Quote from: JoeZ

Love the Sacraments now while it's easy and God will provide what you need if times become tough. Attend Mass more than just your once a week obligation, especially the first Saturdays. Go to confession often. Support the parish or your priest with your money and time because it/he is the source of the Sacraments to others.

You'll never really be able to plan out a sanctuary on earth because first of all this is not our home and also the devil hates you and everything the Church does so wherever the Church is, the fight will be there too. Better to learn to deal with it. Learn how to hide your priest, he may only be visiting your home once a year. Do you have the things he needs? Which friends can you trust to visit you while he's hiding there? Young men need to be ready to help Father travel safely. Men should arm themselves and learn to fight, not just defensively. Women need to know how to care for all the ailments people have with the added difficulty of surviving as their men fail and families are shattered.

Its no game, and its not something you can escape but be consoled in that God put you in these times because He trusts you with it. Love the Sacraments now or you will abandon them when you most need them.

Go bless,
JoeZ

You are right.  There is no hiding place, and those that actually think they can start some type of "trad haven" are living in a dream world.  Human nature being what it is, the haven will turn to hell in no time.

Quote from: TheRealMcCoy

I would focus on the Southwest, California, Louisiana, Florida, Kentucky, Michigan, Illinois, Misouri, and Kansas.

With the need to somewhat entrench pre-collapse, and not knowing that such a collapse would completely upend current police-state policies, there is no way that I would consider Kalifornia or The People's Republic of Illinois.

If there is at least a history, then there may be at least Novus Ordo caths who may decide to rely more on their religion when times get tough.

...I agree about finding a small farming community with a traditional culture and a Catholic history. ...

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I've read Skousen's books and watched a lot of his interviews.  All I have to say on strategic locations is that you can't overlook the culture of the place you are considering.  It does no good to move to a state that has a strong non-Catholic culture and live in the woods.  I have to disagree with Skousen on his top 2 picks because neither have a strong Catholic history.  Those cultures persist today.  Plus Utah is owned by Mormons (freemasons) and Idaho is almost all government land.  From personal experience I recommend choosing a location with a strong Catholic background and finding a small farming town.  Unless you are a short wave radio operator you are going to need access to communication so living out in the middle of nowhere won't work.  How will you communicate with a priest to get him to your location? There are places that don't even have landline phones or cable tv and you can't count on satellite either.

Raising all the food your family will need and producing clothing is a lot harder than you think.  How many farmers actually have the skills to do that today?  Very few.  Most farmers raise one crop.  How many women on this board can weave?  Do you know how to tan hides to make shoes for your children?  Do you have a root cellar?  Do you have a well or creek on your property?  Sorry to be so negative I know that very few of us can live that life.  I include myself btw.  

Having done the whole "living in the woods among non-Catholics" I don't recommend it.  I'm not sure any of us can flee the coming Wrath.  I live in a tiny little backwoods hick town and yesterday I saw a military (Marine Corps) truck parked next to the railroad tracks and the soldiers were monitoring the traffic.  Why?

Better to find a small farming community with a traditional culture and make friends with your townsfolk in a state that has a Catholic history.  Even slightly liberal Novus Ordites are better than non-Catholic patriot types.  I would focus on the Southwest, California, Louisiana, Florida, Kentucky, Michigan, Illinois, Misouri, and Kansas.  I would avoid places with strong Jєω (northeast), pagan (Native American), or freemasonic (Utah and most of the Deep South) heritage.  I also wouldn't go near places that are fiercely libertarian which I have found to be either atheist, luciferian, or new age in philosophy. I would put Oregon, Washington, Iowa, Oklahoma, Maine, New Hampshire, Nebraska, and Colorado in the latter category.  I've moved a lot with my work so I'm speaking from a lot of personal experience.  These are generalizations and not meant to disregard any exceptions that someone else has experienced.  

I also agree with much of what JoeZ and Mark79 said.  

A lot of really good and useful info above. I can weave, but it's been a few years. It's not easy. You are so right about the water issue. It's essential to have at least a well, and not be dependent on city water, which can be shut off.

