrinsically immoral about wearing a mask. If you need to put on a mask to get medical care, then just put on the mask.
Technically a business could say, "we won't serve you unless you show up wearing a bowtie". I reject govenment mandates, but businesses are free to impose whatever restrictions they want to or else refuse service. You know the old "no shirt, no shoes, no service." Or a restaurant might required formal dress to eat there. I think you're giving this too much thought.
I agree with Lads. You need to know when to pick your fights. Next week, I have to go to the eye doctor to renew my driver's license, and if I have to wear a mask to get this over with, I will.
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Being required to wear a mask is NOT the same thing as being required to wear a shirt. Can a supermarket owner require you to take off all your clothes (or worse) in order to buy food? No, of course not! He would go to jail for that. Requirements have to have some kind of reasonable basis. Requiring people to wear a shirt is reasonable and appropriate for our culture. Wearing a mask is not. A mask could be appropriate in certain situations but as a general requirement it is onerous, counter-productive, damaging to the mental health of not only the one wearing it but also to the health of those nearby who understandably are subject to fear. It also is responsible for a huge increase in delayed development of children. So it is not a reasonable request. It is a tool of communists who want to control the public. If more people refused to wear masks (like the Canadian truckers), this pandemic would be over in a flash. The first thing you can try is to make the appointment with the local eye doctor, and then show up without the mask and refuse to wear one. If he throws you out of the office, just walk out, don't argue or cause a scene. Try a few other local doctors. Sooner or later, you'll find one that isn't a lunatic.
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We've observed that muzzle-wearing on rare occasions isn't problematic so long as however you do it makes an UNAMBIGUOUS MOCKERY of the compliance exercise. For example, we've been doing what another poster here suggested since the "beginning", which is to cut out the back layer and middle paper from those cheap blue muzzles, with which people can clearly see your features through..
Mine also have clearly written with a sharpie:
STUPID
SHEEP
MUZZLE
(If you do the inscription, pull open the folds so it lays flat)
In fact, this often has had a much more profound effect than altercation (especially when children see it), and believe me, I've done both- Frequently.
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Being required to wear a mask is NOT the same thing as being required to wear a shirt. Can a supermarket owner require you to take off all your clothes (or worse) in order to buy food? No, of course not! He would go to jail for that. Requirements have to have some kind of reasonable basis. Requiring people to wear a shirt is reasonable and appropriate for our culture. Wearing a mask is not. A mask could be appropriate in certain situations but as a general requirement it is onerous, counter-productive, damaging to the mental health of not only the one wearing it but also to the health of those nearby who understandably are subject to fear. It also is responsible for a huge increase in delayed development of children. So it is not a reasonable request. It is a tool of communists who want to control the public. If more people refused to wear masks (like the Canadian truckers), this pandemic would be over in a flash. The first thing you can try is to make the appointment with the local eye doctor, and then show up without the mask and refuse to wear one. If he throws you out of the office, just walk out, don't argue or cause a scene. Try a few other local doctors. Sooner or later, you'll find one that isn't a lunatic.
You, and others here may not be aware of what are called "Regulated" or "Legislated" Professions in Healthcare. These are covered by State, or Federal Levels of Government in the USA and Provincial and Federal Levels of Government in Canada. These help ensure consistent and minimum Standards of Care are met, and that not just anyone can call themselves an "Optometrist" or "Eye Doctor" etc. Titles are protected by law.
Wearing a mask to an eye doctor or optometrist is perfectly reasonable.
Have you ever had to make an appointment with a professional such as a Medical Doctor? Have you been made aware of their cancellation and no-show policies? Do you show up on time, or do you just manipulate things according to whatever mood you are in?
Fortunately, the great majority of "appointment-based" service providers are aware of such terrible advice and time-wasters like you and are smart enough to either get a credit card to hold the appointment, or get insurance information before hand to prevent such scenarios as what you are trying to encourage.
So not only are you giving terrible advice, but you are showing that you don't value other people's time. With such high integrity, it won't be long before you and the fellow in the OP would blow through all the Eyecare professionals in WVA and beyond, and you both WILL have to drive to Florida to find anyone dumb enough to accomodate either of you. The only lunatic here is you and your lunatic advice.
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Well, under the law of our land people currently do not have to consent to any kind of medical experiments, including masking, testing or shots to access business services.
If people want to acquiesce to medical experiments that are known to be harmful and not helpful to ones health they are free to do so or they can legally refuse such inhumane treatment.
Look. I am totally on-board with all the above.
SO:
(1) Don't patronize those to whom you object (even eye doctors)
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(2) End ZOG's occupation of .gov.
BUT:
(3) Don't force other private people to serve your demands
EXCEPT: the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan that demonstrably must be controlled as any and all criminals need to be restrained and controlled.
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I'm sorry if this is off topic but I am trying to find help where I can get it. We don't mask and we cannot find an eye doctor that will take us. We have actually called down to Jacksonville Florida to see if they would take us and they would. It would be an 11 hour drive, non-stop, a stay at a hotel, appointment the next day, stay at the hotel and an 11 hour drive back plus the stops for eating and restroom, on a single income from a peon who could lose his job at any time because he won't get the inoculation.
Does anyone know where in NW Virginia or anywhere closer to that than Florida their might be an eye doctor who will see us if we refuse to suffocate ourselves.
I'm even open to getting a lawyer to help us if we can find one. Any advise, regarding eye doctors or lawyers would be very much appreciated.
I can give you an eye doctor closer to you that doesn't require a mask but it will still be a good drive. Send me a personal message and we can discuss.
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Being required to wear a mask is NOT the same thing as being required to wear a shirt. Can a supermarket owner require you to take off all your clothes (or worse) in order to buy food? No, of course not! He would go to jail for that.
Well, theoretically he could. If you don't want to take your clothes off, then you don't go to that particular grocery store. I'm sure there are many perverse types of businesses out there. Not that these are acceptable in a Christian / Catholic society. There are all kinds of gimmick businesses out there.
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When I've had contractors come over to do work on my house (plumbers, HVAC, etc.) when they show up wearing a mask I tell them they don't have to wear one if they don't want to. Most of them are relieved and immediately take them off. One HVAC guy said there was an old lady who insisted he wear a mask while fixing her AC unit OUTDOORS (while she was indoors). She watched him out he window to make sure he didn't take the mask off. Says he almost passed out from the heat. He was incredibly grateful that I told him he didn't have to wear one. Then I explain to them that the masks are useless. But I also tell them that if it makes them uncomfortable I would put on a mask. Some people are legitimately scared of COVID and think they are being subjected to a life-threatening situation. I'm not going to force that on them either from my bull pulpit. I'll take the opportunity to try to educate them, but I'm not going to subject them to mortal terror either simply because I have some "principle" to uphold.
There were a couple times that this led to conversations where we found out that we both had the same views about COVID being a hoax and I made friends with the handyman.
Unlike jabs, the masks are not inherently a moral issue. If there were a Catholic monarch who ordred that people wear masks because there was a real pandemic going around, I'd feel obligated to wear a mask. We have to be careful too much not to buy too much into the idea that we have all these "freedoms" and "rights" ... even if we use those as weapons to attck the evildoers.
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Wearing a mask to an eye doctor or optometrist is perfectly reasonable.
No, it is not reasonable for the reasons I outlined in my previous post. Maybe if you backed your assertion up with some facts, you might be able to change minds.
But in case you think it is just a few crazy trads who are opposed to mask mandates, you might want to read the following:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/02/illinois-judge-bars-schools-enforcing-mask-mandates-says-now-null-void/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/02/illinois-judge-bars-schools-enforcing-mask-mandates-says-now-null-void/)
Again, mask mandates, whether implemented by governments or by private businesses are not reasonable requests. And those who refuse to comply with unreasonable requests are not the ones who are wasting people's valuable time. It is the one's imposing unreasonable, dangerous and unhealthy requirements on the rest of us who are guilty.
Also, someone above implied that a business owner could require people to take all the clothes off in order to buy groceries. No, you are wrong. If you tried something like that you would be arrested. We don't live in a libertarian or anarchist society. We have community standards. Requiring people to strip for groceries is very blatant and no one would tolerate that. But masks are obviously not as blatant. But it is still unreasonable to require masks. In fact, for some people, mask wearing is extremely dangerous even risking death. But even for those of us who could tolerate wearing a mask, it is still risky. It might be less risky than say breathing in toxic dust but if you aren't in a dangerous environment, mask wearing should not be done. But the current mask requirements have an additional angle that no one has discussed so far. They are symbolic of submission to the communist regime. Some of us are very sensitive to that aspect of it. Personally, I would rather undergo great suffering than submit to a communist regime. So there's that too. LoT can make his own decisions. No one is going to judge him if he wears a mask to get his eyes checked out. But he has every right to make an appointment and not expect that the doctor is going to require him to wear a mask that doesn't even achieve its stated purpose.
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No, it is not reasonable for the reasons I outlined in my previous post. Maybe if you backed your assertion up with some facts, you might be able to change minds.
But in case you think it is just a few crazy trads who are opposed to mask mandates, you might want to read the following:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/02/illinois-judge-bars-schools-enforcing-mask-mandates-says-now-null-void/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/02/illinois-judge-bars-schools-enforcing-mask-mandates-says-now-null-void/)
Again, mask mandates, whether implemented by governments or by private businesses are not reasonable requests. And those who refuse to comply with unreasonable requests are not the ones who are wasting people's valuable time. It is the one's imposing unreasonable, dangerous and unhealthy requirements on the rest of us who are guilty.
Also, someone above implied that a business owner could require people to take all the clothes off in order to buy groceries. No, you are wrong. If you tried something like that you would be arrested. We don't live in a libertarian or anarchist society. We have community standards. Requiring people to strip for groceries is very blatant and no one would tolerate that. But masks are obviously not as blatant. But it is still unreasonable to require masks. In fact, for some people, mask wearing is extremely dangerous even risking death. But even for those of us who could tolerate wearing a mask, it is still risky. It might be less risky than say breathing in toxic dust but if you aren't in a dangerous environment, mask wearing should not be done. But the current mask requirements have an additional angle that no one has discussed so far. They are symbolic of submission to the communist regime. Some of us are very sensitive to that aspect of it. Personally, I would rather undergo great suffering than submit to a communist regime. So there's that too. LoT can make his own decisions. No one is going to judge him if he wears a mask to get his eyes checked out. But he has every right to make an appointment and not expect that the doctor is going to require him to wear a mask that doesn't even achieve its stated purpose.
Yes! to what I highlighted in your post above!
There is no medical reason for masks.
Just like in Islam they are a symbol.
They symbolize SUBMISSION.
They are a humiliation ritual.
They are a part of mass psychosis.
"Well, if they make somebody else feel better."
Somebody who is delusional feels better if I wear something?
So I should play along and pretend?
I should cover the image of God given to me to make them feel better?
Do children feel better living in a world where everyone pretends they'll die a sudden, horrible death if you don't wear a mask?
Certainly not. The psychological damage being done to them is a horror!
They are being led to believe that simply breathing is some kind of mortal sin!
Should I also call men "women"?
Some people are distressed and feel bad if I don't.
They want me to use their pronouns.
Should I call two men "married"?
Some hospitals require staff to wear rainbow pins for pride month.
Should they go along to make people feel better?
It could cost them their job.
Some people want me to call them a dog or a cat and "woof" or "meow" at them.
Should I refuse or go along to get along?
This is how communism works, Folks.
Choose your own line in the sand but don't dis those who refuse to comply and are willing to suffer for it.
Maybe you can't do it in your particular circuмstances but we should be grateful to those who have fought back and won.
Good for them!
Your line in the sand is coming right around the corner.
After all,
if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.
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Again, mask mandates, whether implemented by governments or by private businesses are not reasonable requests. …
It is not reasonable to expect any person to submit to your opinions.*
You can't "opt out" of .gov/.zog (yet!), so you only have two choices, submit or fight. I'm in favor of that fight and so I am fighting mandates and supporting FLCCCA.
You can "opt out" of private businesses. "Shop" elsewhere. No need to be a control freak and bend everyone to your will. If a businessman insists you wear mismatched Argyle socks or honk a clown horn to patronize his business, that his prerogative, not yours. It's not your business.
I would rather undergo great suffering than submit to a communist regime.
At the risk of being blunt, your insistence on bending private businesses to be controlled by your opinions is emblematic of communism. Your enraged control-freak approach (sorry to be blunt again) is antithetical to private property rights. Your insistence on controlling another man's private business epitomizes (((communism))).
*Your children or wife must submit to your orders, but you can not actually force them to submit to your opinions. You have no "right" to deny another's free will.
So I should play along and pretend?
No. Shop elsewhere.
Three of my specialists annoyed me about COVID and other vaccines. I cited the research against their nonsense firmly and politely (surprised, eh?) and never went back. I replaced those three specialists with three excellent doctors. Easy-peasey and I violated nobody's private property rights. I violated nobody's rights to be idiots.
As I said, there are hills to die on. Destroying private property rights like some Jєω Marxist should not be a Catholic's cause.
