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Offline 5MicrosoftOfficer7

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Re: The reality of SHTF combat - wake up call for most
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2019, 01:49:38 PM »
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  • I see the direction this thread is going. I agree with everything that has been stated. That being said that doesn't mean I'm not going to attempt to survive if something goes down. Just because you are in a state of Sanctifying grace doesn't mean that if you see a semi truck coming straight at you you can stand there and accept your death. I think you are obligated to keep yourself alive, I could just not eat and allow myself to die but we all know that is incorrect. You're supposed to keep yourself alive until it is impossible to do so or doing so would mean you would have to sin to stay alive. Some old church fathers would say that it would be fine in allowing yourself to be killed in a few situations, but I think that's going beyond the average poster here.


    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: The reality of SHTF combat - wake up call for most
    « Reply #16 on: July 24, 2019, 02:01:22 PM »
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  • Why not prep AND say the rosary?

    If every virtue (except the theological virtues) is a balancing act between excess and defect/neglect, then it seems to me the prudent man would make moderate preps (ie., do what is within his means, without draining the 401k on mre’s which expire in 2 years), while keeping the spiritual life first.

    I’m not sure a man who rejects making ANY preps because of a fatalism masquerading as trust in Providence (or one who abuses Providence by deliberately neglecting to take moderate measures he could have taken) would be called prudent.

    According to that logic, financial investments and insurance policies are tantamount to a morose rejection of Providence?

    But none accused Joseph of rejecting Providence when he stored up 7 years of corn in Egypt.

    Quite the opposite.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: The reality of SHTF combat - wake up call for most
    « Reply #17 on: July 24, 2019, 02:27:25 PM »
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  • So exactly or approximately, what is it that's coming? Exactly or approximately, what is it that we are to be prepared for?

    Forgive me but we went through this when the NO took over back in the late 60s / early 70s, and Catholics who became trads seemingly overnight were sure the chastisement was coming at that time, or the banks were about to crash, or the communists would march in and there'd be slaughter in the streets, or the world was about to end, or our food supply would be cut off, or you name it.

    I know a family who just last year used up all their clorox bleach they bought 48 years ago because they knew disinfectant was being discontinued ahead of the coming chaos in order for disease to pick off any survivors.

    So what preparations do they say we need these days?

    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: The reality of SHTF combat - wake up call for most
    « Reply #18 on: July 24, 2019, 02:48:44 PM »
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  • I'm not sure your response corrsponds with my stipulations.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: The reality of SHTF combat - wake up call for most
    « Reply #19 on: July 24, 2019, 03:02:28 PM »
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  • All comes down to that old Russian proverb:

    "Pray, but row like hell for shore."
    Da pacem Domine in diebus nostris
    Qui non est alius
    Qui pugnet pro nobis
    Nisi  tu Deus noster


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    Re: The reality of SHTF combat - wake up call for most
    « Reply #20 on: July 24, 2019, 03:21:01 PM »
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  • I'm not sure your response corrsponds with my stipulations.
    I'm not sure my response intended to correspond with your stipulations.  :laugh1:

    I am just wondering if people who are prepping know what it is that they are prepping for when far as I know, no one has any idea when it's supposedly coming or even what it is that might be coming. I hate to be the party pooper here but for me, IF whatever might be coming is actually coming, it's a looooooooong time in getting here.

    How do we prep for something when no one knows what to prep for - or when?  
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: The reality of SHTF combat - wake up call for most
    « Reply #21 on: July 24, 2019, 07:22:39 PM »
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  • Stubborn, even putting aside all religious prophecies, there are at least 5 major human disasters that are on the horizon (or at least possible).

    1.  Major war.
    2.  Global financial collapse.
    3.  Major earthquakes (to rock the US at least).
    4.  Man-made biological disasters.
    5.  Multiple temporary outages/disruptions (1 week to maybe even months) to the US food/gas supply chain or even the electrical grid due to any of the above.

    In the last year, there have been small examples/threats of all of the above happening and which affected the economy and retail chains negatively. 

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    Re: The reality of SHTF combat - wake up call for most
    « Reply #22 on: July 25, 2019, 06:03:04 AM »
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  • Stubborn, even putting aside all religious prophecies, there are at least 5 major human disasters that are on the horizon (or at least possible).

    1.  Major war.
    2.  Global financial collapse.
    3.  Major earthquakes (to rock the US at least).
    4.  Man-made biological disasters.
    5.  Multiple temporary outages/disruptions (1 week to maybe even months) to the US food/gas supply chain or even the electrical grid due to any of the above.

    In the last year, there have been small examples/threats of all of the above happening and which affected the economy and retail chains negatively.
    No argument from me here, and as you would of course agree, your list is mostly incomplete - I understand all of that, but it's also true that we've been teetering on the brink of all this and more for half a century now.

    Looking at this from my point of view, nearly all of the preppers that I knew that actually did prep decades ago for whatever was supposed to happen back then, have long since died of natural causes, which of course, made pretty much all of their prepping a gigantic waste. Some even went so far as to move to Alaska, some to the dessert, some are still hidden in the Rocky Mountains somewhere far as I know.

