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Traditional Catholic Faith => The Catholic Bunker => Topic started by: Viva Cristo Rey on January 18, 2022, 11:23:55 AM
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I guess I was thinking about my Great grandparents. There was no television, cartoons etc. It seemed they were very good Catholics praying often and were always working and had various skills. Huge families too and very family oriented.
They had few books including a bible and of course rosaries. Times were hard but life was less complicated. (The devil makes life confusing and complicated. )
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Yes
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Do we spend too much time on leisure?
Without a doubt!!!! Internet, video games, TV, movies, sports, hero worship of musicians, actors, athletes. Starbucks, fast food, pre-made foods, chips, snacks, ice cream ALL just one minute away. Pornography, mind altering meds and illegal drugs.... Cars, Dish washers, washing machines, air conditioning, public safety ALL give us free time for all that garbage that only the super rich could have before:
But when the fit hits the shan, I suspect that that easy life will be all over.
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I was just speaking to my husband about this.
Do you have any particular good ideas to fill about an hour of time per night?
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I was just speaking to my husband about this.
Do you have any particular good ideas to fill about an hour of time per night?
YES. EXERCISE! Go for an evening walk with your husband, or a run. Take your children if you have any, and make it a family affair. Whatever you do, the key is consistency!
The benefits of exercise will far outweigh any you will obtain from being inside.
Take my challenge: It takes on average 30 days to start a new habit. So for 30 days, go for a walk each evening for 1 hour, and then come back in 30 days and report how your life has changed for the better.
I guarantee you will be sleeping better, eating better, working better, looking better, etc.
Just think: If someone is here 1 year, how many hours does that total? 2 Years? 5 years? 10 years? 15 years?
Do you know how many people could have completely changed their lives around? Lost weight? Got fit? Reduced their risks for heart disease? Made more money? Improved their health?
You do not want to waste years of your life on a place like this. You just don't. At the end of your life, you will not be saying to yourself, "Gee, I wish I spent more time on the forums." NO! You will be saying, "I wish I had learned piano, got fit, learned French or Italian, and so on."
Treat this place like a drive-thru and not the main meal.
God bless,
Anne.
P.S. And if your husband doesn't want to walk? Find a friend to go with you and take the kids or whatever. JUST GO!
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According to St. Thomas, one of the reasons the contemplative life is more excellent than the active life is that the contemplative life consists in leisure and rest. The pre-industrial laborer generally had much more leisure time than we have today. The problem isn't too much leisure, but filling the time with things that debase us rather than elevate us.
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You do not want to waste years of your life on a place like this. You just don't. At the end of your life, you will not be saying to yourself, "Gee, I wish I spent more time on the forums." NO! You will be saying, "I wish I had learned piano, got fit, learned French or Italian, and so on."
Treat this place like a drive-thru and not the main meal.
God bless,
Anne.
What's wrong, exactly, with a 'place like this'? If it's really so bad here, why are you posting?
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According to St. Thomas, one of the reasons the contemplative life is more excellent than the active life is that the contemplative life consists in leisure and rest. The pre-industrial laborer generally had much more leisure time than we have today. The problem isn't too much leisure, but filling the time with things that debase us rather than elevate us.
I agree. It also depends on how you define "leisure". To me, leisure = free time, which is best spent on hobbies, reading, praying, learning, the arts, and yes...even entertainment. Moderation. If someone uses "leisure" to sit around all day, that's just laziness. On the other hand, if you like to sit around all day, and you disguise this by "reading holy books" this can ALSO be lazy.
One could argue, as Thomas Walsh wrote in his book, that the 13th is the "greatest of centuries". It was the height of Christendom, the height of Catholic living and an ordered life focused on God. It was also the height of the arts, and architecture, music, stain-glass windows, etc.
Many nowadays would classify "the arts" as leisure. They might be right, as it's not physical labor/work. But leisure time is not necessarily laziness nor wrong. It all depends on what you're doing.
