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Offline SeanJohnson

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Extreme Long Range Shooting
« on: August 31, 2019, 05:29:58 PM »
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    • My choice: Great blend of value and capability (You May have to view it on YouTube):

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    Re: Extreme Long Range Shooting
    « Reply #1 on: September 01, 2019, 09:26:42 AM »
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    • A vid from NutNFancy?  More like, NutNIWouldListenTo...  He's so full of himself, and his vids make me seasick.

    If interested in ELR shooting, first check out this Sniper 101 series by TiborsaurusRex...



    Then graduate on to MarkandSam After Work...

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs3sYk1tuP5Er95EniC-uMw

    Insance Accuracy ain't all that bad either...

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjugohMnDs4q2EiEv7Qs40w

    Good shootin'
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    Re: Extreme Long Range Shooting
    « Reply #2 on: September 01, 2019, 09:28:48 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on August 31, 2019, 05:29:58 PM
    My choice: Great blend of value and capability (You May have to view it on YouTube):


    Do you own that gun?
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    Re: Extreme Long Range Shooting
    « Reply #3 on: September 01, 2019, 09:31:47 AM »
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    • Yes
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    Re: Extreme Long Range Shooting
    « Reply #4 on: September 01, 2019, 09:37:34 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on September 01, 2019, 09:31:47 AM
    Yes
    Very nice. I’m not into that type of shooting, but I’m sure you have fun doing it. I just like plinking with 22’s and shooting clay pigeons. 
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    Re: Extreme Long Range Shooting
    « Reply #5 on: September 01, 2019, 11:32:06 AM »
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    • You can get a Remington 700 ADL with a 26 inch heavy barrel in .223 and .308 cal for only around $435 at Buds gun shop (online). It has a camo synthetic stock and it come with a scope, but more than like those scopes are replaced, but I've read some people keep them because they do the job.
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    Re: Extreme Long Range Shooting
    « Reply #6 on: September 01, 2019, 11:43:17 AM »
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    • Quote from: Jєωs Did 911 on September 01, 2019, 11:32:06 AM
    You can get a Remington 700 ADL with a 26 inch heavy barrel in .223 and .308 cal for only around $435 at Buds gun shop (online). It has a camo synthetic stock and it come with a scope, but more than like those scopes are replaced, but I've read some people keep them because they do the job.
    I like those guns/calibers, but they don’t really qualify as ELD options.
    Longest kill in Afghanistan in .308 was just over 1,300 yards.
    Conversely, .338 LM can hit a target at 2 miles, and claims the longest recorded kill shot ever.
    My fault for not defining ELD/ELR though (generally 1+ miles).
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    Re: Extreme Long Range Shooting
    « Reply #7 on: September 01, 2019, 12:10:31 PM »
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    • Very true. At least with the .308, you can get semi long distance shots that retain good energy, and inexpensively. .223 will give you good flatness and with the 26 inch heavy barrel, more velocity and higher than usual energy compared to standard .223 ballistics, and also inexpensively.

    .338 Lapua is a true long range, high energy cartridge, but very expensive.
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    Re: Extreme Long Range Shooting
    « Reply #8 on: September 01, 2019, 12:15:16 PM »
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    • Cheapet price that AmmoSeek has .338 Lapua Mag is $1.94 a round. Unless a shooter is a multi-millionaire, he better reload, if he shoots a lot of them. Even reloading those rounds is probably a lot more costly than buying .308 & .223 ammo off the shelf.
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    Re: Extreme Long Range Shooting
    « Reply #9 on: September 01, 2019, 12:20:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jєωs Did 911 on September 01, 2019, 11:32:06 AM
    You can get a Remington 700 ADL with a 26 inch heavy barrel in .223 and .308 cal for only around $435 at Buds gun shop (online). It has a camo synthetic stock and it come with a scope, but more than like those scopes are replaced, but I've read some people keep them because they do the job.

    You get what you pay for.  And with Remington, q/c has gone down the toilet.  I really wouldn't buy anything made by them in the last 10 years (if not 20).  If you get the chance, grab a Remmy made in the mid-70's and compare it a Remmy made from the mid-200's until today.  Night-and-day difference.
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    Re: Extreme Long Range Shooting
    « Reply #10 on: September 01, 2019, 12:32:55 PM »
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    • The issue with Remington is the Marlins suffering in poor quality after Freedom Group bought out Remington & Marlin, and subsequently Remington making the Marlins. Marlins' quality suffered a lot because they moved manufacturing to a different state. At the very least, the tooling & machining was not up to par. I heard the original manufacturing plant sabotaged the tooling & machine when they learned they were losing their jobs after Freedom Group bought them out. Who knows if it's true, but the quality of the Marlins definitely suffered when Remington started making them.

