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Title: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Pax Vobis on August 03, 2017, 05:15:22 PM
Interesting facts about the coming US solar eclipse, the Sign of the Woman on Sept 23 and the reveal of Planet X, and how this will fit the description in Apocalypse chapter 12:

1) Aug 21:  Total Nationwide solar eclipse seen ONLY by citizens in the USA.
-  The last time there was a nationwide, solar eclipse that was ONLY able to be seen by the USA was in 1776, the year of the birth of our country.  Interesting.

2) There are 33 days between the solar eclipse on Aug 21 and the Great Sign on Sept 23.  33 = Interesting number.

3) Sept 23:  The 'Woman Clothed with the Sun' as described in Apocalypse chapter 12 (verse 1 and 2) will be seen in the sky.
1 (http://biblehub.com/revelation/12-1.htm)And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 (http://biblehub.com/revelation/12-2.htm)And being with child, she cried travailing in birth, and was in pain to be delivered.

-  This is the ONLY time in recorded history (7,000 years) that this configuration of stars has EVER been, or will be, this way.
-  Astronomers, using computerized charts of the heavens, have gone both to the past and future and do not see this precise configuration repeated.  Ever!
-  This sign started back in November 2016 when Jupiter (the King star and the planet of the 'messiah') entered the middle (womb) of the constellation Virgo and will remain there for approx 9 months.  The woman will have a crown of 12 stars.  You can read more here:  http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/2127-apocalypse-now-another-great-sign-rises-in-the-heavens (http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/2127-apocalypse-now-another-great-sign-rises-in-the-heavens)

4)  What is Planet X, Nirubu or the Red Dwarf Planet?
3 (http://biblehub.com/revelation/12-3.htm)And there was seen another sign in heaven: and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads, and ten horns: and on his head seven diadems: 4 (http://biblehub.com/revelation/12-4.htm)And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to be delivered; that, when she should be delivered, he might devour her son.

- Nirubu is a planetary object, with a long tail made of iron oxide, which appears red.
- It's tail has 6 main parts, which added to it's main part, gives it "7 heads" per verse 3.
- It is approaching earth between the planets of Mars and Jupiter, and it will pass through a large astroid belt (which might explain the potential of asteriods hitting earth, as St John tells us below...)
- Nirubu is very large and its gravitational pull, when it gets close to earth, could cause shifts in the poles, which will result in earthquakes, volcanos, tidal waves and other weather disturbances.  For example, Yellowstone has had increasing activity recently.  If this blows, it could set off a chain reaction over the whole country.
- This activity of Nirubu coming close to the sun, may also cause solar flares, which can have an EMP effect, resulting in the destruction of our electrical grid.  All circuitry, electronics, etc would be fried.  We would be back to living in the 1850s.
- The electrical grid can be repaired but it will take months, because it is old and not prepared for such a disaster.  It depends on if the EMP effect is localized to a few countries or if it is global.  If it affects the whole world, the grid could be down for years.
- This is all WORST CASE SCENARIO, but it could happen.
- Get food and water and necessities!  Now!
- Get in the state of grace and remember that, in the grand scheme of things, this will be a mercy from God, in His own wise and providential way!

You can use NASA's 'sky view' program to see Nirubu (it is a red planet that looks like a dragon, with a tail of stars).  If you want directions on how to use 'sky view', watch the video below at 16:30.  It may also be available on 'google sky' but for a long while, people were complaining that google had blacked out this object.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH0bFo1SQeM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH0bFo1SQeM)

5)  When will we see Planet X?
-  On October 11, the Constellation Virgo 'delivers' the Jupiter star, when Jupiter exits towards the feet (i.e. out of the womb) of the Woman.
-  This is important, because verse 4 says that the dragon stood before the woman, who was about to be delivered.  Therefore, we can conclude that we should be able to see Planet X between Sept 23 and Oct 11.
-  Of course, special feast days during the beginning of October are the 7th (feast of the Holy Rosary), the 12th (Our Lady of the Pillar) and the 13th (the 100th anniversary of Our Lady of Fatima's 'Miracle of the Sun'.)

Hope you enjoy what i've gathered.  Feel free to add more facts!
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Nooseph Polten on August 03, 2017, 07:11:11 PM
I hope the chastisement does happen, though. It would be nice to have a fresh start. 
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Pax Vobis on August 03, 2017, 08:19:21 PM
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5)  When will we see Planet X?
-  On October 11, the Constellation Virgo 'delivers' the Jupiter star, when Jupiter exits towards the feet (i.e. out of the womb) of the Woman.
-  This is important, because verse 4 says that the dragon stood before the woman, who was about to be delivered.  Therefore, we can conclude that we should be able to see Planet X between Sept 23 and Oct 11.
-  Of course, special feast days during the beginning of October are the 7th (feast of the Holy Rosary), the 12th (Our Lady of the Pillar) and the 13th (the 100th anniversary of Our Lady of Fatima's 'Miracle of the Sun'.)
The above is the literal interpretation of the Apocalypse chapter 12.  I believe that the 2 signs mentioned (the Woman and the dragon) will be literal, heavenly signs.  However, the literal interpretation of the 'woman giving birth' may not mean the Oct 11 movement of Jupiter moving out of the Virgo constellation.  Many Doctors/Fathers who have studied the Apocalypse have said that the 'Woman giving birth' could symbolize the Church about to elect a new pope.  This, of course, could also happen in Oct, as Pope Francis is old and could die at any time...but it could also happen a year from now.  The visualization of the dragon waiting that "when she should be delivered, he might devour her son" could be referring to satan's grasp on the church and his wanting to continue to control the papacy by electing one who is worldly.

Just some additional thoughts.  The only thing we can say for certain about all of this is:
1.  Aug 21 there will be a total, solar eclipse over the entire USA which hasn't happened since its founding in 1776.
2.  Sept 23 will be a heavenly sign NEVER SEEN BEFORE in history, pertaining and glorifying Our Lady.
3.  Planet X / Nirubu is real, and it is getting closer.  There are many prophecies concerning a "comet" which causes destruction.

As with the Fatima prophecies, these things are CONDITIONAL.  If we amend our lives, if we do penance, if we pray the rosary, Our Lady can obtain God's pardon.  IT'S NOT TOO LATE!
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: LaramieHirsch on August 03, 2017, 08:43:57 PM
I LOVE space news.  I was really awestruck with the New Horizons mission to Pluto, and I really enjoyed the news about the proto-planet Ceres in our asteroid belt.  

But I simply cannot fully buy into the Nibiru theory.  I can't just say: "This is definitely real, I know credible people who have seen it, and I have seen it."  It is like Y2K for me--seems silly.  

That being said, I can't help myself.  I'll probably eventually cover the subject in the next week on the blog.  People like it, and frankly I have no opposition to fanciful ponderings.  I mean, I sometimes entertain the thought of geocentrism.  So I figure "why not?"
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: RoughAshlar on August 03, 2017, 08:46:26 PM
Just a few points?

1)Don't know where you guys are getting your solar information but this is the first total eclipse of the Sun visible from the contiguous United States (excluding Alaska and Hawaii) since February 26, 1979. The last time a total eclipse was visible from coast to coast was on June 8, 1918.

2)The path of the solar eclipse you are referring to is linked here https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEsearch/SEsearchmap.php?Ecl=-17761130

3) If you have ever visited Yellowstone Park, they will tell you they experience near daily 3.0-4.0 earthquakes.  The activity isn't really interesting

4 Nirubu....Wll I'll just copy/paste this off Wikipedia: 
The Nibiru cataclysm is a supposed disastrous encounter between the Earth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth) and a large planetary object (either a collision or a near-miss (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-Earth_object)) which certain groups believe will take place in the early 21st century. Believers in this doomsday event (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risks_to_civilization,_humans,_and_planet_Earth) usually refer to this object as Planet X (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_X) or Nibiru. The idea that a planet-sized object will collide with or closely pass by Earth in the near future is not supported by any scientific evidence and has been rejected by astronomers and planetary scientists as pseudoscience (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscience) and an Internet hoax (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoax).[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_cataclysm#cite_note-govert-2)[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_cataclysm#cite_note-NASA2012dec22-3)

The idea was first put forward in 1995 by Nancy Lieder,[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_cataclysm#cite_note-4)[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_cataclysm#cite_note-5) founder of the website ZetaTalk. Lieder describes herself as a contactee (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contactee) with the ability to receive messages from extraterrestrials (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterrestrials) from the Zeta Reticuli (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeta_Reticuli) star system through an implant in her brain.




Just a thought, but this doesn't really sound like the second coming. 



Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Pax Vobis on August 03, 2017, 09:12:23 PM
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1)Don't know where you guys are getting your solar information but this is the first total eclipse of the Sun visible from the contiguous United States (excluding Alaska and Hawaii) since February 26, 1979. The last time a total eclipse was visible from coast to coast was on June 8, 1918.
Agreed.  However, some astronomers are making a further distinction and saying that this coast-to-coast eclipse is ONLY visible to the USA (no other country) and this hasn't happened since 1776.  The 1918 eclipse was visible from coast-to-coast but also visible to other countries.  

As far as Nirubu is concerned, in the early 80s it was widely reported in the Washington Post and other major newspapers that NASA said a planetary object had entered our solar system and was something like 80 billion light years away.  In the early 90s it was again reported by NASA that this object was only 30 billion light years away.  Then the story disappeared from their archives and it hasn't been mentioned since and it has denied it was ever reported.

If such an object is headed our way and will cause mass destruction, and the satanic-worshiping govt officials from around the world have known about this for 30+ years, with enough time to build bunkers and stockpile food, and prepare themselves to survive, do you really trust your govt enough to warn you about it, if they can use such an event for their own purposes (i.e. marshall law, evidence of climate change, evidence of aliens, etc, etc)?  I don't.  How many other hundreds of things have the lied about??
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Pax Vobis on August 04, 2017, 04:11:16 PM
More interesting "coincidences" concerning Aug 21 and Sept 23.  This information came from a protestant video who ties biblical and Jєωιѕн history together, which may or may not make any sense, but considering how closely that the US and Israel are tied together politically, and since the Aug 21 eclipse is ONLY seen in the US, I think the ties between the countries are important.


The Sign of Jonas
Matthew 12:38-40
38 Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered him, saying: Master we would see a sign from thee.
39 Who answering said to them: An evil and adulterous generation seeketh a sign: and a sign shall not be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.
40 For as Jonas was in the whale's belly three days and three nights: so shall the Son of man be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.

What does the 'sign of Jonah' have to do with the upcoming solar eclipse?  I'll tell you.  It has to do with the people of Ninevah, whom Jonah was sent to tell to repent.  The bible tells us that Ninevah did repent and God spared them.  But WHY did they repent?  Because God provided them a sign in the heavens.  In 763 BC, almost right over the city of Ninevah (now known as Mosul), one of the most famous eclipses in ancient history happened.  It is known as the "Bur-Sagale Eclipse" and was widely known throughout the secular world, being recorded on cuniform tablets called the "Assyrian Eponym Canon".

Now, the obvious 'sign' given to the Jєωs by Christ, related to Jonas, is Christ's being in the 'belly of the earth' for 3 days, whereupon He resurrected, since Jonas was in the belly of the whale for 3 days.  However, let's not forget the 2nd part of the sign of Jonas (the eclipse), which happened during Christ's crucifixion from noon to 3.

And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole earth until the ninth hour.  (Mark 15:33)

And after Christ died, there were earthquakes and people rose from the dead and other tribulations.  

Further, back to Ninevah and Jonas...around the time of the eclipse, there were earthquakes, plagues and military losses.


WWI Eclipse  August 21, 1914
Related to WWI.  There was a total solar eclipse on Aug 21, 1914 in eastern europe.  WWI had already started 2 months earlier, when Franz Ferdinand was αssαssιnαtҽd on June 28, 1914.  War had started on the eastern european front.

Pope St Pius X died the day before, on August 20, 1914, only a few hours before German forces marched into Brussels!

USA Eclipse June 8, 1918
The last eclipse seen, coast to coast, in the US was in 1918, over 99 years ago.  In January 1918 the Spanish flu pandemic started and gradually grew in size until 1/3 of the world was infected.  Between 10-20% of those infected died.  3-6% of the entire world died (50-100 million), though it hit the US particularly hard, compared to other countries.


August 21, 2017
The Aug 21 eclipse will start on the west coast in the USA at the EXACT minute when Jerusalem has their sunset (7:16pm).  So, the sun goes dark on Jerusalem and the US at the exact same time.

The first day of the 12th month of Israel starts on Aug 21, which is called the month of the harvest.  We all know the metaphors used in the bible for the harvest; usually refers to Judgement Day.

The US is scheduled to have another total solar eclipse in 2024...7 years later.

The path of the eclipse over the US crosses through all the major earthquake zones of our country.  The 'earthquake hazard zone' map shows the Cascadia on the west coast, thru yellowstone, thru the 'new madrid' area in TN, KY, thru S. Appalachia and finally right through charleston, SC.  All these are MAJOR earthquake zones.  FEMA's "earthquake damage zone" map also agrees with the eclipse's path.  Coincidence?

September 23, 2017
The Jєωιѕн feast of Rosh Hashana is on Sept 22.  It is their New Year and is a 2 day festival, meaning the festival will end on Sept 23.  The feast day is one of celebration but also repentance from sin.


April 8, 2024 - the next US solar eclipse
March 31, 2024 is Easter Sunday.  The next sunday, the day before the eclipse is April 7, which is known as "Mercy Sunday".  April 8 would also be a religious holiday for Jerusalem, Nisan 1, which is the Religious New Year.

If you overlap the Aug 21 and April 8 eclipse paths, both cross in one area only and that is at the seismic area known as the 'new madrid' where the mississippi and ohio rivers meet, near intersection of illinois, indiana and kentucky.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UMEUNopF0s
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: LaramieHirsch on August 04, 2017, 06:20:10 PM
More interesting "coincidences...
:facepalm: Just watched the video you linked to.  It's so embarrassing to watch--even alone.  I'm so tired of apocalyptic and melodramatic youtube videos.  They infantilize people on these topics.  
I really hate those youtube videos about important and historical things where the beginning of the video starts with intense classical music--as if your life depends on watching it.    
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: LaramieHirsch on August 04, 2017, 06:40:54 PM
I finally got to the part with the lecture.  Sounds rather ominous.  

It's a tragedy that we are not getting this kind of information from our own pastors--who are too busy tearing apart what took ages to build up.  What a sad thing when Catholics end up turning to the research of Protestants in order to increase their awareness.  But this is the world we presently live in.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Incredulous on August 04, 2017, 08:49:43 PM
I finally got to the part with the lecture.  Sounds rather ominous.  

It's a tragedy that we are not getting this kind of information from our own pastors--who are too busy tearing apart what took ages to build up.  What a sad thing when Catholics end up turning to the research of Protestants in order to increase their awareness.  But this is the world we presently live in.

My friends showed a young Tridentine Mass priest from South America the protestant video, "Marching to Zion", which exposes the lies of Judaic тαℓмυdism.
Marching to Zion (https://youtu.be/typ2pl2L47k)
The priest was impressed and the same time embarrassed for his fellow Catholics, for our inability understand and speak as well as the protestants did on the subject.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Pax Vobis on August 04, 2017, 08:51:50 PM
Yeah, there are a ton of protestants studying this thing and they make some great connections to the Old Testament in their biblical analysis.  If they are useful for anything, they do know the Bible, from a historic standpoint.  

Of course, then they read Apocalypse chapter 12 and it says "the Woman clothes with the sun..." which is such an obvious reference to Our Lady, and they have no idea what to say, or how it fits in with anything going on presently.  So they try to make connections to the state of Israel. Haha.  It's comical.  

***In case anyone missed the obvious importance of August 21 from my first post, as I didn't point it out, it is the day before Aug 22, which is the feast of the Immaculate Heart, which is related to Fatima....
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Dana on August 04, 2017, 10:08:05 PM
Another interesting point to note is that August 21st is also the anniversary of the apparition of Our Lady at Knock, Ireland in 1879. I believe it was Cassini from the forum who presented some information awhile back about Knock, and the many references to the book of Apocalypse, albeit from interpretation of the silent apparition and the symbolism contained therein.

I think raising awareness on the topic is good. Our Lord said, "There will be signs....." 

Most people don't even think to take note of their surroundings anymore, especially the young people.  If something was heading our way, it would catch us all by surprise.  
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Pax Vobis on August 05, 2017, 01:21:58 PM

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Another interesting point to note is that August 21st is also the anniversary of the apparition of Our Lady at Knock, Ireland in 1879. 


Yes, great point!  I didn't know about the anniversary.  Knock is very important and it is related to LaSallete...which is then related to Fatima.  We're going full circle here.  Here is a great series of articles written on Knock, which connects this apparition to La Salette and Fatima.  The author does an outstanding job and the series is still ongoing.
http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/a056_Knock_1.html


On 21 August 1879, Pope Leo XIII formally granted a Canonical Coronation to the image at the Basilica of Our Lady of La Salette.
On that same day, a day that must be acknowledged as the public and official recognition by the Church of the apparition of La Salette, the Mother of God was also appearing in the little village of Knock (http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/a060_Knock_2.html), Ireland. In other words, on August 21, 1879, we have Our Lady of Knock gazing in the direction of La Salette and Rome on the exact day, perhaps even the same hour, as the ceremonies recognizing the Apparition of La Salette were occurring. 

If we try to find a complement for the message of La Salette in the silent symbolism of Knock, we see that the crisis in the Church prophesized in La Salette are confirmed by the presence of St. John, who appeared as a Bishop with a book – probably the Apocalypse – in his hand. This is tantamount to him saying: “The crisis that Our Lady predicted in La Salette, which will make Rome become the seat of the Antichrist and will represent the eclipse of the Church, I also prophesized in the Apocalypse.”

Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: LaramieHirsch on August 06, 2017, 07:09:41 AM
You guys convinced me.  

I had to start looking up whatever I could to find all the stuff I could say about this month's eclipse.  And then write about it.  

The Great American Eclipse (http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.com/2017/08/the-great-american-eclipse.html)

Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Pax Vobis on August 06, 2017, 11:56:19 AM
Great article, LaramieHirsch!  I didn't know about the comet on January 1st.  I've bookmarked your blog for future reading.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: LaramieHirsch on August 07, 2017, 02:22:29 PM
I may write on astronomical things all week.  It's fun.  

Today's post was:

The Tears of St. Lawrence Will Be Their Brightest In 2017 (http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.com/2017/08/the-tears-of-st-lawrence-will-be-their.html)

"2017 is not over yet.  If this year is a momentous year of signs in the heavens, then perhaps the brightest meteor shower ever from a constellation that is a type of Christ-figure, whose name means to waste, ravage, sack, and destroy--well, perhaps this is another significant thing to take into consideration."  
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Lighthouse on August 07, 2017, 11:42:00 PM
"As far as Nirubu is concerned, in the early 80s it was widely reported in the Washington Post and other major newspapers that NASA said a planetary object had entered our solar system and was something like 80 billion light years away.  In the early 90s it was again reported by NASA that this object was only 30 billion light years away.  Then the story disappeared from their archives and it hasn't been mentioned since and it has denied it was ever reported."

Sorry to rain on your parade, but if an object were 30 billion light years away, it would not be anywhere close to entering our solar system.  A light year is the distance that light travels in one year. An object that has an observable mass could not reach even a small percentage of the speed of light. If something is 80 million, or 30 million, or even a half million light years away, I doubt it will get here by next Christmas. I'm not too worried.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: LaramieHirsch on August 08, 2017, 05:41:47 AM
At this point, I gave Nibiru just about all the attention I'm going to commit to print.

If I see something during the eclipse, I'll expand what I've written.  Otherwise, I've covered this fad and am ready to move on.


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"When the eclipse of August 21st happens--the entire sky will be blackened.  We will see the stars.  Sure, we in the United States will be able to witness an amazing total solar eclipse.  It should prove to be a sublime occasion.  However, it is possible that we might also be able to see the constellation Virgo.  Her constellation will be located towards the East-Southeastern horizon.  If there truly is a Red Dragon at the legs of Virgo, we will be able to see it on that day without having to depend on ANY kind of public astronomy software that may block us."


Nibiru!!! (http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.com/2017/08/nibiru.html)

I'm not even promoting this article much on the interwebz.  Though, I'm sure the readers will gravitate toward it heavily anyway.  The kiddies eat this stuff up.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Pax Vobis on August 08, 2017, 10:11:51 AM
"As far as Nirubu is concerned, in the early 80s it was widely reported in the Washington Post and other major newspapers that NASA said a planetary object had entered our solar system and was something like 80 billion light years away.  In the early 90s it was again reported by NASA that this object was only 30 billion light years away.  Then the story disappeared from their archives and it hasn't been mentioned since and it has denied it was ever reported."

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Sorry to rain on your parade, but if an object were 30 billion light years away, it would not be anywhere close to entering our solar system.  A light year is the distance that light travels in one year. An object that has an observable mass could not reach even a small percentage of the speed of light. If something is 80 million, or 30 million, or even a half million light years away, I doubt it will get here by next Christmas. I'm not too worried.
Sorry, it was not 'light years'.  In the early 80s, this object was 80 billion miles away.  In the early 90s it was 30 billion miles away.  It's had 25 years to get a LOT closer.  Very do-able.
Here are some prophecies concerning 'the comet':

"One day, before the Comet shines, a lot of People (that inspired present company excepted) from Need and Misery will be wanting a Home. The great Empire in the Sea, who are a different Folk stock and origin, will be devastated by Earthquake, Storm and Flood. This Empire will suffer much Misfortune from the Sea. It will be divided into two islands and part of it will sink. The distant possession in the East will be lost through a Tiger and a Lion."
-St Hilarion (371), speaking of what many believe is England

The Comet by its tremendous pressure, will force much out of the ocean and flood many countries, causing much want and many plagues. [After the] great Comet, the great nation will be devastated by earthquakes, storms, and great waves of water, causing much want and plagues. The ocean will also flood many other countries, so that all coastal cities will live in fear, with many destroyed. All sea coast cities will be fearful and many of them will be destroyed by tidal waves, and most living creatures will be killed and even those who escape will die from a horrible disease.
- St Hildegard

Rigord of St. Denis ~
A comet will be seen in heaven -- a star, that is, with a tail or appendage -- and this apparition will signify destructions and tumults and hard strifes, and withholding of rains, and dryness of the earth, and mighty battles, and the flowing of blood upon the earth of the east, and from beyond the River Habor it will reach to the very end of the west. And the just and the truly righteous will be oppressed and will suffer persecutions, and the house of prayer will be destroyed.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: LaramieHirsch on August 09, 2017, 12:32:04 AM
In the early 80s, this object was 80 billion miles away.  In the early 90s it was 30 billion miles away.  It's had 25 years to get a LOT closer.  Very do-able.

Technically, you're correct.  
Like I said in my article:

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Consider that our New Horizons probe took nine years to get from Earth to Pluto.  The probe is traveling at a solar-escape trajectory of 36,373 miles per hour, and it's the fastest spacecraft we've ever launched from Earth.
Does a planet travel that fast?  Sure.  Mercury travels at 108,000 miles per hour.  The earth travels at 67,000 miles per hour through our solar system.  The gas giant Jupiter travels at 29,236 miles per hour.  Neptune clocks in at 12,253. 
So, supposing this Planet X is coming in from the outer edges of the solar system, and supposing it's traveling at the speed of the New Horizon's probe, that means that we've had at least nine years to see this planetary body in the sky.  
So, it's possible that a planet could have been travelling into the solar system at fast solar-system-traversing speeds.  
However, I still remain a skeptic.  
Pax Vobis, you and one other guy are the main targeted audiences of that little expose I wrote!
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: LaramieHirsch on August 09, 2017, 02:39:57 AM
I've have some concluding thoughts about all of these astronomical spectacles we've been treated to this year.  

This newest article (http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.com/2017/08/throwing-cold-water-on-astronomical.html) I wrote tonight is, apparently, a part of a growing series now titled: The 2017 Signs and Wonders Series.


