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Demographic shifts - crumbling balkanizing country
« on: June 24, 2011, 03:00:36 AM »
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  • I posted this same thread over at Fisheaters.  I want as many thoughts on this subject as possible, as I truly would like to know how to prepare physically and mentally for the kind of future that is coming.  Folks over here at cathinfo are pretty erudite and thoughtful, so I really look foward to replies here.

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    I think this is one of the best posts I've seen Vox Day put up.  I truly and sincerely want to hear everyone's opinions on this one.  I want to get a feel for what everyone thinks will happen in neighborhoods, rural settings--all that.  

    For example, my scenario is one of an Asian-American family living in a minority-strewn lower-class neighborhood in the forbidden northern section of town.  Main demographics of my neighborhood, I believe, reflect the future of America.  I'd say about 30% in this neighborhood are old White people, 40% are Hispanic, and 30% Black.  Honestly, my gut instinct is to attempt to move.  But due to current debts and job situation and what not, our family isn't going anywhere any time in the next five years.

    When Patrick Buchanan talks about the balkanization of America, I truly wonder what it will resemble.  Will it be various clans (aka, gangs) of different ethnicities vying for power over sections of cities?  Will it be different regions of this country expelling the undesired ethnicities out of their domain (expelling or exterminating)?  What was the Roman Empire's situation?  In their decline, were they as "diverse" as we are percentage-wise?

    In any event, here's Vox Day's latest blog post.  Please give it some thought on this one.  

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2011/06/better-hope-for-breakup_23.html

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    Better hope for a breakup

    Because the USA as a whole is rapidly going the way of DC and Detroit:

    For the first time, minorities make up a majority of babies in the U.S., part of a sweeping race change and growing age divide between mostly white, older Americans and predominantly minority youths that could reshape government policies.

    Preliminary census estimates also show the share of African-American households headed by women - made up of mostly single mothers - now exceeds African-American households with married couples, a sign of declining U.S. marriages overall but also continuing challenges for black youths without involved fathers.

    The findings, based on the latest government data, offer a preview of final 2010 census results being released this summer that provide detailed breakdowns by age, race and householder relationships such as same-sex couples.

    Demographers say the numbers provide the clearest confirmation yet of a changing social order, one in which racial and ethnic minorities will become the U.S. majority by midcentury.


    I understand that a lot of people believe that this increasing vibrancy is a good thing for the nation because "diversity is strength". The fact that this charming equalitarian belief happens to fly in the face of every relevant historical example as well as the recent societal patterns doesn't appear to bother them in the slightest. One need only look at the governance of any non-white majority city to see what is in the cards for the USA as a whole; when Los Angeles or Mexico City are your rosy scenarios, well, you're pretty much out of luck.

    The thing that the multicultural and racial fantasists can't seem to understand is that culture is malleable. The non-European immigrants, forced and voluntary, are not going to be magically transmogrified by the laws and social mores they find, they are instead going to transform them to their liking. Victor Davis Hanson describes, in ominous detail, precisely how that process has taken place in his California valley:

    Last week was another somewhat depressing chapter in a now long saga of living where I was born. I returned to the farm from leading a European military history tour, and experienced the following — mind you, after a number of thefts the month prior (barn, shop, etc.):

    1) I left my chainsaw in the driveway to use the restroom inside the house. Someone driving buy saw it. He slammed on the brakes, stole it, and drove off. Neat, quick, easy. Mind you there was only a 5-minute hiatus in between my cutting. And the driver was a random passer-by. That suggests to me that a high number of rural Fresno County motorists can prove to be opportunistic thieves at any given moment. The saw was new; I liked it — an off-the-shelf $400 Echo that ran well. I assume it will be sold off at a rural intersection in these parts, or the nearby swap meet for about $60. I doubt the thief was a professional woodsman who needed a tool of the trade to survive.

    2) On the next night, three 15-hp agriculture pumps on our farm were vandalized — all the copper wire was torn out of the electrical conduits. The repairs to each one might run $500; yet, the value of the wire could not be over $50. I was told by neighbors that reports and descriptions of the law-breakers focused on youthful thieves casing the countryside — in official parlance a “gang,” and in the neighborhood politically-incorrect patois “cholos” — like the fellow who recently drove in, in his new lowered shiny red pickup (hydraulic lifters are not cheap), inquiring about buying “scrap” and “just looking” before I ran him out....