Fight .gov/.zog AND don't shop with idiots.
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Don't be like the fαɢɢօts who force private businesses to bake them cakes.
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You can "opt out" of private businesses. "Shop" elsewhere. No need to be a control freak and bend everyone to your will. If a businessman insists you wear mismatched Argyle socks or honk a clown horn to patronize his business, that his prerogative, not yours. It's not your business.
This isn't an anarchist country. We don't allow people absolute self-determination. So you are correct that I can't impose my arbitrary opinions on others. But that's not what we are talking about here. We are talking about the doctor imposing his arbitrary opinions on us as a condition of providing service. He does have the right to impose reasonable conditions on us. And he has fairly wide latitude in that regard. But he doesn't have an absolute right to impose any condition whatsoever that he fancies. The example I gave was requiring stripping clothes off. That actually could be reasonable if he is a GP or a dermatologist and he needs to examine your body to identify health issues. But an eye doctor couldn't have a general requirement for all patients to take off their clothes. We call that perversion and people will go to jail for that kind of behavior. Mask mandates are not that blatant. But they are still unreasonable. No one should be allowed to coerce us into covering up our faces for no good reason. So I'm pretty sure you are not advocating for decriminalizing perverse behavior (or what little of it is still considered criminal). But you apparently think that mask mandates by private individuals are fair game. I disagree. I don't care if the communist is a government or an individual.
At the risk of being blunt, your insistence on bending private businesses to be controlled by your opinions is emblematic of communism. Your enraged control-freak approach (sorry to be blunt again) is antithetical to private property rights. Your insistence on controlling another man's private business epitomizes (((communism))).
Three of my specialists annoyed me about COVID and other vaccines. I cited the research against their nonsense firmly and politely (surprised, eh?) and never went back. I replaced those three specialists with three excellent doctors. Easy-peasey and I violated nobody's private property rights. I violated nobody's rights to be idiots.
I see why Marion likes to get your goat. You like to build up straw men and then slay them. Good for you.
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It is not reasonable to expect any person to submit to your opinions.*
You can't "opt out" of .gov/.zog (yet!), so you only have two choices, submit or fight. I'm in favor of that fight and so I am fighting mandates and supporting FLCCCA.
You can "opt out" of private businesses. "Shop" elsewhere. No need to be a control freak and bend everyone to your will. If a businessman insists you wear mismatched Argyle socks or honk a clown horn to patronize his business, that his prerogative, not yours. It's not your business.
At the risk of being blunt, your insistence on bending private businesses to be controlled by your opinions is emblematic of communism. Your enraged control-freak approach (sorry to be blunt again) is antithetical to private property rights. Your insistence on controlling another man's private business epitomizes (((communism))).
*Your children or wife must submit to your orders, but you can not actually force them to submit to your opinions. You have no "right" to deny another's free will.
No. Shop elsewhere.
Three of my specialists annoyed me about COVID and other vaccines. I cited the research against their nonsense firmly and politely (surprised, eh?) and never went back. I replaced those three specialists with three excellent doctors. Easy-peasey and I violated nobody's private property rights. I violated nobody's rights to be idiots.
As I said, there are hills to die on. Destroying private property rights like some Jєω Marxist should not be a Catholic's cause.
Fight .gov/.zog AND don't shop with idiots.
This is why the WEF controllers are establishing a "public-private partnership" so they can have it both ways. It's not really traditional communism but Stakeholder Capitalism. It's stealthy and incremental. Death by a thousand cuts.
They are incrementally imposing fake government mandates and then back off and come at us through the private sector by providing financial incentives and fines to businesses to entice them to comply. Back and forth they will go, throttling the masses to comply.
Either way we are facing unjust laws, "mandates", "rules", "policies" etc. to conduct necessary business (BUY FOOD and GET MEDICAL CARE) in order to survive.
Private property rights are important but they do not trump all other rights with carte blanche for every kind of injustice in society.
As for the FLCCC they are anti science.
They are promoting the wearing of masks, social distancing, and early treatment for "Covid 19". What exactly is Covid 19? WHO THE HELL KNOWS? No one can say.
They have protocols for "Post Covid 19 exposure".
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? lol
Someone tested positive for something that has never been isolated and identified and you were around them???
There is no test. There is no identified virus.
Is it a cold, the flu, radiation from a 5G tower, graphene in the lungs from wearing a mask or taking a test up the nose or spraying the skies, the Omnicron, the MU, the son of MU.....join in the fun and the delusion!
One thing we know for sure-----it ain't a virus that anyone can identify!
Matthew has been posting about the people who go along with delusional practices because everyone else is doing it. Masks, "social distancing" and the diagnoses of Covid 19 are all examples of this mass delusional psychosis.
If you can go along with it and still look in the mirror then all right for you. I for one cannot.
"But FLCCC are the brave frontline doctors who are promoting Ivermectin for early treatment and probably want to make America Great Again so we support them with all our heart. They are on our side." smh
Truth mixed with lies.
Ivermectin can treat colds, flu, radiation, parasites, and other illnesses because it kills parasites and increases oxygen in the cells.
That's great but using it doesn't tell you that what you had was something called "Covid 19".
The more we play into their delusion the more power they have to control us through the electron microscope surveillance state. Trust the experts. They know if you're sick even if you have no symptoms. Don't breath. Don't go outside. Don't talk to a neighbor. You are a menace to society until they give you the green light.
If you have sniffles or a sore throat go straight to a "frontline doctor" who will give you Ivermectin. If you feel better it's clear you really had "Covid 19" and you can thank them for curing you. Thank goodness for "early detection".
In any case, when you can no longer buy food unless you submit to gene editing and provide your palm scan to prove it will you still support the "private property rights" of the grocery stores?
Clearly the only remnant to survive will have to become self sustaining and off grid in the strictest sense of the word.
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This isn't an anarchist country.
Straw man. I proposed no "anarchy," only asserted private property rights recognized in numerous pre-V2 papal encyclicals.
Was Pope Leo XIII an anarchist?
We don't allow people absolute self-determination.
Another straw man. I never proposed "absolute" self-determination.
So you are correct that I can't impose my arbitrary opinions on others. But that's not what we are talking about here. We are talking about the doctor imposing his arbitrary opinions on us as a condition of providing service.
The eye doctor has the right to paint his office any color and to insist on other non-criminal policies.
He does have the right to impose reasonable conditions on us.
He has the right to impose unreasonable non-criminal conditions.
And he has fairly wide latitude in that regard.
Yes, so wide a latitude that he can make unreasonable non-criminal conditions.
But he doesn't have an absolute right to impose any condition whatsoever that he fancies. The example I gave was requiring stripping clothes off.
If you offer such ridiculous examples, I respond with a ridiculous counter-example of a nudist eye doctor.
That actually could be reasonable if he is a GP or a dermatologist and he needs to examine your body to identify health issues.
Not at all reasonable.
But an eye doctor couldn't have a general requirement for all patients to take off their clothes. We call that perversion and people will go to jail for that kind of behavior.
I have previously clearly stated that you have no "right" to force others to your will. Forcing sex or nudism is among those things that you and the eye doctor have no "right" to insist.
I have specifically defended non-criminal requirements, even if they are idiotic (e.g., mismatched socks and clown horns).
Mask mandates are not that blatant. But they are still unreasonable.
Yes, unreasonable, unjustified by honest science. So what? As long as he is not forcing his will on you or committing a crime, he can be unreasonable.
You are free to choose the reasonable thing: Shop elsewhere.
No one should be allowed to coerce us into covering up our faces for no good reason.
Did someone strong arm you and force you to see the unreasonable idiot eye doctor?
Or do you have a choice to shop elsewhere?
So I'm pretty sure you are not advocating for decriminalizing perverse behavior (or what little of it is still considered criminal).
Thank you for crediting me with a token of good sense.
But you apparently think that mask mandates by private individuals are fair game.
What is "fair game"? Mask mandates are stupidly harmful. Are they legal? Yes. Do i avoid them when able? Yes.
I gave examples of avoiding idiots, "shopping elsewhere," changing doctors. Is it "fair game" to shop elsewhere. I think so.
I disagree. I don't care if the communist is a government or an individual.
If and when the private individual forces you to don a mask at the point of a gun or imprisonment, you'd have a point. As long as you have the right to shop elsewhere, you have no point.
I see why Marion likes to get your goat. You like to build up straw men and then slay them. Good for you.
What "straw man" have I offered?
I have simply stated that:
(1) regarding private businesses, you can shop elsewhere.
(2) Control-freaks and Communists seek to control private businesses.
_IF_ you think you should not be forced to bake a wedding cake for fαɢɢօts, you should also believe a private doctor should not be forced to allow you maskless in HIS office.
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This is why the WEF controllers are establishing a "public-private partnership" so they can have it both ways. It's not really traditional communism but Stakeholder Capitalism. It's stealthy and incremental. Death by a thousand cuts.
Yes, two heads of Satan's snake.
They are incrementally imposing fake government mandates and then back off and come at us through the private sector by providing financial incentives and fines to businesses to entice them to comply. Back and forth they will go, throttling the masses to comply.
Yes, two heads of Satan's snake.
Either way we are facing unjust laws, "mandates", "rules", "policies" etc. to conduct necessary business (BUY FOOD and GET MEDICAL CARE) in order to survive.
Yes, it will get much worse. Every Catholic will decide how to respond.
Private property rights are important but they do not trump all other rights with carte blanche for every kind of injustice in society.
So, bake a wedding cake for fαɢɢօts.
As for the FLCCC they are anti science.
I have no "right" to force you to love FLCCCA. You are perfectly free to believe and express privately any non-criminal idiocy you choose.
They are promoting the wearing of masks, social distancing, and early treatment for "Covid 19". What exactly is Covid 19? WHO THE HELL KNOWS?
I know. COVID-19 is a bioweapon. The mRNA "vaccines" are bioweapons.
No one can say.
Actually… _I_ "just said." :jester:
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We've observed that muzzle-wearing on rare occasions isn't problematic so long as however you do it makes an UNAMBIGUOUS MOCKERY of the compliance exercise. For example, we've been doing what another poster here suggested since the "beginning", which is to cut out the back layer and middle paper from those cheap blue muzzles, with which people can clearly see your features through..
Mine also have clearly written with a sharpie:
STUPID
SHEEP
MUZZLE
(If you do the inscription, pull open the folds so it lays flat)
In fact, this often has had a much more profound effect than altercation (especially when children see it), and believe me, I've done both- Frequently.
Back in grade school boys would wear t-shirts saying, "I'm with stupid." Nobody else except the boys wearing the t-shirts thought they were "cool." The ones wearing the t-shirts tended to also be the ones to wear t-shirts saying, "My parents went to Hawaii, and all they got me was this dumb t-shirt."
Whatever floats your boat.
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So, bake a wedding cake for fαɢɢօts.
Cakes are not essential for survival.
Food and medical care is and therefore has different legal provisions.
They are promoting the wearing of masks, social distancing, and early treatment for "Covid 19". What exactly is Covid 19? WHO THE HELL KNOWS?
I know. COVID-19 is a bioweapon.
Great. Do you have a test for that bioweapon?
None that has been proven by actual science.
The powers that shouldn't be tell us they have a test. We have to obey whatever their "early detection" and track and trace geofencing protocols include. FLCCC promoting these goals is extremely dubious to say the least.
I don't know what happened to you Mark. There are many possibilities, and I'm sorry for your suffering, but it doesn't change the facts.
Advising healthy, asymptomatic people to social distance, mask and submit to early treatment protocols for a disease that has never been actually identified and is statistically harmless to virtually the entire population is part of the Great Reset financial overhaul into a surveillance state we should want no part of.
This is especially clear when we consider that the thousands of annual flu deaths were rebranded as "Covid 19".
The globalists want completely isolated individuals connected to the metaverse.
This is primarily a financial reset.
The goal is moving society into a 24/7 surveillance state.
Don't trust anyone advancing these goals even if they say a few things that tickle your ears.
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Cakes are not essential for survival.
Food and medical care is and therefore has different legal provisions.
Is the eye doctor doing anything illegal?
You are welcome to believe or disbelieve anything you want about COVID or the non-existence of COVID.
I won't be baited into a re-hash of the deniers' positions.
I will say this. I have been an activist since my childhood letters to Congress and have participated in many organizations (with others here known to you) and have even run for state office (unsuccessfully), so I have a very good grip on organizational dynamics.
In any political or professional organization there is a spectrum of opinion. That spectrum gets distilled into a "platform" or action plan that is not identical to the precise positions of every single participant on every single issue. Nobody gets everything they want.
That's life and that's FLCCCA.
Of necessity, some of FLCCCA's protocols (e.g., masks, herbs, and pharmaceuticals) are a compromise. Notwithstanding any differences of opinions among FLCCCA members, every one of them, even those with whom I disagree about masks and monoclonal antibodies, has risked their livelihoods and careers by "going public" to help others.
Here's my wager…
I wager that any random FLCCCA member, bar none, has helped more people than you have.