    Remember the "Y2k bug"? Some preppers that I know ran up all their credit to the max buying survival supplies just before Y2k - oops. lol

    I think you can see what I'm getting at.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    Re: The reality of SHTF combat - wake up call for most
    « Reply #23 on: July 25, 2019, 12:44:45 PM »
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  • Obviously you have only interacted with extremist personalities.  Hope you don't write-off a prudent prepping plan just because some take it too far.  If you agree that some prepping is good, then your comments on this thread are hypocritical and it seems you're searching to stir up an argument.  Furthermore, Y2k being the exception, most of the potential chaotic situations I listed are not new, as you point out.  However, none of these problems have been solved, only kicked down the road.  So to say that "nothing has happened yet" is not the same thing as "it will never happen".  Most of these problems are man-made, and man-controlled, therefore their threats are not linear and predictable in the near-term; but they are predictable in general sense.  The point is, you can't ruin your life over prepping; but you also can't live your life without it. 

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    Re: The reality of SHTF combat - wake up call for most
    « Reply #24 on: July 25, 2019, 01:42:16 PM »
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  • Obviously you have only interacted with extremist personalities.  Hope you don't write-off a prudent prepping plan just because some take it too far.  If you agree that some prepping is good, then your comments on this thread are hypocritical and it seems you're searching to stir up an argument.  Furthermore, Y2k being the exception, most of the potential chaotic situations I listed are not new, as you point out.  However, none of these problems have been solved, only kicked down the road.  So to say that "nothing has happened yet" is not the same thing as "it will never happen".  Most of these problems are man-made, and man-controlled, therefore their threats are not linear and predictable in the near-term; but they are predictable in general sense.  The point is, you can't ruin your life over prepping; but you also can't live your life without it.
    No, not extremist personalities, rather, they were actual preppers who genuinely prepped......many of the ones still alive are still in prep mode far as I know. 

    And no, I am not prepping for anything. I have some things that I've had for decades, like a few guns, a little ammo and a generator for storms that knock the power out, oh and maybe a month or so supply of food if I wanted to scrimp and clean out all the cupboards, but nothing I'd consider as prepping.

    Exactly what necessities should people have, and for what reason? That's all I am asking.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: The reality of SHTF combat - wake up call for most
    « Reply #25 on: July 25, 2019, 01:54:46 PM »
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  • Obviously you have only interacted with extremist personalities.  Hope you don't write-off a prudent prepping plan just because some take it too far.  If you agree that some prepping is good, then your comments on this thread are hypocritical and it seems you're searching to stir up an argument.  Furthermore, Y2k being the exception, most of the potential chaotic situations I listed are not new, as you point out.  However, none of these problems have been solved, only kicked down the road.  So to say that "nothing has happened yet" is not the same thing as "it will never happen".  Most of these problems are man-made, and man-controlled, therefore their threats are not linear and predictable in the near-term; but they are predictable in general sense.  The point is, you can't ruin your life over prepping; but you also can't live your life without it.
    But they might be kicked down the road another half century longer.


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    Re: The reality of SHTF combat - wake up call for most
    « Reply #26 on: July 25, 2019, 02:42:19 PM »
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  • The USA's problems have been kicked down the road, but all signs point to the cliff fast approaching.  In other countries, the can was not kicked and they suffered greatly.  If you want to know what to prepare for, research what's happening in Venezuela for the past 2 years.  They went from a 1st world country (highest global exporter of oil) to a 4th world post-apocalyptic mess in less than a few months.  

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    Re: The reality of SHTF combat - wake up call for most
    « Reply #27 on: July 25, 2019, 07:30:46 PM »
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    But they might be kicked down the road another half century longer.
    If you understand the endgame - which is a global, atheistic govt, a one-world religion, and where most of the global population is poor - they don't need to kick the can down the road to gain more time; we're almost already there.  The only question is, do we reach the endgame through financial catastrophe/nuclear war, or do we reach it through "peaceful" measures (i.e. Orwellian laws which will enslave us all, i.e.  big brother climate change laws, big-tech surveillance state, and artificial intelligence controlling our daily lives).  
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    The rise of populism in the US, Brazil, Italy, Hungary, Poland, and maybe France/England shows that the people are waking up to the surveillance state and the fascist corporations who are controlling the economy.  This leads me to believe that we are headed for a financial collapse and nuclear war, because the elites are beginning to lose control and must use strong measures to reach their goals.  This picture lines up with multiple, multiple prophecies as well.
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    Either way, barring an intervention from Our Lady, we're all going to be extremely poor soon, so you might as well stock up on food and other items while you can.  No one is advising that anyone totally change your life from A-Z and build a bunker.  But if you can tighten your belt and buy practical items (extra food, clothing, etc) and stop buying any "wants", you'll thank yourself later.  Our Lord told us that during the end times there will be "wars and rumors of wars" and earthquakes and other natural calamities.