Quote
"Perhaps massive spontaneous illness and death following an unforgettable world war is worthy of a signature by the moon's shadow.  Perhaps in 1918, the United States deserved to be autographed by the moon from sea to shining sea.  Yet, if we're going to consider the eclipse of 1918 and 2017 to be momentous occasions and omens, then we certainly cannot discount those other two eclipses that traversed the northern and southern portions of North America--Canada and Mexico, respectively."

Throwing Cold Water On Astronomical "Signs" (http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.com/2017/08/throwing-cold-water-on-astronomical.html)

http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.com/2017/08/throwing-cold-water-on-astronomical.html (http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.com/2017/08/throwing-cold-water-on-astronomical.html)

You guys did this to me.  Pax Vobis, I blame you.  

Furthermore, I've decided to drive up to Columbia Missouri (provided traffic doesn't stop me) to see this total solar eclipse.  When I'm up there watching this thing, I will turn my eyes to the southeast to see the constellation of Virgo at 1pm in the afternoon, and I will look with my naked eyes to see this supposed and rumored "red dragon" at the legs of Virgo.  We shall see.  And I shall report.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Dolores on August 09, 2017, 05:58:45 AM
As far as Nirubu is concerned, in the early 80s it was widely reported in the Washington Post and other major newspapers that NASA said a planetary object had entered our solar system and was something like 80 billion light years away.  In the early 90s it was again reported by NASA that this object was only 30 billion light years away.  Then the story disappeared from their archives and it hasn't been mentioned since and it has denied it was ever reported.
Something is very wrong with your information.

First of all, the diameter of the Solar System is only 0.5 to 2 light years, depending on how you define the edge of the solar system.  So, the idea that "a planetary object had entered our solar system and was something like 80 billion light years away" is nonsensical.  80 billion light years is an extremely vast distance.

Also nonsensical is the suggestion that an object was 80 billions light years away, and then was 30 billion light years away 10 years later.  The definition of a light year is the distance is takes light to travel in one year.  In other words, it would take light 50 billion years to travel the distance you are suggesting this planetary object moved in merely 10 years.  Something is every wrong with your information.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Pax Vobis on August 09, 2017, 07:08:44 AM
Dolores, you are correct, as someone else pointed out.  I mistyped.  Not 80 and 30 billion light years, but 80 and 30 billion miles.  Sorry for the error
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Dolores on August 09, 2017, 08:45:23 AM
Dolores, you are correct, as someone else pointed out.  I mistyped.  Not 80 and 30 billion light years, but 80 and 30 billion miles.  Sorry for the error
Ah, that makes more sense.  Thanks for the clarification.

You mentioned that this was reported in the media back in the 80s and 90s.  Do you have any links to these stories?
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Pax Vobis on August 09, 2017, 11:03:34 AM
http://www.activistpost.com/2011/07/washington-post-1983-planet-x-elenin.html (http://www.activistpost.com/2011/07/washington-post-1983-planet-x-elenin.html)

The one in the 90s was published by NASA and it got so much attention a few years later, that NASA said its archives were experiencing 'issues'.  The entire archive for that year is 'unavailable'.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Merry on August 19, 2017, 07:20:25 PM
In his book, "Catholic Prophecy," Yves duPont has a chapter on The Comet, pg. 83.  Some of his info sounds similar to what has been said already on this thread.  He seems to think The Comet is related to the 3 Days' Darkness?  Anyway, here is a link -

 https://archive.org/details/CatholicProphecy  
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: MyrnaM on August 20, 2017, 06:50:51 PM
"On November 20, 2016, an astronomical event begins that will last nine and a half months, culminating in startling concurrence with the vision of Revelation 12. While I am not an astronomer, all my research indicates that this astronomical event, in all its particulars, is unique in the history of man.

On November 20, 2016, Jupiter (the King planet) enters into the body (womb) of the constellation Virgo (the virgin). Jupiter, due its retrograde motion, will spend the next 9 ½ months within the womb of Virgo. This length of time corresponds with gestation period of a normal late-term baby.

After 9 ½ months, Jupiter exits out of the womb of Virgo. Upon Jupiter’s exit (birth), on September 23, 2017, we see the constellation Virgo with the sun rise directly behind it (the woman clothed with the sun). At the feet of Virgo, we find the moon. And upon her head we find a crown of twelve stars, formed by the usual nine stars of the constellation Leo with the addition of the planets Mercury, Venus, and Mars.

That is a truly remarkable and, as far as I can determine, unique series of event with a startling degree of concurrence with the vision of Revelation 12.

So what does it mean, if anything? The obvious and truthful answer is that we simply do not know. That said, we are not entirely without possible context.

It just so happens that these events transpire during the 100th anniversary of the apparitions of “the woman clothed in the sun,” Our Lady at Fatima in 1917. The culmination of these astronomical events occurs just 3 weeks before the 100th anniversary of the great miracle of Fatima, in which the sun “danced” (another heavenly sign), an event that was witnessed by many thousands.

… I must also note that the date the astronomical event begins, November 20, 2016, is the very day that Pope Francis’ declared “Year of Mercy” comes to an end. The very same day is the Feast of Christ the King."


The Link (https://www.romancatholicman.com/striking-phenomena-centennial-year-fatima/)
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on August 20, 2017, 11:34:37 PM
Our Lady of Knock, Pray for us.
St. Pope Pius X, Pray for us. 
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: cassini on August 22, 2017, 06:33:19 AM
Our Lady of Knock, Pray for us.
St. Pope Pius X, Pray for us.

Interesting thread, one close to my own studies.

Anyone ever heard of 'perturbations'? According to Isaac Newton's theory of gravity, every body in the his solar system is causing other bodies to be pulled out of their orbits. If these are ongoing through the his solar system, how then can eclipses be predicted with such accuracy over time? That total eclipse was confined to a small path only, and only if you were at this path would you see a total eclipse of the sun. The answer of course is that 'perturbations' are an invention to accommodate the lie of heliocentrism. In fact, as St Thomas held, the order of the universe is kept so because the angels keep it that way, for only they, working for God, could possibly hold the moving universe according to His purpose, "to bring day and night, and seasons, and signs on the earth until the end of the world.

Then I read about millions of light years. Light-year distances are another product of heliocentric indoctrination. They are based on heliocentric maths. But geocentrism, which according to Einstein and science, is equally viable, there are no maths to gauge the distance of stars. Why then should one of two scientific possibilities be taken as a fact?

Space-time: You all know that the age of the universe is based by modern science on the distance of stars. But Genesis tell us that when man was created by God on Earth the light from the stars were visible to him. This totally eliminates the idea that the stars we see took billions of light-years to reach us. Thus, according to Genesis, the universe we see is in our time, not space time, but universal time. If however we see a star explode, the light from that explosion cannot have taken more than 7,000 years to reach us.

Then there is Knock, an interpretation of which I will give later if any are interested.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: nctradcath on August 22, 2017, 08:06:10 AM
Please give it Cassini. I am interested.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: MyrnaM on August 22, 2017, 08:43:27 AM
Please give it Cassini. I am interested.
Yes, please as nctradcath requested pass it along to us!
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Pax Vobis on August 22, 2017, 09:53:10 AM
Yes, I would like to hear more on Knock.  As I pointed out earlier in this thread, a gentleman started a series of articles which tie Knock to LaSalette and Fatima.  These can be found on the 'tradition in action' site (link posted already).  It's VERY well done.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: cassini on August 22, 2017, 10:58:24 AM
Please give it Cassini. I am interested.
La Salette and Knock
As interpreted by a friend (of Cassini's) with some additions.
 
Heaven’s awareness of the freemasonic revolution against Christ was made known first to a French nun Sister Marie de St Pierre (1816-184) and then by her request at La Salette in France on Sept. 19, 1846, where a crowned Mother of God appeared to two children. Among the most poignant messages was that: ‘Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the Antichrist.’ Three popes, Pius IX, Leo XIII and Pius X, approved this apparition, but the message was met with furious opposition from many bishops. It seems the Masons and some Masonic-controlled clergy already ensconced in the Church, must not have wanted any such revelations to be taken seriously.
     Thirty-three years after the apparition, on 20th August 1879, a basilica at La Salette was consecrated, and the following day, August 21st, the Archbishop of Paris in France (representing the Melchisedech Priesthood and Melchisedech Kingship) crowned the statue of the Virgin of La Salette according to the prescription of the sacred Congregation of Rites. Heaven’s awareness, it seems, was given new impetus.
     On the same day as this coronation, 21st August 1879, as only heaven can co-ordinate, there occurred an active but silent apparition at Knock, a small town of Connaught in the west of Ireland (as in ‘To Hell or to Connaught’ – Oliver Cromwell).  On a miserable wet night, outside the gable-end of the church of St John the Baptist, ‘dedicated to all the nations of the world’, there appeared a sight that included Saint John the Evangelist (Powers-Priesthood-Tiara), The Virgin Mary, St Joseph (Powers-Priesthood-Tiara), and the Lamb on an altar (Holy Sacrifice of the Mass) surrounded by angels, all bathed in a wondrous light. The figures, which stood a few feet off the ground, showed St Joseph - his head bowed, glancing sideways, isolated and separated by a mysterious black line noticed by at least one witness, and Mary, wearing a crown as in La Salette (Principalities-Thrones) but separated from the lamb on the altar by St John in full Mass vestments, with a book (the same book represented on the Masonic ‘Point Within a Circle’?) in one hand while gesturing in a preaching stance with the other. 
 
PICTURE OF APPARITION SHOULD BE HERE. - SORRY I AM UNABLE TO POST PICTURES - PERHAPS SOMEONE ELSE CAN
 
The apparition at Knock cannot be interpreted by theological norms. Its purpose is allegorical, coming as it did in the wake of the attack on the principalities of Christendom, and the Papal States - by then replaced by Masonic republics, democracies etc - all now under the sole protection of Mary in heaven; and on the same day both Powers crowned the statue of Our Lady of Salette, and involving as it did so prominently both St Johns, it is clearly Melchisedech and Johannine. The message of Knock therefore, is for Freemasons, showing them that heaven is aware of the state of the world and the state of the Melchisedech war. 

to be continued next post
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: cassini on August 22, 2017, 11:05:06 AM
Knock and Associated Matters
An allegorical interpretation as given to me
 
In 1879, on a miserable wet night, in a meadow field outside the gable-end of the church of St John the Baptist, there occurred an active but silent (i.e., the figures were speaking but could not be heard) apparition at Knock, [1] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn1)a small town in Connaught in the west of Ireland. The apparition, which lit the immediate area with a brilliant light, included magnificent images of the Virgin Mary, St Joseph, St John the Evangelist, the Lamb on an empty altar, it of course representing Christ and the Sacrifice, and some angels in attendance. This vision, mounted on an invisible platform on top of the tall grass, showed the Blessed Virgin, with her hands held up looking and praying to heaven. It showed a vested St John, superimposed between Mary and the Lamb, holding a book (the Roman missal - now redundant in the post Vatican II era, or perhaps his book of Revelation) in one hand while gesturing in a preaching stance with the other. St Joseph, with his head bowed and glancing sideways, was isolated, separated by a mysterious black line, noticed only by a few of the selected observers and seldom mentioned in books on the apparition. 
    
‘Though the Knock witnesses experienced various emotions – happiness, wonder, devotion, exaltation of spirit, one being moved to tears – not one of them was rapt in ecstasy. None of them heard a word; neither did they receive any interior message or sign. That the Mother of God, who bade Bernadette pray for sinners, who had pleaded for conversion of life at La Salette, for prayers and penance at Fatima, should have remained silent to her devoted Irish children was, and still is, a stumbling block to many. There was no message, they say, so the Apparition is devoid of meaning.’ [2] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn2)
 
Of course there was a message. Heaven does not indulge in meaningless pictures, but few, if any, could/can interpret it. The main reason for this is because Knock was not a ‘Marian’ message but a Johannine one, and, like his Apocalypse, has to be read in an allegorical sense.[3] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn3)Thus a considerable amount of research on the place and its history is needed to begin to try to interpret the message or warning. So, we can ask: (1) Why Knock: (2) To whom was it addressed: (3) Why was it silent: (4) What was it trying to tell us? 
     Before one can possibly try to understand such ‘messages’ from heaven, one must fully accept and comprehend the war declared by God in Genesis 3:15 between the Christ and the antichrist, and how this battle of ‘Principalities and Powers’ is carried out on a temporal and spiritual plane. The message of Knock, we suspect, was, like the Book of Revelation, a warning to the flock of the current state of this war as it was in 1879 and into the future. Here is why we interpret it so:
 
Why Knock?
It is a fact that the only place where the word allegory is mentioned in Scripture is in St Paul’s Letter to the Galatians: ‘things are said by an allegory’ (Gal. 4:24). We also know that it was the Galatians who were advised that if an angel from heaven should preach a different gospel to that which they had been taught, to reject it. (Gal 1) 
     Scholars on the origin of European peoples tell us that a fair number of the old and true Galatians (Celts) had migrated to Ireland and settled here. Then along came Oliver Cromwell with his infamous reform in the sixteenth century, and ordered all Catholics of Ireland to decide their destiny: ‘To hell or to Connaught’. Choosing Connaught to hell, the Galatians Catholics moved into this desolate, infertile and barren west of Ireland where they continued to be persecuted in any event. It was their descendants that occupied Knock in 1879.
     These then were the same flock that St Paul had advised that ‘things are said by allegory’, a people worthy to convey to the world a message wrapped in allegory.
    
A Pattern
Cromwell, that docuмented Satanist who conquered in the name of God, was the first to deliberately usurp the divine right of kings by purging his own in England and replacing him with the beginnings of freemasonic ‘democracy,’ where men and not kings subservient to God would rule the world according to their own laws. Cromwell, who committed untold atrocities against the Catholic Irish, was a champion of what he called ‘religious liberty,’ but this liberty did not include traditional Catholicism and certainly not the traditional Latin Mass which he hated, a policy identical with that pertaining within the Modernist Churchmen of post Vatican II.
     The Parish Priest of Knock at the time was Archdeacon Cavanagh, a saintly man, full of devotion to Our Lady and her Immaculate Conception. Knock, a barren place, poor in earthly goods, but rich in grace and good works, was a fitting place for a message from heaven. In May of 1879, Fr Cavanagh began a novena of 100 Masses for the souls in Purgatory, the final Mass being said on the morning of the day that the vision appeared. Not known to many and hardly ever broached is the fact that in Mayo at the time, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ was active. It has been written that a group of Freemasons from Foxford had planned to ambush Fr Cavanagh and cut off his ears on the day he finished his century of Masses.
     Fascinating and wonderful as the actual events of the sighting were, space does not permit a complete account. We can say the sensational events of the day saved Fr Cavanagh ears, but as divine Providence would have it this saintly priest was not to witness the vision. A reason for this could be to save the vision from accusations of being conjured up by a priest so pious and spiritual that the world may not have believed it. Instead it was to be witnessed by a group of people, of all ages, the likes of which could be found anywhere. Such a group could not be said to have had illusions, nor could a motive for any conspiracy be levelled at them. Great miracles later gave final witness to its authenticity.
 
To whom was it Addressed?
St John the Baptist Church had an inscription on the west wall that read:
My house shall be called the house of prayer to all nations. This is the gate of the Lord: the just shall enter into it.’
Knock then was a link ‘to all nations.’ There was also something unique as regards those that witnessed it. Unlike the Marion apparitions of the times, messages confined to one, two or three persons, usually children,[4] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn4)eighteen people were granted the sight at Knock, aged between six and seventy-five. Here is a second sign that the vision was meant for the special attention of all those that would heed it.
     Delving back into history we find that in response to Cromwell’s campaign to destroy the Christian Kingdom of Ireland, the Catholic Ecclesiastical Congregation of the Kingdom of Ireland met at Clonmacnoise on the 4th of December 1649, and issued a Motu Proprio, warning Catholics not to be deceived by those supposedly acting in the name of God.[5] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn5)Given the universal nature of a proprio motu, i.e., a message for ‘all nations’, we feel there is a continuity and connection between the three elements mentioned here.    
 
Why was it silent?
In the plan of God for men, He set up many a hierarchy: one being a chain of communication between God, the Pope, a King, down to the peasants scattered throughout the kingdom. Such a link began when Constantine placed his kingdom into the society intended by Christ. Later the Pope would crown the King of the Franks with divine approval. The Pope would represent heaven, taking his authority from God Himself. The king would take his authority from the Pope and so on down to the common people. Rome in turn made provision for this hierarchy by providing a special place at Church Councils for those kings loyal to God, the Church, the Pope and his definitions, declarations and social instructions.
     Responding to heaven’s challenge to Satan’s dominion, in a master plan from hell, the earthly Illuminati would devote themselves to eliminating this worldwide Christian society. To sever this relationship all one had to do was remove the temporal kingship and whole nations could be lured into apostasy just as whole peoples were Christianised through king and country. Breaking this crucial link between God and His people was the first step in Satan’s counter-offensive in the war of Genesis 3:15. What is not commonly known is that the Freemasons claimed complete victory after the First World War, a war, as we know, begun by a planned assassination. At Vatican I in 1870, only one kingdom; that of Portugal, sat in the royal box giving public witness to their remaining loyalty to God and Pope. [6] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn6)
 
"Two months before the invasion of Rome, Pius IX had presided over the final session of the Vatican Council. In contrast to the opening a year before, St Peter’s was almost deserted. In the royal box, there were two ladies, one of them the Infanta of Portugal (The royal title of the Kingdom of Portugal), as well as a decrepit officer with the Order of St Januarius blazoned across his chest. The diplomatic box, too, had many vacant seats. The Great Powers had instructed their ambassadors to boycott a function in which there was no mileage for them." --- Vicars of Christ: The Dark Side of the Papacy by Peter de Rosa ... (http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.goodreads.com%2Fbook%2Fshow%2F1915038.Vicars_of_Christ&ei=Xqd-UeezHsOXhQf6voHQBw&usg=AFQjCNG4tTYpytxIJ-N4YJHKOOAWECQvQw&sig2=eWIaYroRvgre0DX74KwKjw&bvm=bv.45645796,d.ZG4)
    
The symbolic end of God’s terrestrial Principalities occurred when the Pope had to surrender to the freemasonic forces laying siege to last of the Vatican states by raising the white flag of surrender in 1870, 40 years after Our Lady predicted the date in her message to St Catherine Laboure in 1830. Giuseppe Garibaldi actually sat on the chair of Peter vacated by Pius IX. The timing here was deliberate, for it interrupted the Council itself, preventing God knows how many definitions of faith that might have thwarted the freemasonic-led Modernists that were emerging at the time.
     We interpret the silence of the vision and the fact that it was elevated off the land, neither of the earth nor of heaven, to the fact that the traditional means of communication between God and His people, that is, through the hierarchy between God, Pope and king down to the common people, had by then been eliminated by тαℓмυdic Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. It is Interesting to note that the apparition of Our Lady of Hope at Pontmain, France, in the same year (1870) was also silent. In that case however, letters in the sand were provided by which the children spelled out the message. But there was no communication at all at Knock.
     This interpretation is not affected by the fact that in 1917 there was a ‘speaking’ intervention between heaven and a multitude on earth, for Fatima is in Portugal, the last remaining kingdom present at the council, the one land where such a public communication might take place.
Now there may be some who would contend that the endless series of ‘Marian’ visions at Mudjugorje shows this assertion to be untrue. But Medjugorje of the ‘lying wonders’ is not Catholic and therefore is not from heaven but movies from hell. The ‘visions’ of Mudjugorje, if true, allegedly began on the Masonic hour on the feast of St. John the Baptist (June 24th 1981), the adopted patron of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ with its passion for symbols and secret signs. Satan, we know, or should know, will do whatever it takes to spread relevant error. In this case he has attracted millions of Catholics (and many non-Catholics) to this place, gets them on their knees praying, confessing, fasting or whatever, and then delivers to them a large slice of false тαℓмυdic democracy, ecuмenism and error. Docuмented evidence, as well as personal conversation with some that regularly went there and who found this out for themselves, has convinced us that there is on offer here from ‘the Virgin’, the hoary old freemasonic idea that all religions must be moulded into one universal religion, the ‘all roads lead to heaven’ belief, for we all supposedly have the same God. In other words there is a rejection here of the dogma that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. This ideology of course flies in the face of Fatima where Our Lady called for prayers for the conversion of all sinners. With God there cannot be any contradictions, so faithful Catholics must reject all such inconsistency. The popularity of this place, with its supposed daily contact to heaven and its seductive nature according to the new order of Vatican II, is however enough to convince most to turn a blind eye to its heretical promulgations and all that supposedly goes on there. Such is the art of satanic deceit.     

MORE COMING

[1] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref1)From the Gaelic word Cnoc, a hill.
[2] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref2)Mary Purcell, Our Lady of Knock, p.18.
[3] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref3)A form of exegesis thrown out by Martin Luther and one that is hardly ever found among modern Catholics.
[4] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref4)Lourdes-one: La Salette-two, and later Fatima-three.
[5] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref5)See, for example, Tom Reilly, Cromwell, Brandon Books, Dublin, 1999, pp.292-3.
[6] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref6)Had Ireland had a King, he would have been there also.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: cassini on August 22, 2017, 11:49:30 AM
KNOCK CONTINUED

Allegory:
     The next step is to try to interpret the ‘message’ of Knock. We must now consider the significance of the figures involved and the positions or stances they take. Let us first ask why the two St Johns are included in the apparition, one because the church is in his name and the other because he is included in the apparition. These saints, combined, had a pivotal role in setting up the greatest mystery of them all, the Church of Christ, and this is why Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, the masters of imitation and symbols chose the two, not one, as patrons when building their own temple to the natural son. Their presence indicates it is the Church that is represented by the vision (and why the instigator of their ultimate victory against the Church, the spiritually unprotected pastoral council called Vatican II,[1] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn1)had to be a Pope John, and a false prophet to boot, this could explain why any man elected pope would choose the name of an anti-pope of the past in Pope John XXIII? St John the Evangelist, who gave us the Apocalypse, is instructing us with his gesture, and the book in his hand is the source of this instruction.
    Next there is St Joseph, a ‘son of David’, as we know from the Gospels, making him a Melchisedech priest (even though St Joseph never used his priesthood), and whose status was completed by divine Providence at Vatican I making him Patron of the Universal Church. Again we see the vision represents the whole Church. He, like the Lamb on the altar is isolated, almost ‘out of the picture’ so to speak, and this was confirmed when that black line was later revealed, separating the vision into two frames. In other words, the Melchisedech priesthood of the Church is here ‘outside’, just as the vision itself was placed ‘outside’ the Church of St John the Baptist.
     Then we have Mary and the Lamb. Unusual, if not unique in an image of Mary and her Son is that in this case, like Joseph in the vision. who is separated by a dark line, the two are separated by St. John. Mary wears the rose and crown, symbols of those Principalities now lost. In other words she is now representing the lost Kingdoms, she being the unshakable Queen of the earth. Our Lady is looking to heaven, her hands raised as Advocate or Orante, that is, in the manner of a priest during the Canon of the Mass, pleading, as she does, to her Son to avert a great chastisement or calamity, like that to come, Vatican II and its aftermath. Separated from Mary and the priests of the vision is the Lamb, representing the Sacrifice, the Mass of all time.
     So, it can be seen that within this scene set up at Knock there are a few aspects that dominate any allegorical interpretation. (1) The Mass, or the Priesthood, is the dominant theme; both of these are isolated, set apart in a manner. (2) The Message is being delivered by St John the Evangelist, author of the Book of Revelation, the Book of Prophecy; the Book predicting a great apostasy incorporating the beast, the forces of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.[2] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn2)So, let us now cross over the battlefield and take a look at the forces that Mary and Christ were fighting.  
 
Snakes and ladders as they are really played.

PICTURE HERE OF THE MASONIC THREE HEADED SNAKE UNDER THE LADDER. THE LOWEST SNAKE HAS THE PAPAL CROWN ON ITS HEAD _ THE MIDDLE SNAKE HAS A KING'S CROWN ON ITS HEAD --  THE HIGHEST SNAKE HAS A SWORD HANGING FROM ITS MOUTH.

