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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: Cathinfo Appreciation
« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2021, 11:32:02 AM »
Quote from: RomanTheo on July 29, 2021, 09:59:54 AM
Incorrect.  Catholics are bound to profess their faith in the Church with four marks - "I believe in the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church."   The Church is an object of divine and Catholic faith.  If the sedevacantists were right, and they aren't, the Church with four marks that was founded by Christ would no longer exist.  That is one of the many reasons sedevacantism is a heresy.
This is a Cathinfo Appreciation thread. Why don't you send some money to Matthew instead of acting like a stuck record repeating the same lines over and over?
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Offline bodeens

Re: Cathinfo Appreciation
« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2021, 12:00:59 PM »
Quote from: RomanTheo on July 29, 2021, 11:11:15 AM
Vatican II was a council.  How does a council leave the Church?  If you are saying all the bishops who signed the docuмents left the Church, that would mean the entire hierarchy left the Church, which would constitute a defection of the Church.  

Just as Christ's mission was to redeem mankind and establish the Church, so too the mission of the Holy Ghost is to preserve the Church from defecting. To claim that the hierarchy defected at Vatican II is to affirm that the Holy Ghost failed in his divine mission - and it doesn't help to claim Paul VI wasn't really the Pope, because the Holy Ghost preserves the Church from defecting even when there is no Pope.

But the main problem with your reasoning is that is presumes Vatican II taught heresy. It didn't.  Having studied the problematic statement carefully, I maintain that it didn't even teach an error.  If a Catholic reads the docuмents "in light of tradition" - the same way they do with the docuмents of every other Council - everything is easily reconciled with what the Church has always taught.  
:facepalm: You can start a new thread for this buddy.
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Offline Matthew

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Re: Cathinfo Appreciation
« Reply #27 on: July 29, 2021, 12:07:01 PM »
Yes, please do. Take the sede vs. non-sede debate to another thread, in the Crisis subforum.

I actually have to remind myself that RomanTheo is "on my side" as it were, at least in a broad sense (non-Sede) -- but he's actually annoying ME, even though I'm recognize and resist/Resistance/non-sede.

Apparently being "on my team" is not the be-all and end-all for how I consider members of the forum...
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Online Minnesota

Re: Cathinfo Appreciation
« Reply #28 on: July 29, 2021, 12:25:38 PM »
Quote from: Matthew on July 29, 2021, 12:07:01 PM
Yes, please do. Take the sede vs. non-sede debate to another thread, in the Crisis subforum.

I actually have to remind myself that RomanTheo is "on my side" as it were -- he's actually annoying ME, even though I'm recognize and resist/Resistance/non-sede.

Apparently being "on my team" is not the be-all and end-all for how I consider members of the forum...
If you had a dollar for every time a thread that wasn't originally a sede debate devolved into a sede/non-sede debate, you would be able to make this forum your full-time job. Very good lawyer/doctor/CIO money too.
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Offline Matthew

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Re: Cathinfo Appreciation
« Reply #29 on: July 29, 2021, 12:28:00 PM »
Quote from: Minnesota on July 29, 2021, 12:25:38 PM
If you had a dollar for every time a thread that wasn't originally a sede debate devolved into a sede/non-sede debate, you would be able to make this forum your full-time job. Very good lawyer/doctor/CIO money too.

Talk about judging by the fruits -- the fruits of the INCESSANT DEBATE (sede vs. non-sede) are putrid and completely lacking.

Regardless of which of those positions themselves bear better fruit (let's not get into a debate here!), the ARGUING about those positions is certainly counter-productive AT BEST, a waste of time, and sinful at worst.

Advice un-asked-for is often spurned.

If someone comes up to you questioning his own position on the Pope and asking you for advice -- then go for it. Otherwise, you're wasting your breath. No one converts their whole life and position from a post someone made on an anonymous forum.
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