'nuff said.
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No, it is not reasonable for the reasons I outlined in my previous post. Maybe if you backed your assertion up with some facts, you might be able to change minds.
But in case you think it is just a few crazy trads who are opposed to mask mandates, you might want to read the following:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/02/illinois-judge-bars-schools-enforcing-mask-mandates-says-now-null-void/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/02/illinois-judge-bars-schools-enforcing-mask-mandates-says-now-null-void/)
Again, mask mandates, whether implemented by governments or by private businesses are not reasonable requests. And those who refuse to comply with unreasonable requests are not the ones who are wasting people's valuable time. It is the one's imposing unreasonable, dangerous and unhealthy requirements on the rest of us who are guilty.
Also, someone above implied that a business owner could require people to take all the clothes off in order to buy groceries. No, you are wrong. If you tried something like that you would be arrested. We don't live in a libertarian or anarchist society. We have community standards. Requiring people to strip for groceries is very blatant and no one would tolerate that. But masks are obviously not as blatant. But it is still unreasonable to require masks. In fact, for some people, mask wearing is extremely dangerous even risking death. But even for those of us who could tolerate wearing a mask, it is still risky. It might be less risky than say breathing in toxic dust but if you aren't in a dangerous environment, mask wearing should not be done. But the current mask requirements have an additional angle that no one has discussed so far. They are symbolic of submission to the communist regime. Some of us are very sensitive to that aspect of it. Personally, I would rather undergo great suffering than submit to a communist regime. So there's that too. LoT can make his own decisions. No one is going to judge him if he wears a mask to get his eyes checked out. But he has every right to make an appointment and not expect that the doctor is going to require him to wear a mask that doesn't even achieve its stated purpose.
I gave plenty of examples in my original post to the OP. You are in close personal space of the eye doctor, and he's in your close personal space. To explain it clearly, I even said, "within kissing distance." NORMAL PEOPLE only allow others into this close personal space for a GOOD REASON. Eg. Eye care. Otherwise, normally only a spouse or children or other loved ones or very close personal friends are going to be "allowed" into that space.
If someone has a cold and is hacking and sneezing all over, do you get up in their face? Probably not. Parents of small children know full well how snotty their little ones can get if they are sick and/or have runny noses, but that doesn't mean you, Joe Blow wants to be picking them up and cuddling them, and if you do, you will probably wash your hands.
So if an eye doctor wants you to wear a mask so he doesn't have to smell your garlic bread breath or have someone
accidentally spit on him while talking to him, what's the big deal? SARS-Cov2 is a Respiratory virus that is spread through *airborne droplets* that are transmitted from talking, sneezing, coughing singing, etc. (You can research what you like about it, I don't have the time or the energy to do everyone's homework for them).
I also indicated in my first post to you that eye doctors are "regulated professionals." We are talking about HEALTH CARE here. I bolded the part in your post about "community standards." Why? Because HEALTH CARE also needs to have Standards of Care. You don't want people walking around the stores without clothing on? Well, there needs to be minimum Standards in health care. If you go to an eye doctor in Florida, you can be reasonably certain you will receive similar care as in Idaho. How does this happen? Because of State and Federal Legislation that monitor training, cleanliness, competencies and so on. Each healthcare professional will have a "Scope of Practice." You can research that yourself also if you wish.
Masks have been part of health care since the 1800's, if not earlier. (I'm not going to drag out all my textbooks either--look it up if you want the exact date). There are various purposes, types and reasons for them, and this includes reducing infections. If the eye doctor is a regulated professional, then *he has to follow certain regulations* in order to practice, period. The eye doctor himself is likely NOT the one asking for masks to be worn in his office--it will almost always be coming from his Licensing Body making it a *uniform requirement.*
Without Standards of Care, you run the risk of some kid off the street doing eye exams and possibly hurting people. That's one example of many things that could go wrong. Without "Community Standards," you will have people showing up to do grocery shopping in the nude.
Requiring masks for healthcare is ENTIRELY DIFFERENT than "requiring" masks to do grocery shopping. There is higher risk of the patient and healthcare professional getting sick by being in closer contact than there is from a person going grocery shopping. However, the more a person is exposed to other people, the higher the risk of infection becomes. With certain diseases, (especially airborne ones, for example), many people can get sick VERY quickly, and with short, or repeated exposures.
Some diseases have varying "incubation periods." You could be feeling fine, but 2 days prior you came in contact with a fellow that is sick with TB, say. (Or SARS-Cov2 :-) This is what would be called "asymptomatic." You feel fine, because you aren't yet showing symptoms--symptoms are subjective items of being unwell--fatigue, aches, etc. Signs, are OBJECTIVE, and are measurable things like a fever, cough, sputum, red face, etc. You will most likely start to feel unwell AFTER being exposed to someone that is sick. That is where contact tracing comes in. Where did you get sick, perhaps? Well, you went to work with 100 people, and then went grocery shopping in a store of 50 people, and so on. Contact tracing works to identify what stage of the disease process is in play for each person EXPOSED to the illness (TB, etc.)
Are you putting some of the pieces together?
There is a time and a place for masks, and there are various types of masks for different purposes. They have LIMITED use in public settings, but that doesn't mean they are useless. Much of the problems with masks, is that 99% of the public will not know how to use and wear them properly nor discard them, because they haven't been properly taught methods of infection control, proper handwashing, and clean technique, etc. So for the vast public, they can do more harm than good, because people keep touching them, etc.
Health care professionals have been trained in their use. If you don't want to go to an eye doctor that requires a mask, then good luck. But then don't come back and complain if you go to a restaurant and find hair in your food because the cook forgot his hair net that day and the manager didn't enforce the "STANDARD," that is "REASONABLE," for food production services. Masks and hairnets are both in the same type of category of infection protection items for simplicity sake.
OVERREACH OF GOVT. is an entirely separate issue that has NOTHING to do with mask wearing, and has nothing to do with your statement about whether or not I think it's just "crazy Trads" objecting to them, or however you phrased it. Keep the issues straight. There are multiple ones that have NOTHING to do with "Communism" and everything to do with providing High-quality and safe, competent healthcare.
Masks in healthcare aren't going anywhere, so sorry to disappoint people.
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Is the eye doctor doing anything illegal?
Yes he is. See the Peggy Hall videos to learn more on that. Or not, if it's not your "hill".
You are welcome to believe or disbelieve anything you want about COVID or the non-existence of COVID.
I believe there are both bioweapons and there is 5G technology which is affecting a small portion of the population (so far anyway).
I also believe hundreds of thousands of people die from the flu just like they did every year before 2020 unnoticed.
There are no tests for "Covid 19" or any variants thereof.
I think it's great that the FLCCC has helped people get well.
That doesn't nullify the other dubious information they are spreading.
People should know about both.
People need to know the "red flags" to look for.
"Early detection" and all the measures to isolate people and track and trace is a huge red flag people should be aware of.
That is the main component to ushering in the Great Reset 4th Industrial Revolution and move everyone on to a blockchain tokenized economy in virtual reality and augmented reality.
Why else would our dear friends at the Federal Reserve in February of 2020 promote the very same thing?
Does the Federal Reserve care about our health?
1 min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJMLSsyJ1N4
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My wager still stands.
:cowboy:
Nighty night.
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I gave plenty of examples in my original post to the OP. You are in close personal space of the eye doctor, and he's in your close personal space. To explain it clearly, I even said, "within kissing distance." NORMAL PEOPLE only allow others into this close personal space for a GOOD REASON. Eg. Eye care. Otherwise, normally only a spouse or children or other loved ones or very close personal friends are going to be "allowed" into that space.
If someone has a cold and is hacking and sneezing all over, do you get up in their face? Probably not. Parents of small children know full well how snotty their little ones can get if they are sick and/or have runny noses, but that doesn't mean you, Joe Blow wants to be picking them up and cuddling them, and if you do, you will probably wash your hands.
So if an eye doctor wants you to wear a mask so he doesn't have to smell your garlic bread breath or have someone
accidentally spit on him while talking to him, what's the big deal? SARS-Cov2 is a Respiratory virus that is spread through *airborne droplets* that are transmitted from talking, sneezing, coughing singing, etc. (You can research what you like about it, I don't have the time or the energy to do everyone's homework for them).
I also indicated in my first post to you that eye doctors are "regulated professionals." We are talking about HEALTH CARE here. I bolded the part in your post about "community standards." Why? Because HEALTH CARE also needs to have Standards of Care. You don't want people walking around the stores without clothing on? Well, there needs to be minimum Standards in health care. If you go to an eye doctor in Florida, you can be reasonably certain you will receive similar care as in Idaho. How does this happen? Because of State and Federal Legislation that monitor training, cleanliness, competencies and so on. Each healthcare professional will have a "Scope of Practice." You can research that yourself also if you wish.
Masks have been part of health care since the 1800's, if not earlier. (I'm not going to drag out all my textbooks either--look it up if you want the exact date). There are various purposes, types and reasons for them, and this includes reducing infections. If the eye doctor is a regulated professional, then *he has to follow certain regulations* in order to practice, period. The eye doctor himself is likely NOT the one asking for masks to be worn in his office--it will almost always be coming from his Licensing Body making it a *uniform requirement.*
Without Standards of Care, you run the risk of some kid off the street doing eye exams and possibly hurting people. That's one example of many things that could go wrong. Without "Community Standards," you will have people showing up to do grocery shopping in the nude.
Requiring masks for healthcare is ENTIRELY DIFFERENT than "requiring" masks to do grocery shopping. There is higher risk of the patient and healthcare professional getting sick by being in closer contact than there is from a person going grocery shopping. However, the more a person is exposed to other people, the higher the risk of infection becomes. With certain diseases, (especially airborne ones, for example), many people can get sick VERY quickly, and with short, or repeated exposures.
Some diseases have varying "incubation periods." You could be feeling fine, but 2 days prior you came in contact with a fellow that is sick with TB, say. (Or SARS-Cov2 :-) This is what would be called "asymptomatic." You feel fine, because you aren't yet showing symptoms--symptoms are subjective items of being unwell--fatigue, aches, etc. Signs, are OBJECTIVE, and are measurable things like a fever, cough, sputum, red face, etc. You will most likely start to feel unwell AFTER being exposed to someone that is sick. That is where contact tracing comes in. Where did you get sick, perhaps? Well, you went to work with 100 people, and then went grocery shopping in a store of 50 people, and so on. Contact tracing works to identify what stage of the disease process is in play for each person EXPOSED to the illness (TB, etc.)
Are you putting some of the pieces together?
There is a time and a place for masks, and there are various types of masks for different purposes. They have LIMITED use in public settings, but that doesn't mean they are useless. Much of the problems with masks, is that 99% of the public will not know how to use and wear them properly nor discard them, because they haven't been properly taught methods of infection control, proper handwashing, and clean technique, etc. So for the vast public, they can do more harm than good, because people keep touching them, etc.
Health care professionals have been trained in their use. If you don't want to go to an eye doctor that requires a mask, then good luck. But then don't come back and complain if you go to a restaurant and find hair in your food because the cook forgot his hair net that day and the manager didn't enforce the "STANDARD," that is "REASONABLE," for food production services. Masks and hairnets are both in the same type of category of infection protection items for simplicity sake.
OVERREACH OF GOVT. is an entirely separate issue that has NOTHING to do with mask wearing, and has nothing to do with your statement about whether or not I think it's just "crazy Trads" objecting to them, or however you phrased it. Keep the issues straight. There are multiple ones that have NOTHING to do with "Communism" and everything to do with providing High-quality and safe, competent healthcare.
Masks in healthcare aren't going anywhere, so sorry to disappoint people.
Anne, there are over 50 peer reviewed studies you can find at pubmed to show that masks are harmful and not helpful. This was even shown to be true during the Spanish Flu and Fauci himself was named on that study.
There is no virus that has been isolated, purified and identified to cause any kind of pandemic and there are not enough dead bodies to equate to any kind of pandemic.
Surgeons only wear masks to avoid drooling into their patients and they follow strict protocols for removing and replacing them.
Masks of every kind are not effective in stopping any kind of virus from going through or around.
If someone in the healthcare industry wants to ignore the science and wear a mask to protect themselves then they should go ahead and do so.
There is NO SCIENTIFIC reason and no legal right for them to require others to do so.
The same applies at the grocery store and everywhere else.
Paranoid people who refuse to acknowledge science should wear two, three or four masks of every type they feel comfortable with.
Knock yourself out and play pretend but don't expect others to "pretend" with you.
There is no sane reason to require other people to do so.
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We are talking about the doctor imposing his arbitrary opinions on us as a condition of providing service.
We don’t even know this until Lover of truth answers my question,
I am curious how you know that no local eye doctor will see you.
Do you ring for appointment and the receptionist tells you up front that you must wear a mask before she will make the appointment?
Or do you ask her if mask wearing is necessary?
Maybe it is just a matter of an officious who has taken it on herself.Is he making a mountain out of a molehill.
often companies only put up a sign to keep themselves from danger from dobbers.