Now while the Church has never officially interpreted the apparition at Knock, the Freemasons, who know the state of the war of Genesis 3:15 far better than even the most learned Catholic, had their own image of things at that time.  As you can see in the masonic illustration above, which has as its background one of its symbols of equilibrium, a balanced ladder, two of the serpent’s heads are held high in victory, one with the sword and one with the kingly crowns, depicting their victory over the Christian kingdoms of the world for all to see. The third head however, with its papal tiara, is not yet held high, for it represents the priesthood (and the Mass), which, at the time, as Fr Cavanagh had demonstrated with his 100th Mass, had not yet been undermined and usurped. The battle of Principalities and Powers had been only half won, but the serpent was already wearing the tiara in expectation. 
     Knock, I believe (my grandfather and his family having been born Catholics in Connacht, making me a descendant Galatian with a right to read Knock’s allegory) (Moreover, I witnessed my sister in the 1950s being cured by a visit to Knock with my parents) is responding to the state of warfare of the time. It warns us of a pending chastisement, far worse than the Flood or anything of a mere temporal nature. St John was warning the faithful what was in store for Christianity and the world. The Melchisedech priesthood and the true Catholic sacrifice of the Mass were in danger of being isolated, removed from the faithful as a whole. Mary, wearing the crown that now depended on her and Portugal (the remnant), pleads with God to spare the world from the greatest of all disasters, the demise of the traditional Catholic Mass of all time.
      Freemasons knew that attack the priesthood and one attacks the true Sacrifice, the sacraments, and most of the temporal conduits of grace, the very means of sustenance necessary for Christ’s faithful to hold the faith in every way. An attack on the true Mass then is a way to destroy the priesthood. If heaven was trying to put us in touch with the signs of the times, this vision warned of the collapse of the second target of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, the battle of Powers, the priesthood of Melchisedech, and that this would be done by deceit, when the lamb that looks like the Lamb, will in fact be the dragon that is, the Novus Ordo, just as the Protestant ‘mass’ was used to eliminate the last vestige of Catholicity from the Reformers of the sixteenth century. This vision at Knock can be said to be a warning to all the nations of the world, ‘to undeceive those in their ungrounded hopes and expectations’, as the Motu Proprio of 1649 said, that what may be done in the name of God is not always as it seems.
     Could any words better describe the situation that emerged at Vatican II and which is now present among Catholics worldwide? Cromwell, it is said, destroyed more beautiful things than any man before him. Here again we can draw an analogy between him and Vatican II, for it surpassed even Cromwell by destroying far more beautiful things throughout all Christendom. Leaving aside the traditional Latin Mass, all the old devotions, the teachings, catechetics and prayers, the vestments, the priestly and nun’s habits and clerical cloths, we had in line with Cromwell a thing called ‘re-ordering’ whereby they destroyed great cathedrals and parish churches, abandoned millions of sacramentals and books, and have not ceased their destruction yet, still selling off countless redundant convents, religious houses, and Church property. Looking back on the vision today we can now get a better understanding of its warning, for it has come to pass, the destruction of the true priesthood en masse.
     


[1] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref1)Both Pope John XXIII and Pope Paul VI refused to give it their endorsement of papal infallibility.
[2] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref2)Five Papal Bulls have been directed against it by name, in 1738, 1751, 1821, 1826, 1864, and Pope Leo XIII would warn the Catholic world against it in Humanum Genus within five years (1884).
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: cassini on August 22, 2017, 12:07:46 PM
Post Knock

An allegorical interpretation of Knock can then be taken as a warning that the battle for the priesthood was imminent. Extrapolating backwards; signs of this final battle become manifest in the words of many men. In his book Pio Nono, (Pope Pius IX -1846-1878), E.E.Y Hales quotes the Freemason Mazzoni aspiring to ‘a new consecration of external right; a third world arising upon the ruins of two worlds extinct.’ By this he meant the arising of a nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr in the wake of the other two great Empires, the Roman Empire and the Holy Roman Empire. Speaking to the priest Lamennais, a would-be reformer whom Mazzini had hoped to recruit, he said: -         
 
‘The condemnation of the Papacy is decreed, not by us, but by God, by God who now calls upon the People to arise and found a new unity, embracing the two spheres of temporal and spiritual power…In our epoch humanity will forsake the Pope, and have recourse to a General Council of the Church – that is to say – of all believers – a council which will be alike Council of the Church and Constituent Assembly…’
 
A New Council orientated 

By 1889, the Freemason Canon Roca (1830-1893) was writing in his L’abbe Gabriel of a new council of the Church, the last one, which would modify not only the liturgy and the morale of the Church, but also the pontifical function.[1] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn1)Stanisias de Guaita suggested: ‘to use Christian theology with its esoteric splendour to transform and enrich church policy without anyone suspecting it.’[2] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn2)Roca responded: ‘My beloved brothers in Jesus Christ. I do not argue with any of your judgements. We are in agreement on all points of the secret doctrine (according to the writings of Papus), introducing our concepts into the teachings that Christ gave to the twelve and later to the seventy-two. We have no problems with the Protestant churches: our existing membership is the same as that between Free Masonry and the ѕуηαgσgυє; the only problem we have is the opposition of the Roman Catholic Church.’[3] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn3)Roca foretold liturgical anarchy under the pretext of restoring the original concepts:
 
‘I believe the divine rites and regulations of the liturgy, the ceremonies, the rituals and the precepts of the Roman Church can undergo immediate change through an Ecuмenical Council…a transformation, restoring the simplicity of the golden Apostolic Age, wherein we will adopt it to our state of conscience and modern worldliness…Make preparations for the sacrifice, a proper executed termination…the surrender of the papacy; to be lost under the sacred rules of the last Council. The Papal Caesar will be crowned a victim for the sacrificeThe theology of science, which the adult population is eagerly demanding, has replaced the mystical theology. They are hastening the destruction of the Summa Theologica and substituting the ‘Scientific Summa.’[4] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn4) [ the Galilean Reformation] A sublimely new Christianity, profoundly tolerant, truly universal, dogmatically defined in encyclopedial fashion… a universal order wherein all religions can identify God with humanity, which, before my very eyes transforms Christ into the entire Universe.’[5] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn5)
 
Pignatelli in his ‘Batailles Maconniques’ wrote: ‘Only in a theocratic society, having the universal character of free masonry, will it be possible someday to unite Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhist, Europe and Asia under the same ideals within a common faith.’ (p.29) [Remember Pope John Paul II surrounded by the Devil's religions at ASSISI]
     And the Grand Orient confirms: ‘Free masonry will become the superchurch: the church that will unite all religions… We aspire to have no intermediary between God and ourselves.’[6] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn6)
 
‘Roca combined the formative elements of this new Christianity: “You must have new dogmas; a new religion; a new ministry; and new rituals that very closely resemble those of the surrendered Church in the same way that the Catholic Church adopted from the Mosaic Church, its dead Mother…Using logic and knowledge, everyone will become enlightened and the faith will disappear… science will rule the world; because it will be accepted as the same God as humanity [7] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn7)…In this hour, each of us has a duty to encourage the evolution that will transform the papacy, enabling us to put on the armour of new worldly spirit and scientific rational. Roca proclaimed the “conversion” of the Pope to the new spirit of the world… after which he directed the Ecuмenical Council to restore the simplicity of the Golden Apostolic Age of the Church.’ [8] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn8)
 
We are reminded in these predictions of the teaching of Maximus when he initiated Julian the Apostate: ‘Dare if thou canst to unite the truth of the Titan and the truth of the Galilean, and you will be the greatest man born of woman.’ Vatican Council ll, in a sense, managed to achieve this with great mastery of ambiguity. Traditional and liberal stances were so welded together in equilibrium[9] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn9)that anyone whosoever could draw any conclusion from any docuмent that he or she wished. This masonic ‘salt’ was then presented to the bishops attending. Reading the docuмents the vast majority of the bishops interpreted them as consonant with their own beliefs and with rare exceptions, signed them accordingly. The freemasonic ’feathers’[10] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn10)in the Vatican could now operate at will once the bishops had gone home and any perversion could be implemented ‘in accordance with the wishes of the Fathers of Vatican II.’ This in the East is known as the art of Sanya Vasa, the mastery of ambiguity.



[1] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref1)Jean-Claude Lozac’hmeur, Bernaz De Kar, De La Ré-Volution, 1970, p.145.
[2] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref2)Footnote, Essaid de Sciences Mandities, 1, p.159
[3] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref3)As quoted by F. Marsoudon, Le Temple, Sept.-Oct. 1946, p.34.
[4] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref4)Having already introduced Heliocentricism and caused popes to reject the sacred doctrine of Geocentricism, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ had paved the way for the great victory of Evolutionism over Catholic doctrine.
[5] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref5)Le Temple.
[6] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref6)Bulletin of the Grand Orient no. 37, Politique et Maconnerié.
[7] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref7)Reason over faith: Heliocentricism over Geocentricism: Uniformitarianism over Catastrophism and Evolutionism over Creationism.
[8] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref8)Fr Sanez, quote from his booklet 4 select chapters from The New Montinian Church, pp.20-21.
[9] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref9)We have seen the freemasonic ladder of equilibrium. To conquer the world, the тαℓмυdic Illuminati placed all things into equilibrium. All the sciences, politics and even history itself was pounded into equilibrium . The Rosicrucians (rose & crown) had as their motto ‘WE shall be the equilibrium of the universe.’ Coincidentally, Lucia, when describing hell shown to her at Fatima, said ‘There is no equilibrium there.’ What a strange word for a peasant girl to say.
[10] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref10)‘When two things weigh equally, a feather will tilt the balance.’ - Shakespeare’s Measure for Measure. Act IV, sc. 2.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: cassini on August 22, 2017, 12:22:53 PM
POST KNOCK

By 1903 the chief of masonry in the Vatican, Cardinal Rompolla, Pope Leo XIII’s Secretary of State (who obviously was able to influence the Pope into two catastrophic errors, his disguised endorsement of heliocentricism in his Providentissimus deus on Scripture, and his encouragement to the French bishops to accept the new separation of Church and State in the democracy of France), was on the verge of being elected pope after the death of Leo Xlll. Sensationally, on the llth count, a veto came from the Cardinal Metropolitan of Cracow, speaking on behalf of His Imperial Majesty Franz Joseph of Austria/Hungary, who had a legal right to such a veto from an old treaty. It seems one Msgr Jouin, a French priest who specialised in rooting out Freemasons, found evidence Rampolla was Grand Master of a particularly occult sect known as the Ordo Templi Orientalis that was formed only a few years before the papal conclave. Martínez writes: ‘The OTO’s most notorious member was probably Alister Crowley, immortalized in the first successful novel by Sumerset Maugham, “The Magician”. Elected grand Master in 1912, Crawley proclaimed himself to be “under guidance of a Higher Intelligence” that was counselling him to “open doors on a New Era, that which was destined to supersede the Christian Era already in its death agony.’[1] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn1)Mario Rampolla del Tíndaro was able to prevent his secret from becoming public in Rome, so Fr Jouin had to seek help at the Austrian Court where he received a hearing. As it turned out they then elected an ex parish-priest as Pope, believing they could easily manipulate him in the same way as others. Fortunately the Catholic world got a saint instead, Pope St Pius X, and a true champion in his Cardinal Secretary of State, Msgr Rafael Merry Del Valle.
     In his first address as Pope he reiterated the prophecy that can be interpreted from Knock fourteen years earlier: ‘So extreme is the greater perversion that there is room to fear that we are experiencing the foretaste and beginnings of the evils which are to come at the end of time, and that the Son of Perdition of whom the Apostle speaks has already arrived on earth.’ In his last address he said: ‘The nations, deprived as they are of the light of revelation, are no longer subject to the restraint imposed by the law of Christ; the nations, driven as they are by blind passion, are heading for universal disaster.’ It was he who in his encyclicals warned the world what the Modernists[2] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn2)were and what they had in store for the Church. The Modernists did take over the Chair of Peter and thus seduced the vast bulk of the elect with them. Finally in his encyclical Pascendi he warned of the ‘universal apostasy’.
     Pope Pius X sought to restore all things in Christ. There was a time of peace. A stopgap maybe, but a reprieve no less, for, take it or leave it, whatever happens, God never leaves his flock ignorant. 
     1917 saw the Mother of God appear at Fatima, Portugal, the only kingdom left apt to receive an oral message for all the nations of the world. There, 70,000 people, believers, non-believers, atheists, agnostics, and even journalists from some of the world’s top newspapers witnessed a predicted miracle, one that was reported throughout the world. At Fatima Our Lady, after some frightening warnings that included the prediction of World War Two and its devastation, the rise of Russia as an atheistic and schismatic state, and the persecution and elimination of many Catholic nations, left a ‘secret’ to be read to the world in 1960. We know today that the Rome which the same Mother of God predicted at La Salette in 1846 would ‘become the seat of the Antichrist’, refused to give the details of the secret which Sr Lucia said can be read in St John’s Book of Revelation (the same message as Knock?). Pope John XXlll is reported to have said it was not for our time. Now to the psychologically entrenched the significance of the third secret is lost, for to them a pope’s word is enough to allay any thought that this would mean Our Lady of Fatima was not in touch with the ways of the world and accordingly her secret was always redundant. In other words, she, with her divine foreknowledge given to her by her Son, got it wrong, and Pope Roncalli had it right? In the meantime the faithful had been asked by Our Lady to do five first-Saturday devotions, because as Lucia said, of the five different kinds of offences and blasphemies against her Immaculate Heart. Among these were, (3) the refusal to accept her as the Mother of all mankind, and (4) any scandal which instils in the heart of her children, indifference, scorn and even hatred against her Immaculate Heart. In fact it is probable Our Lady knew Rome of 1960 would refuse to divulge her message. Accordingly, could any message be more relevant or shocking than one that a pope refused to divulge? In other words, the refusal is as clear a message as any that may have been read out, indicating a clear sign that Rome was already under the influence of that Antichrist whatever he or it might be. If the Mother of mankind asked that they be given a message from her for their salvation, and this request was refused, does this not fly in the face of that first-Saturday devotion mentioned above? Moreover, we now know a huge indifference in her message was the result of that same refusal. Such prayers and devotion that emerged from Fatima waned after 1960, and it is hard to find first-Saturday devotions at all today. 
      There were two allegorical messages at Fatima also. Our Lady said that without prayer and sacrifice ‘Russia would spread its errors’ and ‘Portugal would keep the faith’. Russia at the time (1917) was in the throes of the war instigated by тαℓмυdic Jєωery against the Catholic Czars. Astonished that the Tzar was holding on so well, Lenin and his Jєωιѕн troop were transported into Russia to begin the Bolshevik Revolution in 1918. Thus Russia fell under a тαℓмυdic dictatorship more atheistic (anti-Catholic), ruthless, brutal and murderous than anything ever before seen in history.[3] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn3)For example the Jєωιѕн Bolshevik purge under Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich that, between 1928-1932, carried out the liquidation through starvation of 10 million men, women and children, mostly Christian, during the Kulak extermination in the Ukraine.
     So, what was meant by ‘the errors of Russia’ if not atheism and schism – the тαℓмυdic destruction of Christendom and Christianity? And what of ‘Portugal will never lose the faith’? It could be a reference to the last of the papal kings, i.e., a remnant.
 
In 2000, it was decided to give the world the third secret of Fatima after all. But what emerged seems to be at best an edited version constructed so as to be interpreted in a way that suited the Modernists. Since the election of the actor Karol Wojtyla as pope, the papacy has been promoted as a cult, all emphasis on the charisma and pop-personality of its occupant. The demise of the Church in every sphere is totally ignored and all attention directed on the worldly appeal of Pope John Paul II and his successors. [World-tours then became the main function of the papacy, catering to the needs of the world while avoiding any hint of ‘no salvation outside the Church. A recent reported ‘Since January 1962, we’ve seen at least 148 papal trips costing millions upon millions.’] Thus the ‘third secret’ could be rendered down to a prophesy come true, that the Pope would undergo an assassination attempt, which he did, and that all is now well in the world thanks to the intervention of Our Lady who saved the Pope and the future of Catholicism with him no doubt. In other words the third secret was centred round John Paul II. Fatima was all about his welfare, his survival, ensured by Heaven itself. The fact that we could have had another pope within a month was not an option; it was John Paul II or nothing. How about that for a boost to his image?
     Thus was the true message of Fatima made redundant, and with tears of joy and relief in the eyes of the faithful at such a wonderful conclusion. All talk about conversion or hell has now been forgotten while Rome re-educates the flock further into accepting the тαℓмυd Jєωs as our ‘elder brothers’ of the Old Testament, while they spread their ‘Russian’ errors to ever corner and household in the world.
 
But back to 1903. What we must understand is that if Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ came within an inch of placing one of their own in the Chair of Peter one hundred years ago, they did not just disappear or become redundant in the meantime. No, one would have to be very naive to believe that, for it is their way to regroup and continue their efforts to destroy the Catholic faith from within. There is an old saying that no institution can be destroyed from without, without first being destroyed from within.

I HAVE MORE BUT ANY READING MUST BE TIRED AT THIS STAGE> I WILL CONTINUE IF ASKED.

[1] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref1)Martínez: The Undermining of the Catholic Church, Mexico, p33.
[2] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref2)The Modernists are the Judas(s) of today. While some are Freemasons and out to deliberately usurp the Catholic faith, others are guided into power by тαℓмυdic Modernism because they are true Modernists, driven in their belief that they can change the Church ‘for the better’.
[3] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref3)For example the Jєωιѕн Bolshevik purge under Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich that, between 1928-1932, carried out the liquidation through starvation of 10 million men, women and children, mostly Christian, during the Kulak extermination in the Ukraine. 
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: St Ignatius on August 22, 2017, 01:02:05 PM

I HAVE MORE BUT ANY READING MUST BE TIRED AT THIS STAGE> I WILL CONTINUE IF ASKED.
Absolutely fascinating!! Thank you cassini for this great piece thus far, continue by all means... if possible. 
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: cassini on August 22, 2017, 03:01:51 PM
POST KNOCK CONTINUED:

This overthrow of Catholic tradition had its roots among the Copernican modernists highly active during the previous century. We have evidence to show the seminaries were awash with theologians and theses hell bent on replacing the Person of Christ with Christ as principle inherent in each one of us regardless of religion or creed. The battle of Powers was truly coming to a head. Christ as High Priest was to be ousted by Christ as force system, a force for the тαℓмυdic trinomial, Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity whereby ‘love your neighbour’ was reconstructed to eliminate all ideas of spiritual salvation for him, only his worldly comfort and needs. Such a Christology would revolutionise catechetics, theology, liturgy, the Sacrifice and even history itself. So clever and brilliant would this false Christology be that it would appeal to the intellectually proud, and would be so cloaked in the name of Christ as to fool undiscerning Catholics. The scope for popularity based on this new Christianity would soon sweep the world, or so they knew, leaving behind all thought of that ‘hard and cruel’ Catholicism of the past. The 33-degree Freemason Vyes Marasaudon  said: -

‘If there are still some remnants of thought, reminiscent of the inquisition, they will be drowned in a rising flood of ecuмenism and liberalism. One of the most tangible consequences will be the lowering of spiritual barriers that divide the world.’[1] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn1)

Such a Christology emerged with the likes of Teilhard de Chardin and Karl Rahner, and aware observers note that Vatican II is best recognised in the context of them and their theology. Ecuмenism and liberalism has all but swamped tradition out of Rome. Considering themselves as ‘the living tradition’, which they should be, they claim these same errors as legitimate, showing they have no idea what tradition is. At a general assembly of the Grand Order of France in Paris on the 3-7 September 1962, French Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ adopted Teilhard as one of their own. Grand Master Jacques Mitterand then made overt reference to the 18th rule of the Cabbala, the 10th century top secret mystical docuмent of the forerunner of the Freemasons, which states: -

‘Do not dish up to the Christian dogs their deadly strychnine pill plain, but wrap it up in a large slice of soft flesh.’[2] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn2)

There is evidence to suggest all subsequent popes to Pius X were coached by masonic influences. Giachomo Della Chiesa was a Capranica graduate chosen by the Freemason Rampolla as his private secretary at the Nunciature in Madrid. In the 1890s the Instituto Capranica was known throughout Europe to be a modernist stronghold, and continued in the same vein throughout the twentieth century. At the same time Rampolla brought in another of his protégés to become his chief assistant, Cardinal Pietro Gasparri. Archbishop Chiesa became Pope Benedict XV in 1914, and Gasparri replaced Merry del Valle as Secretary of State. Rampolla, it seems, finally got Peter’s chair, not personally, but by proxy. Pope Pius X, who did mount a campaign routing out the modernists, was hardly cold in his coffin when Gasparri was accusing him of encouraging espionage against his fellow priests. Pope Benedict XV, in his first encyclical[3] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn3)said accusations against views previously considered modernist were to cease.
    Pope Benedict XV died at a relatively young 68 in 1922. Cardinal Gasparri declined to ‘run’ for pope, preferring instead to remain Secretary of State where he could use his enormous power to direct Church policy and perhaps even the next pope. His choice was the little known and unlikely Archbishop of Milan, Achille Ratti. Duly elected, he chose the name Pope Pius XI. This indicated an affection for Pope Sarto. Indeed many say some of his encyclicals read like Pius X’s. But he was, Martínez says rightly, ‘the first Pope to actuate what we now call ecuмenism…The Malines Conversations of 1924 and 1925 that drew sharp protests from the Catholic hierarchy of England who cited the decree of Leo XIII pronouncing Anglican orders to be “absolutely null and void.”’ Then the Freemasons put into action their plan to get Pius XI to do their work for them. Conspiring with Cardinal Andrieu, who was caught smuggling diamonds and blackmailed for it, they had him openly condemn the anti-modernist writings of that great Catholic Charles Maurras as political and a danger to France. Martínez writes: ‘Unable to believe the Andrieu accusations Pope Pius X1 ordered Gasparri to provide him with the Maurras newspaper for daily reading. What he was provided with, however, was daily listening to reading… After three months of listening to Fr Confalonieri’s version of Maurras’ articles read out to him at breakfast, Pius XI had had enough. On Dec. 20 1926, he issued a solemn decree ordering Catholics to abandon L’Action Francaise under pain of excommunication.’[4] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn4)What in effect had been stifled was the last attempt to retain the Kingship of Christ as an influence in French affairs. The freemasonic separation of Church and State was now complete, and the Pope had been duped into making any further attempts to interfere an excommunicable act. Maurras was arrested and spent the last years of his life in solitary confinement in prison where he died a martyr for his cause.  
    Martínez then records a similar situation in Mexico where cινιℓ ωαr broke out among Catholics and a Church hating government. Pope Pius XI wrote that they were martyrs. But the real power lay with Rampolla’s protégé Secretary of State Cardinal Gasparri. He schemed away with some bishops who had closed the Catholic Churches and fled the country leaving their flock without Mass or sacrament. In effect they robbed the Catholic army of their victory, conspired with the government, and abandoned the Church Militant making surrender the only option for them. The churches were then reopened to the execution-fire of the betrayed leaders of the anti-atheistic rebellion. Oh the shame of it all, and how the Freemasons have gotten away with it as far as the modern Catholic is concerned. Such then is the greatest mystery of them all, the unexplainable fortunes of the Catholic Church and its influence in the hands of fallen men; i.e., the mystery of iniquity.
    The next pope was Eugenio Pacelli, Pope Pius XII. His family had connections with the Vatican since his granduncle Ernesto, a member of the тαℓмυdic freemasonic Rothschild banking firm organised a loan to the Papal States under Pope Gregory XVI in the early 1840’s.[5] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn5)His grandfather Marcantonio became legal adviser to Gregory and Pius IX, going into exile with the latter. Later he returned to Rome to help found the Vatican newspaper L’Osservatore Romano. Eugenio, as a high-school graduate, was put into the special care of the Freemason Cardinal Rampolla. He too was sent to the modernist seminary the Instituto Capranica, to which he remained faithful, even returning there in 1957 when Pope. In 1930 he received his cardinal’s hat and was given the position of Secretary of State. In 1939 he became Pope Pius XII.
    The new philosophies were given a boost when in his first encyclical Summi pontificatus the new Pope insisted that the basis for government should be human solidarity. Long gone now were the days when the basis for government was from above with Christ as King. Human solidarity is of course a formula very dear to Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ once it is framed to their way of thinking. As long as Rome pointed in the right direction they would see to the means. In the 1940s Teilhard de Chardin was telling all and sundry how to be good Christians his way. Things that separated Protestants from Catholics such as their rejection of the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist became less important than whether they showed affection for one another. Soon after Pacelli was elected Pope he persuaded his Jesuit friends, who had forbade Teilhard de Chardin to publish and lecture, to lift the ban so that a series of Teilhard lectures could take place in German-occupied Paris during the latter years of the war. It was at this point Teilhard told a friend ‘I have so many friends in good, strategic positions that I am absolutely without fear for the future.’    
    Considered by many Catholics as the last ‘traditional’ pope, Pius XII’s aberrations are all the worse. When airing their disbelief at the ideas of Vatican II and the abolition of the traditional Latin Mass around which the Catholic faith is forever bound, they are possibly unaware that Pope Pius XII is cited more often in its docuмents of change than any other pope representing that 1958 years of tradition. Suffice to say that his record on the important matter of faith and science will bear out the reason why. It was this pope who, while admittedly contributed a dogma and a wonderful collection of Catholic teaching for the flock, as is expected of any pope, alas, opened up the floodgates to a modernist interpretation of scripture when in his encyclical Divino Afflante Spiritu he gave precedence to modern ‘scientific’ methods as a means of eliminating erroneous interpretations of past exegetes. Thus Wikipedia can say:

‘To Pius XII (1939-195), science (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science) and religion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion) were heavenly sisters, different manifestations of divine exactness that could not possibly contradict each other over the long term. Regarding their relation, his adviser Professor Robert Leiber wrote: “Pius XII was very careful not to close any doors prematurely. He was energetic on this point and regretted that in the case of Galileo.” Anticipating similar praises from Pope John Paul II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_Paul_II) in 1992, Pius XII, in his first speech to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences (1939), included Galileo among the “most audacious heroes of research… not afraid of the stumbling blocks and the risks on the way, nor fearful of the funereal monuments.”’ (Wikipedia)

He also indulged in many lectures, allocations and radio messages that could be said to fall half way between teaching and personal opinions. Some of these on the subject of ‘science’ we can see were a disaster for scriptural exegesis and the doctrine on creation, which of course infects the crucial doctrine of original sin and the Redemption. On November 22nd 1951, Pope Pius XII again addressed the Pontifical Academy of Sciences. The title of the Pope’s address was ‘The Proofs for the Existence of God in the Light of Modern Natural Science.’ What followed was an endorsement of nearly every evolutionary theory on offer at the time, theories that (1) conflicted with the literal order of creation and the geocentric order of the universe held by the all the Church Fathers, (2) Suggested theories that denied the biblical age of 6-7,000 years for the universe; theories that denied the global flood as recorded in Genesis and its effect on the topography as we find it today, and God knows what else. Here is one passage of his speech:

‘44. It is undeniable that when a mind enlightened and enriched with modern scientific knowledge weighs this problem calmly, it feels drawn to break through the circle of completely independent or autochthonous matter, whether uncreated or self-created, and to ascend to a creating Spirit. With the same clear and critical look with which it examines and passes judgment on facts, it perceives and recognizes the work of creative omnipotence, whose power, set in motion by the mighty “Fiat” [Big Bang] pronounced billions of years ago by the Creating Spirit, spread out over the universe, calling into existence with a gesture of generous love matter bursting with energy. In fact, it would seem that present-day science, with one sweeping step back across millions of centuries, has succeeded in bearing witness to that primordial “Fiat lux” uttered at the moment when, along with matter, there burst forth from nothing a sea of light and radiation, while the particles of chemical elements split and formed into millions of galaxies.’

But there are philosophical and theological consequences to placing the creative act of God at the mercy of science’s Big Bang theory.

‘Let us suppose, for the sake of argument, that we can refer “not improperly” to the initial singularity [the Big Bang] as an act of creation. What conclusions can we draw from it? That a Creator exists? Suppose still, for the sake of argument, that this, too, is conceded. The problem now is twofold. Is this creator theologically relevant? Can this creator serve the purpose of faith?
    My answer to the first question is decidedly negative. A creator proved by [Big Bang] cosmology is a cosmological agent that has none of the properties a believer attributes to God. Even supposing one can consistently say the cosmological creator is beyond space and time, this creature cannot be understood as a person or as the Word made flesh or as the Son of God come down to the world in order to save mankind. Pascal rightly referred to this latter Creator as the “God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, not of philosophers and scientists. To believe that [Big Bang] cosmology proves the existence of a creator and then to attribute to this creator the properties of the Creation as a person is to make an illegitimate inference, to commit a category fallacy. My answer to the second question is also negative. Suppose we can grant what my answer to the first question intends to deny. That is, suppose we can understand the God of [Big Bang] cosmologists as the God of theologians and believers. Such a God cannot (and should not) serve the purpose of faith, because, being a God proved by [Big Bang] cosmology he should be at the mercy of [Big Bang] cosmology. Like any other scientific discipline that, to use Pope John Paul II’s words, proceeds with “methodological seriously” [Big Bang] cosmology is always revisable. It might then happen that a creator proved on the basis of a theory will be refuted when that theory is refuted. Can the God of believers be exposed to the risk of such an inconsistent enterprise as science?’[6] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn6)

Moreover his ‘brash meddling with the liturgy of the Church’ as one commentator put it, ‘his atrocious ecclesiastical government, and his unbelievably scandalous private and domestic activities[7] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn7), are so clearly docuмented that we should be prepared to defend the proposition that Pope Pius XII was the worst pope in the entire history of the Church.’[8] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn8)



[1] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref1)Yves Marsaudon, L’oecuмenisme vu par un Franc Macon de Tradition, Paris, 1964, p.26.
[2] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref2)As quoted by D. Manifold, Fatima.
[3] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref3)Ad beatissimi, Nov. 1, 1914.
[4] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref4)Martínez, op. cit., pp.48-50.
[5] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref5)And it was this involvement that ended the Church’s outright condemnation of Usury . When did we last hear such a condemnation? The Scriptures are explicit in saying the lending money for interest is an abomination.  
[6] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref6)Marcello Pera: The god of theologians and the god of astronomers, as found in The Cambridge Companion to Galileo, Cambridge University Press, 1998, pp.378, 379.
[7] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref7)It is said, and reported on as recently as 1/3/01 in the Catholic Herald, that Pius XII was given the ‘monkey gland’ treatment when gravely ill and made a ‘miraculous’ recovery, living on for a few more years.
[8] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref8)From a 2-page docuмent in my possession issued by the Briton’s Library. These Britons are however Sedevacantists and do not include any of the conciliar popes as eligible for ‘worst pope in history’ category. Had they considered the Conciliar popes valid, Pius XII would have been regulated as the fifth worst.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: cassini on August 22, 2017, 03:29:34 PM
VATICAN II
 
Then there was ‘good Pope John XXIII’. His background programming can be gleaned from the fact that he, like Eugenio Pacelli, was a devotee of the theories of anthroposophist Rudolf Steiner, another freemason attached to the Ordo Templi Orientalis. Exiled by Pius XI as Nuncio to Istanbul, Mary Ball Martínez, who was a professional journalist at the Vatican for many years, tells us what the dogs in the streets have been saying since Vatican II: ‘According to the Milanese journalist, Pier Carpi, who claims to have absolute proof for the fact, he was initiated into Masonry, attaining, like Pius IX, the 18th or Rosicrucian Decree. Unlike Pio Nono, however, Roncalli apparently never repented.’[1] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn1)There are many other sources from which we can glean some idea of the тαℓмυdic Communist/freemasonic domination throughout the Church in the world at the time of his election available today.[2] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn2)Martínez and others tell us that witnesses can attest to their seeing Cardinal Roncalli in the mid-1940s leaving his residence in Paris in civilian cloths to attend the Thursday evening meeting of the Grand Orient of France. When he was posted in France his association with Freemasons, such as his appointment of the Master Mason Baron Yves Marsaudon as head of the French branch of the Knights of Malta, caused a major scandal for the Pacelli papacy. How then, you may well ask, but are not supposed to, could Pius XII elevate such a man to the College of Cardinals, making him eligible to be elected a pope? The hard fact is that he did, he was, and on that occasion he even insisted on receiving the red hat from a notoriously anti-clerical Vincent Auriol, president of the masonic ‘Fourth Republic’ of France, kneeling before him as he was made cardinal. As to his rise in the hierarchy, well, L’Osservatore Romano, in an editorial as he became Pope said: ‘It was Benedict XV who, as he had done with Achille Ratti and Eugenio Pacelli, put the foot of Angelo Roncalli, whom we now know as John XXIII, on the first rung of the ladder that led to the Chair of Peter.’
     Like that ladder descending into Modernism, the popes get progressively worse, and we are not finished yet. Roncalli, they keep on saying, was a stepping-stone[3] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn3)until the right man was ready for the job, Giovanni Battisti Montini.  Like the Pacellis, the Montinis were also a ‘Vatican family’. His father, Giorgio Montini was a journalist and politician, ‘thick’ as they say, with Cardinal Rampolla. With such connections his son was guaranteed a fine career in the Vatican of the 20th century. 
     At his coronation as Pope Paul VI, several American newspapers printed pictures of him with members of the тαℓмυdic Jєωιѕн freemasonic lodge B’nai B’rith, accusing him of even being a member. In his 1964 book Ecuмenism As Seen by A French Freemason, Yves Marsaudon, a prominent Freemason himself, stated: ‘The sense of universalism that is rampant in Rome these days is very close to our purpose for existence.’ One could record dozens more scandals but to what end? The man has met his Maker and He is the only Judge. We however are left with his legacy, having to watch as Pope John Paul II made John XXIII ‘blessed’ on the way to becoming a saint in heaven while the last vestige of the Catholic faith disappears from sight.
     Vatican II did not just happen, an ‘inspiration’ out of the sky, as Pope John XXIII would have us believe. The Masons knew since the ‘Anti-Council’ of 1869 that only a new council based on their principles would secure the way to a final victory. Begun on the same day as the first Vatican Council, Dec. 8th, 1869, Masons such as Victor Hugo and Guiseppi Garibaldi met for the purpose of planning a future war against the Church and to get it to adopt ‘the sacred principle of liberty of conscience’. This we know was achieved at Vatican II, a council Pope Pius XII wanted, but one the freemasonic curia deemed too early. As it turned out neither Pope John XXIII nor Pope Paul VI would (could) give their infallible prerogative to this council, an incredible thing for a Church ‘Council’, you must agree. The Masons, more than Catholics themselves, know that God protects His Church, so they knew any pope or council bent on usurping the Church’s teaching would have to act outside God’s guaranteed protection. This protection does not extend to the election of popes however, for here again while God’s Providence prevails God does not interfere with men’s free will.
     It was Pope Paul VI himself, ‘the perfect imperfection’, who discarded the Mass of all time, the Mass that generated untold saints for heaven; fed the graces from God to billions, and taught generations how to know and love the teachings of the Catholic Church. In his Apostolic Constitution – Missale Romanum of Pope Paul VI, 1969, the Freemason Roca’s game plan for the liturgy became a reality. Rocca, having suggested a new liturgy could be accomplished by appealing to a restoration of ‘the simplicity of the golden Apostolic Age’, we find Paul VI saying: -
    
‘After the Council of Trent, the study “of ancient manuscripts of the Vatican Library and of others gathered elsewhere,” as our predecessor St Pius V indicates in the Apostolic Constitution Quo primum, has greatly helped for the revision of the Roman Missal. Since then, however, more ancient liturgical sources have been discovered and published and at the same time liturgical formulas of the Oriental Church have become better known.’
 
Quo primum of course, explicitly forbid anyone, ‘now and forever’, from interfering in the traditional Latin Catholic Mass. It read ‘and let Masses not be sung or read according to any other formula than that of the Missal published by us’ which ‘has been handed down by the Holy Roman Church, the Mother and Teacher…’ Given that Pope Pius V surely knew that future popes would follow him, we can ask was he in error to give catholicism such a decree; was he naïve to believe his instruction was immutable, or did he assume that as Peter, no other Peter would disobey the authority they swore to uphold? In other words, what credibility can there be in an authority that is dismissed by that same authority later? When Paul VI, with crocodile-tears running down his face as he signed the decree that opened the way to that new Protestant approved form of liturgy so understood by the Freemasons of the past as the means to cause wholesale apostasy, there was the ultimate victory for the Antichrist, for Christ’s own words of Consecration were changed to reflect the very essence of freemasonic belief, that is, whereas Christ said explicitly on that occasion, ‘for many’, Paul VI’s Novus Ordo has Him saying ‘for all’.
     It was this Pope Montini who asked: ‘Who is Jesus? Who was Jesus?… a mysterious prophet?…a problem for exegetes?…Will faith finally succeed in giving a definite reply to that question which cannot be shrugged off?’[4] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn4)who instigated the final uncrowning of Christ as King. Under his orders there began a process that, by the end of the century, would leave the papacy impotent in the face of anarchy among bishops, priests, religious and the laity. Traditionally the popes took part in a papal coronation with the following words: -  
 
       ‘Receive the tiara adorned with three crowns, and know thou art the father of princes and kings, to direct them on earth, the Vicar of Our Saviour, Jesus Christ, to Whom be honour and glory for ever and ever.’
 
Under the pretext of such a coronation not giving an example of humility and poverty, a case where the lesser good is being replaced by a greater virtue, Pope Paul VI permanently disposed of the tiara in open ceremony. This pretext however is outrageous. Consider if you will the many popes who wore the crown of Christ in absolute humility and unworldliness. Images of the popes wearing such a crown reach back to the very early Church. Montini’s true intention became manifest when he squandered millions of dollars in America, creating a new ‘papal circus’, where trips abroad were/are organised to include huge charismatic occasions of papolatry.
(http://file:///C:/Users/JAMESR~1/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image002.jpg)
The snakes and ladder as they are in this year 2000
 
Where all this was leading to became even clearer when Paul VI attended a session of the masonic United Nations Assembly in New York on Oct 4, 1965. He began his address with ‘Behold the day that we have awaited for centuries.’ He ended it by telling the Assembly they were ‘the last hope for mankind.’ He then gave his papal fisherman’s ring to U Thant, and put on the Ephod of the Jєωιѕн high priesthood (pictures of which I have before me), a symbol once adorned with the world’s most precious stones, and which high-ranking members of American Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ wear today. No doubt the satanic worldwide promoters of contraception and abortion within this organisation had a victory party that night. Needless to say, to the generations of Catholic now blinded and without any love of truth anymore, all this was taken aboard as something good, something Christian. Then, as with the Copernican heresy, the usual legions of well indoctrinated Gnostic apologists set about to ensure the flock would accept it as such, coming as it did from the ‘Holy Father’ and that Council ‘guided by the spirit’. Oh for Clonmacnoise again and their Motu Proprio, warning Catholics not to be deceived by those supposedly acting in the name of God.
     At the death of Paul VI the electors of the new pope were all Roncalli and Montini men, chosen carefully so that the revolution would not die. Of the 127 cardinals, Pius XII elected 19, 8 were John XXIII’s choice, and III were those chosen by Paul VI. Montini however virtually eliminated any possible traditional influence in the conclave after his death by barring cardinals over 80 from voting, ostracising 16 of the most senior cardinals. Thus one could only guarantee three ‘traditional’ electors left to vote for a new pope, Cardinals Wyszynski, Leger, and Siri.
     Cardinal Albino Luciani was elected the new pope in 1978, taking on a double barrel name for the first time in history, John Paul 1, absolutely in line with the new order. On August 28, the new pope announced his contribution to the revolution. There would be no sedia gestatoria, the chair used to carry the pope, no tiara of course, no coronation ceremony and no papal oath swearing to uphold the three-fold papal office to teach, rule and sanctify.
     According to David Yallop[5] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn5)there appeared at that time in Rome an unusual news agency called L’Osservatore Politico (OP). It was run by the journalist Mino Pecorelli, a disenchanted member of the P2 group of Freemasons who was ‘outing’ other Masons in some sort of inner struggle. The OP invariably carried scandalous stories that subsequently turned out to be highly accurate. Pope John Paul I is said to have received a list of 121 alleged masonic members of what the OP called ‘The Great Vatican Lodge’ which included mostly cardinals, bishops and high-ranking prelates. Among them was Cardinal Villot, masonic name Jeanni, lodge number 041/3, enrolled in a Zurich lodge on August 6, 1966, in the most powerful position in Rome, the coveted office as Secretary of State. Faced with such a scenario, Albino Luciani seems to have wished and prayed for a premature death. He spoke of ‘the Foreigner’ who would succeed him. 33 days later Pope John Paul I was dead and a foreigner succeeded him.



[1] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref1)Martínez, Op. cit., p.117. See also 30 Days magazine, Nov. 2, 1994 edition entitled ‘A John XXIII Update.’
[2] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref2)Such as Rev Fr Henri Mouraux’s, The Hidden, but Victorious Way of Free-Masonry, and Murphy and R. Rene Arlington’s, La Popessa, Paul VI, 1983.
[3] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref3)The idea of a Pope being elected as a ‘stepping-stone’ has always occurred to us to be incomprehensible.
[4] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref4)Reported in The Wanderer, 25 Feb. 1975.
[5] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref5)David Yallop, In God’s Name, Jonathan Cape, London 1984.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: cassini on August 22, 2017, 03:46:58 PM
POST KNOCK FINAL

When Cardinal Wojtyla appeared on the balcony as the new pope his past suddenly became all the more significant. He was a Pole from the land of that hero Cardinal Wyszynski who made such a stand against Communism, the manifestation of Satan himself. The record showed Wojtyla differed to Wyszynski in that he favoured ‘dialogue’ with the devil’s regime. With the Modernists coming into absolute power at Vatican II, Cardinal Wyszynski became an embarrassment to them. Most full-witted Catholics at the time of Vatican II awaited that outright condemnation of Communism. They waited in vain, for in among the delegates was the phenomenologist[1] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn1)Archbishop Wojtyla pleading that no such condemnation be issued.
     Once elected, Karol Wojtyla, the first non-Italian pope in hundreds of years, ‘ a foreigner’, gave notice that it was business as usual, talking the double name of those he considered the best popes in history, Pope John Paul II. Regarding Paul VI’s abdication of the crown of the Pope, he said: -
 
‘One may also recall that my venerable predecessor, Paul VI, in giving up his tiara, made a gesture that has not stopped bearing fruit for the Church.’[2] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn2)     
 
Before any fruits could be counted however, the matter of that special position of the Catholic Church enshrined into the constitutions of those last remaining Catholic countries had to be resolved. Orders went out from the Vatican to every such nation that the Pope now wanted a separation of Church and State. You see the council’s Decree on Religious Liberty and its Decree on Ecuмenism precluded such a situation in the new era of тαℓмυdic ‘liberty’.
     So it was, on Feb. 21, 1984, Cardinal Casaroli signed a new concordat with President Craxi making Italy an atheist State. In my own country of the Republic of Ireland, the home of Knock, a nation that was nominally 98% Catholic at the time of Vatican II, the elimination of the Catholic status of the State could only be accomplished by referendum. Nevertheless, under orders of Vatican II, the flock was deceived into an act of obedience that in effect booted out Christ as King of the Irish nation. The only fruits we now know were Satan’s, for today, 30 years after Rome separated Church and State and Pope John Paul II visited, Ireland now boasting of its ‘post-Christian’ future, has washed its hands of a scandal drenched Catholic Church, and like the other abdicators has abandoned tradition in like manner.                
     In October 1986, Pope John Paul II invited leaders and representatives of the world’s religions to ‘pray with him’ at Assisi in Italy. There he placed himself, as Vicar of Christ, on a level par with all gathered. With Pope Leo XIII’s words on Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and its methods uppermost in their minds, many Catholics finally got the message that this Conciliar Church was ‘about the ruin of the Catholic religion’.     
     Rome today we know fosters this great тαℓмυdic freemasonic political equilibrium of democracy as though it was the system intended by God.
 
‘Not only does the spirit of democracy derive from inspiration of the Gospel, but it cannot survive without it.’[3] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn3)
 
Meanwhile in every such democracy created, and especially in those abandoned by the Church, faith in Christ and social morality has plummeted.
     The freemasonic elimination of the priesthood progressed at a pace after Vatican II.  Christ told us ‘by their fruits you will know them.’ Today we know the priesthood is in crisis. The Melchisedech role has been totally usurped. The story goes of a priest in ‘mufty’[4] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn4)after delivering ‘meals-on-wheels’ to a sick man, meeting a female ‘minister of the Eucharist’ on her way in with a pocketful of consecrated hosts.
     With a 90% decline in vocations in Europe, America and Australia since 1965, and dropping still further as I write, without divine intervention the future looks bleak for the world. The number of priests still Catholic in thought, word and deed is diminishing. More and more the call is for the laity to take over the priest’s role. At times this call is accompanied with the assertion that the ‘Holy Spirit’ is leading us into a new lay Church. How compatible all this is to the masonic plan of ‘no intermediary between God and ourselves.’
     With the Mass in ruin, the priesthood falls too. The abolition of the traditional Catholic Latin Mass, now replaced with a liturgy reminiscent of Cranmer’s Protestant service, and the Roman Missal discarded for a four-page parish newsletter, the very core nourishment for the priesthood and the flock has been removed. The Mass is now seen as a community banquet, so much so as to eliminate its sacrificial function and to obscure the Real Presence in the Eucharist. Indeed it is calculated over half the world’s priests today, about 200,000, do not believe in the Real-Presence at all.
     Thus we see the aims of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ for the Lamb of Knock are well in motion. Certainly Rome mimics the Lamb by issuing utterances now and again knowing them to be traditional and orthodox, enough to keep the Catholic publications full of pious hope for the Conciliar Church, and enough to keep the pew-sitters psychologically entrenched in their camp rejecting always the word of those who in true Christian charity and hope try to stem the tide of Modernism. Think for example of the encyclical Humanae vitae. Pope John XXIII convoked a commission regarding artificial contraception, a matter well and truly already settled and condemned by the Church. What purpose then a commission? He already knew most ‘Catholics’ had by then rejected the Church’s teaching, so the whole exercise would generate huge interest. We see now it was to be a stalking-horse, for when Pope Paul VI reiterated the already condemned proposition, half-awake Catholics, who were beginning to smell a rat after Vatican II, suddenly relaxed once again, confident that only a true-blue traditionalist pope would dare to insist on the no-contraceptive doctrine. This brilliant ploy then enabled him to abolish the eternal Sacrifice and replace it with a Protestant rite without causing open rebellion among the world’s Catholics.  Pope Pius X in his Encyclical Pascendi Dominici gregis, September 8, 1907 said of the modernists: -
 
To understand them, to read them, one would be tempted to believe that they fall into contradiction with themselves…far from that; all is weighed, all is willed. One page of their work might have been written by a Catholic; turn the page, you think that you are reading a rationalist. (D.2086)
 
Thus the art of satanic deceit, for pin them down on their modernist days and you will be quoted them on their Catholic days, supposedly traditional and orthodox.
     If we move on we find in answer to a letter sent to Cardinal Ratzinger about a dissident French bishop, Msgr Perl declared:
 
‘Yes you are right. The situation in the Church is anarchy. If you expect an order from Rome regarding the above will solve the situation, you are in total illusion.’[5] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftn5)
 
Years of infiltration by тαℓмυdic, masonic, communist and modernist religious have brought the Church to its present state of chaos and anarchy. Statistics show that in many countries, at the present state of decline, the Catholic faith will become extinct within the next 25 years. The Catholic Church has lost half a million priests, monks, brothers and nuns in the immediate aftermath of Vatican II, a mere 35 years. Church attendance is down to single figure percentages in some countries, with Holland for example at 3%. Two or three generations of Catholics have now been totally deprived of a proper catechises, the old catechisms having been replaced with a superficial spirituality which fades into nothing in a short time. Conned out of a proper understanding of the Catholic faith, tradition handed down over the centuries from generation to generation must inevitably come to an end to be replaced by a time of near total ignorance, confusion and apostasy.  But even a blind man must see that Rome cares not one jot and continues on with more of the same, portraying everything as the beneficial ‘fruits of Vatican II’. There is however, in spite of Pope Paul VI’s infamous comment that ‘the smoke of Satan has entered the Church,’ and the fact that he did nothing about it except impose more of the same onto that Church, a huge propaganda industry employed in hailing the Council and the conciliar popes as ‘great’, and trying to portray an illusion that the world is on the brink of a new ‘Christian’ era. Moreover, they seem to believe it, from the Pope himself down to the remaining pew-sitters.
     Most Catholic newspapers are privately owned commercial enterprises, and depend on Catholic churches to stock and sell their product. Thus money and not orthodoxy dictates their content. For years now we have seen how they present Catholicism and how they can censor and depress any criticism of the new order. This way they control the thinking of millions while at the same time generate millions of dollars for themselves and their pet causes. In the real world however, the hard fact is that no one cares anymore what Rome says. The Church is now redundant as an influence in faith and morals among the peoples of the old Catholic Kingdoms. Nevertheless, good men, with their false belief that freemasonic Rome and the modernist bishops must be defended no matter what the signs are, actually participate in this demise, and may as well themselves tear the bricks from that temple of the Spiritual Son.
 