    I conclude that most Americans would agree that chain-sawing a peach tree or pumping irrigation water enriches the nation, while cruising around looking to destroy such activity does not. The latter represents the sort of social parasitism that I read about each Saturday night in our environs (and, in terms of illegal immigration, once wrote about in Mexifornia — a book I seem doomed to relive in Ground Hog fashion each day — nearly a decade ago): gangbanger A shoots up gangbanger B; B goes to emergency room for publicly funded $250,000 worth of surgery and post-op treatment by C, an MD, who otherwise would have been insulted and intimidated by A or B should he have met either earlier in the day. Indeed, C is more likely to be ridiculed or sued by B than thanked. And yet C does not need either A or B; both need the former in extremis.

    Where does this all end — these open borders, unsustainable entitlements and public union benefits and salaries, these revolving door prisons and Al Gore-like energy fantasies?

    We are left with a paradox. The taxpayer cannot indefinitely fund the emergency room treatment for the shooter and his victim on Saturday night if society cannot put a tool down for five minutes without a likely theft, or a farmer cannot turn on a 50-year old pump without expecting its electrical connections to have been ripped out. Civilization simply cannot function that way for either the productive citizen or the parasite, who still needs a live host.


    Where VDH and other nominal social conservatives go wrong is to imagine that this has anything to do with illegal immigration. It has to do with the ethnic and racial makeup of the country. As we have seen everywhere from Atlanta and Afghanistan to Zimbabwe, a society can not only survive, but thrive, with a small dash of vibrancy. A country that is 90 European, 5 percent African, and 5 percent Hispanic might well benefit from the additional heterodoxy provided by the minorities, while a country that is 40 percent European, 20 percent African, and 40 percent Hispanic is going to be riven by a constant battle for government spoils of the sort that distracts the elites of most of the nations in the third world.

    But it is obviously too late now to save the nation as a whole. There is no coherent nation anymore. Those who hope to save a vestige of what was once America would do well to ally themselves with the likes of La Raza, who will probably be one of the more important forces in ultimately ending the ill-starred Union.

    "Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded- here and there, now and then- are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty. This is known as “bad luck.”"
    — Robert A. Heinlein

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    I look forward to your replies.

    -L.H.

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    Demographic shifts - crumbling balkanizing country
    « Reply #1 on: June 24, 2011, 08:46:15 AM »
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  • The demographic shifts are nothing new, but I suppose they must have come as a shock to Mr. Hanson, and all those who were too busy “creating wealth” from inefficient businesses made viable through government subsidization and taxpayer-funded academia.   Not so much for those of us who have been awake in the real world for the last thirty years.    At this point in time, I am not certain it matters anymore.  My black neighbors may not share my ancestry, but they are much closer to being my “race” than neocon white people who expect the world to powder their behinds, deciding that the little people must act on their behalf now that the mess they’ve created has spread to their multi-million dollar California estate.  

    The end quote ties his essay up perfectly – completely elitist, short-sighted and oblivious to social problems until the effects creep into his own backyard.  Knowing the author, it’s obvious the “tiny minority” to whom he refers are not altruistic, God-fearing leaders.

    This essay's focus measures societal health based on its overall wealth, the presence of which is not independently a reliable indicator.    Surely the money manipulation reflected by home prices during the housing bubble was not reflective of “progress.”    Nor was its aftermath caused by immigrants or minorities.  We have done the damage ourselves, by making our life focus the acquisition of “stuff” and sensual pleasures.   Why would we expect newcomers to behave any differently?

    A comment on the blog page sums it up well:

    This is our judgement. Everything that is falling upon Americans is their just rewards for becoming a nation of everything foul. We are no longer a nation of everything good and wholesome. We are no longer a nation that respects liberty and freedom and understands that IT is defined by nature and natures God. We have become a cesspool of untreated stench. We are the people that define our country. Either by our participation or because we sit on the sidelines.



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    Demographic shifts - crumbling balkanizing country
    « Reply #2 on: June 26, 2011, 10:59:25 AM »
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  • Two terms: "racial awareness" and "deliberate indifference"

    I posted this thread on this forum, as well as two other forums, in order to get an idea of what people think and expect in the years ahead.

    On one forum, I've heard cries of xenophobia and accusations of "white flight."  I challenge that person to relocate to the neighborhood of their city where the most minorities live and tell me how it works out fifteen years later.

    I have not really heard too many concrete examples of what people expect if a breakout occurs.  There has been much discussion about airy ideas.  Philosophising.  Utopian talk.  A great deal of abstract thinking, and no attention to the reality of our society, and all the concrete details that come with it.