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Back in grade school boys would wear t-shirts saying, "I'm with stupid." Nobody else except the boys wearing the t-shirts thought they were "cool." The ones wearing the t-shirts tended to also be the ones to wear t-shirts saying, "My parents went to Hawaii, and all they got me was this dumb t-shirt."
Whatever floats your boat.
Aaand, it seems to have pushed a hot button on the board's new drama-queen as well..
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...and everything to do with providing High-quality and safe, competent healthcare. ...
More than a little irony in 2022 :facepalm:
Find some "patients" for all these ventilators we have on hand...
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The mask the healthcare worker is wearing protects them so there is no need for the patient to wear one unless they want to feel protected (from spit, or bad breath, I guess).
Just like a polio vaccine protects you- it doesn't protect the person next to you.
Forcing a person to do something against his/her will is not moral.
The Original Poster did not ask for a moral dissection of the post- he asked for contact information.
"Does anyone know where in NW Virginia or anywhere closer to that than Florida their might be an eye doctor who will see us if we refuse to suffocate ourselves."
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Anne, there are over 50 peer reviewed studies you can find at pubmed to show that masks are harmful and not helpful.
Yeah, yeah ... we know all this. That has little to do with the issue at hand.
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I agree with pretty much everything Miser Peccator is saying here. I'll add that mask mandates are a crime. They are abusive aggression. If an eye doctor is worried about coming into close personal contact with a patient they can wear a mask and a faceshield like dental hygienists often do. I take it that Mark and Ladislaus don't agree that a mask mandate is a crime (and should be recognized as such in our laws). That should be the focal point of the discussion because the idea that property owners should be prevented from imposing mask mandates is not similar to forcing bakers to bake cakes for perverts. Not even close.
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…Not even close.
Argument by assertion.
In the instances discussed, both cake-baking and mask wearing force private individuals to do what they do not want to do.
"Not even close"? Ha, ha, ha, the analogy is painfully close, so you just wave your magic wand and assert "not even close."
:facepalm:
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Anne, there are over 50 peer reviewed studies …
…that docuмent the isolation of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) virus:
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C3&q=SARS-CoV-2+isolation+of+covid+virus&btnG=
…but the issue here is whether or not PRIVATE eye doctors should be FORCED to do what YOU want AGAINST their will.
You want to cite peer-reviewed studies about masks, but blind yourself to peer-reviewed studies contradicting your crackpot theories? Start a "blind in one eye, can't see out of the other" thread.
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More than a little irony in 2022 :facepalm:
Find some "patients" for all these ventilators we have on hand...
She found me. I was on a ventilator for 4 months. And there are dozens like me in the waiting room of my "long haul" COVID specialist.
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…that docuмent the isolation of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) virus:
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C3&q=SARS-CoV-2+isolation+of+covid+virus&btnG=
…but the issue here is whether or not PRIVATE eye doctors should be FORCED to do what YOU want AGAINST their will.
You want to cite peer-reviewed studies about masks, but blind yourself to peer-reviewed studies contradicting your crackpot theories? Start a "blind in one eye, can't see out of the other" thread.
It's well established that Koch's postulates have not been met:
(1) The microorganism must be found in diseased but not healthy individuals; (2) The microorganism must be cultured from the diseased individual; (3) Inoculation of a healthy individual with the cultured microorganism must recapitulated the disease; and finally (4) The microorganism must be re-isolated from the inoculated, diseased individual and matched to the original microorganism.
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She found me. I was on a ventilator for 4 months. And there are dozens like me in the waiting room of my "long haul" COVID specialist.
I'm vert sorry you were on a ventilator. Unfortunately it doesn't prove that you had something called "Covid 19".
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I take it that Mark and Ladislaus don't agree that a mask mandate is a crime (and should be recognized as such in our laws).
No, I don't believe that the mask mandate is a crime per se. It's an unjust law given that 1) the plandemic is fake and 2) the masks don't work at all. But given a real plague and an effective mask, I don't think it would be a crime at all. In fact, those who would refuse under the circuмstances (1 and 2) stated would be committing a sin by refusing to comply, endangering the lives of others.
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It's well established that Koch's postulates have not been met:
(1) The microorganism must be found in diseased but not healthy individuals; (2) The microorganism must be cultured from the diseased individual; (3) Inoculation of a healthy individual with the cultured microorganism must recapitulated the disease; and finally (4) The microorganism must be re-isolated from the inoculated, diseased individual and matched to the original microorganism.
Nonsense.
Koch's Postulates have been met. Read the literature to which I have linked.
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Does anyone know where in NW Virginia or anywhere closer to that than Florida their might be an eye doctor who will see us if we refuse to suffocate ourselves.
Unless I missed it, so far the posts seem to be telling LOT to go to a doctor even if he/she requires a mask. I happen to agree with that, but that is not what he's asking. He's asking for names of eye doctors closer to him that won't require a mask. He's already made his decision that he is not wearing a mask.
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Unless I missed it, so far the posts seem to be telling LOT to go to a doctor even if he/she requires a mask. I happen to agree with that, but that is not what he's asking. He's asking for names of eye doctors closer to him that won't require a mask. He's already made his decision that he is not wearing a mask.
It's an indirect answer. Instead of financially strapping your family and putting them through the hardshp of an 11-hour drive, contacting lawers, just put on the damn mask. There's nothing immoral about a mask PER SE, and one commits no sin by complying in order to get medical care. Sure, it would be a noble thing to endure hardship for a real moral issue, but this is excessive.
Depending of what you need done, there's always Google: "online eye doctor exam". There's more and more telemedicine available these days.
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I think people need to stop blending political issues with moral ones.
Unless what you're being asked to do is sinful and immoral, there's no sin even in complying with an unjust law. Let's say a tyrant imposed a 10 MPH speed limit on the highways. Unjust law. But there's no sin, if you need to go somewhere, to simply drive under the 10MPH, as there's nothing inherently evil about driving slow.
Surgeons are required to wear masks in order to operate on patients. Workers sometimes are required to wear masks (e.g. if they're working with asbestos or something).
Our entire banking system is corrupt and unjust, but unless you go through it, you're not going to be able to buy a house or a car or a lot of other things you may need.
Just give it a rest and get your eyes examined, and then go home and call your local politicians to object, or picket in front of the Dr.'s office against the mask.
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I'm vert sorry you were on a ventilator. Unfortunately it doesn't prove that you had something called "Covid 19".
Correct, a ventilator alone doesn't cinch the diagnosis in my or other cases. The diagnosis of my COVID-19, like many diagnoses, follows a pattern, a diagnosis cinched by:
• acute and convalescent antibody titers
• cytokine profile
• symptom profile, physical, imaging findings,
• acute and convalescent clinical course
that in aggregate are quite unlike any "sniffles" or "flu" that I have ever had.
Just as red bumps on your skin are not always "acne," the diagnosis of a rash depends on the pattern, exposure, and time course. Sometimes the red bumps are measles, poison oak, Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, or Ebola.
Sure, people get fever, cough, and "ground glass" opacities on Chest CT from "flu." Some people even get quadriplegia from post-"flu" Guillain-Barre Syndrome… BUT my quadriplegia was not the "ascending" (toes first then extending upwards) pattern of Guillain-Barre. Who have you ever met who 1-2 years after "flu" continues to have chest pain, severe exertional intolerance, and profound fatigue? Do you personally know of anyone who lost their hearing, taste, and smell, have permanent whole body neuropathy, or lost 70% of lung capillaries from "flu"?
Admittedly there were numerous reports of bogus diagnoses of COVID, e.g., gun-shot wounds with COVID death certificates, "cases" pf papayas with PCR + results. Admittedly, every faction is vested in which data to believe and disbelieve, BUT COVID exists. Most get well without permanent damage (long term, who knows? Maybe there will be delayed consequences, as Parkinsonism following "Spanish flu."), but millions died and millions more are seriously messed up unlike any "flu."
I have no onus to prove the cause of my illness to you or anyone, but I think you do a disservice with your sweeping generalizations and a greater disservice with your discredited claims ("never isolated"), but you can believe any damn thing you choose.
Lastly, there is the matter of my wager… Talk is cheap.…
I wager that any random FLCCCA member, bar none, has helped more people than you have.
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…but the issue here is whether or not PRIVATE eye doctors should be FORCED to do what YOU want AGAINST their will.
No, the issue is whether or not PRIVATE eye doctors are allowed to FORCE YOU to do something(*) AGAINST your will.
* where the something is unrelated to the service they are providing and is an onerous imposition of a dangerous procedure. If the doctor wants to wear a mask and a face shield and/or a respirator and/or a positive pressure protective suit, he is free to do that. But he ought not be free to force his patients to undergo what amounts to a dangerous medical procedure without patient consent and without any reasonable purpose.
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No, the issue is whether or not PRIVATE eye doctors are allowed to FORCE YOU to do something(*) AGAINST your will.
* where the something is unrelated to the service they are providing and is an onerous imposition of a dangerous procedure. If the doctor wants to wear a mask and a face shield and/or a respirator and/or a positive pressure protective suit, he is free to do that. But he ought not be free to force his patients to undergo what amounts to a dangerous medical procedure without patient consent and without any reasonable purpose.
Nonsense.
You can exercise your free will choice to enter or not enter HIS property, yet you pretend you are justified in telling him under what circuмstances you will be allowed to enter HIS property.
Who the bloody hell do you think you are?
Do you think you can come in our home and tell us under what circuмstances you may enter?
Try it! You'll be making scratch marks on the prison walls to mark the days… if you are lucky.
What Marxist horse pookey!
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I think people need to stop blending political issues with moral ones.
Unless what you're being asked to do is sinful and immoral, there's no sin even in complying with an unjust law. Let's say a tyrant imposed a 10 MPH speed limit on the highways. Unjust law. But there's no sin, if you need to go somewhere, to simply drive under the 10MPH, as there's nothing inherently evil about driving slow.
Surgeons are required to wear masks in order to operate on patients. Workers sometimes are required to wear masks (e.g. if they're working with asbestos or something).
Our entire banking system is corrupt and unjust, but unless you go through it, you're not going to be able to buy a house or a car or a lot of other things you may need.
Just give it a rest and get your eyes examined, and then go home and call your local politicians to object, or picket in front of the Dr.'s office against the mask.
It's not just a political issue. It is a political issue but that's not the end of it. Bottom line is that it is immoral (and should be a crime) to coerce people into endangering their health for no reason.
Mark admitted that property owners don't have the right to criminally coerce customers/patients. And both you and he agree that mandating masks is immoral. So the only point of disagreement is whether or not it should be classified as a crime. I think it should be at least a misdemeanor. And if someone dies because of the mandate, it should be a felony manslaughter. There is a video of a guy in Australia having a terrible asthma attack because he was forced to wear a mask by the cops. He could have died. Eye doctors can't be allowed to risk lives just because they are "woke".
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It's not just a political issue. It is a political issue but that's not the end of it. Bottom line is that it is immoral (and should be a crime) to coerce people into endangering their health for no reason.
Mark admitted that property owners don't have the right to criminally coerce customers/patients. And both you and he agree that mandating masks is immoral. So the only point of disagreement is whether or not it should be classified as a crime. I think it should be at least a misdemeanor. And if someone dies because of the mandate, it should be a felony manslaughter. There is a video of a guy in Australia having a terrible asthma attack because he was forced to wear a mask by the cops. He could have died. Eye doctors can't be allowed to risk lives just because they are "woke".
Seriously.
Try to enter our property under your conditions.
Seriously.
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I think you're right Mark 79, while Clemens Maria defends socialist/communist/nanny state ideas.
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Seriously.
Try to enter our property under your conditions.
Seriously.
You can't invite me onto your property and then commit crimes against me. You acknowledged that earlier. So you are OK, with masking. I'm not. I think it is a crime. It's not safe. Even the original purpose of surgical masks is called into question by studies that found that they are ineffective at preventing even bacterial infection of wounds. So, no, they don't protect you. So, yeah, I have no problem setting the condition that you don't try to commit a crime against me while I'm on your property. And the courts would agree with me on that. Obviously there is no law on the books that mask requirements are unlawful but I think there should be. I hope LoT will find a nearby doctor who will agree to see him without a mask. But if he ends up driving to FL, I'm not going to try shame him about burdening his family. You guys wear masks and that's why you have no sympathy for LoT. I don't wear masks. Sorry to see you imagining doing violence against me, Mark.
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You can't invite me onto your property and then commit crimes against me. You acknowledged that earlier. So you are OK, with masking. I'm not. I think it is a crime. It's not safe.
Did any eye doctor invite you onto his property? Or did he tell you that folks without masks aren't welcome?
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Did any eye doctor invite you onto his property? Or did he tell you that folks without masks aren't welcome?
Yes, he did. When a doctor hangs a sign outside his office and invites the public to partake of his services, he is inviting people on to his property. If he wants to invite the public on to his property, he shouldn't be permitted to require them to wear masks. If he doesn't want maskless people on his property, he can close his business.