‘Hear what the unjust judge says; and will not God avenge His elect, who cry to Him day and night? I tell you that He will avenge them quickly. Yet when the Son of Man comes, will He find, do you think, faith on earth?’ --- Luke 18:8.
 
 This however is not to say the Church has defected. Its tenets still hold firm and its truths can still be found. Christ, we know, conserves with divine power the society founded by Him. It is, alas, like Him, being crucified by those incuмbents in most places of authority and power right now, but we hope, like Him, it will rise again to complete His work of redemption.
     We see then тαℓмυdic Jєωιѕн Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is the temporal vehicle that has emerged to fight the battle of Principalities and Powers. Alas, it is a long time since Catholics paid heed to the words of Pope Leo XIII when he said of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, ‘Let no pretended probity deceive one.’
    
On January 3rd, 1997, the following report appeared in the Catholic Herald:
 
‘The Grand Orient of Italy decided to award the Pontiff Pope John Paul II with the Order of Galileo Galilei, the highest form of recognition able to be made by Italy’s Freemasons to a non-member, in recognition for his promotion of universal Masonic values of fraternity, respect for the dignity of man, and the spirit of tolerance… Our intention is to pay homage to a man who, unlike his predecessors, showed himself to be extremely open-minded, rehabilitating Galileo, promoting a critical analysis of the Inquisition.’
 
The thing is then, or rather should be, that when a ‘Catholic’ newspaper can tell us that a pope, any pope, is about the same work as Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ (and Galileo, but that is another story), only a fool would not raise an eyebrow. I mean Karol Wojtyla, has after all, a great influence on the faith and beliefs of over one billion professed Catholics on earth today. There is no doubt it is John Paul II’s pursuit of freemasonic principles of ‘Liberty, Equality and Fraternity’ in the conciliar agenda of religious freedom, collegiality and false ecuмenism, which pleases them well. Add to this his constant apologies for the Church militant, those Catholics who fought the good fight against anti-Church influences of the past, and who are an integral part of the Mystical Body of Christ Himself, and we can really see what is behind this award. 
 
That then is what Knock was all about. St John predicting it, and the Virgin Mary on our behalf praying to avert it. Alas, as with most prophesy, the truth of it cannot be fully interpreted as it is prophesise, during the time of its enactment, but only in hindsight. Accordingly Knock became a Marion shrine, generating grace in abundance, but masking the danger of the message behind it. Ironically, Knock too has had to endure its share of Modernism, but who knows; I have a feeling it has still a role to play in the future. What or how, we cannot say now.
God help us all.

This study was finished in 200 I think and put away lest it gave scandal. May God forgive me if it does. Given however that we have entered into a time when a pope like Pope Francis is in the Chair putting all previous popes that could be called modernist to shame, I thought it was time to let others read the history that prevailed from the apparition of Knock to the present day. And remember, it was the Virgin Mary herself who said 'Rome would become the seat of the anti-Christ in 1846, 11 years after Pope Gregory XVI conceded to Galileo's reformation and ignored the geocentric interpretation of Scripture, a denial decreed in 1616 as formal heresy, and allowed heliocentrism to be considered a truth of science, inferring of course it could be a truth of Scripture. 

[1] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref1)A phenomenologist is a mode of philosophy that sees relationships as the worth of a person or thing. There is no Thomist reality in their way of thinking for everything is subjective.
[2] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref2)Discourse of Feb. 3, 1980.
[3] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref3)Jacques Maritain , as quoted in the Irish Catholic, Sept. 24th, 1998.
[4] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref4)Casual civilian cloths, giving no outward sign of their priesthood.
[5] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/Old%20Knock%20essay.doc#_ftnref5)As recorded in The Angelus, March 1999.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Incredulous on August 23, 2017, 08:39:42 AM
La Salette and Knock
As interpreted by a friend (of Cassini's) with some additions.

Heaven’s awareness of the freemasonic revolution against Christ was made known first to a French nun Sister Marie de St Pierre (1816-184) and then by her request at La Salette in France on Sept. 19, 1846, where a crowned Mother of God appeared to two children. Among the most poignant messages was that: ‘Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the Antichrist.’ Three popes, Pius IX, Leo XIII and Pius X, approved this apparition, but the message was met with furious opposition from many bishops. It seems the Masons and some Masonic-controlled clergy already ensconced in the Church, must not have wanted any such revelations to be taken seriously.
    Thirty-three years after the apparition, on 20th August 1879, a basilica at La Salette was consecrated, and the following day, August 21st, the Archbishop of Paris in France (representing the Melchisedech Priesthood and Melchisedech Kingship) crowned the statue of the Virgin of La Salette according to the prescription of the sacred Congregation of Rites. Heaven’s awareness, it seems, was given new impetus.
    On the same day as this coronation, 21st August 1879, as only heaven can co-ordinate, there occurred an active but silent apparition at Knock, a small town of Connaught in the west of Ireland (as in ‘To Hell or to Connaught’ – Oliver Cromwell).  On a miserable wet night, outside the gable-end of the church of St John the Baptist, ‘dedicated to all the nations of the world’, there appeared a sight that included Saint John the Evangelist (Powers-Priesthood-Tiara), The Virgin Mary, St Joseph (Powers-Priesthood-Tiara), and the Lamb on an altar (Holy Sacrifice of the Mass) surrounded by angels, all bathed in a wondrous light. The figures, which stood a few feet off the ground, showed St Joseph - his head bowed, glancing sideways, isolated and separated by a mysterious black line noticed by at least one witness, and Mary, wearing a crown as in La Salette (Principalities-Thrones) but separated from the lamb on the altar by St John in full Mass vestments, with a book (the same book represented on the Masonic ‘Point Within a Circle’?) in one hand while gesturing in a preaching stance with the other.  


(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oZgU9N7l2xY/TbbR5LogABI/AAAAAAAACBo/F6UvKf2HGpM/s1600/KnockGr.jpg)

(http://www.catholiccompany.com/getfed/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/1185802_10151673321013387_1003540663_n.jpg)

The apparition at Knock cannot be interpreted by theological norms. Its purpose is allegorical, coming as it did in the wake of the attack on the principalities of Christendom, and the Papal States - by then replaced by Masonic republics, democracies etc - all now under the sole protection of Mary in heaven; and on the same day both Powers crowned the statue of Our Lady of Salette, and involving as it did so prominently both St Johns, it is clearly Melchisedech and Johannine. The message of Knock therefore, is for Freemasons, showing them that heaven is aware of the state of the world and the state of the Melchisedech war.

to be continued next post
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: MyrnaM on August 23, 2017, 09:12:27 AM
Thank you Incredulous for the pictures you added.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: LaramieHirsch on August 23, 2017, 11:23:15 AM
I just wanna add something to this thread...about the Nibiru thing...



Did you notice what WASN'T in the skies during totality?  Nibiru.  Notice what isn't on YouTube footage of Nibiru cultists?  Anything out of the ordinary for an eclipse.  

You might have people trying to post stuff on YouTube saying that they've got Nibiru on film or some such thing. It's nonsense.  You clearly can discern that they are lens flares.  

I think we can stick a fork in the Nibiru idea.  I've no idea what Project Leak will do (or whatever they're called).  
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: MyrnaM on August 23, 2017, 11:50:58 AM
I stuck a fork in Nirubu a long time ago.  But I do believe there will be a chastisement sooner or later.  I did read a few days ago there was a very large something coming our way on Sept. 1.  I refuse to hold my breath.  Seems there is always something coming our way.  

Here is one of the more recent links there are several.

http://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/asteroid-1981-et3-3122-florence-pass-earth-2017-binoculars  
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: cassini on August 23, 2017, 12:34:32 PM

Yes, Apocalypse 12 will come to pass this year. Yes it is the 100th anniversary of Fatima. But a very wise friend once told me never to make predictions about chastisements or punishments for any such occasion. The problem is if nothing happens it brings these occurrences into some disrepute. The only prediction one can guarantee will happen is if Our Lady says it will happen. She forecast the very day and sign (a light in the sky that would reach down to Moscow) World war II would begin.

That said, we can pray Our Lord will put a stop to this world-wide insult. Over the weekend a gambling company posted pictures of Our Lady holding a football cup at Knock. Then we had our elected ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ head of government visited Canada where he and the Canadian prime-minister headed a sodomite parade. His timing to visit Canada was planned so, and he even announced to the Canadian press that he is going to have a referendum next spring to bring about unborn baby killing in Ireland. If ever we need a chastisement it is now.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: LaramieHirsch on August 23, 2017, 12:54:33 PM
But I do believe there will be a chastisement sooner or later.
 If ever we need a chastisement it is now.

Uh, guys...is it out of the question to state that the Chastisement is already happening?  I mean, worldwide madness...it has NOT always been like this, contrary to what some "rose-tinted glasses" Pollyanna types say.
I'd say we're already experiencing punishment.  With more to come.  
Remember, this Revelations prophecy isn't just God coming out of the clouds to kill a third of the people.  1/3rd of the people also get killed in revolutions and wars.  After all is said and done, 2/3rds of us are dead.  A lot of good people are gonna die.  Often killed by their own countrymen.    
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: MyrnaM on August 23, 2017, 01:29:00 PM
  A lot of good people are gonna die.  Often killed by their own countrymen.    
Yes, it is like weeding your garden, you pull the weeds but sometimes the good plants come up with the weeds. 
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Pax Vobis on August 23, 2017, 01:40:37 PM
Quote
Did you notice what WASN'T in the skies during totality?  Nibiru.
For the record, no one on this board ever said that Nirubu/Planet X was going to be seen during the eclipse.  However, we know that Apocalypse ch 12 says that the sign of Our Lady will be seen in the sky (on Sept 23), therefore we know that (at some point) there will be a sign of the dragon also in the sky.  If verses 1&2 refer to a literal constellation sign, then so do verses 3&4.

Further, there are many prophecies which talk of a destructive 'comet' which causes earthquakes, floods, tsunamis, and the 3 days of darkness.  There could be a gap of many years between verses 1&2 ('the woman') and verses 3&4 ('red dragon'), or it could be a gap of a few months.  But it is undeniable that both signs will be able to be seen (maybe not like the eclipse, with the naked eye) but through a telescope, in constellation form.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: LaramieHirsch on August 23, 2017, 02:04:35 PM
For the record, no one on this board ever said that Nirubu/Planet X was going to be seen during the eclipse.  However, we know that Apocalypse ch 12 says that the sign of Our Lady will be seen in the sky (on Sept 23), therefore we know that (at some point) there will be a sign of the dragon also in the sky.  If verses 1&2 refer to a literal constellation sign, then so do verses 3&4.

Further, there are many prophecies which talk of a destructive 'comet' which causes earthquakes, floods, tsunamis, and the 3 days of darkness.  There could be a gap of many years between verses 1&2 ('the woman') and verses 3&4 ('red dragon'), or it could be a gap of a few months.  But it is undeniable that both signs will be able to be seen (maybe not like the eclipse, with the naked eye) but through a telescope, in constellation form.
Provided that, of course, the premise that this conjunction phenomenon on Sept 23rd is really that Woman of Revelations spoken of in Scripture.  
It's quite possible that this 2-year old theory is bunk, and along the same lines as the Nibiru hype.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Pax Vobis on August 23, 2017, 02:40:33 PM
There are plenty of astronomers, many of whom are protestants and have no idea this is related to Our Lady, who have confirmed that this 'sign of the woman' is unique in the history of recorded astrological events.  Planet X may not have any connection to the 'red dragon' but I do believe, without a doubt, that the 'red dragon' will be seen in some capacity.

It's just hard to 'write off' the Planet X theory, because it's red, has a tail, and there are historical records from ancient civilizations (who studied these things like we study cellphone technology) which talk about the same kind of planetary being.  The reason this is not reported is political, I believe, and also because it's not as easily seen by the public in the sky or a computer program, like a constellation can be.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: cassini on August 24, 2017, 04:44:43 AM

http://www.thescottsmithblog.com/2017/08/12-things-you-need-to-know-about.html?m=1 (http://www.thescottsmithblog.com/2017/08/12-things-you-need-to-know-about.html?m=1)
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Incredulous on August 24, 2017, 10:09:23 AM
(https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/scoobydoo/images/6/68/Planet_X.png/revision/latest?cb=20130510190803)

Nibiru now  :ready-to-eat:  Nibiru now  :ready-to-eat:
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: sean1846 on August 25, 2017, 04:38:09 AM
I believe it is safe to say that September 23rd will be the fulfillment of Apocalypse 12:1, it is word for word the fulfillment. I don't think it's just an accident that it occurs one hundred years after Fatima.

I do think that the red dragon may have a literal fulfilment too. It could be a case of only understanding the prophecy after it has been fulfilled. I believe we are deep into the end times and this is one of the last signs God will give us, I would agree with any poster on hear that believes we have lived through the great apostasy and that the second coming is approaching. I believe this sign to be a major signal of the second coming of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Amakusa on August 25, 2017, 08:30:43 AM
The Catholics have not understood the meaning of this sign, and that is a tragedy...

The most ancien Fathers taught that the woman, in chapter 12, symbolized the Church. Of course she is Our Lady in a spiritual sense, but she is the Church in an eschatological sense; and Father Gallois theorized that the male son was the Pope in an eschatological sense, at the same time as Our Lord in a spiritual sense. Fathers Berry and Kramer adopted this idea, and they said that it should be a given pope, not only the Pope in an abstract sense.

In chapter 12, all angels are gathered in heaven; and since angels allude to bishops and heaven alludes to the Church in the Apocalypse, it means that this chapter describes an oecuмenical council, during which all bishops of the earth are gathered. There is a fight between the wicked shepherds and the good ones. When the wicked are defeated, Satan is rejected from heaven and "cast out upon the earth": it is a metaphor of the excommunication of the modernist clergy. And this excommunication is depicted in the following words: "he has been cast out, the accuser of our brethren". This phrase alludes to the Book of Zachary, when Joshua the high priest came back from the Babylonian Captivity and restored the Jєωιѕн theocracy. It thus means that a legitimate pope will come back from the captivity of the new Babylon (the false Church) to excommunicate the modernist clergy. But who is this Pope? Chapter 12 of the Apocalypse gives us the answer: he is the "male son" (the Pope) elected during the oecuмenical council, which means that this Pope can only be Paul VI. And the latter truly went through the captivity of the new Babylon, because he remained imprisoned in the Vatican from 1972 until 1981. In some way we are also spiritual captives of the counterfeit Church, because she exerts her wicked influence over the world.

Chapter 12 predicts the triumph of the Martyr Pope, because verse 5 tells us that the male son is given back to God's throne; and in chapter 4, God's throne symbolizes the headquarters of the theocracy, the papacy. Therefore, the Martyr Pope will be given back to the headquarters of the Church, just as Our Lord was given back to His Father.

The refuge of the woman means the exile of the Pope; and the 42 months are to be heard in years, just like the weeks of Daniel. Now, between the date when Paul VI was replaced with a double and the date when he will reappear, there will be 42 years (1975-2017). The alternative replacement of Paul VI with a double occured in 1972, and the definitive replacement in 1975. There are 1260 years between the donation of the Papal States and the false canonization of Wojtyla, and there are 42 years between the alternative replacement of Paul VI with a double and this false canonization. In the Apocalypse, this gruesome ceremony marks the imminence of God's chastisement, and the end of the Papal States until the end of the world.

More information here: https://paulvisurvivalsecretfatima.wordpress.com/
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Pax Vobis on August 25, 2017, 09:48:00 AM
Yes, the Apocalypse has many meanings.  Chapter 12 speaks of the woman 'about to give birth' which many Church Fathers say that this means the Church is about to elect a new pope.  I could very easily see Pope Francis and Benedict dying at anytime, which, hopefully, would give rise to a good pope, who would "clean house".

I heard this prophecy a few years ago and I think we will see its fulfillment soon:

"When the White Pope and the Black Pope shall die during the same night then there will dawn for the Christian nations the Great White Day. Woe unto the City of Philosophers, woe unto Lombardy for thy towers of joy shall be broken down; All the tyrants shall be put out of God's Church, and there shall occur a general conversion to the faith of Christ under the Great Lion."

White pope = Benedict.  He's still called the pope and still wears white.
Black pope = Francis, because the leader of the jesuits has always had the nickname of 'black pope' and Francis is the ONLY jesuit pope ever.
City of Philosophers = the ancient greek city of Campania, which is now Naples, Italy in the south of the country.
Lombardy = the northern part of Italy, with the capital of Milan.
Great Lion = the coming great, holy and Catholic monarch who will eventually be Holy Roman Emperor.

When's the next time there will even be 2 popes alive at the same time??
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: MyrnaM on August 25, 2017, 10:19:11 AM
That depends!  
In the conclusion of a sedevacantist there isn't even one pope alive, unless of course Amakusa is correct then there is Paul VI still alive.  

Which I know that God can keep him alive, look how long the two witnesses are still alive.  Enoch and Elijah, prophets who did not die.

I would like to ask Amakusa;  if Paul VI is so special of a pope, why didn't he consecrated Russia as Our Lady requested ( to her Immaculate Heart )?  This should have been his first act after his election and before he was kidnapped.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: cassini on August 25, 2017, 11:51:17 AM
That depends!  
In the conclusion of a sedevacantist there isn't even one pope alive, unless of course Amakusa is correct then there is Paul VI still alive.  

Which I know that God can keep him alive, look how long the two witnesses are still alive. Enoch and Elijah, prophets who did not die.

I would like to ask Amakusa;  if Paul VI is so special of a pope, why didn't he consecrated Russia as Our Lady requested ( to her Immaculate Heart )?  This should have been his first act after his election and before he was kidnapped.

Why is it that if it all depends on Pope Paul V (or Pope Benedict XVI) doing an Enoch and Elijah I cannot see anything improving. Didn't both do all the harm at Vatican II? Wasn't it Pope Paul VI who brought in the vernacular NO Mass and endless other Vatican II reforms? Who wants him back?

Oh yes, that was the twin, the REAL PAUL VI was kidnapped just after being elected and placed in hiding. Born in 1897 he would be 120 years old now, probably the oldest man in the world today. If the salvation of the Catholic Church depends on all this nonsense it brings Catholicism into disrepute.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: MyrnaM on August 25, 2017, 12:45:13 PM
Why is it that if it all depends on Pope Paul V (or Pope Benedict XVI) doing an Enoch and Elijah I cannot see anything improving. Didn't both do all the harm at Vatican II? Wasn't it Pope Paul VI who brought in the vernacular NO Mass and endless other Vatican II reforms? Who wants him back?

Oh yes, that was the twin, the REAL PAUL VI was kidnapped just after being elected and placed in hiding. Born in 1897 he would be 120 years old now, probably the oldest man in the world today. If the salvation of the Catholic Church depends on all this nonsense it brings Catholicism into disrepute.
I would still like to hear from Amakusa about my question I asked for some strange reason the font came out so tiny, perhaps he didn't see it.  No idea why the font appeared that small.  

I would like to ask Amakusa;  if Paul VI is so special of a pope, why didn't he consecrated Russia as Our Lady requested ( to her Immaculate Heart )?  This should have been his first act after his election and before he was kidnapped.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Pax Vobis on August 25, 2017, 12:45:53 PM
I think there's far more evidence that Cardinal Siri was elected in 1958, and forced to resign, which would mean he was pope-elect until 1989 when he died, and all the others (John XXIII, Paul VI, JP, JPII) were not validly elected.  That would mean Benedict could have been valid.  This would mean the above prophecy could still be true.

The first i've heard of the twin Paul VI was 2 months ago.  I just don't buy it.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Amakusa on August 25, 2017, 01:02:32 PM
Cardinal Siri has never been validly elected. If he had, God's providence would never have allowed that John XXIII and Paul VI be accepted by the whole Church. The defenders of the Siri thesis do not know the divine Constitution of the Church. It is absolutely impossible.

MyrnaM, Paul VI performed this consecration, but in an incorrect way, just like his predecessors.

As for the vernacular mass and Vatican II, I have alread answered in other topics.

Pope Paul VI is 120 years old because the Apocalypse makes a parallel between he and Moses, who died at 120 years. Moses was the chief of the Hebrew during the Exodus, and Paul VI is our chief during the new Exodus, while we are living in the spiritual desert of the counterfeit Church.

I know a priest, one hour from my house, who saw Pope Paul VI alive in Fatima and even spoke with him, in 2007: therefore Paul VI was already 110 years old at that time. There are several cases of people reaching this age. Paul VI will judge humanity as the doyen of the world, it has a strong symbolical aspect.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Incredulous on August 25, 2017, 05:10:31 PM

Is it just me, or does it seem we're entering the Twilight Zone on this topic ?

(http://img02.deviantart.net/fd19/i/2011/237/f/e/twilight_zone_by_ruyepije-d47tkq6.jpg)
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: sean1846 on August 25, 2017, 07:15:07 PM
I won't entertain the idea that Paul VI is still alive. You have no evidence for that, also he was a heretical antipope to begin with. Apocalypse 12:1 is going to be fulfilled in September, what comes after, we do not know. We are in the end times though, I think anyone calming to be a traditional Catholic can grasp that.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Merry on August 25, 2017, 07:49:32 PM
This is from Broken Cross by Piers Compton.  He mentioned the "two Pope Paul's" in the following chapter.

Good book, by the way.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/brokencross/brokencross11.htm 


 Comparison of photographs: Pope Paul VI vs. the impostor

(http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/brokencross/images/image16.jpg)
Left, above - Pope Paul VI: Long nose, reaching to the end of the ear lobe.
 Right, above - the impostor pope: Nose much shorter in comparison to ear.
 
(http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/brokencross/images/image17.jpg)
Note the prominent birthmark between the eye and ear of the true Pope (on the left, 1973 photo) and conspicuously absent on the impostor (right, 1977 photo). Notice the visible difference in the nose. Pope Paul has a longer, straighter, more pointed nose. The impostor has a shorter and rounder nose.
(http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/brokencross/images/image18.jpg)
Left - Pope Paul VI: Notice complete difference of ear structure with that of the impostor. Due to the tiny bone structure the ear is the hardest thing to change in plastic surgery—this becomes obvious in the two pictures.
 Right - the impostor pope: Notice not only the difference of the ear, but also the shorter nose.
 (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/brokencross/images/image19.jpg)
 Left - Pope Paul VI: Long straight nose—almost to the end of ear lobe. Ear is full and round.
 Right - the impostor pope: Nose is shorter and rounder—reaching only 3/4 length of ear. Ear is longer and not as wide.

(Note: Some have conjectured that this "actor of great talent" was the stage actor Parr.)
  
