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Offline Miser Peccator

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Re: Best Long Range Rifle Out of Box
« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2021, 04:05:09 PM »
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  • How is it possible to shoot that far on a ball earth?

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    Re: Best Long Range Rifle Out of Box
    « Reply #16 on: August 19, 2021, 04:12:23 PM »
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  • How is it possible to shoot that far on a ball earth?
    Whatever the shape, it is easy peasey (maybe not so easy since my eyesight problems).
    Most XLR shooters use ballistic software and Kestrel weather meters that account even for the twist-rate of the rifling (spin drift) and for Coriolis effect.


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    Re: Best Long Range Rifle Out of Box
    « Reply #17 on: August 19, 2021, 04:51:47 PM »
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  • The 308 has the advantage of being more plentiful, both in number and type.
    I do concur. Much cheaper prices in .308 when buying from a vendor, too, which is why handloading for .270 (especially) and 30-06 is needed for the rifleman who shoots a lot in those respective calibers, unless he's rich.

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    I'm not knocking the .308. It's an excellent cartridge but the .270 and 30-06 are more powerful, faster velocity and flatter shooting, and even more so at longer distances.

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    Re: Best Long Range Rifle Out of Box
    « Reply #18 on: August 19, 2021, 06:28:20 PM »
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  • Savage 110 or Remington 700

    Ruger 10/22 is also a great 22lr
    I have a Ruger 10/22 "takedown" model, and it is very nice, good, straightforward rifle, affordable, great shooting.  However, it is a 22LR, with all the limitations you have with 22LR.  

    My Beeman 1022 (no slash, that's just the model number, but obviously meant to invoke the Ruger) nitro piston 22 air rifle is no slouch either.  It is actually heavier and larger than the Ruger 10/22, pretty quiet, decent velocity as air rifles go, and as long as I'm discreet, I can actually shoot it out in back of the bungalow (wooded area) without attracting attention to myself.  I just use it for plinking and, once, I had to euthanize an injured bird with it.

    What I need now is a "real" gun safe.  I found one for $399 today at Tractor Supply, Winchester 12-gun model, it'd fit in my bedroom closet, but hard to justify spending even that much right now, much going on with probate and budgeting through year-end.  

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    Re: Best Long Range Rifle Out of Box
    « Reply #19 on: August 19, 2021, 06:49:27 PM »
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  • What I need now is a "real" gun safe.  I found one for $399 today at Tractor Supply, Winchester 12-gun model, it'd fit in my bedroom closet, but hard to justify spending even that much right now, much going on with probate and budgeting through year-end.  
    Gun Safe Buyers Guide
    https://www.accurateshooter.com/technical-articles/gun-safe-buyers-guide/


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    Re: Best Long Range Rifle Out of Box
    « Reply #20 on: August 19, 2021, 10:13:07 PM »
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  • I do concur. Much cheaper prices in .308 when buying from a vendor, too, which is why handloading for .270 (especially) and 30-06 is needed for the rifleman who shoots a lot in those respective calibers, unless he's rich.

    P.S.
    I'm not knocking the .308. It's an excellent cartridge but the .270 and 30-06 are more powerful, faster velocity and flatter shooting, and even more so at longer distances.
    I do not believe you are. The 270 and 3006 have specific advantages.
    I am too far a casual shooter who aims to do more shooting in the future, when health and finances will allow for it. I have a lot of cheap 308 which is good for plinking, some for hunting, but all good for shan hitting the fit, as it were. And a simple bolt action in 556. 
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    Re: Best Long Range Rifle Out of Box
    « Reply #21 on: August 19, 2021, 10:28:49 PM »
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  • Ruger American in .308 is a solid inexpensive choice. Usually they come with decent glass. In my neck of the woods, you can find them for about $550-$600.
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    Re: Best Long Range Rifle Out of Box
    « Reply #22 on: August 20, 2021, 05:59:34 AM »
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  • Gun Safe Buyers Guide
    https://www.accurateshooter.com/technical-articles/gun-safe-buyers-guide/
    Thanks, that's pretty comprehensive.  That safe from Sam's Club (of all places) looks impressive "for what it is".  My concern is not so much fire --- insurance would cover that, and my 8-gun collection is not all that expensive, my priciest gun is the Glock 19 that retails for about $600 new in latest generation --- as theft, especially when I'm away overnight (which isn't often) and just general security.  The Winchester I looked at yesterday seems to be made especially for Tractor Supply.  The hat trick would be getting it home, I don't think Tractor Supply delivers, highly doubt Sam's Club does either.  I'd have to rent a U-Haul truck, or possibly one from Home Depot, just long enough to get the safe home --- thankfully, while my home is multi-level (FROG and basement-like garage), I would have a straight shot over level ground, from the patio entrance from the street, to the bedroom closet, only a dolly would be needed.  While I'm at it, I might as well get my money's worth out of a day's truck rental, and also get one of those affordable gas grills that Lowe's and other places have on sale.  It'd be a nice addition to the patio, and would enable cooking out without all the mess of charcoal and lighter fluid.  Not crazy about the aftertaste of charcoal-grilled steaks and burgers anyway.  A gun safe and a propane grill are two indispensable parts of the perfect "manhouse" (i.e., a "mancave" writ large).