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Yes, he did. When a doctor hangs a sign outside his office and invites the public to partake of his services, he is inviting people on to his property. If he wants to invite the public on to his property, he shouldn't be permitted to require them to wear masks. If he doesn't want maskless people on his property, he can close his business.
You think that "masking is a crime". But I don't. People wear masks for whatever adaequate or less adaequate reasons, and neither I, nor you, nor the state has any right or duty to interfere in private businesses. LastTradhican wears a mask when using a leaf blower. Should he be persecuted for doing that, just because some think that that might prejudicate his health?
A doctor invites people who follow some well known, and more rarely some less well known rules. Everybody knows this.
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You think that "masking is a crime". But I don't. People wear masks for whatever adaequate or less adaequate reasons, and neither I, nor you, nor the state has any right or duty to interfere in private businesses. LastTradhican wears a mask when using a leaf blower. Should he be persecuted for doing that, just because some think that that might prejudicate his health?
No, I don't think masking is a crime. I think mask requirements are a crime.
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No, I don't think masking is a crime. I think mask requirements are a crime.
I quoted what you said.
I think you're a criminal just like the state. The state requires masks, and if you were the state, you would prohibit masks. The crime is the same: that's none of the state's business.
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I quoted what you said.
I think you're a criminal just like the state. The state requires masks, and if you were the state, you would prohibit masks. The crime is the same: that's none of the state's business.
Is English your native language? How do I get across to you that I'm not for prohibiting masks. I don't think masking is a crime. Requiring masks is a crime. Or should be.
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How do guys who are pretending to be champions of private property and liberty come down on the side of the people who are trying to restrict liberty and violate not just private property but even the bodies of other people?
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Is English your native language? How do I get across to you that I'm not for prohibiting masks. I don't think masking is a crime. Requiring masks is a crime. Or should be.
I wrote "you would prohibit masks", but I meant "you would prohibit private mask requirements". Sorry.
Please, give me a second try:
I think you're a criminal just like the state. The state requires masks, and if you were the state, you would prohibit private mask requirements. The crime is the same: that's none of the state's business.
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It's a safe bet that everyone who is advocating for the communist mask mandates has already caved and is wearing masks whenever it would be an inconvenience for them to fight back. So you have to justify that somehow. I guess you just blow it off as the property owner's rights. Meanwhile the communists laugh at you. They don't laugh at the people who are fighting back.
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How do guys who are pretending to be champions of private property and liberty come down on the side of the people who are trying to restrict liberty and violate not just private property but even the bodies of other people?
You say "the people". There's a huge difference between the state violating rights for all, and a doctor or other businessman setting up rules for his business.
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It's a safe bet that everyone who is advocating for the communist mask mandates has already caved and is wearing masks whenever it would be an inconvenience for them to fight back. So you have to justify that somehow. I guess you just blow it off as the property owner's rights. Meanwhile the communists laugh at you. They don't laugh at the people who are fighting back.
I didn't ever wear a mask so far, but yes, as the case might be, I'd wear a mask. I am not a social justice warrior seeing any binding duty to "fight back" against the God given governments. They obviously are a punishment of the Lord. And I don't think that the Lord will free us from that plague, if only we "fight back". That's earthly/fleshly thinking.
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How do guys who are pretending to be champions of private property and liberty come down on the side of the people who are trying to restrict liberty and violate not just private property but even the bodies of other people?
We are coming down on YOUR side, the right YOU have to do what YOU want on YOUR own property unless you commit crimes. As long as you break no laws, you can be both king and court fool on YOUR property, but NOT on my property or on the property of the eye doctor.
If we come onto YOUR property and "violate your body," tie a mask on YOUR face, YOU are welcome to use the law or just force against us.
You have NO right to free medical care, NO right medical care dictated on your terms, and NO right to command the labor or property of anyone as chattel slaves.
We are not worshipping "liberty." We are respecting the same private property rights and free will recognized by the Magisterium. …but, of course, we are just "pretending." :laugh2:
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I am curious how you know that no local eye doctor will see you.
Do you ring for appointment and the receptionist tells you up front before she will make the appointment?
Or do you ask her if mask wearing is necessary?
Here is my recent experience. Last week I has to go to the optometrist. Before going I went to the supermarket. I was waiting for it to open and a couple of elderly ladies reluctantly moved up so I could sit down. I am visibly disabled. They tell me the "law" says two bodies to a bench.
Anyway we got chatting and I attempted to enlighten them that they don't have to wear masks. They weren't buying it. But the more pleasant (least suspicious) of the two related how she had gone to the optometrist (the same one I was booked for) and he had said to her "For goodness sake take off that mask. It's causing your glasses to fog". This gave some reassurance, as I admit that I was wary of having a disagreement.
As I approached the door there was a big sign say in to effect of "don't enter without a mask." I ignored the sign and entered. There was a similar sign stuck on the desk and so I stood a little away from that sign and told my name and appointment time.
Everyone was most kind and helpful. No-one battered an eyelid. I saw the optometrist who made no comment nor protest though he was wearing a mask. The good news is that I do not need new glasses.
So what is your story, Lover of Truth?
Do you really need an eye doctor or would an optometrist be sufficient? That would give you more options.
Personally, I would just make an appointment and turn up. Do you really believe that the doctor will kick you out or are you at the mercy of an upstart receptionist?
I just went 2 days ago for eye exam and the bold tells my same story.
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Whatever floats your boat.
anne this is a very vulgar and crude statement, one you should never use, as it refers to the male anatomy.
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Yeah, a lot of places put up the sign because they feel they have to, but then don't enforce it.
Retailers were telling their employees to not enforce mask rules because they didn't want to be liable for any confrontations; they simply put the sign up and left it at that.
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Anne, there are over 50 peer reviewed studies you can find at pubmed to show that masks are harmful and not helpful. This was even shown to be true during the Spanish Flu and Fauci himself was named on that study.
There is no virus that has been isolated, purified and identified to cause any kind of pandemic and there are not enough dead bodies to equate to any kind of pandemic.
Surgeons only wear masks to avoid drooling into their patients and they follow strict protocols for removing and replacing them.
Masks of every kind are not effective in stopping any kind of virus from going through or around.
If someone in the healthcare industry wants to ignore the science and wear a mask to protect themselves then they should go ahead and do so.
There is NO SCIENTIFIC reason and no legal right for them to require others to do so.
The same applies at the grocery store and everywhere else.
Paranoid people who refuse to acknowledge science should wear two, three or four masks of every type they feel comfortable with.
Knock yourself out and play pretend but don't expect others to "pretend" with you.
There is no sane reason to require other people to do so.
there is no reason you can't make a non-harmful mask and wear it around paranoid doctors. pick and choose your battles.
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anne this is a very vulgar and crude statement, one you should never use, as it refers to the male anatomy.
I read that and said to myself, "What???!!!" So I looked it up in the online slang dictionary. I'm filing their explanation of the "float" phrase under "Sounds like a bunch of made-up baloney."
Reading their fantasy explanation I'll be careful not to use the phrase (I don't recall using the phrase though have heard it often), but I think they just have very vivid (and prurient) imaginations to come up with that one.
The all-too-common phrase that makes me cringe is, "That s*cks!" I can't imagine a polite origin of that one, but I have even heard it from a couple of "trad" (???) women. Go figure.
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anne this is a very vulgar and crude statement, one you should never use, as it refers to the male anatomy.
I wasn't aware myself that this is a vulgar phrase.
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I wasn't aware myself that this is a vulgar phrase.
The slang dictionary claimed it's a reference to the female anatomy, but I am dubious.
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I read that and said to myself, "What???!!!" So I looked it up in the online slang dictionary. I'm filing their explanation of the "float" phrase under "Sounds like a bunch of made-up baloney."
Reading their fantasy explanation I'll be careful not to use the phrase (I don't recall using the phrase though have heard it often), but I think they just have very vivid (and prurient) imaginations to come up with that one.
The all-too-common phrase that makes me cringe is, "That s*cks!" I can't imagine a polite origin of that one, but I have even heard it from a couple of "trad" (???) women. Go figure.
Yeah. I always took it to mean "whatever works for you". I have never heard it being used in a vulgar way.
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I read that and said to myself, "What???!!!" So I looked it up in the online slang dictionary. I'm filing their explanation of the "float" phrase under "Sounds like a bunch of made-up baloney."
Reading their fantasy explanation I'll be careful not to use the phrase (I don't recall using the phrase though have heard it often), but I think they just have very vivid (and prurient) imaginations to come up with that one.
The all-too-common phrase that makes me cringe is, "That s*cks!" I can't imagine a polite origin of that one, but I have even heard it from a couple of "trad" (???) women. Go figure.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=float%20boat&page=2
been around a LONG time....
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https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=float%20boat&page=2
been around a LONG time....
My point is that, if there is such a connotation, many people are unaware of it and therefore there was no intent on Anne's part in using the expression. I imagine that I've used the term myself unknowingly.
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Yeah. I always took it to mean "whatever works for you". I have never heard it being used in a vulgar way.
That's pretty much what it's always meant. Why is there even a discussion on it? :facepalm:
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https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=float%20boat&page=2
been around a LONG time....
I found all that, including this: "Comes from the term 'man in the boat' referring to the c******s and the female genitalia. So, if your boat is floating, you are quite happy."
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=whatever%20floats%20your%20boat
So, yes, that is their claim. I just think the claim is stretched (and prurient). It doesn't make sense that it refers to both male and female anatomy.
Obviously, with this perspective, it is worth avoiding the phrase even though I am dubious of their explanation.
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That's pretty much what it's always meant. Why is there even a discussion on it? :facepalm:
It seems that a few of us were surprised enough by the claim that it is a sɛҳuąƖ double entendre that we investigated and are skeptical of the claim. There's plenty of nonsense on the internet.
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Aaand, it seems to have pushed a hot button on the board's new drama-queen as well..
LOL. No "hot button." He can wear whatever he likes. It's no skin off my nose. Some people have been wearing FJB masks, some FJT masks, some religious masks, some tutty-fruity rainbown masks, and on and on--everything from hockey team masks to Barbie, and everything in-between.
Heck, I've even seen people wearing bubble wrap costumes, and full-on hazmat suits. I could care less, really. If people want to "express themselves" or write messages on their masks, well, that's their problem, not mine. I find it amusing, myself, and a type of free entertainment/free laughs.
Some people choose to wear multiple masks at once. Well, if they like breathing in their own expired CO2, then why should I care? If they want to wear them all day, everyday, inside and outside, (when they don't absolutely have to), well, that's their problem, not mine.
Like I said, whatever floats your boat.
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anne this is a very vulgar and crude statement, one you should never use, as it refers to the male anatomy.
What? Get your mind out of the gutter, for starters. It's a common expression here, and I grew up surrounded by water and boaters of all kinds. I have not heard of what "vulgarness" you are talking about, and nobody that I have heard it said, (nor used it with) would be implying that.
It's another way of saying, "Whatever makes you happy," or "Whatever you do is fine by me (because it doesn't affect me)," or "Sure, if that works for you, go for it."
Where do you hang out? Weird. You might need a new hobby or something.
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Just a note for consideration. What is a private doctor? The overwhelming number of doctors in the US are not in business for themselves. They are part of huge medical conglomerates, medical corporations that run from a dozen to hundreds of hospitals, care homes, imaging and testing centers, and physicians’ group practices. The chances of a doctor coming out of med school and hanging his shingle in front of his house with the living room and two side rooms converted into waiting area, office, and exam room; his family living in the back rooms and upstairs…well, those days are pretty much gone. Today’s doctor is not a private doctor who sets his hours, his own fees, his own policies. He doesn’t hire his own office staff. He’s very much a wage earner, not a private businessman.
If he IS truly private he is likely an older man/woman with no debt, well established, and extremely wealthy! He’s still obliged to be part of the “system” in so far as certain protocols and keeping computerized records. Since he’s not part of any conglomerate, he must purchase his own computers and record keeping equipment and train his own staff to use it. The cost of classes for himself to use are his responsibility. He must pay for his own office, it’s upkeep, keeping equipment up to date, and his own medical equipment from EKG machine to disposable gloves. He must apply for, be accepted by, and pay for “hospital privileges.” Unless he can afford to lose, not gain money, he can’t make a living on the paltry sums given him by patients’ insurance companies. He certainly cannot take patients on Medicare or Medicaid. His patients must be able to pay his fees out of pocket.
Obamacare forced the majority of private doctors to join a medical group, retire, or, if possible, switch out of mainstream medicine for specialties such as psychiatry, psychology, chiropractic and the like. Thousands of older physicians took early retirement in 2013-2016 rather than go hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt in order to convert their practices up to the new standards. The US lost many excellent, experienced, and caring doctors, replacing them with the young, inexperienced, and in debt.