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Post by: Pax Vobis on August 25, 2017, 08:20:04 PM
I'm willing to entertain the idea that Paul VI was replaced and/or had a double.  I belive Sr Lucy had one too.  Even Putin and Hillary have body doubles.  What I can't believe is that Paul VI is still alive at 120 years old...
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Post by: Incredulous on August 25, 2017, 10:50:21 PM

According to the Canonical rubrics of 1958, Cardinal Siri was elected Pope by the Conclave.

(http://www.crisinellachiesa.it/articoli/autorita/insegnamento_gpii/giuseppe_siri.jpg)
He accepted the Papacy and took a name, Gregory the XVII and the White Smoke flowed.

These two conditions of acceptance and taking a name made him the Pope.

Even though he was later intimidated and backed down... he was the Pope and from then forward, the Conclave was invalidated, because of the physical intimidation of the Pope.

John XXIII was a Freemason, Paul VI was a Marrano, JPII's mother was a Jєωess and so on.  

We lived through a progression of Destroyer popes and that's why the Church is crumbling all around us.




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Post by: LaramieHirsch on August 25, 2017, 11:12:17 PM
 :facepalm:
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Post by: Amakusa on August 26, 2017, 12:50:44 AM

sean1846: firstly it is wrong to claim that I have no evidence of Paul VI's survival, since I have written several books to mention the various pieces of evidence; secondly a pope peacefully accepted by the whole Church cannot be a heretic.

Incredulous, I have already explained you why, according to the Church doctrine, Cardinal Siri cannot have been ever elected.
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Post by: Incredulous on August 27, 2017, 04:40:50 PM

             
         Folks, this is an example of international ʝʊdɛօ-masonic show-biz at its finest!

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-a9Xeio_Uwz4/WK2pKFUTG8I/AAAAAAAAERo/iS83rAfPlFgdfNgnlezWc2Kb58ApW-hDACEw/s1600/5.%2BF%25C3%25A1tima%252C%2BComo%2Bse%2Bimp%25C3%25B4s%2B%25C3%25A0%2BIgreja%2BPT.jpg)
               Like the Ringling Bros Barnum & Bailey's circus with the two great imposters!

Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: cassini on August 28, 2017, 01:14:15 PM
Further to La Salette and Knock:

Very few are aware of the prophesy of la Salette and the allegorical message of Knock, both predicting the crisis and decline of Catholicism in the world.

As if to demonstrate the prophesies two incidents happened over the week end;

https://www.knockshrine.ie/novena-news/

See 26 minutes into video.
Marty Morrissey [ a very prominent GAA football commentator] made his debut public appearance at the National Novena in Knock on Wednesday 16th August as part of the Novena 40 year celebrations at Knock Shrine. The Chief Celebrant at the Mass was Fr Conal Eustace, PP of Castlebar joined by Fr Richard Gibbons, PP,  and Rector of Knock Shrine and Fr Nigel Woollen, Curate at Knock. The beautiful music was performed by Úna Nolan, Director of Music at Knock Shrine accompanied by Claire Lavin.
The theme for the 40-year Novena celebrations was ‘Living Life to the Full’.
Marty Morrissey [who was invited to give the homily. He wore an open shirt. He talked about his teeth and tan as his own natural body] was officially welcomed and introduced by Fr Richard Gibbons.
Marty opened by confessing at his being “stunned” after being asked to speak at the Novena. He was quick to highlight that he was just an “ordinary joe soap”, just trying to do his best to live life to the full.
There were many moments of good humour, particularly when Marty encouraged each person present to say “I love you” to their neighbour. Amongst all of the laughter, there was also genuine, thought-provoking and inspiring moments of sadness, humour, joy and pride. Firstly, Marty talked about his personal life, the importance of friendship in our overall happiness, family life and appreciating every

Many complaints came through the radio. None of them knew that is how the NO church interpret Knock today.

The second incident was an image of Our Lady holding the GAA football cup above her head was projected on the basilica at Knock itself by PADDY POWER betting Group.

https://www.thesun.ie/news/1415438/paddy-power-make-holy-show-by-projecting-70ft-image-of-virgin-mary-holding-the-sam-maguire-in-knock-for-latest-publicity-prank/


Blasphemy.
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Post by: Neil Obstat on August 28, 2017, 01:59:55 PM
I've have some concluding thoughts about all of these astronomical spectacles we've been treated to this year.  

This newest article (http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.com/2017/08/throwing-cold-water-on-astronomical.html) I wrote tonight is, apparently, a part of a growing series now titled: The 2017 Signs and Wonders Series.


Throwing Cold Water On Astronomical "Signs" (http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.com/2017/08/throwing-cold-water-on-astronomical.html)

http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.com/2017/08/throwing-cold-water-on-astronomical.html (http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.com/2017/08/throwing-cold-water-on-astronomical.html)

You guys did this to me.  Pax Vobis, I blame you.  

Furthermore, I've decided to drive up to Columbia, Missouri (provided traffic doesn't stop me) to see this total solar eclipse.  When I'm up there watching this thing, I will turn my eyes to the southeast to see the constellation of Virgo at 1pm in the afternoon, and I will look with my naked eyes to see this supposed and rumored "red dragon" at the legs of Virgo.  We shall see.  And I shall report.
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So ............. did you go?
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Any report coming??
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Post by: Neil Obstat on August 28, 2017, 02:16:44 PM
Is it just me, or does it seem we're entering the Twilight Zone on this topic ?

(http://img02.deviantart.net/fd19/i/2011/237/f/e/twilight_zone_by_ruyepije-d47tkq6.jpg)
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The witnesses present at the Miracle of the Sun at Fatima, 1917, had never seen the Twilight Zone. 
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Rod Serling would not write the first one yet for several decades.
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But what they witnessed could have been made into an episode. 
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(https://s15-us2.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https%3A%2F%2Fthenightgallery.files.wordpress.com%2F2015%2F03%2Frod-serling-a-piano-in-the-house.jpg&sp=2e0a19b20e9b04627571c8d86e125458)
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Post by: cassini on August 30, 2017, 05:57:22 AM

In the latest edition of CATHOLIC VOICE, an Irish publication that is right up to date on the crisis in the Church, they have an article on THE TWELVE STARS OF MARY.

'Catholic tradition teaches us that the woman is both representative of the Church and Mary, the mother of Christ.'
'But why a "crown of twelve stars?" --Twelve tribes, twelve apostles. Heaven has "twelve gates and in the gates twelve angles, and names written.. which are the twelve tribes" The wall of the city has twelve foundations, and in them twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb."

'Throughout scripture and Church tradition, we also have many comparisons of our Lady and the great celestial bodies. "Morning star," "Star of the sea," "Rejoice, o star that that goes before the sun." St Thomas Aquinas writes: " as sailors are guided by a star to their heaven, so are Christians guided to Heaven by Mary." ...

'Looking at more recent times, the image engraved on the "miraculous Medal" featured the twelve stars.

'To understand the "crown of twelve stars" more then, we look to Holy Scripture which proclaims the crown as the glorious reward given justly for one's service in the Kingdom of God. St James: "for when he hath been proved, he shall receive the crown of life which God hath promised to them that love Him.'

There is more but I certainly got the message. The fact that the sun, moon and stars at the constellation of the 'woman' shall all come together as described in Apoc 12 on the 100th anniversary of Fatima, when Our Lady appeared "brighter than the sun" to the three children, followed by the miracle of the sun which followed, is a 'SIGN' that Mary and the Church are still watching over the world and that faithful Catholics can know heaven is still very much aware of what is going on in the world and wants to comfort them. Some of us wish for a happening like another Deluge, but heaven chose to give us a sign in the sky, just as Genesis said it would: 

‘And God said: Let there be lights made in the firmament of heaven, to divide the day and the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years. (Genesis !:14)
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Post by: Amakusa on August 30, 2017, 11:27:37 AM

Did it ever happen before? Can you find a universal sign given to humanity in the Holy Scripture?
I have wondered about that...
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Post by: LaramieHirsch on August 30, 2017, 12:00:34 PM
Did it ever happen before? Can you find a universal sign given to humanity in the Holy Scripture?
I have wondered about that...
The Bethlehem star comes to mind.  Also, the eclipse that convinced Nineveh to convert.  
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Post by: Pax Vobis on August 30, 2017, 02:02:03 PM
The eclipse, earthquakes and dead rising, after Our Lord's crucifixion.
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Post by: LaramieHirsch on August 30, 2017, 03:15:25 PM
The eclipse, earthquakes and dead rising, after Our Lord's crucifixion.
Now now. I've looked into this.  Folks are uncertain it was an eclipse.  It would have lasted from 12 noon until 3pm.  That's a bit long.  All Scriptures say is that the sky darkened.  
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Post by: Incredulous on August 30, 2017, 04:25:21 PM
The Bethlehem star comes to mind.  Also, the eclipse that convinced Nineveh to convert.  

How about the Babylonian Star of Rempham, warned of in the Book of Amos and by St. Steven?
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c305/benodette/Q3%202008/Q%202%202009/Oct11CanonisationReuters4.jpg)
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Post by: Pax Vobis on August 30, 2017, 04:43:13 PM
Quote from: Pax Vobis on Today at 03:02:03 PM (https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/apocalypse-ch-12-sign-of-the-woman-and-planet-x-nirubu-the-red-dragon/msg562985/#msg562985)
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The eclipse, earthquakes and dead rising, after Our Lord's crucifixion.


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Laramie said
Now now. I've looked into this.  Folks are uncertain it was an eclipse.  It would have lasted from 12 noon until 3pm.  That's a bit long.  All Scriptures say is that the sky darkened.
 
There was a lunar eclipse on the day Our Lord died, according to historians.  It's also been established that many historians around the world wrote about a VERY long eclipse, with earthquakes on Good Friday.  Some say, due the length of the eclipse being 3 hrs long, it could not have been caused by the moon (since lunar eclipse's only last 2 min max).  Therefore, we can conclude the eclipse was caused by something much, much bigger than the moon.  What was it?  Have no idea.   
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Post by: LaramieHirsch on August 30, 2017, 10:18:56 PM
Quote from: Pax Vobis on Today at 03:02:03 PM (https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/apocalypse-ch-12-sign-of-the-woman-and-planet-x-nirubu-the-red-dragon/msg562985/#msg562985)
 
There was a lunar eclipse on the day Our Lord died, according to historians...  
Are you talking about a lunar eclipse, or a solar eclipse?  Big difference.
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Post by: Pax Vobis on August 30, 2017, 10:37:23 PM
Sorry, i meant solar.  But the point is that a lunar or solar eclipse could never account for 3 hrs of darkness.  Something else must have caused the eclipse.  Something BIGGER.
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Post by: LaramieHirsch on August 31, 2017, 01:46:30 AM
Sorry, i meant solar.  But the point is that a lunar or solar eclipse could never account for 3 hrs of darkness.  Something else must have caused the eclipse.  Something BIGGER.



Please don't tell me you're implying that Nibiru made the sun eclipse when Jesus died.  
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Post by: Pax Vobis on August 31, 2017, 06:48:29 AM
Maybe, maybe not.  The point is that there is historical evidence on Good Friday, and at other times in ancient history (as recorded by the Egyptians and assyrians) for large, unusual planetary objects to enter our solar system and cause disorder.  

Ive read there is evidence for planetary causes to explain Moses' 10 plagues, and the parting of the Red Sea with the increased daylight.  Who knows when God used other objects to interfere in human events?  The angels control the heavens.  It makes perfect sense that God could use them, just as he used rats to spread the Black Plague in the Middle Ages.   

But if you're relying on our honest, unbiased, not-controlled media, or the integrity-filled, agenda-less, god-loving govts around the world to disclose the TRUTH to we the people, then you'll be waiting til hell freezes over.
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Post by: MyrnaM on August 31, 2017, 12:10:49 PM
God is the Creator of All, and just as the Miracle of the sun happened at Fatima 100 years ago, dancing, spinning and changing colors God can and will do as He pleases with His creations.  

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Post by: Peter15and1 on August 31, 2017, 12:55:00 PM
Sorry, i meant solar.  But the point is that a lunar or solar eclipse could never account for 3 hrs of darkness.  Something else must have caused the eclipse.  Something BIGGER.
Such an object wouldn't necessarily have to be bigger for an eclipse to last longer.  It could, for example, be exactly the same size as the moon and just be moving slower.
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Post by: Cera on August 31, 2017, 01:27:01 PM
You guys convinced me.  

I had to start looking up whatever I could to find all the stuff I could say about this month's eclipse.  And then write about it.  

The Great American Eclipse (http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.com/2017/08/the-great-american-eclipse.html)
Thank you Laramie, I especially liked this
I cannot help but recall another passage, this time, from Sister Lucy, another of the three Fatima seers:
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‘I felt my spirit flooded by a light-filled mystery which is God and in Him I saw and heard: the point of the flame-like lance which detaches, touches the axis of the earth and it [the earth] shakes: mountains, cities, towns and villages with their inhabitants are buried. The sea, rivers and clouds leave their bounds, they overflow, flood and drag with them into a whirlpool, houses and people in a number unable to be counted; it is the purification of the world from the sin it is immersed in. Hatred, ambition, cause destructive wars.


Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: sean1846 on September 05, 2017, 12:10:00 PM
Does anyone have an opinion on what the "Red Dragon" might be? 
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Post by: Pax Vobis on September 05, 2017, 05:35:36 PM
Yes, the opinion is that the red dragon = Planet X.  But, as the 'woman' means both Our Lady and the church, so the red dragon could also mean the spirit of Satan and his minions here on earth.  The Apocalypse is very multi-layered. 
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Post by: sean1846 on September 06, 2017, 10:24:27 AM
I'm on the fence about "Planet X", I have not seen evidence for it, with that said, I wouldn't fully rule it out. I firmly believe that there will be earth shaking events before the end of the world final takes place. 
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Post by: LaramieHirsch on September 06, 2017, 10:43:06 AM
Looked up at the sun today with my eclipse glasses.  Saw two sunspots.  Nifty.  

No sign of planet X/Nibiru in Tulsa skies.  No sign at all.  
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Post by: sean1846 on September 06, 2017, 11:34:43 AM
It'll be interesting when 12:1 is fulfilled. The red dragon should manifest soon. I do think there is a connection between 12:1 and Fatima. The red dragon could very well have been the communist soviet union. At the height of it's power, it held one third of the world's population. 
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Post by: LaramieHirsch on September 06, 2017, 11:37:02 AM
So...what're you people going to do when September and October comes and goes, and nothing supernatural occurs?

An inquiring mind wants to know.
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Post by: Student of Qi on September 06, 2017, 11:58:21 AM
So...what're you people going to do when September and October comes and goes, and nothing supernatural occurs?

An inquiring mind wants to know.
Suppose there is only an increase of natural catastrophes? Nothing Supernatural has to happen, necessarily. In anycase, whether or not something big happens I will continue to pray for everyone, fight my most prominent fault, and trust in God's Mercy and Mother Mary's advocacy.

Personally, I am among those who think the worst is to come in 2029, since Sr. Lucy didn't receive the formal request for Russia's consecration until 1929. And this, all on the presumption we really have 100 years...
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Post by: LaramieHirsch on September 06, 2017, 12:08:07 PM
Who knows.  

As a man with children, I certainly wouldn't mind if the world isn't demolished, and America is allowed to limp on.  I'd like to see the last two Avengers movies, too.

Yet, on the other hand...people sure are collectively asking for it.  

I take it all with a grain of salt.  Most people seem incapable of doing that, though.  
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Post by: Tradplorable on September 06, 2017, 04:08:14 PM
Sorry, i meant solar.  But the point is that a lunar or solar eclipse could never account for 3 hrs of darkness.  Something else must have caused the eclipse.  Something BIGGER.
Yes, probably the Destroyer.
But, it isn't hidden, per se, it's just that we can't see it because the sun is too bright in the day and it is basically a big rock that gives no light to be seen at night. Kind of like how you can't see the moon when it passes over at a solar eclipse, but the solar eclipse does show other bodies that are travelling with the sun. I think it is one of those.
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Post by: cindy gibson on September 11, 2017, 01:41:24 AM
What prophecies talk about planet Nibiru? I have never read or seen any such prophecies. Nor have I ever heard Prelates such as Fr kramer
or Bishop Williamson speak of them. Both of which are prophecy experts. :o
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Post by: cassini on September 11, 2017, 04:15:27 AM

Last night I was watching EURONEWS. All around the world nature is angry. To see mankind and his structures being blown and washed away shows me that God may well be teaching us a lesson in this year.

And what is the reaction? In my newspaper this female journalist says it is GOD showing Donald Trump that global-warming is a fact. Once they used to say God is angry at the behavior of mankind, now they use it to say 'too many people,' bring on more baby killing. 

When the chastisment does come in earnest, it seems man will no longer know what God is really all about and blame it all on 'global warming.'.
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Post by: Student of Qi on September 11, 2017, 08:18:40 AM

Last night I was watching EURONEWS. All around the world nature is angry. To see mankind and his structures being blown and washed away shows me that God may well be teaching us a lesson in this year.

And what is the reaction? In my newspaper this female journalist says it is GOD showing Donald Trump that global-warming is a fact. Once they used to say God is angry at the behavior of mankind, now they use it to say 'too many people,' bring on more baby killing.

When the chastisment does come in earnest, it seems man will no longer know what God is really all about and blame it all on 'global warming.'.

That may be so in most places, but good things come from chastisements. Here in Houston, there is a traditionalist diocesen prist who went about the evacuee shelters administering Sacraments and disrtibuting communion, but only after the person made a confession. There are also the many people who thank God for their lives, and those who breath repentance for their sins because they are about to die. I've heard that is why the Great Deluge was good, because there were "probably" those who, as they ran out of dry land, uttered their repentance before drowning.
Chastisements are scary, but beautiful in that it can effect the salvation of even one soul.
Something I think that Trads also need to realize is that even though we are frustrated and tired, we should stop wishing for a great chastisement. I wished for it, and others here have wished for it over time, but God only kills us as a last resort. To want these things is to lose Hope, which only we are truly capable of having. 
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Post by: MyrnaM on September 11, 2017, 09:36:01 AM
The following is my take on this event since the Bible is a Catholic book the prophecies in it are for Catholics, not man-made religions with their "end-of-the-world/rapture" stuff.

I see two meanings in this prophecy. I imagine it is a sign to signal the conversion of the Jєωs, accepting Jesus Christ, Jupiter the King planet REPRESENTS their Saviour as well as ours, the twelve stars might represent the 12 tribes, also Mary, giving birth to the Saviour and twelve stars the apostles starting with Peter as the head of His Church.  
I do think it is also a sign for Catholics to prepare for the physical chastisement. Vatican II is the spiritual chastisement.
This physical chastisement will bring on the conversion of the Israel in my opinion.  

One scientist claimed that when Jupiter leaves the womb of the Virgo (September 23rd or so) it goes into a constellation that means the scales of justice, I find that interesting also.  However, I forgot the name of the constellation since I am not familiar with the science of universe and its constellations.

That is my understanding of this September 23, nothing will happen THAT DAY and the world will soon forget all about it, Protestants will be disappointed and be confused.  The Novus Order will laugh about it, but it does mean something for Traditional Catholics to look forward to in the near future and when September comes and goes, we should not forget the happening, it is not just a coincidence.  
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Post by: cassini on September 11, 2017, 01:05:53 PM

Great posts Student of Q1 and MyrnaM.

MyrnaM, here is a little information on Zodiac:

‘The story which the Zodiac unfolds in the course of the year lies in the meanings of these names given by God to each of the star-clusters [‘Praise the lord: He tells the number of the stars; he calls each by name.' (Psalms 146)] in its forty-eight constellations when He set them in order in the beginning, making of them, as the Psalmist says: “faithful witnesses in heaven” (Ps. 88:38) of His plan for the world… Put in proper order, beginning not with Aries as now deployed, but with Virgo, [Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Pisces, Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer] and ending with Leo rather than with Pisces, the Zodiac foretold in the stars the story of the Incarnation, the Redemption and the world to come long before the Bible was written. Virgo is of course the Blessed Virgin and Leo is Jesus Christ, the Lion of Judah, universal Lord of Creation. (This incidentally, provides the answer to the mystery of the Sphinx which, having the head of a woman and the body and tail of a lion is therefore simply a representation in stone of the ancient Zodiac).’[1] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/T.E.%20The%20Book.doc#_ftn1)
 
It will come as no surprise then, in the context of that great battle of principalities and powers resulting from that martial decree of Genesis 3:15, to find occult powers commandeering the Zodiac phenomena and signs for their own needs and to blind humanity to their original purpose of creation. First the sun replaced the Earth at the centre of the Zodiac. The Earthmovers then turned astronomy into astrology, insisting the positions of the sun, moon, stars and wandering stars were Earthly spirits, ghosts and other agents who joined the heavenly angels and all began to influence planetary formations in a manner that, they said, had a direct effect on human behaviour and our destiny depending on where these cosmic bodies are within the Zodiac belt. This way the astrology ‘signs’ became the object of fraud, superstition and the occult, with men and women claiming to read personal prophesies and messages from the ‘gods’ in them. So, just as the signs in the stars were hijacked for diabolical purposes, an astrology that became a useless occult belief system for vast numbers of people throughout the last few thousand years even to this day, so too would God’s astronomy be hijacked and replaced by a heliocentrism that would also be used to serve the occult forces on Earth. The Catholic Church of course, absolutely rejects the idea that the sun, moon or planets could actually influence or predict one’s personal present or future behaviour. The Church teaches that men have free will and that God alone knows the future.



[1] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/T.E.%20The%20Book.doc#_ftnref1)Solange Hertz: The Sixth Trumpet, Remnant Press, Minnesota, 2002, p.11.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: happenby on September 11, 2017, 05:59:02 PM
S.Hertz

So, just as the signs in the stars were hijacked for diabolical purposes, an astrology that became a useless occult belief system for vast numbers of people throughout the last few thousand years even to this day, so too would God’s astronomy be hijacked and replaced by a heliocentrism that would also be used to serve the occult forces on Earth

Excellent observation. Earth is not a spinning ball in a heliocentric universe as the atheists of NASA claim. Most of the world has adopted this pagan religion of scientism at the expense of God's Word. Apostasy naturally follows.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Cera on September 12, 2017, 04:00:57 PM
Just a few points?

1)Don't know where you guys are getting your solar information but this is the first total eclipse of the Sun visible from the contiguous United States (excluding Alaska and Hawaii) since February 26, 1979. The last time a total eclipse was visible from coast to coast was on June 8, 1918.

2)The path of the solar eclipse you are referring to is linked here https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEsearch/SEsearchmap.php?Ecl=-17761130

3) If you have ever visited Yellowstone Park, they will tell you they experience near daily 3.0-4.0 earthquakes.  The activity isn't really interesting

4 Nirubu....Wll I'll just copy/paste this off Wikipedia:
The Nibiru cataclysm is a supposed disastrous encounter between the Earth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth) and a large planetary object (either a collision or a near-miss (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-Earth_object)) which certain groups believe will take place in the early 21st century. Believers in this doomsday event (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risks_to_civilization,_humans,_and_planet_Earth) usually refer to this object as Planet X (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_X) or Nibiru. The idea that a planet-sized object will collide with or closely pass by Earth in the near future is not supported by any scientific evidence and has been rejected by astronomers and planetary scientists as pseudoscience (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscience) and an Internet hoax (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoax).[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_cataclysm#cite_note-govert-2)[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_cataclysm#cite_note-NASA2012dec22-3)

The idea was first put forward in 1995 by Nancy Lieder,[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_cataclysm#cite_note-4)[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_cataclysm#cite_note-5) founder of the website ZetaTalk. Lieder describes herself as a contactee (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contactee) with the ability to receive messages from extraterrestrials (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterrestrials) from the Zeta Reticuli (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeta_Reticuli) star system through an implant in her brain.




Just a thought, but this doesn't really sound like the second coming.
Wikipedia? Please.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Cera on September 12, 2017, 04:04:16 PM
Great posts Student of Q1 and MyrnaM.

