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  • "As of noon Saturday, about 500 of San Antonio's 630 area gas stations were said to be out of fuel, according to motorists reporting to gas price tracker GasBuddy.com. By 7:30 p.m. that number had climbed to about 575."


    http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Mayor-again-urges-calm-as-residents-continue-to-12169637.php?ipid=brkbar

    This isn't funny anymore.


    Both gas stations in Marion were without gas today. Also the one close to me on I-10.

    Maybe it will start to ameliorate on Tuesday, and maybe it won't. To get people out of this mindset is going to take some doing.
    They're really going to have to get San Antonio awash in gas.


    My friend said, "the attendants at the gas stations I visited today were not too helpful. I asked them all if they knew when the next shipment of gas was scheduled to be delivered to their station and the consistent response I received was: *shrug*"

    Maybe this will be a good wake up call for people though -- about preparedness in general, I mean. This could happen again, at any time, about anything -- money in the banks, groceries at the store, the value of the stock market, etc. and once a crisis or collapse is "in play" it's really too late to prepare.

    The problem with gas, is you really can't store it. It only lasts for 3-6 months. And it's a pain to pour it into normal vehicles (riding mowers are a bit easier). Unless you have an expensive electric gas pump or something...but even then, the gas would still go bad.

    The whole "just in time" thing is so fragile it's scary. I've personally bought Wal-mart or H-E-B out of various products, more times than I can count. Imagine what a hundred or 500 of me could do...

    It all depends on a network of trucks to restock everything. If those trucks can't move for some reason (natural disaster, terrorist attack, epidemic, credit freeze-up, lack of fuel availability, etc.) everything those trucks re-stock begins to disappear from the retail dispensaries.

    Anyhow, I've lived in this area for 13 years and on this earth for much longer, and I've never seen anything like this gas panic/outage. It's not just San Antonio, but the complete environs around it for a ??? mile radius. Do you see what's happening so far? When a truck shows up to deliver fuel, there are a bunch of hawks surrounding it ready to pounce. That gas station (in the article) was probably out of fuel again within the hour.

    That's why I think it's going to take a massive, coordinated, concerted effort to drown all the stations in S.A. with gas all at once, so people stop panicking.


    Because once you have 575 out of 630 stations without gas (which is the situation right now!), then those last few will quickly run out. And when everyone's out of gas, it's hard to "make headway" because any station with gas is going to be quickly swamped with a line of cars... (edited)

    Anyhow, I'm still concerned because I need about 1.5 gallons of gas to get to work -- and another 1.5 gallons to get back. I'm extremely vulnerable in this situation. My round trip is 60 miles, and I only get about 20-23 to the gallon.


    And if you really want to talk scary stuff, I'm surprised that no one in San Antonio is upset or frustrated that they can't get to work. I don't see how you can have a gas shortage longer than 2 days without "problems" (rioting, people loitering around with signs, people stuck home from work and up to no good, vandalism, stealing gas, etc.) (edited)

    I mean, some people drive around on fumes -- or let's just say far from a full tank of gas.
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    Re: Day 3 of San Antonio gas shortage - 575 out of 630 stations without gas
    « Reply #1 on: September 02, 2017, 11:10:42 PM »
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  • Either a fleet of trucks from heaven just arrived in the last hour, or someone is "spamming" the system:

    http://tracker.gasbuddy.com/Search.aspx?t=search

    A bunch of stations "have fuel" updated "a moment ago". And if you look, it isn't just one report either, but several.

    Either a huge amount of tanker trucks came in during the past 2.5 hours (since 8:30 PM when that article was last updated), or someone is spamming the system with false information, just to play a sick joke on people.
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    Re: Day 3 of San Antonio gas shortage - 575 out of 630 stations without gas
    « Reply #2 on: September 03, 2017, 01:03:47 AM »
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  • The current situation in Houston is that there is technically only one gas rack where the tankers can load gas/diesel/ethanol and whatever additives are needed in it (they mix it as it's loaded). I takes 3+ hours waiting your turn to fill the tanker, and due to traffick, just as or EVEN LONGER to deliver it to the appropriate gas station! The other racks have lost power, and one seems to have it's computers fried, so there is no telling how long it will be before they are operational again. It could be another week, more at worst. I have a relative who is a tanker, so he's in it and ahould know... he's practically working 16 hours a day (hopefully not more).