During the years 2014-2016, I personally went through five “personal care physicians,” all but one of whom retired. The doctor who didn’t retire returned to his native England because he said if he was going to return to socialized medicine, he’d rather work for the NHS that was well established than be part of a system in the US that featured the worst of capitalism and the worst of socialism! My parents and sister also kept “losing” doctors, mainly to early retirement. My nephews’ pediatrician was too young to retire, but having grown up in Canada and gone to medical school there, wanted no part of Obamacare. Instead, she closed her thriving private practice, sold everything, and enrolled in veterinary school to specialize in horses. She’d wanted to do this in the first place but her parents were against it and refused to offer financial assistance.
Back to masks! No, I don’t like them except for when you might be in each other’s face—like at the dentist or the ophthalmologist. They can’t filter viruses, but they do prevent patient and doctor from sneezing, coughing, sharing bits of spittle, and smelling one another’s breath. If they are utterly useless, why do surgeons wear them often along with face guards? Why are they worn by medical workers on the Ebola ward? Why, pre-Covid, did Asian nationals wear them when going out in public if they had a cold or were getting over the flu? It was considered very rude to be frequently coughing, sneezing, or blowing one’s nose around others.
Please realize that complaining to the doctor, unless he’s truly a PRIVATE ophthalmologist, will do no good. It will only frustrate him because THERE’S NOTHING HE CAN DO ABOUT IT. IT ISN’T HIS POLICY! YOU’RE FIGHTING THE MEDICAL CORPORATION WHOSE BOSSES ARE BIG PHARMA, WHO, IN TURN, ARE FINANCED BY THE LIKES OF THE CDC AND WHO. WHO FINANCES THEM? WORLD LEADERS, “THE ELITE” WE KNOW, AND MORE THAT WORK BEHIND THE SCENES.
If anyone wants to make an issue of a mask, realize who you’re up against and that you’ll probably lose. Your other choices are to find a private doctor and pay his fees, try to treat yourself via alternative medicine, a naturopath or sometimes a chiropractor, or put together your own remedies. Check “Dr.” Google and pray a lot! Or do what the poor have always done, go without. If you go blind, you go blind.
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20 key insights into the world of independent physicians; 33% of US physicians are independent
Megan Wood - Wednesday, October 19th, 2016
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/hospital-physician-relationships/20-key-insights-into-the-world-of-independent-physicians-33-of-us-physicians-are-independent.html (https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/hospital-physician-relationships/20-key-insights-into-the-world-of-independent-physicians-33-of-us-physicians-are-independent.html)
…and the trend continues.
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Obviously, with this perspective, it is worth avoiding the phrase
that is what I thought when it was explained to me years ago...
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Just a note for consideration. What is a private doctor? The overwhelming number of doctors in the US are not in business for themselves.
Didn't you just answer your own question? While almost every doctor has to start out as part of a larger conglomerate, a fair number spin off their own private practices. So, for instance, the famous Dr. Tenpenny has her clinic not far from where I live. Unfortunately, it's unaffordable to most of us becaue they don't accept (and can't accept) normal medical insurance.
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"Accepting insurance" binds doctors to an enormous amount of control that is usually inimical to good medical care.
"First dollar coverage" and trivial co-payments are a major cause of escalating medical costs. Because it costs patients and parents little or nothing to see the doctor, they go at the drop of a hat for the most trivial (and psychosomatic) reasons.
Paying out of pocket makes people pause long enough to think whether the visit is really necessary.
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20 key insights into the world of independent physicians; 33% of US physicians are independent
Megan Wood - Wednesday, October 19th, 2016
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/hospital-physician-relationships/20-key-insights-into-the-world-of-independent-physicians-33-of-us-physicians-are-independent.html (https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/hospital-physician-relationships/20-key-insights-into-the-world-of-independent-physicians-33-of-us-physicians-are-independent.html)
…and the trend continues.
In 2016! That was six years ago. Doctors were given time to switch over, a lot of which depended upon taking certain steps by deadlines that differed from specialty to specialty and place to place. I was on doctors numbers two and three of five in 2016. From 2018-2019, I’d lost all five and went about a year and a half with a doctor assigned to me by my employer sponsored insurance. I don’t bother counting this doctor number six because I never so much as spoke with her on the phone or set eyes upon her. The insurance’s list of PCPs hadn’t been updated in at least five years. I know that because in calling every doctor I could reasonably travel to, an hour or less, there was one who’d passed away five years ago! Others weren’t taking patients, no longer took the insurance, had moved, or had retired. The assigned doc may have been wonderful, but her location in Bridgeport, CT was not acceptable! The insurance measured distance “as the crow flies,” or, in this case, a hanger the crow to seagull! They also didn’t take into account the type of area in which the client lived. There’s a huge difference in drive time between, say, 45 miles on open highway in Texas and 45 miles in NYC area. I could take the car ferry, $70 each way by reservation, over an hour each way, then drive 12 miles to the office, or drive around Long Island Sound through NYC, paying for bridges and tolls, taking anywhere from three and a half to six hours depending upon time of day, or walk on the ferry, taking a taxi both ways!?! In 2019 I had a doctor for six months and it all went south, job, housing, insurance, everything, the end of March 2020. Now, if I need emergency care, I’ll fall under Medicaid in the state where I’m at, at least for the time being. It’s no big deal because there’s only one hospital in a large geographic area that is very poor except for the summer residents from Boston. They can’t turn anyone away for lack of insurance or inability to pay. In fact, people here illegally needn’t give their real names or addresses, if they have one.
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…They can’t turn anyone away for lack of insurance or inability to pay. In fact, people here illegally needn’t give their real names or addresses, if they have one.
I am sure you will get peachy keen care at that facility. :facepalm:
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Here's something I had never heard before. To "participate" in Medicare and MedicAid some must buy a surety bond:
Your Guide to Medicaid Provider Bonds
https://www.suretybonds.com/medicaid-bonds.html
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…that docuмent the isolation of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) virus:
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C3&q=SARS-CoV-2+isolation+of+covid+virus&btnG=
…but the issue here is whether or not PRIVATE eye doctors should be FORCED to do what YOU want AGAINST their will.
You want to cite peer-reviewed studies about masks, but blind yourself to peer-reviewed studies contradicting your crackpot theories? Start a "blind in one eye, can't see out of the other" thread.
The problem is that they are not actually purifying the virus. Just as they have changed the definition of "vaccine" they have changed the definition of "purification":
https://truthcomestolight.com/is-purification-of-a-virus-necessary-yes/
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Correct, a ventilator alone doesn't cinch the diagnosis in my or other cases. The diagnosis of my COVID-19, like many diagnoses, follows a pattern, a diagnosis cinched by:
• acute and convalescent antibody titers
• cytokine profile
• symptom profile, physical, imaging findings,
• acute and convalescent clinical course
that in aggregate are quite unlike any "sniffles" or "flu" that I have ever had.
Just as red bumps on your skin are not always "acne," the diagnosis of a rash depends on the pattern, exposure, and time course. Sometimes the red bumps are measles, poison oak, Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, or Ebola.
Sure, people get fever, cough, and "ground glass" opacities on Chest CT from "flu." Some people even get quadriplegia from post-"flu" Guillain-Barre Syndrome… BUT my quadriplegia was not the "ascending" (toes first then extending upwards) pattern of Guillain-Barre. Who have you ever met who 1-2 years after "flu" continues to have chest pain, severe exertional intolerance, and profound fatigue? Do you personally know of anyone who lost their hearing, taste, and smell, have permanent whole body neuropathy, or lost 70% of lung capillaries from "flu"?
Admittedly there were numerous reports of bogus diagnoses of COVID, e.g., gun-shot wounds with COVID death certificates, "cases" pf papayas with PCR + results. Admittedly, every faction is vested in which data to believe and disbelieve, BUT COVID exists. Most get well without permanent damage (long term, who knows? Maybe there will be delayed consequences, as Parkinsonism following "Spanish flu."), but millions died and millions more are seriously messed up unlike any "flu."
I have no onus to prove the cause of my illness to you or anyone, but I think you do a disservice with your sweeping generalizations and a greater disservice with your discredited claims ("never isolated"), but you can believe any damn thing you choose.
Lastly, there is the matter of my wager… Talk is cheap.…
I wager that any random FLCCCA member, bar none, has helped more people than you have.
I agree the FLCCA has helped more people. No argument there.
That doesn't mean there aren't red flags that people should be aware of including promoting reliance on the early detection, masking and "social distancing", early quarantine and track and trace measures that are part of the emerging surveillance state.
The stats show that the majority of flu cases have been rebranded since nobody gets the flu anymore.
I can't know for sure, Mark, but the symptoms you describe are not flu symptoms and there may be some other variables to consider such as graphene poisoning. The ground glass lung is one of many symptoms from graphene poisoning which include:
"In addition, several typical mechanisms underlying GFN toxicity have been revealed, for instance, physical destruction, oxidative stress, DNA damage, inflammatory response, apoptosis, autophagy, and necrosis. In these mechanisms, (toll-like receptors-) TLR-, transforming growth factor β- (TGF-β-) and tumor necrosis factor-alpha (TNF-α) dependent-pathways are involved in the signalling pathway network, and oxidative stress plays a crucial role in these pathways."
https://particleandfibretoxicology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12989-016-0168-y
In 2016 they were testing to see just how much graphene poisoning the human body can take before severe damage and death occurs.
cued to 8min mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kAevCpFNW0&t=508s
There is good info in the comment section below the video as well.
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Here's something I had never heard before. To "participate" in Medicare and MedicAid some must buy a surety bond:
Your Guide to Medicaid Provider Bonds
https://www.suretybonds.com/medicaid-bonds.html
Not my state!
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It's an indirect answer. Instead of financially strapping your family and putting them through the hardshp of an 11-hour drive, contacting lawers, just put on the damn mask. There's nothing immoral about a mask PER SE, and one commits no sin by complying in order to get medical care. Sure, it would be a noble thing to endure hardship for a real moral issue, but this is excessive.
Depending of what you need done, there's always Google: "online eye doctor exam". There's more and more telemedicine available these days.
My wife and children are vehemently against them. They would think I was putting them through trouble if I made them wear them.
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Just a reply to those who ask about just walking in despite the signs.
You would be amazed, when I first moved here 15 years ago, in Front Royal, VA, I thought it would be less bureaucratic than where I came from near DC. It has proven to be much more so, from the start. I thought it would be a small friendly town. I have come to find it has been very corrupt, in many different ways from the beginning. We enter everywhere without a mask regardless of the signs. We were successful in one restaurant (forget the name, buffet place) where the manager came and was trying to force us until we claimed we were medically exempt. After defending ourselves we were successful at Wendy's as well. We were successful at a foot doctor. We where successful at some chiropractor's, with one it was difficult but we go in through the back door. We were not successful with Costco, or Ruth's Chris, or Outback.
At first at Urgent Care after hassles we could do it and the person would wear a mask and shield and maybe an astronaut uniform. Since they have threatened to call the cops on us and refused what could have been urgently needed care for my little daughter. Lynn Care is as tyrannical as they get. Forcing all kinds of nonsense for children to see their parents. Repeatedly trying to force vaccines, tests and masks on old defenseless people who have repeatedly said they do not want it. Purposely trying to get them sick by "isolating" them and then putting new patients that have not been "tested" in with them so they will catch it. Injuring the nasal of old patients who are trying to refuse the test. Forcing old people with heart problems to wear it when exercising. It is a brutally cold and hateful world. They are motivated by the money they get for the tests, and inoculations. Part of the goal is depopulation and many of them know it and go along with it. I'm starting to see even more clearly how the love of money is the root of all evil. So many people in positions of authority, seemingly keep doing stupid things. They are not as stupid as they seem. They are evil. They are bought. They very well rewarded for enforcing evil, others are threatened if they do not force these things on us. They would rather kill than be inconvenienced. This has been the case all along, but before it was fringe, now it is mainstream. (https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS962US962&q=bureaucratic&spell=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjNq76Iu_L1AhXBIkQIHRBDBwEQkeECKAB6BAgCEDI)
Insane! No, I will not submit. If there is no resistance, there will no freedom left at all. Though I must admit, that I have been tempted to go along. Much easier. I was even thinking of chopping off my feet so other people won't get foot cancer.
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Insane! No, I will not submit.
You have to ask yourself how much of this is just your ego talking. Wearing a mask is not a moral issue, and given a real pandemic and a mask that were actually effective, there's nothing instrinsically wrong with the government imposing such a requirement.
As for your "resistance," and fighting for "freedom", if you think not wearing a mask to an eye doctor is going to wrest control from the evil Jєωιѕн Masonic Communist controllers of our state, then you're delusional. They're in total control and can (and will) do what they want until God takes them down. They could just as easily release a real deadly pathogen, crash the economy, and push the Great Reset button whenever they feel like it.
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You have to ask yourself how much of this is just your ego talking. Wearing a mask is not a moral issue, and given a real pandemic and a mask that were actually effective, there's nothing instrinsically wrong with the government imposing such a requirement.
As for your "resistance," and fighting for "freedom", if you think not wearing a mask to an eye doctor is going to wrest control from the evil Jєωιѕн Masonic Communist controllers of our state, then you're delusional. They're in total control and can (and will) do what they want until God takes them down. They could just as easily release a real deadly pathogen, crash the economy, and push the Great Reset button whenever they feel like it.