MyrnaM, here is a little information on Zodiac:

‘The story which the Zodiac unfolds in the course of the year lies in the meanings of these names given by God to each of the star-clusters [‘Praise the lord: He tells the number of the stars; he calls each by name.' (Psalms 146)] in its forty-eight constellations when He set them in order in the beginning, making of them, as the Psalmist says: “faithful witnesses in heaven” (Ps. 88:38) of His plan for the world… Put in proper order, beginning not with Aries as now deployed, but with Virgo, [Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Pisces, Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer] and ending with Leo rather than with Pisces, the Zodiac foretold in the stars the story of the Incarnation, the Redemption and the world to come long before the Bible was written. Virgo is of course the Blessed Virgin and Leo is Jesus Christ, the Lion of Judah, universal Lord of Creation. (This incidentally, provides the answer to the mystery of the Sphinx which, having the head of a woman and the body and tail of a lion is therefore simply a representation in stone of the ancient Zodiac).’[1] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/T.E.%20The%20Book.doc#_ftn1)

It will come as no surprise then, in the context of that great battle of principalities and powers resulting from that martial decree of Genesis 3:15, to find occult powers commandeering the Zodiac phenomena and signs for their own needs and to blind humanity to their original purpose of creation. First the sun replaced the Earth at the centre of the Zodiac. The Earthmovers then turned astronomy into astrology, insisting the positions of the sun, moon, stars and wandering stars were Earthly spirits, ghosts and other agents who joined the heavenly angels and all began to influence planetary formations in a manner that, they said, had a direct effect on human behaviour and our destiny depending on where these cosmic bodies are within the Zodiac belt. This way the astrology ‘signs’ became the object of fraud, superstition and the occult, with men and women claiming to read personal prophesies and messages from the ‘gods’ in them. So, just as the signs in the stars were hijacked for diabolical purposes, an astrology that became a useless occult belief system for vast numbers of people throughout the last few thousand years even to this day, so too would God’s astronomy be hijacked and replaced by a heliocentrism that would also be used to serve the occult forces on Earth. The Catholic Church of course, absolutely rejects the idea that the sun, moon or planets could actually influence or predict one’s personal present or future behaviour. The Church teaches that men have free will and that God alone knows the future.



[1] (http://file:///C:/Users/JamesRedmond/Desktop/T.E.%20The%20Book.doc#_ftnref1)Solange Hertz: The Sixth Trumpet, Remnant Press, Minnesota, 2002, p.11.
Thank you for posting this. Didn't Solange Hertz also write about Our Lady of Guadalupe and the astronomical signs on the stars of her garment?
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Tradplorable on September 12, 2017, 09:43:42 PM
Thank you for posting this. Didn't Solange Hertz also write about Our Lady of Guadalupe and the astronomical signs on the stars of her garment?
Well, Our Lady is standing upon a crescent in that miraculous image, which I would presume to indicate her victory over Islam, since Islam's symbol is a crescent.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Tradplorable on September 12, 2017, 10:17:11 PM
  

I think we can stick a fork in the Nibiru idea.  
I disagree.
God works thru physical means to affect His punishments and His miracles.
Example: He used water to Flood the world, He used brimstone to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. He used mud mixed with His spittle to heal the blind man.
The Book of Apocalypse says the Destroyer is the physical means with which He will destroy the world by fire. Maybe that is what we are referring to as Nibiru. I would say the Great Chastisement will have a physical cause also, maybe a forerunner of the Destroyer.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 12, 2017, 10:47:00 PM
I just wanna add something to this thread...about the Nibiru thing...



Did you notice what WASN'T in the skies during totality?  Nibiru.  Notice what isn't on YouTube footage of Nibiru cultists?  Anything out of the ordinary for an eclipse.  

You might have people trying to post stuff on YouTube saying that they've got Nibiru on film or some such thing. It's nonsense.  You clearly can discern that they are lens flares.  

I think we can stick a fork in the Nibiru idea.  I've no idea what Project Leak will do (or whatever they're called).  
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Anyone who claims to have a photograph of Nibiru and it's not a flat Nibiru is someone using CGI.
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Or Photoshop.
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Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 12, 2017, 10:51:42 PM
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(https://s17-us2.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.weathernationtv.com%2Fapp%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F09%2Fharvey-728x408.jpg&sp=08523dc14726a0986f1d0ac3210d3ff0)
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Can you even IMAGINE the nerve?
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Making up this fake picture of an earth that isn't flat, just to hide the truth?
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When are people going to wake up to the fact that we're being lied to?
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There must be millions of deceivers working day and night to keep the truth from going public.
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And using the tragedy of a killer hurricane to promote their deception--how unconscionable. 
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Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: cassini on September 13, 2017, 03:40:51 AM
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(https://s17-us2.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.weathernationtv.com%2Fapp%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F09%2Fharvey-728x408.jpg&sp=08523dc14726a0986f1d0ac3210d3ff0)
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Can you even IMAGINE the nerve?
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Making up this fake picture of an earth that isn't flat, just to hide the truth?
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When are people going to wake up to the fact that we're being lied to?
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There must be millions of deceivers working day and night to keep the truth from going public.
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And using the tragedy of a killer hurricane to promote their deception--how unconscionable.
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What hurricanes? NASA made them up too just to pretend the picture is real.

And add to this, people wreaked their houses and crashed their cars to make it look like NASA was right. They were all paid huge sums of money. Where do you think all NASA funding goes. 

Anything to get us to believe satellites exist?
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: cassini on September 13, 2017, 04:53:44 AM
The idea was first put forward in 1995 by Nancy Lieder,[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_cataclysm#cite_note-4)[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_cataclysm#cite_note-5) founder of the website ZetaTalk. Lieder describes herself as a contactee (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contactee) with the ability to receive messages from extraterrestrials (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterrestrials) from theZeta Reticuli (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeta_Reticuli) star system through an implant in her brain.


Wikipedia? Please.

Would you believe one of these guys, maybe their leader, was interviewed on NEWSTALK (Irish radio) the other day. I switched on during their conversation. He said aliens exist and had made contact with him. He sounded quite intelligent and nice, as though he believed in what he was saying. The interviewer let him go on and on as though he was taking him serious. I was waiting for him to burst out laughing but he resisted. 

These aliens are good guys concerned only with helping the human race no matter what religion.They prefer to remain invisible or maybe they are spirits, he said. Now there is no answer to that, is there?
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Student of Qi on September 13, 2017, 07:03:20 PM
What hurricanes? NASA made them up too just to pretend the picture is real.

And add to this, people wreaked their houses and crashed their cars to make it look like NASA was right. They were all paid huge sums of money. Where do you think all NASA funding goes.

Anything to get us to believe satellites exist?
You forgot to mention the dozens of people who were so dedicated they went and drowned themselves.

☝The above is sarcasm... for those who can't tell.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Meg on September 13, 2017, 07:09:51 PM


 Where do you think all NASA funding goes.


I think that some of the funding goes toward arms (weaponry) sales around the world. But then they get the money back, when the weapons are paid for, of course. How do you think that all of the regime changes in the middle east and elsewhere are accomplished? Though I think that the U.S. government (or rather, the military-industrial complex) sells arms to anyone who will buy them, whether they are friend or foe. NASA is the conduit that is able to help with the transport of the arms. 
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: St Ignatius on September 21, 2017, 01:29:58 PM
Pax Vobis and cassini, 

Normally, I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy to listen to anything from Glenn Beck.

Please allow me to make an exception from this rule so that I may ask of you to listen to this short interview and provide a comment...

This morning Beck gave an interview to David Meade, author of the book Planet X - 2017 The Arrival...

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/audio/92117-planet-x-and-the-end-of-the-age-w-david-meade/ (http://www.glennbeck.com/content/audio/92117-planet-x-and-the-end-of-the-age-w-david-meade/)
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: cassini on September 21, 2017, 02:56:51 PM
Pax Vobis and cassini,

Normally, I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy to listen to anything from Glenn Beck.

Please allow me to make an exception from this rule so that I may ask of you to listen to this short interview and provide a comment...

This morning Beck gave an interview to David Meade, author of the book Planet X - 2017 The Arrival...

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/audio/92117-planet-x-and-the-end-of-the-age-w-david-meade/ (http://www.glennbeck.com/content/audio/92117-planet-x-and-the-end-of-the-age-w-david-meade/)

Two points made here St Ignatious, Revelation 12 and then the problem from a planet X

Revelation 12 is indeed due to be fulfilled soon. What it means as regards the future, we do not know. A wise friend told me not to forecast any catastrophes to come because if they do not then you undermine Heaven's real purpose in the happening. Suffice to know such a star (and planet) formation was prophesied so long ago and it came to be. Perhaps there is the message, that you can count on the word of God.

Planet X is, for the moment, a conspiracy theory. You can speculate non-stop about such things, but bringing God or the Catholic faith into it is not recommended. Again, should it prove untrue, then you damage the faith by associating it with a false story.

In 1459, Pope Pius II, in his Errors of Zanini de Solcia,  warned of the errors in such speculation, specifically that the earth would be naturally destroyed by the heat of the sun. One could add to that by any other natural occurrence.

God will decide the fate of the Earth and only He knows the future.
 
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Pax Vobis on September 21, 2017, 03:18:57 PM
Hi St Ignatius,
THANKS for posting.  This is a GREAT interview.  I've heard of this astronomer gentleman and he has a lot of good info.  He tied planet x to fatima, the apocalypse and to general catholic prophecy...I agreed with most everything except the talk of the "7 years of tribulation" (this is a protestant interpretation of the apocalypse, not necessarily catholic).  I wish the interview was longer.

It's interesting that the title of the interview on Glen Beck's website says "and the end of the AGE" instead of the end of time.  I do believe that we are entering a new age for the church, (the 6th age...so not the end of time) according to Venerable Fr Bartholomew Holzhauser's prophecies, which are basically a commentary on the book of Apocalypse and how it relates to the church.  ...But!  Before we get to the 6th age, the 5th age must end and it's not going to end quietly or peacefully.

I would also like to point out that I believe that St Malachy's papal prophecies (which were discovered in 1590) are for the 5th age of the Church; that's why they end with "Gloria Olivae".  It also mentions "Peter the Roman" but that is obviously the very last pope in time and we obviously aren't there yet.  So, this was St Malachy's way of saying that Gloria Olivae is the last pope on my list...but there's more after that, including the last one.  Just my opinion, of course.  But if you believe in Fr Holzhauer's prophecies (as well as Fatima and countless other prophecies) then you have to believe that there will be a "time of peace" and normalcy in the Church.  Ergo, there has to be more popes that what St Malachy listed.  The "ages" of the Church solves this problem.

http://jeanneshouseafire.blogspot.com/2013/12/venerable-holzhausers-visions_21.html


[1520 AD -- ??] THE FIFTH EPOCH, which commences with the birth of Protestantism, and wherein we still live, is the state of“TRIBULATION,” (status afflictionis.) [The Protestant movement... is popularly considered to have begun in 1517 when Luther published The Ninety-Five Theses. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism]

“This,” says Holzhauser, “is a state of trouble, desolation, humiliation, and poverty for the church. We may with just reason call it a state of purification, in which the Lord Jesus Christ has sifted His wheat, and will sift it again by wars, by ѕєdιтισns, by famines, by epidemics, and other scourges, by the tribulation and the poverty which He will suffer to weigh on the Latin church, by means of heretics and bad Christians, who will take from her the greater part of her bishoprics and countless monasteries, especially the wealthier ones. She is oppressed even by Catholic princes, and despoiled by means of taxes, imposts, and other extortions; so that we may say, in groaning with the prophet Jeremiah, ‘The queen of nations hath been placed under the yoke.’ The church is (Beykirch, p. 138) become poor and miserable, because she hath been calumniated by heretics, because her ministers are despised by bad Christians, who render them neither honor nor respect. By all these means God will sift His wheat; He will cast the chaff away to be burnt, and will gather the wheat into His barns. This fifth state of the church is the state of tribulation, the state of apostasy, full of miseries of every kind. Few will be spared by the sword, by famine, and by pestilence. We shall see kingdom rise against kingdom; empires will be divided in themselves, and brought to desolation; principalities and monarchies will be overturned, and almost the whole world will sink into poverty. The greatest desolation will reign over the earth. 

All this hath in part been already accomplished (1656 AD); a part remains yet to be accomplished. These things will come to pass by the very just judgment of God, because of the accuмulated mass of our iniquities, whereof our fathers and ourselves have filled up the measure, at the moment when the mercy of Almighty God awaited our doing penance. The fifth day of creation, on which the earth brought forth birds, fishes, and beasts of the field, is a type of this epoch, wherein men, like to the birds of the air and the fishes of the water, give themselves up to license, sink to the level of the brute, and wallow in lust. In this lamentable state of the church divine and human laws are without force, and made of light account; the doctrines and precepts of the church are despised; ecclesiastical discipline is not better observed by the priests, than political order is maintained by the people. Every one, like the beasts of the field, believes what he pleases, and doth what he wills.

“The correspondence of this period with the fifth age of the ancient world, from Solomon down to the Babylonian captivity, is extremely striking. Then Israel fell into idolatry, and Judah and Benjamin were alone true to the covenant. So in the times we speak of, a large portion of the Catholic population has fallen away from the true church; while a small number only of good Christians has survived. The Jєωιѕн state was then ruined, and was harassed and oppressed by heathens; so also has the holy Roman empire of Germany been ravaged and dismembered by the neighboring nations.

“To this [fifth] age has been accorded the [SPIRITUAL] GIFT OF COUNSEL; for counsel did the church need in order to counteract such fearful calamities, and to uphold the Catholic faith. This gift of counsel was revealed in the Council of Trent, in the institution of the Society of Jesus, by whose exertions, learning, and sanctity, the Catholic faith and the church throughout Europe, were rescued from destruction. 

“A type of this epoch is the Church of Sardis—a word that signifies the beginning of beauty; for the calamities of this period will be the beginning of a better time. Divine providence hath wisely ordained that the church which He will cause to endure unto the end of the world, should be moistened from time to time (Beykirch, p. 139) with the waters of tribulation, as the gardener watered his garden in the time of drought.”(Beykirch, pp. 21-23).


--- The sixth age of the Church ---

In the next passage we leave what the Indians call the Caliyuga, or present age of misery and perturbation, and soar with the prophet into those pure serene times, which will witness the complete and glorious triumph of Christ’s Church upon earth. As these different epochs are not separated one from the other by any harsh dissonance; but the concluding tones of the succeeding period; so the conclusion of the fifth age will be marked by great conquests of the church. And of these conquests we think we already discern the beginning. 

“THE SIXTH PERIOD of the church the (status consolationis)—time of “CONSOLATION” begins with the HOLY POPE and the POWERFUL EMPEROR, and terminates with the birth of Anti-christ. (Revelations, 3: 7, 10.)

“This will be an age of solace, wherein God will console His church after the many mortifications and afflictions she had endured in the fifth period. For all nations will be brought to the unity of the true Catholic faith.

“A type of this period was the sixth age of the old world, from the deliverance of the Israelites out of the Babylonian captivity, and the rebuilding of the city and of the temple of Jerusalem, down to the coming of Christ. As God gladdened His people by the rebuilding of the temple and of the holy city; as all kingdoms and nations were subjected to the Roman empire; and Caesar August, the most powerful and excellent monarch, after vanquishing all his enemies, gave for fifty-six years, peace to the world; so will God pour out upon His church, that witnessed in the fifth period nought be affliction, the most abundant consolations. 

But this happy age will be ushered in under the following circuмstances. When all is desolated with war; when the church and the priests must pay taxes; when Catholics are oppressed by heretics, and their faithless fellow-religionists; when monarchs are murdered; subjects oppressed; when riches are extirpated; when every thing concurs to bring about the establishment of Republics; then will the hand of the Almighty produce a marvelous change, according to human notions seemingly impossible. For that STRONG MONARCH, (whose name is to be “the help of God,”) will as the envoy of the Almighty, root up these Republics. He will subject all things to him self, and will zealously assist the true Church of Christ. All heresies will be banished into hell; the Turkish empire will be overthrown to its foundations, and his dominion will extend from east to west. All nations will come, and will worship the Lord in the one true Catholic Faith. Many righteous men will (Beykirch, p. 140) flourish, and many learned men will arise. Men will love justice and righteousness, and peace will dwell on the whole earth. For the Omnipotent will bind Satan for many years, until the advent of him who is to come,--the son of perdition. 

“In respect to perfection, this period corresponds to the sixth day of creation, on which God created man after His own image, and subjected to him, as lord of creation, all creatures of the earth. So will man be now a true image of God, (in righteousness and holiness), and the STRONG MONARCH will rule over all nations. 

“The sixth gift of the SPIRIT, THE FEAR OF THE LORD, will in this period be poured out upon the church; for men will fear the Lord their God, keep His commandments, and serve him with their whole heart. The scriptures will be understood after one uniform fashion, without contradiction and error, so that all will marvel they had so long misunderstood the clear sense of holy writ. The sciences will be multiplied and completed, and men will receive extraordinary illumination in natural, as well as divine knowledge.” (Beykirch, p. 27 – 29). 

The tenth chapter of the Apocalypse comprises, according to Holzhauser, special revelations respecting the MIGHTY MONARCH and the ENLIGHTENED POPE, as we may reasonably assume, that God would not leave the world without some indication as to these great Renovators of an age apparently not very remote.

Revelations (Apocalypse) 10: 1-7 “And I saw, another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud; and a rainbow was on his head, and his face was as the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire.And he had in his hand a little book open; and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot upon the earth; and he cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roars... And the angel whom I saw standing upon the sea and upon the earth, lifted up his hand, and swore by Him who created all things, that time shall be no longer; but that the mystery of God shall be finished, as He hath declared by His servants the prophets.”

[Holzhauser writes] “This is the lofty description of that MIGHTY MONARCH sent by God.He is a mighty angel, for no one can resist him, the envoy of God. He will come down from heaven; that is to say, he will be born in the bosom of the Catholic church.The cloud with which he is clothed signifies humility, with which, from youth upward, and without any great parade, he walks in the simplicity of his heart.The protection of God is also thereby indicated, that, on account of his humility, will encompass him.The rainbow about his head denotes, that he will bring peace to the whole earth.The solar luster of his brow signifies the splendor of his glory, his honor, his holiness, his talents, so that all princes will follow (Beykirch, p. 141) his example.The fiery pillars symbolize the vast extent of his power, and the fire of his religious zeal...

“The spread of the church over all countries will take place by the instrumentality of this STRONG MONARCH, and before the destruction of the world, Christianity will be preached to all nations of the earth; as this is foretold in Matthew 24: 4; in Isaiah 2: 2; and in Micheas (Micah) 4: 2. To this wide diffusion of Christianity allusion is made, when John is obliged to measure the temple of God.(Apocalypse 11: 1).

“And John saw one sitting upon a cloud, a son of man, with a golden crown upon his head, and a sharp sickle in his hand.(Apocalypse 14: 14)

[Holzhauser writes] This is the second vision respecting the MIGHTY MONARCH; the crown is that of the holy Roman empire;the sickle in his hand, his unconquerable army, with which, without sustaining a defeat, he will vanquish all the enemies of God and His church.

“And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat upon the cloud, ‘Thrust in thy sickle, and reap, because the hour is come to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.’ (Apocalypse 14: 15).

[Holzhauser explains] “This angel of the Lord is that GREAT AND HOLY POPE, who, moved by God, will cry out of the sanctuary of the church to that MIGHTY MONARCH, to root out the tares of wickedness, for the harvest is over-ripe; the measure of sins and abominations is overflowing. Instructed by a divine revelation, the HOLY POPE will, by communicating the same, stir up the hearts of princes to a common war; and God will touch the hearts of the soldiers, that, animated with one spirit, they all will adhere to the MIGHTY MONARCH.” (Beykirch, pp. 30 – 32).
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: St Ignatius on September 21, 2017, 06:50:25 PM
Thank you Pax Vobis and cassini for your comments... I really do appreciate them. I did find that there was some contrast between the comments, but neither where lacking of being insightful.

I wish I would have used my mind more efficiently when I was younger, learning new things now is becoming more difficult for me. As they say, with age, the first thing to go is your mind...

I do find this study extremely interesting and will attempt a better understanding of it. Thank you both again.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Tradplorable on September 21, 2017, 06:55:04 PM
Pax Vobis and cassini,

Normally, I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy to listen to anything from Glenn Beck.

Please allow me to make an exception from this rule so that I may ask of you to listen to this short interview and provide a comment...

This morning Beck gave an interview to David Meade, author of the book Planet X - 2017 The Arrival...

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/audio/92117-planet-x-and-the-end-of-the-age-w-david-meade/ (http://www.glennbeck.com/content/audio/92117-planet-x-and-the-end-of-the-age-w-david-meade/)
Glenn Beck actually talked about flat earth on his show the day after the eclipse. *gasp*
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: St Ignatius on September 21, 2017, 07:02:40 PM
Glenn Beck actually talked about flat earth on his show the day after the eclipse. *gasp*
Normally, I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy to listen to anything from Glenn Beck.
Okay... there might be an exception...
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: cassini on September 22, 2017, 04:54:02 AM

Book 12 of St John's Apocalypse,

'And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars: And being with child, she cried travailing in birth, and was in pain to be delivered. And there was seen another sign in heaven: and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads, and ten horns: and on his head seven diadems:  And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to be delivered; that, when she should be delivered, he might devour her son.  And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod: and her son was taken up to God, and to his throne.'

It seems to me that this simply passage recalls Genesis, where Satan the Devil (a great red dragon, having seven heads, and ten horns: and on his head seven diadems), who influences one third of the angels to deny God the Trinity, and who were accordingly cast down to Hell on Earth by God. It also repeats that the woman Mary would bring forth a Son (Jesus) Who would be met by the Devil and his fallen angels dedicated to destroying that Kingship of Christ intended by God to rule the world. 
 
It seems to me, as I suggested above, the sign in the stars we are about to witness, gives credibility to Genesis as revealed by God to us through Moses. It send a universal sign to all who will heed it that Christianity is indeed the will of God. Surely that should be enough to confirm us in our faith, a 7000 year old prediction come true.

Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: MyrnaM on September 22, 2017, 07:35:10 AM
Tomorrow so many Protestations will be disappointed to find themselves still here, I say to them perhaps because there are so few Protestant true to the teachings of Christ that no one missed the few if any who were raptured up.
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Post by: Tradplorable on September 22, 2017, 08:15:57 AM
I don't think anything dramatic is going to happen tomorrow, other than the astronomical sign in the stars.

Our Lord told us that we are to "look up" and to "watch" and pray. He also told us the stars were made for "signs" (in Genesis).

I do think this sign is probably a signal about the imminent start of the 7 years Tribulation.


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Post by: Tradplorable on September 22, 2017, 08:18:52 AM
 

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/audio/92117-planet-x-and-the-end-of-the-age-w-david-meade/ (http://www.glennbeck.com/content/audio/92117-planet-x-and-the-end-of-the-age-w-david-meade/)
Dr. Meade is precisely right about the sudden acceleration of wrath since the Aug. 21st eclipse.
The sun has produced several strong X-class flares in the past two weeks, which it is believed are somehow connected to earthquake activity, which we have had three or four significant quakes following the X-flares.
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Post by: Tradplorable on September 22, 2017, 08:26:10 AM
Today Google shows a mouse headed underground for fall:

(http://imglf.nosdn.127.net/img/VldFdTRMQTdacDNDTzJXVUxZeDRrQWJHbEowYTkwcXRVbmxiMnB4cHpXdE84ejZUS05RenlnPT0.gif)
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Post by: Tradplorable on September 22, 2017, 09:11:34 AM
In this hour, Beck discusses FE:
https://youtu.be/Kqsope-Gy-Q

Original source from 8/22:
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/audio/82217-hour-2/
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Post by: Pax Vobis on September 22, 2017, 09:15:03 AM
More interesting "coincidences"...  (FYI, this is pure speculation from other websites which I'm posting for fun.  There's no way to prove any of this, since it comes from the book of the Apocalypse, which the Church allows to be interpreted in 4 ways - allegorical, symbolical, historical and literal.  But, we do know Ch 12, verse 1:2 on Sept 23 IS LITERAL, therefore these other events may be too and may be in our time period.  Who knows...)

First off, here's what we know for sure.

