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Offline graceseeker

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  • I really believe that some of these priests who are members of secret societies and put that membership first

    are incapable of confecting the hosts, transubstantiating them... (if that's a word)... no red squigglies... 

    so anyway..

    I have been to Churches where I either didn't feel a strong presence of Christ or... there was also a diabolical presence there.. which seemed to dominate. I don't know.. which is why I posted this.. I don't know

    God can be mysterious..

    But it says his eyes are too holy to look upon sin... Jesus looked upon it, though... I feel confused at times..

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    Re: Do you think some priests have lost ability to confect hosts?
    « Reply #1 on: April 10, 2018, 12:57:00 PM »
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  • maybe they can still confect the bread but the Presence doesn't STAY. I have felt the Real Presence in one Church then later in the day (no sins committed) experienced the real  absence in another Church


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    Re: Do you think some priests have lost ability to confect hosts?
    « Reply #2 on: April 24, 2018, 04:18:47 PM »
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  • again:

    looks like a lot of people here are more interested in :fryingpan: the Jews

    than just about any other topic

    weird

    no wonder Jesus and the saints say few make it tO heaven... whole lotta hatin' goin' on

    Offline Theosist

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    Re: Do you think some priests have lost ability to confect hosts?
    « Reply #3 on: May 01, 2018, 05:25:30 PM »
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  • I don’t know of a reason they could become incapable in the sense of being essentially deprived of this priestly power (is there a scholastic term for this?). Incapable due to a persistent defect of intention that isn’t filled by the Novus Ordo form, because of an absence of belief in or knowledge of what the mass is, now that I could understand. If you have some apostate saying masses he believes to be mere re-enactments of the Last Supper as a meal - how could that be valid? But if he really wanted to offer the sacrifice of Calvary to the Father in the transubstatiated body and blood, with proper form, what would prevent him?

    Anything else I could think of would be walking the knife’s edge of Donatism.

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    Re: Do you think some priests have lost ability to confect hosts?
    « Reply #4 on: July 20, 2018, 05:07:23 PM »
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  • Fortunately, the sacraments operate according to the Divine Will, not the subjective feelings about Christ's presence of absence by someone on the internet. 
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir


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    Re: Do you think some priests have lost ability to confect hosts?
    « Reply #5 on: July 20, 2018, 06:16:34 PM »
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  • Fortunately, the sacraments operate according to the Divine Will, not the subjective feelings about Christ's presence of absence by someone on the internet.
    Graceseeker has long been banned, notably for drinking the Fox News neocon Kool-Aid and her incessant rambling posting all the time.
     
    There's a famous Protestant hymn/worship song/? called I Need Thee Every Hour. Certainly, we did not need graceseeker every hour, no matter how much she thought so.

    In other words, it's good to see you back. Hope you're well and God bless.
    There is a God, but there probably is no Pope Francis.

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    Re: Do you think some priests have lost ability to confect hosts?
    « Reply #6 on: July 20, 2018, 07:24:58 PM »
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  • Ability to confect the Host is present if the priest is validly ordained.  One's feelings have NOTHING to do with it.  Catholic ladies, let's study our Catechism.  Feminine intuition can be very useful, but not with matters of doctrine.   

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    Re: Do you think some priests have lost ability to confect hosts?
    « Reply #7 on: July 20, 2018, 07:48:47 PM »
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  • Fortunately, the sacraments operate according to the Divine Will, not the subjective feelings about Christ's presence of absence by someone on the internet.
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    Great to see you, Sigismund. I was going to say "you should post more often" but the fact you were downthumbed for saying this explains why not, I guess.
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    Re: Do you think some priests have lost ability to confect hosts?
    « Reply #8 on: July 20, 2018, 10:42:59 PM »
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    Great to see you, Sigismund. I was going to say "you should post more often" but the fact you were downthumbed for saying this explains why not, I guess.
    I've just fixed the balance! Great to see you again Sigismund after a long spell.

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    Re: Do you think some priests have lost ability to confect hosts?
    « Reply #9 on: July 21, 2018, 04:22:09 AM »
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  • Once a priest always a priest
    Ex opere operantis Christi. = the sacraments are works of Christ. It is not the priest who makes the host become the body of Christ it is Christ himself operating through the priest that causes the bread to become the body and blood of Christ. It is not the supposed holiness of the priest that causes the sacraments it is the holiness of Christ.
     

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    Re: Do you think some priests have lost ability to confect hosts?
    « Reply #10 on: July 21, 2018, 06:37:50 AM »
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  • The question shouldn't be "Can a priest lose the ability..." but whether the Novus Ordo priests are even Catholic priests in the first place given the substantial changes Paul VI made to the New Rite of Episcopal Consecration.
    If any one saith, that the ceremonies, vestments, and outward signs, which the Catholic Church makes use of in the celebration of masses, are incentives to impiety, rather than offices of piety; let him be anathema. - Council of Trent


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    Re: Do you think some priests have lost ability to confect hosts?
    « Reply #11 on: July 21, 2018, 07:38:21 AM »
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  • I had hoped that once graceseeker got banned, these threads would just die out. It seems they’ll haunt us forever :|

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    Re: Do you think some priests have lost ability to confect hosts?
    « Reply #12 on: July 21, 2018, 10:59:25 AM »
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  • LOL, I knew someone who had been present at the consecration of Bishop Dolan.  Someone questioned the validity (due to the Thuc line controversy), and he responded with, "I felt the Holy Spirit there".

    :laugh1:

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    Re: Do you think some priests have lost ability to confect hosts?
    « Reply #13 on: July 21, 2018, 11:11:30 AM »
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  • LOL, I knew someone who had been present at the consecration of Bishop Dolan.  Someone questioned the validity (due to the Thuc line controversy), and he responded with, "I felt the Holy Spirit there".

    :laugh1:
    Now that is comforting thought............................. :laugh2:

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    Re: Do you think some priests have lost ability to confect hosts?
    « Reply #14 on: July 21, 2018, 11:10:38 PM »
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  • LOL, I knew someone who had been present at the consecration of Bishop Dolan.  Someone questioned the validity (due to the Thuc line controversy), and he responded with, "I felt the Holy Spirit there".

    :laugh1:
    I think you need more than "feeling the Holy Spirit" for a sacrament to be valid.

     

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