You can ask, but I don't need to.
I resist, sometimes it does make a difference. If enough people wake up and act accordingly in time. The truckers are making a difference. Peggy Hall is making a difference. Doctor Vernon Colemen is making a difference. JP Sears (Awaken) is making a difference. We have to do our part. If we didn't have the right to bear arms we would already be like Australia and Canada. Those who can resist and refuse support to those that impose tyranny on us must.
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You can ask, but I don't need to.
I resist, sometimes it does make a difference. If enough people wake up and act accordingly in time. The truckers are making a difference. Peggy Hall is making a difference. Doctor Vernon Colemen is making a difference. JP Sears (Awaken) is making a difference. We have to do our part. If we didn't have the right to bear arms we would already be like Australia and Canada. Those who can resist and refuse support to those that impose tyranny on us must.
TRUE.
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The problem is that they are not actually purifying the virus. Just as they have changed the definition of "vaccine" they have changed the definition of "purification":
https://truthcomestolight.com/is-purification-of-a-virus-necessary-yes/
You have it backwards. YOU are changing the definition of "isolation" and "purification" to suit your denial.… but, as I have said, you can believe any damn thing you want.
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I was thinking about how God breathed a soul into Adam through his nose and breathed on the Apostles when giving them and their successors the ability to forgive sins. The thought that God created the nostrils and mouth to breath through and the contraceptive mentality the masking of the breathing is. It goes against the 5th Commandment and spits in the face of God. "You wonderfully designed my body with a nose and mouth to breathe through? Well I'm going to cover them up and not breathe as you intend."
Reading the following from a priest on the Rite of Baptism got me thinking about that:
The priest then breathes thrice upon the face of the person to be baptized and says once: Go out of him thou unclean spirit, and give place unto the Holy Ghost, the Paraclete. According to our corporeal birth we are children of wrath, and under the dominion of Satan. The evil spirit must be expelled; therefore the priest orders him to depart. The priest then breathes three times upon the child. This breathing signifies the communication of the new spiritual life. This breathing is done three times in memory of the Blessed Trinity, by which the new life is imparted; and it is done in the form of a cross, because Christ has redeemed us by his death on the cross. When the evil spirit has gone out from man, the Holy Ghost makes his abode in the man’s heart, and therefore the priest says: Give place unto the Holy Ghost the Paraclete. The ceremony of breathing was in use in the first ages of the Church, and Saint Augustine draws from it a proof of original sin.
Pardon the sarcasm but perhaps they should stop with the baptisms until this whole convids narrative goes away. (Seriously, I guess the NO has done away with this part or excludes it now as a safety measure. You know the unclean spirit is less dangerous than the convids).
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Just a reply to those who ask about just walking in despite the signs.
I was even thinking of chopping off my feet so other people won't get foot cancer.
This doesn’t even make sense.
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This doesn’t even make sense.
The narrative is that we are to get the injection so that others won't get the convides. I've taking it a step further. If me getting jabbed prevents others from getting sick. And if you can't get foot cancer if you have no feet. Wouldn't my cutting off my feet prevent others from getting foot cancer just like my getting jabbed prevents others from getting sick?
I'm trying to be as stupid as the official people with their official narrative. Very difficult to do I must admit.
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Actually, you succeeded.
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I'm sorry if this is off topic but I am trying to find help where I can get it. We don't mask and we cannot find an eye doctor that will take us. We have actually called down to Jacksonville Florida to see if they would take us and they would. It would be an 11 hour drive, non-stop, a stay at a hotel, appointment the next day, stay at the hotel and an 11 hour drive back plus the stops for eating and restroom, on a single income from a peon who could lose his job at any time because he won't get the inoculation.
Does anyone know where in NW Virginia or anywhere closer to that than Florida their might be an eye doctor who will see us if we refuse to suffocate ourselves.
I'm even open to getting a lawyer to help us if we can find one. Any advise, regarding eye doctors or lawyers would be very much appreciated.
P.S. - please do not try to convince me to wear a mask, I don't need that type of advise, I just need to know what is the closest doctor I can go to that I do not have to wear a mask.
There, that's better, would've saved everybody's time here.
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There, that's better, would've saved everybody's time here.
If I'm willing to travel 1000 miles each way to avoid it I would think that would be self-evident. Plus people like to talk about it I think.
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My wife and children are vehemently against them. They would think I was putting them through trouble if I made them wear them.
You are giving them good example and practice for standing up to the harder trials to come.
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My wife and children are vehemently against them. They would think I was putting them through trouble if I made them wear them.
So let's get this straight. You are the father of the family. You are the sole provider. Your job is currently at risk because of not having the Covid shots. You are willing to waste money to drive to Florida. If you lose your job, you will have no income. Your wife presumably doesn't go out to work. She therefore would not be able to support the family. You are letting the whims of your wife and children override common sense and prudence and your authority.
Have I missed anything?
Your wife and children NEED to put up with wearing masks. If for no other reason than to wake them up to the fact that YOU are responsible for them, and not the other way around. They need to be taught a lesson that sometimes it's not about what they want, but what is best for them in the long run.
I sure hope your wife is prepared and capable of going out to work. Otherwise, bills have a way of adding up quickly. But then if you have enough money to "get a lawyer" for this, you really don't get much of my sympathy. Sorry.
My own husband knows how much I hate wearing masks--and this despite decades of wearing them, an exemption, and the proper use and techniques with them. But I wear them occasionally *as a sign of respect* and act of charity for him, (and many others that are truly afraid, and aren't able to understand some things because of lack of medical background) and to not make a fuss and to add to the stress of his already over-stressed plate. (I both know the rules of wearing masks, and when they don't make any sense--but there are few people here on these forums with any medical background--that's why it's futile to discuss certain topics here--people too easily swallow misinformation and the latest "Jane Ruby" or Stew Peters' sensationalism podcasts and think they know things--well, they do, but it's all misinformation. But anyway...
We were hit very hard with Covid in our area, as were many parts of Canada. We also both had it, and it's REAL, and is NOT the flu, contrary to popular misbelief. It is starting to just be an endemic disease, which is good! There is light at the end of a long tunnel, and our country is opening up more fully.
But anyway, good luck in your pursuit, whatever it may be.
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Actually, you succeeded.
You took the words right outta my mouth.
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You can ask, but I don't need to.
I resist, sometimes it does make a difference. If enough people wake up and act accordingly in time. The truckers are making a difference. Peggy Hall is making a difference. Doctor Vernon Colemen is making a difference. JP Sears (Awaken) is making a difference. We have to do our part
I am with you on this. It has nought to do with pride, rather it is to do with honesty and integrity. Pretending is a form of dishonesty. In rare circuмstance, like if a loved one is under threat it might be justified, but continuing the charade gets us nowhere we want to go.
If we didn't have the right to bear arms we would already be like Australia and Canada. Those who can resist and refuse support to those that impose tyranny on us must.
I can’t speak for Canada, only for my part of Queensland, Australia. The majority play the masking game here but I have seen no evidence to paint the picture as bad as you seem to be having over there. The worst thing I have had is glares from a shopper or two, never a word from any staff in any business, except once when I went for an xray, the receptionist remarked that I should wear a mask. I simply replied, I don’t do that. No further questions asked.
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So let's get this straight. You are the father of the family. You are the sole provider. Your job is currently at risk because of not having the Covid shots. You are willing to waste money to drive to Florida. If you lose your job, you will have no income. Your wife presumably doesn't go out to work. She therefore would not be able to support the family. You are letting the whims of your wife and children override common sense and prudence and your authority.
Have I missed anything?
Your wife and children NEED to put up with wearing masks. If for no other reason than to wake them up to the fact that YOU are responsible for them, and not the other way around. They need to be taught a lesson that sometimes it's not about what they want, but what is best for them in the long run.
100% agree. Well said, Anne.
I hate wearing these damn things, but, it's a (really) small cross to bear in order to provide for my family and it's better than playing roulette with my health (and possibly soul) by taking the jabs.
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If I'm willing to travel 1000 miles each way to avoid it I would think that would be self-evident. Plus people like to talk about it I think.
As I suggested in I believe my first response to you, why not willingly wear the mask at the eye doctor, offer it up as a sacrifice (say for the Poor Souls) and take that money that you would have spent to get to Florida and have Masses said instead?
Since you also have deep enough pockets to want to hire a lawyer to presumably try to tell the eye doctor how he needs to run his business and follow his licensing body requirements (in order for HIM to keep HIS job), those lawyer fees would also cover a LOT OF MASSES. Gas, accomodation, food, lawyer fees--wow, you could have oodles of Mass Stipends (say $20 stipend offering for each Mass)--you will probably run out of Priests before you run out of stipends.
Or maybe actually losing your job (if it comes to that) will be an impetus to get you to rely more on Faith, who knows?
I would be the first one to tell my husband he is being ridiculous for wanting to drive to Florida from VA for just wanting to avoid wearing a mask in the eye doctor scenario. I would be the first one to suggest having Masses said instead. He also wouldn't consider driving from VA to Florida in the first place, but anyway...
Your situation reminds me of people that drive all the way across town to save money on a grocery item. The grocery item costs $5.00 in one store, but $4.50 in another. It will take them 15 minutes and $5.00 in gas to get to the other store, but they will go anyway, just to say that they "saved" money on their grocery item. LOL.
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As I suggested in I believe my first response to you, why not willingly wear the mask at the eye doctor, offer it up as a sacrifice (say for the Poor Souls) and take that money that you would have spent to get to Florida and have Masses said instead?
Since you also have deep enough pockets to want to hire a lawyer to presumably try to tell the eye doctor how he needs to run his business and follow his licensing body requirements (in order for HIM to keep HIS job), those lawyer fees would also cover a LOT OF MASSES. Gas, accomodation, food, lawyer fees--wow, you could have oodles of Mass Stipends (say $20 stipend offering for each Mass)--you will probably run out of Priests before you run out of stipends.
Or maybe actually losing your job (if it comes to that) will be an impetus to get you to rely more on Faith, who knows?
I would be the first one to tell my husband he is being ridiculous for wanting to drive to Florida from VA for just wanting to avoid wearing a mask in the eye doctor scenario. I would be the first one to suggest having Masses said instead. He also wouldn't consider driving from VA to Florida in the first place, but anyway...
Your situation reminds me of people that drive all the way across town to save money on a grocery item. The grocery item costs $5.00 in one store, but $4.50 in another. It will take them 15 minutes and $5.00 in gas to get to the other store, but they will go anyway, just to say that they "saved" money on their grocery item. LOL.
There is a bigger picture, a larger agenda taking place here.
It is a matter of principle.
Different people have different priorities and different lines in the sand.
In the very near future you will have to drive long distances to find a grocery store willing to sell to you.
Many will cave to demands and will mock those who don't.
It is coming step by incremental step.
In any case, he wasn't asking for your opinion on the matter.
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Cutting off your nose to spite your face is NOT a principled stand.
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You can ask, but I don't need to.
I resist, sometimes it does make a difference. If enough people wake up and act accordingly in time. The truckers are making a difference. Peggy Hall is making a difference. Doctor Vernon Colemen is making a difference. JP Sears (Awaken) is making a difference. We have to do our part. If we didn't have the right to bear arms we would already be like Australia and Canada. Those who can resist and refuse support to those that impose tyranny on us must.
I am so glad you have posted this! We have to resist no matter how small and be a strong example to those who have not the courage yet. I am not covering my face when it is needless and an outward sign of going along with the hypocrisy/lies. We all might do well to read about the gulags for the first time or a reread for those who haven't read about it for a while. Psychological warfare is a huge threat and the mask wearing is part of the agenda.
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It's a safe bet that everyone who is advocating for the communist mask mandates has already caved and is wearing masks whenever it would be an inconvenience for them to fight back. So you have to justify that somehow. I guess you just blow it off as the property owner's rights. Meanwhile the communists laugh at you. They don't laugh at the people who are fighting back.
I want to thank you for your posts Clemens Maria.
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There is a bigger picture, a larger agenda taking place here.
It is a matter of principle.
Different people have different priorities and different lines in the sand.
In the very near future you will have to drive long distances to find a grocery store willing to sell to you.
Many will cave to demands and will mock those who don't.
It is coming step by incremental step.
In any case, he wasn't asking for your opinion on the matter.
Thank you for your awesome posts and support Miser Peccator.
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I am so glad you have posted this! We have to resist no matter how small and be a strong example to those who have not the courage yet. I am not covering my face when it is needless and an outward sign of going along with the hypocrisy/lies. We all might do well to read about the gulags for the first time or a reread for those who haven't read about it for a while. Psychological warfare is a huge threat and the mask wearing is part of the agenda.
God bless you friend!
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A "right" is something you can do for yourself.
You have no "right" to force me or anyone to do anything for you. That's tyranny, slavery, not a "right."
Good point.
I've never heard this explained so clearly. It's brilliant.