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    Re: Best Long Range Rifle Out of Box
    « Reply #23 on: August 20, 2021, 08:33:41 AM »
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  • Ruger American or Tikka T3X

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    Re: Best Long Range Rifle Out of Box
    « Reply #24 on: August 20, 2021, 09:42:27 AM »
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  • ...cooking out without all the mess of charcoal and lighter fluid.  Not crazy about the aftertaste of charcoal-grilled steaks and burgers anyway.  ...
    Lights with a match and a single page of newspaper. Hot coals in about 5 minutes, No aftertaste. Durable. About $10. Charcoal chimney.

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    Re: Best Long Range Rifle Out of Box
    « Reply #25 on: August 20, 2021, 09:46:31 AM »
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  • ...Tikka T3X
    For some reason the Finns stick with a slow twist 1-11" barrel in .308, so it is marginal for stabilizing the heavier projectiles used for XLR, e.g., the Berger 185gn Juggernauts. IIRC The Ruger uses the better 1-10" twist, as do most US manufacturers.


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    Re: Best Long Range Rifle Out of Box
    « Reply #26 on: August 20, 2021, 10:08:29 AM »
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  • Lights with a match and a single page of newspaper. Hot coals in about 5 minutes, No aftertaste. Durable. About $10. Charcoal chimney.

    Thanks, I'll check this out.  We only cook out a handful of times per year, but I find that I have to use a lot of lighter fluid, which is where the nasty taste comes from.  A little taste, I can live with, but too much lighter fluid, and it's pretty repulsive, and could even pose health hazards.  Propane wouldn't do that.  They sell simple, basic full-sized propane grills at Lowe's from $99-$119.  I may let my father get me that for Birthday #61 next month.  I think he'd have been okay with that.

    My father was the cook-out master, had it down to a science, but growing up, I was taught that rare meat, or indeed any meat that did not have all the pink cooked out of it, was nasty and not fit to eat.  Everything we had from the grill, was so thoroughly cooked, that A-1 Steak Sauce was needed in abundance.  (Donald Trump flies in the face of all culinary sophistication, and likes his meat the same way.)  As our family economics became better over the years --- frugal didn't even begin to describe it --- my father discovered filets mignons, but he could not get his head around such a thick steak that cannot easily be grilled well-done, so he'd slice them horizontally so that they would be small, thin steaks.  My cousin's husband, Baltimore guy, found this bizarre and questioned it, but as my father noted, that didn't keep George from eating his fill of them!

    Sorry for the thread drift (miss my father), let's talk about guns now.  That is a subject that can never be exhausted.

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    Re: Best Long Range Rifle Out of Box
    « Reply #27 on: August 20, 2021, 10:52:22 AM »
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  • The founder/engineer at American Rifle Company make some interesting bolt actions and a chassis.  His first venture was a blend of the best features of the Mauser and the Springfield—voila, the "Mausingfield." Most recently he designed the Archimedes that uses a pivoting bolt handle lever for extraction.

    https://www.americanrifle.com/






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    Re: Best Long Range Rifle Out of Box
    « Reply #28 on: August 20, 2021, 12:48:37 PM »
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  • Nice bolt-actions, looks like they fit in any R700 furniture.

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    Re: Best Long Range Rifle Out of Box
    « Reply #29 on: August 20, 2021, 06:16:58 PM »
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  • Nice bolt-actions, looks like they fit in any R700 furniture.
    Yes. As feature-filled as his Xylo chassis is, it is heavy. Rifle, chassis, rings, and optics make about 13#.

    We customized a Rem700, a Proof Carbon barrel, and an ultralightweight Manners stock into a package of about 7#.

    An ARC Archimedes action, carbon wrapped barrel, a Trigger Tech Diamond trigger, and a Manners stock would probably weigh about the same 7#, but we really don't need another rifle.

    Here's are two interesting options for the "offbeat" 6.5 Grendel cartridge, a very efficient round with excellent inherent accuracy, but ammo is not nearly as prevalent as milspec cartridges.

    The Howa Mini Action rifle https://www.howausa.com/rifles/mini-action-rifle/ :

    The CZ 527 https://cz-usa.com/product/cz-527-american-synthetic-suppressor-ready/ :

    Both of these are available in 7.62x39 chamberings, but that round is at best a 300 yard cartridge, while the 6.5 Grendel is still a performer at 1000-1200 yards.  The CZ is also available in .223, but even with 77gn Berger loadings, that is at best a 600-800 yard performer and with rather anemic terminal ballistics at its limits.