    The Remington 700 rifles never suffered. They've retained high customer reviews. The ADL doesn't have the same quality finish as the BDL & CDL models, that's why it's less expensive, but it retains the same superior 700 action and, to my knowledge, barrels.

    Remington even has great reviews on their 1911s, and RM380, and their RP series pistols.

    They still make great shotguns, too.
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    Re: Extreme Long Range Shooting
    « Reply #11 on: September 01, 2019, 02:08:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jєωs Did 911 on September 01, 2019, 12:32:55 PM
    The issue with Remington is the Marlins suffering in poor quality after Freedom Group bought out Remington & Marlin, and subsequently Remington making the Marlins. Marlins' quality suffered a lot because they moved manufacturing to a different state. At the very least, the tooling & machining was not up to par. I heard the original manufacturing plant sabotaged the tooling & machine when they learned they were losing their jobs after Freedom Group bought them out. Who knows if it's true, but the quality of the Marlins definitely suffered when Remington started making them.

    The Remington 700 rifles never suffered. They've retained high customer reviews. The ADL doesn't have the same quality finish as the BDL & CDL models, that's why it's less expensive, but it retains the same superior 700 action and, to my knowledge, barrels.

    Remington even has great reviews on their 1911s, and RM380, and their RP series pistols.

    They still make great shotguns, too.

    The Rem 700's have never suffered?  Don't know where you get your information to support that statement.  Like I said, take one from 40 years ago and compare it to one made in the last 10.  Night-and-day difference.  My smith won't even work on a Rem 700 made in the past 10-15 years... he's said that the ones that have come into his shop are so out spec, good luck trying to get an after-market barrel on them with their horrible threads, and it's futile to try to true/blue-print them. 

    If all you're interested in is shooting some deer at 100yds, sure, they'll work.  Beyond that, it's essentially the luck of the draw as to what sort of rifle you'll get.
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    Re: Extreme Long Range Shooting
    « Reply #12 on: September 01, 2019, 02:46:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on September 01, 2019, 11:43:17 AM
    Conversely, .338 LM can hit a target at 2 miles, and claims the longest recorded kill shot ever.

    Actually, longest (and second longest) kill shot was with a 50 BMG. (7 out of the top 10 longest kill shots were with a 50 BMG).  

    As for the longest .338 Lapua kill shot @ ~2,700 yds (~1.5 miles), it was with an Accuracy International L115A3, a rifle set-up coming in at just under $40k.    

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    Re: Extreme Long Range Shooting
    « Reply #13 on: September 01, 2019, 04:50:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: Bonaventure on September 01, 2019, 02:46:16 PM
    Actually, longest (and second longest) kill shot was with a 50 BMG. (7 out of the top 10 longest kill shots were with a 50 BMG).  

    As for the longest .338 Lapua kill shot @ ~2,700 yds (~1.5 miles), it was with an Accuracy International L115A3, a rifle set-up coming in at just under $40k.    

    Is there a lay-away plan? :laugh1:
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    Re: Extreme Long Range Shooting
    « Reply #14 on: September 01, 2019, 05:44:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jєωs Did 911 on September 01, 2019, 12:10:31 PM
    Very true. At least with the .308, you can get semi long distance shots that retain good energy, and inexpensively. .223 will give you good flatness and with the 26 inch heavy barrel, more velocity and higher than usual energy compared to standard .223 ballistics, and also inexpensively.

    .338 Lapua is a true long range, high energy cartridge, but very expensive.
    Even my best handloads of .308 (Berger 185gn Juggernauts, H4895 40.5gn, CCI BR2, Lapua brass) cost only $1/rd with virgin brass, while my .338LM, though less than the best Berger commercial  $5/rd, still run about $4/rd with virgin brass (Berger 300gn OTM Hybrid, Retumbo 90.5gn, CCI LR Mag, Lapua brass).
    Stepping up to .375CT, .416 Barrett, and .50BMG is even more pricey, but necessary if you want to be KO2M (King of 2 Mile).
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