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I agree. It also depends on how you define "leisure". To me, leisure = free time, which is best spent on hobbies, reading, praying, learning, the arts, and yes...even entertainment. Moderation. If someone uses "leisure" to sit around all day, that's just laziness. On the other hand, if you like to sit around all day, and you disguise this by "reading holy books" this can ALSO be lazy.
One could argue, as Thomas Walsh wrote in his book, that the 13th is the "greatest of centuries". It was the height of Christendom, the height of Catholic living and an ordered life focused on God. It was also the height of the arts, and architecture, music, stain-glass windows, etc.
Many nowadays would classify "the arts" as leisure. They might be right, as it's not physical labor/work. But leisure time is not necessarily laziness nor wrong. It all depends on what you're doing.
THIS^^^ ... it all depends on how you define leisure and what you use the leisure time for.
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Sometimes I go on YouTube on my phone , click on an adoration of the blessed sacrament and pray .
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I agree. It also depends on how you define "leisure". To me, leisure = free time, which is best spent on hobbies, reading, praying, learning, the arts, and yes...even entertainment. Moderation. If someone uses "leisure" to sit around all day, that's just laziness. On the other hand, if you like to sit around all day, and you disguise this by "reading holy books" this can ALSO be lazy.
One could argue, as Thomas Walsh wrote in his book, that the 13th is the "greatest of centuries". It was the height of Christendom, the height of Catholic living and an ordered life focused on God. It was also the height of the arts, and architecture, music, stain-glass windows, etc.
Many nowadays would classify "the arts" as leisure. They might be right, as it's not physical labor/work. But leisure time is not necessarily laziness nor wrong. It all depends on what you're doing.
Yes, it's easy to look at leisure time and think it is an evil in itself, but has everything to do with how we spend that time, not that we have the time. We aren't Protestants who think we must be working always. I take it as a great blessing to have leisure time, which, honestly, is actually pretty few and far between if you have multiple kids and work 45-50 hours per week.
Without a doubt!!!! Internet, video games, TV, movies, sports, hero worship of musicians, actors, athletes. Starbucks, fast food, pre-made foods, chips, snacks, ice cream ALL just one minute away[....] Cars, Dish washers, washing machines, air conditioning, public safety ALL give us free time for all that garbage that only the super rich could have before:
But when the fit hits the shan, I suspect that that easy life will be all over.
Sure, they can lead to vice. But many of these things are great blessings from God, especially since we have much less time for leisure than any other point in human history today. It's almost like we have to be busy with something, either at an employer or running a business or making ends meet. There's a reason people are so stressed out and suicidal these days.
And honestly, if it weren't for internet, I would not have converted to true Catholicism, or even become Catholic at all. Most of us, unless raised traditional, probably wouldn't be traditional Catholics.
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We aren't Protestants who think we must be working always.
Very, very true. The old protestant saying "Time is money" is totally anti-catholic and quite materialistic.
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You do not want to waste years of your life on a place like this. You just don't. At the end of your life, you will not be saying to yourself, "Gee, I wish I spent more time on the forums." NO! You will be saying, "I wish I had learned piano, got fit, learned French or Italian, and so on."
What's wrong, exactly, with a 'place like this'? If it's really so bad here, why are you posting?
When compared to learning piano, being outdoors, learning French or Italian, learning bookkeeping, carpentry, learning to repair things around the house, learning a new business and so on, posting nothings and arguing with people about nothing of importance here on CI is a waste of time.
One should be very careful what they occupy their time with on CI, if one is here to learn or teach, that is good, but if one is here to vegetate like channel surfing on TV, than it is a royal waste of time.
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especially since we have much less time for leisure than any other point in human history today.
I disagree completely, the reality is the complete opposite, we have more leisure time than any point in history. The people that are "stressed", are so because they live disordered lives seeking after riches, fame, women, toys....