We have the right to worship God, raise our children, etc. -- but that isn't putting a burden on anyone.
Saying "I have a right to an income", "A right to an abortion", etc. -- now you're affecting the livelihood or even the life of another human being. "Rights" don't work that way.
Exercising totalitarian control, micro-managing the lives of citizens, because this minority group has "the right to not be offended" or some BS -- another good example.
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I was thinking of rights and who has the “right” to do what to who. Some say we do not have the right obtain services from those serving the general public unless we bow to certain dictates. For instance, some will not serve you unless you are in shirt and shoes which is for safety (protecting your feet) and decency (at a barely minimal modest decorum). They say a barefoot or deshirted individual has no right to “force” someone to cater to them as they do to the general shoed and shirted public. This I can understand, for it makes sense. It does not negatively affect our health or go against any known religion.
Suppose those obliged to serve the public, and prevented from discriminating against others by law, insisted that they must not wear a turban or a kippa. Would the Muslims and Jєωs not have the “right” to “force” those serving the general public to serve them?
Suppose those obliged to serve the public, and prevented from discriminating against others by law, insisted they only serve those who could walk through the doors so that those who were bound to a wheelchair could not be served. Would the handicapped not have the “right” to “force” those serving the general public to serve them?
Suppose we could not see our parents in rest homes because we did not agree to suffocate ourselves. Who would have a legitimate “right” to prevent that? How would we then be “forcing” anyone to do anything that they do not have to do? Do they think the masking will magically end if no one resists?
As we know, breathing is vital for life. To reduce oxygen negatively effects the brain, lungs, heart, and blood. This results in headaches, in an increase or worsening of headaches, and strokes. An increase in respiratory problems, and heart problems. For many an increase of anxiety. The lack of oxygen to the blood can result in a benign cancer becoming active and spreading and increases the chance of getting cancer for those who do not have it.
One could say that one of the most basic God given rights is to breathe unencuмbered. Once we give that right away, what right do we have left?
We are fighting not only for our own rights, but for the rights of those in stores and health centers who seek to take away that right from us. Those who have to wear the demonic ritualistic face covering all day. Those who get bacteria on their face, and in their mouth and gums and breathe the stuff in their own eyes because of the forced face diaper wearing. Those who die the slow death which results from hypoxia and hypoxemia because they succuмb to the tyranny and do not try to stem it.
Who was it that said evil prevails not so much because of evil people, but because of good people who are not good enough? Perhaps when seeing those standing up for the most basic God-given rights of all, we should, instead of claiming they are crazy or ego driven, try to support or emulate them. At the very least, we should avoid speaking out against those who are trying to help us all. We do not support those who refused to give us service (but will serve us now if we chose not to suffocate ourselves). Such as when we entered restaurants when they just opened and no one else was there. And they would not let us walk from the hostess stand to the table a few feet away unless we wore the suffocation device, to only immediately take it off to drink our water. We will never support Ruth Chris, Outback, Red Robin or Costco again. If enough people hit those that feel the need to enforce tyranny where it counts this world would be a much better place. If the puppets in-between the Tyrants and the people they serve would look to themselves and not try to enforce bad health on others the world would be a much better place.
What would happen if everyone stopped flying when they started treating everyone as if they were a terrorist, if everyone stopped supporting the most tyrannical of corporations, if all employees walked out rather than succuмbing to tyranny, forcing the corporations to recant rather than cease existing? There is something about “united we stand and divided we fall” saying that has an accurate ring to it.
Indeed, breathing and not allowing ourselves to be injected with poison is not putting a burden on anyone.
We have a right not to submit to totalitarian control whether they seek to control our breathing or what we put in our very veins. Being that majority group called the human race has both the right to breathe and to have control over what enters their veins without being discriminated against for that reason. If they did not have that right, then rights are a thing of the past.
Do we not want our children to grow up in a world where they can walk about freely without being forced to suffocate themselves? Do we want them to live in a world where they will not be able to support themselves unless they can be forcibly injected with a potential witch’s brew? If not, then what are we doing to delay or prevent that from happening?
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I am with you on this. It has nought to do with pride, rather it is to do with honesty and integrity. Pretending is a form of dishonesty. In rare circuмstance, like if a loved one is under threat it might be justified, but continuing the charade gets us nowhere we want to go.
I can’t speak for Canada, only for my part of Queensland, Australia. The majority play the masking game here but I have seen no evidence to paint the picture as bad as you seem to be having over there. The worst thing I have had is glares from a shopper or two, never a word from any staff in any business, except once when I went for an xray, the receptionist remarked that I should wear a mask. I simply replied, I don’t do that. No further questions asked.
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Thank you for this awesome response and information ma'am! I have seen some videos on Australia that are horrific if true. I hope they were fake or what I saw does not spread to you.
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Great post, lover of truth. Thank you for it.
Our posts coincided. Yes those horrific scenes are sadly true. I will try to write more later.
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I was thinking …
…not very clearly.
As an individual you indeed have a right to do anything not a crime and believe what you choose.
As an individual you have NO right to force anyone else to do or believe anything.
You may have the POWER (point of a gun, a mob) to force another, but you do NOT have a right.
A nation's government/leader(s) has NO "rights," but is EMPOWERED by the individuals of a society WHO SURRENDER SOME RIGHTS in order to EMPOWER the government/leader(s) to use force on behalf of the nation's "social contract." Not every use of force (e.g., defending abortions) is legitimate because not every use of force is consistent with the Social Reign of Christ the King.
The eye doctor has the RIGHT to choose whom he serves. He is not "obliged" to serve your whims or the whims of anyone else or any other group.
Your arguments betray muddled thinking and distinctly anti-Catholic pseudo-pious rationalizations—in a couple of words, "Socialist rubbish."
You have a RIGHT to resist being jabbed with a bioweapon and/or abortion-tainted products.
You do NOT have a right to force your maskless diktat on the eye doctor's property.
Shop elsewhere.
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…not very clearly.
You lost me at the above and I did not read further. I'm quite sure I would have enjoyed whatever else you had to say if we both were different people. Please know that I appreciate the effort and don't doubt that you are a wonderful individual apart from all your faults. With the deepest sincerity and whatever else I should have, I wish you long life, the wind always at your face without much getting in your eye, may the door ever hit your backs on the way out, various types of other things, and your riddance be a good one. May the black witch of the northern mountains, and all the male females sing your praises and bring you the honor and glory you deserve. May your peaks be ever higher and your valleys ever low and please don't tell me you did not read this. My mommy promised you would read this after I finished crying to her.
I'm not crying like a baby like one who always cries and threatens to take her ball and go home in order to garner sympathy, only to promptly return with her disturbing manly mannerisms. I don't post much, but was seeking help. I don't like blogs much and tend not to waste my time on them. But I will check this since it was my post. I may respond to those who act Catholic to me however.
This should result in others showing their true colors as I am not liked very much by feeneyites and SVs and others who do not know me well, and any following posts should be amusing. I like there to be a little pizazz to my threads which is why I sometimes enjoy setting myself up to be knocked down.
They only times I do not like it is when they are people of like mind that I respect and admire who decide I am no longer worthy of their company. There is only one blog in existence that bothers me being kicked off of for holding the truth up to the light in the hopes their would be clarification to what I found somewhat puzzling. Only my immediate family and my few real friends I had on that blog can hurt me. So please do not worry about offending me. Let it rip and try to set me straight some more. I might even read it. Just be careful how you start it out. If you want to really get me, start out cordial and polite and save the gut punch for the end.
But seriously, please know that I hold you in as high regard as you hold me and send this with all the charity wherewith you respond to me.
Please feel free to carry on.
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I'm sorry if this is off topic but I am trying to find help where I can get it...
Does anyone know where in NW Virginia or anywhere closer to that than Florida their might be an eye doctor who will see us if we refuse to suffocate ourselves.
Everyone should have known immediately that this thread would be a hot and complete mess. LoT apologizes within the OP for the possibility that the post might be off-topic!! His post IS the topic!! HeL-Lo-O, McFly!!! :fryingpan:
As for info about eye docs, there are numerous rather conservative enclaves between northwest VA and Jax -- within VA itself, WV, NC, SC, or GA. Finding one shouldn't be all that hard and the online/phone book search could have been conducted and concluded far faster than engaging in the various oh-so-fruitful exchanges within this largely-useless thread.
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Actually, you succeeded.
:laugh2: Indeed.
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:laugh2: Indeed.
Gladius you are my man, even if you don't realize it. You are one of the people I admire around here.
May God bless you and
Our Lady keep you,
John
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Everyone should have known immediately that this thread would be a hot and complete mess. LoT apologizes within the OP for the possibility that the post might be off-topic!! His post IS the topic!! HeL-Lo-O, McFly!!! :fryingpan:
As for info about eye docs, there are numerous rather conservative enclaves between northwest VA and Jax -- within VA itself, WV, NC, SC, or GA. Finding one shouldn't be all that hard and the online/phone book search could have been conducted and concluded far faster than engaging in the various oh-so-fruitful exchanges within this largely-useless thread.
There were very good posts by a few people bright enough to get it. Read carefully. Love your work.
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You lost me at the above and I did not read further. …blah, blah, blah… I may respond to those who act Catholic to me however. … blah, blah, blah
Several here promoted a distinctly ANTI-Catholic claim of "rights" to control the PRIVATE property of others.
"Acting Catholic" includes correcting ANTI-Catholic praxis and theory.
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When I was a kid, I wore masks all the time shoveling grain inside bins. Little did I know that by doing so I was aiding and abetting communist ideology.
:facepalm:
Generally, I don’t wear masks, even when now mandated to do so. But I also don’t consider it to be crossing the Rubicon (it was crossed a long time ago). That being said, I can not even begin to understand how standing one’s anti-mask ground is more important than receiving needed medical care, as has been admitted by some in this thread. Reminds me of a bicyclist who refuses to check both directions when passing through an intersection when said bicyclist has a green light, but gets killed by a car running a red; said bicyclist was dead right.
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Gladius you are my man, even if you don't realize it. You are one of the people I admire around here.
May God bless you and
Our Lady keep you,
John
Thank you for the kind words. God bless you, too, amigo. Godspeed in these crazy times.
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Thank you for the kind words. God bless you, too, amigo. Godspeed in these crazy times.
You don't know how much that meant to me Gladius. Godspeed to you as well. Sometimes I feel these times are too crazy for me to handle. Keep me in your prayers.
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…not very clearly.
As an individual you indeed have a right to do anything not a crime and believe what you choose.
As an individual you have NO right to force anyone else to do or believe anything.
You may have the POWER (point of a gun, a mob) to force another, but you do NOT have a right.
A nation's government/leader(s) has NO "rights," but is EMPOWERED by the individuals of a society WHO SURRENDER SOME RIGHTS in order to EMPOWER the government/leader(s) to use force on behalf of the nation's "social contract." Not every use of force (e.g., defending abortions) is legitimate because not every use of force is consistent with the Social Reign of Christ the King.
The eye doctor has the RIGHT to choose whom he serves. He is not "obliged" to serve your whims or the whims of anyone else or any other group.
Your arguments betray muddled thinking and distinctly anti-Catholic pseudo-pious rationalizations—in a couple of words, "Socialist rubbish."
You have a RIGHT to resist being jabbed with a bioweapon and/or abortion-tainted products.
You do NOT have a right to force your maskless diktat on the eye doctor's property.
Shop elsewhere.
Please accept my sincerest apology for everything I said. (That does not mean I agree with what you say, I do not).
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Here are some videos, one better than the next:
Mass Formation Psychosis - 5 Things You Need to Know!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQChw_Rk1Kk&t=558s
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The SSPX and Bitter Fruit: Look Who’s Talking (Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUtxpuOeAYo&ab_channel=Rev.AnthonyCekada
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This one brought tears to my eyes:
St. Pius X Sermon Excerpt by Bp. Sanborn, Stirring!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRqeK1mkwwQ&t=225s
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This is an interesting video on Trump. It is sad that he is the clear better choice in the last election. The best electable choice this country can offer. I was turned off when I saw him stand with a big grin with the pride flag early in his term. I knew our country would accelerate down the toilet much faster if the fascists put his opponent in office. He did what he thought he had to do in order to get elected, and he won. But wasn't allowed to keep his office. I would not be worried about losing my job if they allowed him to keep his office.
I like that he doesn't cower to the MSM like many ridiculous republicans. All that being said, I have been aware from the start that he isn't the greatest individual. I don't vote, but were I to I would have voted for him in this election. Simply to slow our flush into the feces. I just would have liked it slowed and delayed for 4 more years so I could retire and pick a place to isolate ourselves more securely so we can eek out the remainder of this life in relative peace.
I do what little I can to fight off the tyranny but we keep fighting each other instead of them. And the devil laughs.
As the following video shows, I am under no illusion about this man. But he wouldn't have "mandated" the inoculation, and would have stemmed the tide of illegals flooding our country and kept pro-life laws on the books:
http://brothernathanaelfoundation.org/videos