I mentioned the little town of Withrow, WA, which did have a Catholic church, and the area does have a Catholic history. My grandparents (not Catholic)moved to the county just south of where Withrow is located during the Depression. They had two toddlers (my mom was one of them) and my grandmother was pregnant with the third child. My grandfather got a job clearing land for a sheep farm. Just about the only food they had was canned vegetable given to them by a family member until the vegetable garden that my grandmother planted came up (Eastern Wa has really good climate for growing food). Then they were fine, since my grandmother knew how to can vegetables, too. We've lost much of that knowledge of how to get by during tough times. I gleaned all the info I could from my dear grandma before she passed away.

I agree about finding a small farming community with a traditional culture and a Catholic history. If there is at least a history, then there may be at least Novus Ordo caths who may decide to rely more on their religion when times get tough.

Unfortunately, wherever there is even a Catholic church (NO), there are also freemasons. It's difficult to get away from them.

Quote from: Meg

Quote from: TheRealMcCoy

I've read Skousen's books and watched a lot of his interviews.  All I have to say on strategic locations is that you can't overlook the culture of the place you are considering.  It does no good to move to a state that has a strong non-Catholic culture and live in the woods.  I have to disagree with Skousen on his top 2 picks because neither have a strong Catholic history.  Those cultures persist today.  Plus Utah is owned by Mormons (freemasons) and Idaho is almost all government land.  From personal experience I recommend choosing a location with a strong Catholic background and finding a small farming town.  Unless you are a short wave radio operator you are going to need access to communication so living out in the middle of nowhere won't work.  How will you communicate with a priest to get him to your location? There are places that don't even have landline phones or cable tv and you can't count on satellite either.

Raising all the food your family will need and producing clothing is a lot harder than you think.  How many farmers actually have the skills to do that today?  Very few.  Most farmers raise one crop.  How many women on this board can weave?  Do you know how to tan hides to make shoes for your children?  Do you have a root cellar?  Do you have a well or creek on your property?  Sorry to be so negative I know that very few of us can live that life.  I include myself btw.  

Having done the whole "living in the woods among non-Catholics" I don't recommend it.  I'm not sure any of us can flee the coming Wrath.  I live in a tiny little backwoods hick town and yesterday I saw a military (Marine Corps) truck parked next to the railroad tracks and the soldiers were monitoring the traffic.  Why?

Better to find a small farming community with a traditional culture and make friends with your townsfolk in a state that has a Catholic history.  Even slightly liberal Novus Ordites are better than non-Catholic patriot types.  I would focus on the Southwest, California, Louisiana, Florida, Kentucky, Michigan, Illinois, Misouri, and Kansas.  I would avoid places with strong Jєω (northeast), pagan (Native American), or freemasonic (Utah and most of the Deep South) heritage.  I also wouldn't go near places that are fiercely libertarian which I have found to be either atheist, luciferian, or new age in philosophy. I would put Oregon, Washington, Iowa, Oklahoma, Maine, New Hampshire, Nebraska, and Colorado in the latter category.  I've moved a lot with my work so I'm speaking from a lot of personal experience.  These are generalizations and not meant to disregard any exceptions that someone else has experienced.  

I also agree with much of what JoeZ and Mark79 said.  

A lot of really good and useful info above. I can weave, but it's been a few years. It's not easy. You are so right about the water issue. It's essential to have at least a well, and not be dependent on city water, which can be shut off.

I mentioned the little town of Withrow, WA, which did have a Catholic church, and the area does have a Catholic history. My grandparents (not Catholic)moved to the county just south of where Withrow is located during the Depression. They had two toddlers (my mom was one of them) and my grandmother was pregnant with the third child. My grandfather got a job clearing land for a sheep farm. Just about the only food they had was canned vegetable given to them by a family member until the vegetable garden that my grandmother planted came up (Eastern Wa has really good climate for growing food). Then they were fine, since my grandmother knew how to can vegetables, too. We've lost much of that knowledge of how to get by during tough times. I gleaned all the info I could from my dear grandma before she passed away.

I agree about finding a small farming community with a traditional culture and a Catholic history. If there is at least a history, then there may be at least Novus Ordo caths who may decide to rely more on their religion when times get tough.

Unfortunately, wherever there is even a Catholic church (NO), there are also freemasons. It's difficult to get away from them.

Are you a native Washingtonian?  A very long time ago, a man I used to get scapulars from told me that Washington is the Freemason capital of the USA.

There is no hiding place.  If you happen to think you've found one, it won't stay that way for long.