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When compared to learning piano, being outdoors, learning French or Italian, learning bookkeeping, carpentry, learning to repair things around the house, learning a new business and so on, posting nothings and arguing with people about nothing of importance here on CI is a waste of time.
In the grand scheme of things, learning any one of those hobbies is as much a waste of time as "surfing" CI. At least here the discussion is (mostly) centred around the things of God, the Catholic faith, not one of those hobbies is God-centric, but Man-centric.
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In the grand scheme of things, learning any one of those hobbies is as much a waste of time as "surfing" CI. At least here the discussion is (mostly) centred around the things of God, the Catholic faith, not one of those hobbies is God-centric, but Man-centric.
Can't argue with that.
But we do need to provide for our families and learning new trades is not like learning the piano or surfing. Learning new trades at the very least can save one money in repair bills around the house. At the very best it can lead to a new profession or sideline job.
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YES. EXERCISE! Go for an evening walk with your husband, or a run. Take your children if you have any, and make it a family affair. Whatever you do, the key is consistency!
The benefits of exercise will far outweigh any you will obtain from being inside.
Take my challenge: It takes on average 30 days to start a new habit. So for 30 days, go for a walk each evening for 1 hour, and then come back in 30 days and report how your life has changed for the better.
I guarantee you will be sleeping better, eating better, working better, looking better, etc.
Just think: If someone is here 1 year, how many hours does that total? 2 Years? 5 years? 10 years? 15 years?
Do you know how many people could have completely changed their lives around? Lost weight? Got fit? Reduced their risks for heart disease? Made more money? Improved their health?
You do not want to waste years of your life on a place like this. You just don't. At the end of your life, you will not be saying to yourself, "Gee, I wish I spent more time on the forums." NO! You will be saying, "I wish I had learned piano, got fit, learned French or Italian, and so on."
Treat this place like a drive-thru and not the main meal.
God bless,
Anne.
P.S. And if your husband doesn't want to walk? Find a friend to go with you and take the kids or whatever. JUST GO!
Thanks! I already have an exercise routine. I was looking more for suggestions along the lines of a new skill. Course, when spring comes around we will be working our garden so maybe something for winter.
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YES. EXERCISE! Go for an evening walk with your husband, or a run. Take your children if you have any, and make it a family affair. Whatever you do, the key is consistency!
The benefits of exercise will far outweigh any you will obtain from being inside.
Yes, I just came back from an hour walk with my 4yr old. He loves going on walks with me so he can tell me all about his ideas and dreams.
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I guess I was thinking about my Great grandparents. There was no television, cartoons etc. It seemed they were very good Catholics praying often and were always working and had various skills. Huge families too and very family oriented.
They had few books including a bible and of course rosaries. Times were hard but life was less complicated. (The devil makes life confusing and complicated. )
Maybe we should define your use of the word and the go from there.
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Can't argue with that.
But we do need to provide for our families and learning new trades is not like learning the piano or surfing. Learning new trades at the very least can save one money in repair bills around the house. At the very best it can lead to a new profession or sideline job.
Absolutely. I'm not trying to dismiss any trades or anything. I certainly don't want my kids to be internet surfers when they're grown, that's for sure.
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Exodus 20:9,10 (https://www.biblehub.com/exodus/20-9.htm)
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: …
Exodus 23:12 (https://www.biblehub.com/exodus/23-12.htm)
Six days thou shalt do thy work, and on the seventh day thou shalt rest: that thine ox and thine ass may rest, and the son of thy handmaid, and the stranger, may be refreshed.
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Very, very true. The old protestant saying "Time is money" is totally anti-catholic and quite materialistic.
Exodus 20:9,10 (https://www.biblehub.com/exodus/20-9.htm)
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: …
Exodus 23:12 (https://www.biblehub.com/exodus/23-12.htm)
Six days thou shalt do thy work, and on the seventh day thou shalt rest: that thine ox and thine ass may rest, and the son of thy handmaid, and the stranger, may be refreshed.