    I didn't look at those links provided, but with the situation as it is, how could you have very many stations filled in a short amount of time? Where is the gas coming from? Are there any other large racks in Texas that tanker from SanAntonio could go to besides Houston?


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    Re: Day 3 of San Antonio gas shortage - 575 out of 630 stations without gas
    « Reply #3 on: September 03, 2017, 01:47:17 AM »
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  • Something that I don't really think people get. Cities in TEXAS being reported being bingo fuel.

    TEXAS.

    Not Utah. Not Nebraska. Not Kansas.

    TEXAS.

    What's next, Central Asia being out of crude?

    An alternative could be someone using the opportunity to test things. Not enough to crash, just enough to gauge and gather data. Exercise.

    Anyway, there is too much conspiratorial thinking as is. Recipe for bat crap crazy.
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    Re: Day 3 of San Antonio gas shortage - 575 out of 630 stations without gas
    « Reply #4 on: September 03, 2017, 08:27:57 AM »
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  • Here's the image of the day:

    Talk about crazy! 55 gallon barrels? That's not easy to consume later, unless you have some kind of electric pump like a gas station. I can understand storing some extra gas in gas cans (maybe even a lot of gas cans), but 5 gallon buckets and 55 gallon barrels? That's insane.

    That gas is going to splash all over the place, and ultimately be wasted.

    I mean there's being prepared for a few days of "no gas for sale", and then there's writing off civilization. That's going a bit far at this point...
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    Re: Day 3 of San Antonio gas shortage - 575 out of 630 stations without gas
    « Reply #5 on: September 03, 2017, 08:46:40 AM »
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  • I just checked the "tracker.gasbuddy.com" process for updating a station's status, and it's a complete joke.

    You click "update" for a given station, select "fuel" or "no fuel", and submit. And immediately the station's status is updated.

    A piece of software could do that. I could write a program to select each one and say either "fuel" or "no fuel".
    There is no CAPTCHA, no restriction, no login required, no nothing. 

    It's a joke.
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    Re: Day 3 of San Antonio gas shortage - 575 out of 630 stations without gas
    « Reply #6 on: September 03, 2017, 10:15:08 AM »
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  • I just checked the "tracker.gasbuddy.com" process for updating a station's status, and it's a complete joke.

    You click "update" for a given station, select "fuel" or "no fuel", and submit. And immediately the station's status is updated.

    A piece of software could do that. I could write a program to select each one and say either "fuel" or "no fuel".
    There is no CAPTCHA, no restriction, no login required, no nothing.

    It's a joke.
    But that's the beauty of a system by the people for the people! Hahaha

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    Re: Day 3 of San Antonio gas shortage - 575 out of 630 stations without gas
    « Reply #7 on: September 03, 2017, 04:18:38 PM »
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  • Either a fleet of trucks from heaven just arrived in the last hour, or someone is "spamming" the system:

    http://tracker.gasbuddy.com/Search.aspx?t=search

    A bunch of stations "have fuel" updated "a moment ago". And if you look, it isn't just one report either, but several.

    Either a huge amount of tanker trucks came in during the past 2.5 hours (since 8:30 PM when that article was last updated), or someone is spamming the system with false information, just to play a sick joke on people
    Same thing here in Houston, Matthew.



    Friday, nobody had gas. Our secretary didn't show up for work because she was out. UPS wasn't making deliveries because they had no fuel. None of the gas stations I pass on the way to work (a ten mile trip) had gas. I had to borrow a gallon from our little supply at work for the lawn mower to get home Friday.



    Suddenly, Saturday, about half the stations had gas. I filled up yesterday afternoon at a Shell station. Exxon had gas, Mobil, Valero, everybody had gas. What's going on?