    I blame this detached mindset on the "deliberate indifference" and "racial unawareness" of such people.  I find it amusing, because I doubt that non-white people are as "racially unaware" as whites are.  I am certain that the other ethnicities discuss their opinions of other ethnicities far more than whites do, without fear of labelling, and without guilt.

    I will therefore conclude my search with this thread, as I find that answers for our current ethnically diverse condition are scarce to be found in the opinions of contemporaries.  I believe that such realities will MAKE their presence known, in spite of the ignorance of intellectual cowards.

    And I leave with this article--written by an African-American man, mind you--which actually DOES give a glimpse on what may be expected when a future collapse of our welfare state occurrs.  I'll provide the last line of Walter E. Williams' article for those countless individuals who are too lazy to read it:
    "Black silence in the face of black racism has to be one of the biggest betrayals of the civil rights struggle that included black and white Americans."

    And now, the article.

    http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2011/06/22/americas_new_racists/page/full/

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    America's New Racists

    By Walter E. Williams

    The late South African economist William Hutt, in his 1964 book, "The Economics of the Colour Bar," said that one of the supreme tragedies of the human condition is that those who have been the victims of injustices and oppression "can often be observed to be inflicting not dissimilar injustices upon other races."

    Born in 1936, I've lived through some of our openly racist history, which has included racist insults, beatings and lynchings. Tuskegee Institute records show that between the years 1880 and 1951, 3,437 blacks and 1,293 whites were lynched. I recall my cousin's and my being chased out of Fishtown and Grays Ferry, two predominantly Irish Philadelphia neighborhoods, in the 1940s, not stopping until we reached a predominantly black North or South Philly neighborhood.

    Today all that has changed. Most racist assaults are committed by blacks. What's worse is there're blacks, still alive, who lived through the times of lynching, Jim Crow laws and open racism who remain silent in the face of it.

    Last year, four black Skidmore College students yelled racial slurs while they beat up a white man because he was dining with a black man. Skidmore College's first response was to offer counseling to one of the black students charged with the crime. In 2009, a black Columbia University professor assaulted a white woman during a heated argument about race relations. According to interviews and court records obtained and reported by Denver's ABC affiliate (12/4/2009), black gangs roamed downtown Denver verbally venting their hatred for white victims before assaulting and robbing them during a two-month crime wave. Earlier this year, four black girls beat a white girl at a McDonald's, and the victim suffered a seizure. Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel ordered an emergency shutdown of the beaches in Chicago because mobs of blacks were terrorizing families. According to the NBC affiliate there (6/8/2011), a gang of black teens stormed a city bus, attacked white victims and ran off with their belongings.

    Racist black attacks are not only against whites but also against Asians. In San Francisco, five blacks beat an 83-year-old Chinese man to death. They threw a 57-year-old woman off a train platform. Two black Oakland teenagers assaulted a 59-year-old Chinese man; the punching knocked him to the ground, killing him. At Philly's South Philadelphia High School, Asian students report that black students routinely pelt them with food and beat, punch and kick them in school hallways and bathrooms as they hurl racial epithets such as "Hey, Chinese!" and "Yo, Dragon Ball!" The Asian American Legal Defense and Education Fund charged the School District of Philadelphia with "deliberate indifference" toward black victimization of Asian students.

    In many of these brutal attacks, the news media make no mention of the race of the perpetrators. If it were white racist gangs randomly attacking blacks, the mainstream media would have no hesitation reporting the race of the perps. Editors for the Los Angeles Times, The New York Times and the Chicago Tribune admitted to deliberately censoring information about black crime for political reasons. Chicago Tribune Editor Gerould Kern recently said that the paper's reason for censorship was to "guard against subjecting an entire group of people to suspicion."

    These racist attacks can, at least in part, be attributed to the black elite, who have a vested interest in racial paranoia. And that includes a president who has spent years aligned with people who have promoted racial grievance and polarization and appointed an attorney general who's accused us of being "a nation of cowards" on matters of race and has refused to prosecute black thugs who gathered at a Philadelphia voting site in blatant violation of federal voter intimidation laws. Tragically, black youngsters -- who are seething with resentments, refusing to accept educational and other opportunities unknown to blacks yesteryear -- will turn out to be the larger victims in the long run.

    Black silence in the face of black racism has to be one of the biggest betrayals of the civil rights struggle that included black and white Americans.
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    Before some audiences not even the possession of the exactest knowledge will make it easy for what we say to produce conviction. For argument based on knowledge implies instruction, and there are people whom one cannot instruct.  - Aristotle