    About the hoarders: I've heard that only 100 million Americans work, out of 320 million of us. They announced the hurricane was coming on Thursday. Friday I had to go to work. By the time I got off, at 3:30, the supermarket shelves were empty. Those of us who have to work for a living can't compete with the vast hordes on welfare. They had all day to go to the supermarkets and even corner stores and clean out the supplies. I'm not complaining though. I made it through the storm all right. I always keep at least a week's worth of food stored and I boiled enough water for two weeks.
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    Re: Day 3 of San Antonio gas shortage - 575 out of 630 stations without gas
    « Reply #8 on: September 03, 2017, 06:29:00 PM »
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  • Just got back from a trip to San Antonio. All the gas stations I checked out were out of gas. We had no opportunities to buy gas.
    Hoping it improves soon...

    This started Thursday. We've been through Friday, Saturday, and now Sunday is almost over. Most stations around here still have no gas.

    Edit: I just called the 2 gas stations in Marion, and the 2 gas stations on I-10 closest to me. All out of gas.
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    Re: Day 3 of San Antonio gas shortage - 575 out of 630 stations without gas
    « Reply #9 on: September 03, 2017, 07:34:31 PM »
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  • I work in the production side of the oil and gas industry and I'm surprised that there isn't any urgency from operational refineries around the country to try to increase production.  The total daily production loss due to hurricane Harvey in Texas is over 20% of the nation's total production. 

    Here's the latest news that I could find in regards to refineries being inoperable due to Harvey...

    From Forbes...

    Latest Look At Oil Refineries Shut Because Of Harvey
    Kenneth Rapoza, CONTRIBUTOR
    Sep 1, 2017 11:59 AM 5,425 


    Harvey is no longer a hurricane nor a tropical storm, but fuel costs are rising by the day because three new refineries shut down as of Thursday, S&P Global Platts reports.



    The three new refineries are all in Port Arthur, Texas with a combined 1.1 million barrels of oil capacity on lockdown as companies like Valero work to get its facilities and workers operational again. Valero’s refineries in Corpus Cristi and Three Rivers are back on line, but S&P Platts estimates that they are firing at half capacity.

    In Texas, gasoline prices are up $0.25 per gallon, $0.50 higher than a week ago due to refinery closures. Crude oil goes through the refining process to be turned into fuel. No refinery, no fuel.

    In New York, gasoline prices were higher as well, with barge delivery prices up around $0.20, or $0.44 for premium gasoline, Platts reports.



    The Texas-to-Jersey Colonial Pipeline, which ship 1.37 million barrels of gasoline is intermittent and dependent on refinery supply, the Colonial Pipeline Company posted on its website yesterday.

    Platts estimates that 3.04 million barrels per day of refining capacity is still down in Texas, equivalent to 16% of the country’s oil refining capacity. “Assuming refiners cutting runs or in the process of returning are at 50% of capacity, the total downed capacity rises to 4 million barrels daily,” Platts said in a statement yesterday. In that case, you’re looking at 22% of the U.S. total refining capacity.



    On a positive note, oil drillers are back at work in the Gulf and in the major Eagle Ford shale formation in southeastern Texas. Once all the refineries are back on line, gasoline and oil prices are expected to stop increasing.

    Last week, Barclays Capital analyst Michael Cohen said Harvey was bullish for oil prices and would remain so for much of September.

    Harvey-related gasoline shortages may start to appear regionally on Friday, exacerbated by the high-demand Labor Day holiday weekend, fuel marketers trade group SIGMA said. SIGMA CEO Ryan McNutt expects the group’s members to have serious supply challenges in the coming days. “Price isn’t going to be the main issue,” he told Platts on Wednesday. “There’s just not going to be product, and unfortunately we’re going into one of the busiest traveling weekends for that.”

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    Re: Day 3 of San Antonio gas shortage - 575 out of 630 stations without gas
    « Reply #10 on: September 07, 2017, 03:51:55 PM »
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    I heard on the radio this morning that gas in southern Florida is all gone, stations empty. Who's giving correct info?
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    Using the website from Matthew's post above, I found gas is reported available at a minority of stations, even Key West, Key Largo and Homestead, which are all at the southern tip of the state. Checking prices, they're still around $2.85 per gallon. Is that correct? Does Florida have price controls on gas or what?
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    At the east end of Key Largo they have a bridge that's officially named "Bridge to Nowhere." Amazing. Need photos of that when Irma strikes.
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