1.  Sept 23 - the 'Sign of the Woman' is seen in the heavens
And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 And being with child, she cried travailing in birth, and was in pain to be delivered.

The important quote above, for this timeline's purpose, is that the woman was "to be delivered".  The woman has not delivered her child yet.  Keep that in mind.


2.  Will we see the Red Dragon before Oct 11?
3 And there was seen another sign in heaven: and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads, and ten horns: and on his head seven diadems: 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to be delivered; that, when she should be delivered, he might devour her son.

Again, we see the phrase "when she should be delivered", meaning it has not happened yet.  Below, we know that the woman gives birth on Oct 11, therefore the red dragon should make an appearance before then.

Also, we notice that verse 4 makes reference to the stars of heaven being cast upon the earth.  Obviously, this has many meanings, but if we stick with the constellation/heavenly bodies meaning, this suggests either a meteor shower or some type of earthly destruction from space debris.  It's interesting to note that on Sept 5, Canada and other places have been hit by large meteors which, lit up the sky like lightning, exploded, and rattled windows of houses.  Here's footage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy3LluPinso (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy3LluPinso)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqRSVNmXEw4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqRSVNmXEw4)

There is also footage of meteors hitting earth in Pennsylvania and California just last month.  Could we expect to see a large, destructive meteor shower hit earth soon?  Well, since the Aug 22 eclipse, we've seen multiple, massive hurricanes, forest fires, earthquakes, flooding, tsunamis, meteors and rivers turning red (in Indonesia 2017 and other places since 2016)...why not more meteors?


3.  Oct 11 - Jupiter, the Messiah and King planet, exits the constellation Virgo  (i.e. the Woman gives birth)
On October 11, the Constellation Virgo 'delivers' the Jupiter star, when Jupiter exits towards the feet (i.e. out of the womb) of the Woman.  October 11 is also the feast of...THE DIVINE MATERNITY OF OUR LADY!  Coincidence?  If it is, all I can say is, "wow".

5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod: and her son was taken up to God, and to his throne.


Speculation on seeing the Red Dragon on Oct 5
Now, here is a large piece of speculation, by a protestant related to the bible, so take it with a massive grain of salt:

Much like the sign on Sept 23, which will not be visible to the naked eye (except for a few places on earth), some say that the red dragon (i.e. planet x, nirubu, the comet) will also not be seen by the naked eye (except for a few places on earth).  On the contrary, some say that we will see the red dragon on Oct 5, because this lines up with Apocalypse chapter 6.

12 And I saw, when he had opened the sixth seal, and behold there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair: and the whole moon became as blood:
13 And the stars from heaven fell upon the earth, as the fig tree casteth its green figs when it is shaken by a great wind:
14 And the heaven departed as a book folded up: and every mountain, and the islands were moved out of their places.

The reason they are lining up Chapter 6 with Chapter 12 is because of the underlined parts where it says that the sun became black and the moon red.  This seems to say that the sun will be eclipsed.  However, it can't be eclipsed by the moon, or else the moon will also be dark.  So the sun must be eclipsed by something else...planet x.  Since the moon is red, and the dragon is red, therefore, when planet x comes between the earth and the sun (which many astronomers suggest will happen during its orbit), then planet x will block the sun from the earth, turning it black, and also giving a red glow to the moon.

Verse 13 mentions stars falling upon the earth, which also lines up with verse 4 in chapter 12 (dragon's tail casting stars to earth).  And then verse 14 mentions an earthquake, which is VERY likely when planet x's orbit comes close, since its gravitational pull will affect our own, causing all kinds of earthquakes, roaring of the seas and other disasters because our magnetic poles will be out of sync (we may already be witnessing this in all the disasters since Aug 22).

Conclusion
Based on facts, the main conclusions are these:
1.  Since the Aug 21 eclipse, there is no doubt that an increase of natural disasters of "apocalyptic" proportions have occurred in and near the US, just as biblical and historical evidence suggested would happen, based on the ominous signs indicated by a full solar eclipse.
2.  The 'great sign of the woman' occurs on Sept 23, the day before the Feast of Our Lady of Ransom, which is a feast dedicated to Our Lady related to the Muslims.
3.  A full moon ocurrs on Oct 5.
4.  Feast of Our Lady of the Rosary is Oct 7.
5.  Virgo gives birth to Jupiter on Oct 11, the feast of the Divine Maternity of Our Lady.
6.  Feast of Our Lady of the Pillar is Oct 12.  Our Lady appeared to the Apostle, St James, in Spain.  St James is known as the "moor slayer".
7.  Oct 13, 100 year anniversary of the Fatima 'miracle of the sun'.
8.  The muslims respect Our Lady and have a connection with Fatima, being that Muhammed's daughter was named Fatima.
9.  The Cubs won the world series last year, starting the events of the apocalypse.

Everything else concerning planet x and the red dragon is speculation, but it's surely fun...
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Post by: MyrnaM on September 22, 2017, 09:55:11 AM
This also is an interesting read:


http://haydock1859.tripod.com/id298.html
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Post by: St Ignatius on September 22, 2017, 10:28:48 AM
Conclusion
Based on facts, the main conclusions are these:
1.  Since the Aug 21 eclipse, there is no doubt that an increase of natural disasters of "apocalyptic" proportions have occurred in and near the US, just as biblical and historical evidence suggested would happen, based on the ominous signs indicated by a full solar eclipse.
2.  The 'great sign of the woman' occurs on Sept 23, the day before the Feast of Our Lady of Ransom, which is a feast dedicated to Our Lady related to the Muslims.
3.  A full moon ocurrs on Oct 5.
4.  Feast of Our Lady of the Rosary is Oct 7.
5.  Virgo gives birth to Jupiter on Oct 11, the feast of the Divine Maternity of Our Lady.
6.  Feast of Our Lady of the Pillar is Oct 12.  Our Lady appeared to the Apostle, St James, in Spain.  St James is known as the "moor slayer".
7.  Oct 13, 100 year anniversary of the Fatima 'miracle of the sun'.
8.  The muslims respect Our Lady and have a connection with Fatima, being that Muhammed's daughter was named Fatima.
9.  The Cubs won the world series last year, starting the events of the apocalypse.

Everything else concerning planet x and the red dragon is speculation, but it's surely fun...
Your conclusion seems to me to be a good stepping stone overall for the novice... but, I'm not too sure about #8. And also, #9 should be more to the top, that could be considered one of the greatest phenomenons of the twenty-first century. 
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Post by: Tradplorable on September 22, 2017, 10:33:03 AM


Everything else concerning planet x and the red dragon is speculation, but it's surely fun...
You would like the movie I posted. I'm watching now, some good stuff in here:
http://start.att.net/exclusive/audience/the-sign-docuмentary
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Post by: Pax Vobis on September 22, 2017, 10:58:31 AM
Fatima connection with the Muslims:
Obviously there are many muslims who hate catholicism, and there are many who are muslims in name only.  But, true muslims respect Our Lady and Our Lord, because this is in the Koran.  Though they be few, they do exist.  The below partial article is interesting, since it quotes Bishop Sheen.


http://blog.adw.org/2013/05/our-lady-of-fatima-and-the-muslim-connection/

Indeed, I have often heard that Muslims hold our Blessed Mother Mary in high regard. This reverence may stop short of our devotion but there is said to be a respect for her in the Muslim tradition.  Now, I first learned this from the great Archbishop, Fulton Sheen in his book, The World’s First Love.

The Koran, which is the Bible of the Moslems, has many passages concerning the Blessed Virgin. First of all, the Koran believes in her Immaculate Conception, and also, in her Virgin Birth…..The Koran also has verses on the Annunciation, Visitation, and Nativity. Angels are pictured as accompanying the Blessed Mother and saying, Oh Mary, God has chosen you and purified you, and elected you above all the women of the earth. In the 19th chapter of the Koran there are 41 verses on Jesus and Mary. There is such a strong defense of the virginity of Mary here that the Koran in the fourth book, attributes the condemnation of the Jєωs to their monstrous calumny against the Virgin Mary.

Mary, then, is for the Moslems the true Sayyida, or Lady. The only possible serious rival to her in their creed would be Fatima, the daughter of Mohammed himself. But after the death of Fatima, Mohammed wrote: Thou shalt be the most blessed of women in Paradise, after Mary. In a variant of the text Fatima is made to say; I surpass all the women, except Mary.

This brings us to our second point; namely, why the Blessed Mother, in this 20th Century should have revealed herself in the significant little village of Fatima, so that to all future generations she would be known as “Our Lady of Fatima.” Since nothing ever happens out of Heaven except with a finesse of all details, I believe that the Blessed Virgin chose to be known as “Our Lady of Fatima” as pledge and a sign of hope to the Moslem people, and as an assurance that they, who show her so much respect, will one day accept her divine Son too.

Evidence to support these views is found in the historical fact that the Moslems occupied Portugal for centuries. At the time when they were finally driven out, the last Moslem chief had a beautiful daughter by the name of Fatima. A Catholic boy fell in love with her, and for him she not only stayed behind when the Moslems left, but even embraced the Faith. The young husband was so much in love with her that he changed the name of the town where he lived to Fatima. Thus the very place where our Lady appeared in 1917 bears a historical connection to Fatima, the daughter of Mohammed.

Missionaries, in the future will, more and more, see that their apostolate among the Moslems will be successful in the measure that they preach Our Lady of Fatima. Mary is the advent of Christ, bringing Christ to the people before Christ himself is born. In any apologetic endeavor, it is always best to start with that which the people already accept. Because the Moslems have devotion to Mary, our missionaries should be satisfied merely to expand and develop that devotion, with the full realization that our Blessed Lady will carry the Moslems the rest of the way to her divine Son. She is forever a “traitor,” in the sense that she will not accept any devotion for herself, bit will always bring anyone who is devoted to her to her divine Son.

But still we are left with Fatima. Why Fatima? Why a town bearing the namesake of Muhammad’s daughter? It seems clear that Mary will play an important role in the years ahead as the Muslim/Christian conflict likely grows sharper. Perhaps, as Sheen notes, she will be the bridge that connects two vastly different cultures, the common mother who keeps her children talking. Right now this connection seems little pursued, even, as far as I can tell, by the Vatican. But here too allow a question from me. Are there any of you who know if Our Lady of Fatima has any role in Vatican-Muslim dialogue?

The Guadalupe connection – I wonder too if the history of Our Lady of Guadalupe presents some historical parallels to our current struggle with the Muslim world. In the early 16th Century in Mexico, missionaries had made only meager progress in bringing the Aztec people to Christ. It was a combination of the sometimes rude and cruel treatment of the indigenous people by the Spanish soldiers, and also of the fearful superstition surrounding the Aztec gods. These gods required horrific human sacrifices and kept the people locked in with this fear that, unless they fed these gods, their greatest god, the sun, would no longer shine.

Into this fearful and suspicious setting entered Mother Mary. The miraculous image she left in 1531 was richly symbolic: Her face is a mother’s face, gentle and compassionate, unlike the frightful Aztec gods who wore fierce masks. Her features seem to be both an Aztec and European, two cultures are combined in kindness and peace. Her attitude is one of humble prayer, so she is clearly not a god. She is a merciful mother who consoles and prays for us. She is to be honored but not adored. The black band around her waist means that she is with child and offers Jesus to the people. Her message is about him. The sun was the greatest of the Aztec gods and, by standing in front of the sun, Mary shows that she is greater than all their gods. The moon represented to them the god of darkness and death. That she is standing on the moon is a sign that these powers too have been defeated by the son she bears.

Mary brought the breakthrough. Within ten years over 12 million Mexicans came to Christ and entered the Catholic Church.

This history is paralleled in many ways today in the current tensions with the Muslim World. In many Muslim lands today conversions are few. Part of the reason for this is a strong aversion for the western culture from which Catholicism comes. Another reason includes many alleged grievances that Muslims have of American and Western “mistreatment.” Finally, a large factor is fear. Leaving the Muslim faith is likely to get you killed in many parts of the Muslim world. So, it is a combination of a wide cultural gulf, alleged grievances, and fear, that keep conversions low. All not unlike 16th Century Mexico.

Is Mary key? It took Mary to bridge all these similar gaps between the Aztecs and the Christian Missionaries. Might Mary also be that bridge today when similar gaps divide? Time will tell, but one of her greatest Modern titles is Our Lady of Fatima. And then, there is the crescent moon upon which Mary stands in the image of Guadalupe. In modern times the crescent moon is the symbol of Islam. Mother Mary of Guadalupe, by God’s grace, was victorious and overcame the false religion of the Aztecs with love and humility.

Might this crescent moon on which Our Lady of Guadalupe stands also point to our times, and the crescent moon of Islam? Might it indicate that her victories, by God’s grace, are not at an end. Perhaps we can hope that what our Lady of Guadalupe was to the Aztec people of Mexico, Our Lady of Fatima will be to the Muslim people of the world.
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Post by: Tradplorable on September 22, 2017, 11:11:09 AM

Might this crescent moon on which Our Lady of Guadalupe stands also point to our times, and the crescent moon of Islam? Might it indicate that her victories, by God’s grace, are not at an end. Perhaps we can hope that what our Lady of Guadalupe was to the Aztec people of Mexico, Our Lady of Fatima will be to the Muslim people of the world.
Yes, the fact that she is standing upon the cresent moon represent her victory over Islam, as the crescent moon Islam's symbol.
(http://flagpedia.net/data/flags/ultra/tr.png)
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Post by: Tradplorable on September 22, 2017, 11:11:53 AM
Atop all minarrets:

(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/minaret-mosque-dubai-8126868.jpg)
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Post by: Meg on September 22, 2017, 11:18:22 AM
I had a conversation with one of my sons this morning, who is an amateur astronomer. He accepts the mainstream view of astronomy (which of course I disagree with). He's been studying the issue of Planet X, from a mainstream POV, and he says that there's no proof that Planet X even exists. Evidently, it's believed to possibly exist, due to pluto (an ice planet) and asteroids that are in a elliptical orbit, and which don't follow the usual orbit like other planets. It's believed that a giant planet is somehow pulling them in another direction, or orbit, but proof of this doesn't yet exist. He also said that there isn't any evidence that Planet X (if it exists) will come anywhere near the earth, or even be visible.  

While I disagree strongly with the mainstream view of astronomy, I have to ask others here if there really is any evidence that Planet X really exists. It might....I'm just wondering.
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Post by: Student of Qi on September 22, 2017, 11:54:26 AM
Tomorrow so many Protestations will be disappointed to find themselves still here, I say to them perhaps because there are so few Protestant true to the teachings of Christ that no one missed the few if any who were raptured up.
They can't be "raptured" since they're all "ruptured".
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Post by: Tradplorable on September 22, 2017, 12:03:54 PM


While I disagree strongly with the mainstream view of astronomy, I have to ask others here if there really is any evidence that Planet X really exists. It might....I'm just wondering.
I think the evidence is known as perturbations to other orbits that cannot be unless an unknown object was causing them.
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Post by: cassini on September 22, 2017, 12:55:17 PM
I think the evidence is known as perturbations to other orbits that cannot be unless an unknown object was causing them.

Do not look to modern astronomy to understand anything.

PERTURBATIONS are an invention by Isaac Newton. Kepler compromised with the geometry of orbits and settled on ELLIPSES. Isaac Newton's whole theory of gravitation is based on Kepler's ellipses. When they discovered the planets, and sun, were not to be found on their supposed elliptical path, Newton invented his perturbation theory, that is, they are pulled off their elliptical orbit by way of his theory of gravity based on Mass. Domenico Cassini found no such orbits, no such perturbations, but planets never straying off their Cassinian oval orbits while moving at the same pace.

Imaging the MASS of the earth and a man can jump into the air with no problems, no perturbation.
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Post by: Pax Vobis on September 22, 2017, 01:18:28 PM
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While I disagree strongly with the mainstream view of astronomy, I have to ask others here if there really is any evidence that Planet X really exists. It might....I'm just wondering.
The astronomer who was interviewed by Glen Beck (see post above) has seen pictures from friends who worked at privately-owned space observatories.  He obviously saw something, if he wrote a book.  There's also evidence from the ancient civilizations (egyptians, sumarians, celtics) who called it the "destroyer planet" or "the frightener".  The bible refers to "wormwood" which is potentially this planet.  There are many prophecies about a "comet" which causes havoc on earth.

https://www.ancient-code.com/20-things-you-should-know-about-nibiru-planet-x/ (https://www.ancient-code.com/20-things-you-should-know-about-nibiru-planet-x/)

20 things you should know about Nibiru – Planet X

Zecharia Sitchin described Nibiru according to Sumerian cosmology as the 12th planet. Nibiru is home to an alien race called the Anunnaki an extreme advanced extraterrestrial civilization. Researchers have talked about the possibility of a giant planet that has an extreme strange orbit around our sun.

In 2008, Japanese researchers announced that according to their calculations, there should be an “undiscovered” planet at a distance of about 100 AU (astronomical units) that has a size of up to two-thirds of the planet Earth. These calculations support the hypothesis of the existence of Nibiru, or Planet X. Here we bring you 20 things you should know about the mysterious planet Nibiru.

- The name “Nibiru” originated from the ancient Sumerians, who once inhabited ancient Mesopotamia, modern-day Iraq. It is the twelfth planet describe by Zecharia Sitchin.
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Post by: Meg on September 22, 2017, 01:37:59 PM
The astronomer who was interviewed by Glen Beck (see post above) has seen pictures from friends who worked at privately-owned space observatories.  He obviously saw something, if he wrote a book.  There's also evidence from the ancient civilizations (egyptians, sumarians, celtics) who called it the "destroyer planet" or "the frightener".  The bible refers to "wormwood" which is potentially this planet.  There are many prophecies about a "comet" which causes havoc on earth.

https://www.ancient-code.com/20-things-you-should-know-about-nibiru-planet-x/ (https://www.ancient-code.com/20-things-you-should-know-about-nibiru-planet-x/)

20 things you should know about Nibiru – Planet X

Zecharia Sitchin described Nibiru according to Sumerian cosmology as the 12th planet. Nibiru is home to an alien race called the Anunnaki an extreme advanced extraterrestrial civilization. Researchers have talked about the possibility of a giant planet that has an extreme strange orbit around our sun.

In 2008, Japanese researchers announced that according to their calculations, there should be an “undiscovered” planet at a distance of about 100 AU (astronomical units) that has a size of up to two-thirds of the planet Earth. These calculations support the hypothesis of the existence of Nibiru, or Planet X. Here we bring you 20 things you should know about the mysterious planet Nibiru.

- The name “Nibiru” originated from the ancient Sumerians, who once inhabited ancient Mesopotamia, modern-day Iraq. It is the twelfth planet describe by Zecharia Sitchin.
  • -  Nibiru is also called Marduk, and it arrives at our solars system with an extreme clockwise elliptical course.
  • -  According to several ancient texts from Mesopotamia, there is strong evidence that supports theories that Nibiru, has an orbital period of 3600 years. The number 3,600 was    represented by the Sumerians as a large circle.
  • - The expression for the planet, the “shar” also means a perfect circle or full circle and also represents the number.
  • - Ancient Astronaut theorists believe that the convergence of the three concepts – planet / orbit / and number 3,600 – could not be a coincidence.
  • - Strangely, The periods of the kingdom were also multiples of shar, 3,600 years, leading to the speculation that the empires shares were related to the orbital period of 3600 years.
  • - NASA has identified a planet with an anomalous orbit around our Sun; they refer to it as Planet X. The Washington post and other news agencies wrote about it in 1983 and the coming years.
  • -  According to the Washington Post: “A heavenly body possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to Earth that it would be part of this solar system has been found in the direction of the constellation Orion by an orbiting telescope aboard the U.S. infrared astronomical satellite… ‘All I can tell you is that we don’t know what it is,’ said Gerry Neugebauer, chief IRAS scientist.”
  • -  R. Harrington wrote a very interesting article in the Astronomical Journal in 1988. Harrington suggested that a planet three or four times the size of Earth existed, having a position of three or four-time further from the sun than Pluto. According to mathematical models that were presented, it is believed that Planet X or Nibiru, has an extremely elliptical orbit of 30 degrees.
  • -  It is believed that the planet originated from the Orion constellation, passing near our planet and coming towards it from the Sun, after making its way by Earth, it head towards outer space and “disappears”.
  • -  Mythologically speaking, it has the appearance of a fiery beast, appearing in the sky like a second sun.
  • -  Nibiru is a magnetic planet, causing the Earth to tilt in space as it passes.
  • -  Nibiru is believed to have four times the diameter of Earth and is 23 times more massive, a truly gigantic planet.
  • -  According to ancient texts, Nibiru Is wrapped in a cloud of dust iron oxide red, making the rivers and lakes acquire a reddish color.
  • -  It is believed that it would cause days of obscurity while passing next to other planets, possibly even stopping their rotation during its transition across space due to its incredible magnetic properties.
  • -  Nibiru is also associated with great dangers. Some researchers believe if a planet like Nibiru would come close to Earth, it would cause large earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions creating an entirely new geography and climate.
  • -  It is called ” The Destroyer” in the Kolbrin, a parallel Bible located in the monastery of Glastonbury in Scotland; Men forget the days of the Destroyer. Only the wise know where it went and that it shall return at the appointed time. … It is the Destroyer … Its color was bright and fierce and ever-changing, with an unstable appearance … a fierce body of flames.
  • -  According to the US News World Report, Planet X or Nibiru exists, the article; “Shrouded from the sun’s light, mysteriously tugging at the orbits of Uranus and Neptune, is an unseen force that astronomers suspect may be Planet X – a 10th resident of the Earth’s celestial neighborhood. Last year, the infrared astronomical satellite (IRAS), circling in a polar orbit 560 miles from the Earth, detected heat from an object about 50 billion miles away that is now the subject of intense speculation.”
  • -  According to an article published in Newsweek on July 13, 1987, NASA disclosed that there might be a 10th planet orbiting our Sun.  According to NASA research scientist John Anderson, Planet X might actually be out there, but nowhere near our planets. The article form Newsweek states: “if he is right, two of the most intriguing puzzles of space science might be solved: what caused mysterious irregularities in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune during the 19th Century? And what killed off the dinosaurs 26 million years ago.”
  • -  On October 23, 1996 an article from AP called “New rebel planet found outside the solar system” states the following: A new planet that breaks all the rules about how and where planets form has been identified in orbit of a twin star about 70 light years from Earth in a constellation commonly known as the Northern Cross. The new planet has a roller coaster like orbit that swoops down close to its central star and then swings far out into frigid fringes, following a strange egg-shaped orbit that is unlike that of any other known planet.

Thanks for taking the time to post the above sources.

Non-Catholic sources can sometimes be correct. However, I can't take anything that NASA says as being truthful at all. And as for Zecharia Sitchin - he also believes that we humans were originally an alien race from another planet. Anything he says cannot be trusted at all.

And then there's the ancient Sumerian texts. What has been the traditional teachings of the Catholic Church regarding these texts? I've never seen them referenced in any traditional Catholic writings sources at all.

And the Japanese scientists seem to indicate that Planet X is still at the level of theory
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Post by: Neil Obstat on September 22, 2017, 02:01:20 PM
Yes, the fact that she is standing upon the cresent moon represent her victory over Islam, as the crescent moon Islam's symbol.
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(http://flagpedia.net/data/flags/ultra/tr.png)
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The image on the flag is not that of a crescent moon but is rather the image of a partial solar eclipse, with a 5-pointed star thrown in, which is partially superimposed near the tip of one point.
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There are two possibilities: either the artist who made it was a really BAD artist and those who accepted his bad art were too dense to know the difference, or those who accepted and promoted the flag in the first place knew it was a bad graphic but they went ahead with it anyway because they were trying to deceive everyone.
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Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 22, 2017, 02:06:03 PM
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Tomorrow, Sept. 23rd is the big day.
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Post by: cassini on September 23, 2017, 11:45:18 AM
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Tomorrow, Sept. 23rd is the big day.
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So far, so good, nothing to report from Ireland.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Tradplorable on September 23, 2017, 11:48:11 AM
So far, so good, nothing to report from Ireland.
 Cassini: what are your thoughts on why the Church formally adopted heliocentrism in 1822?
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: cassini on September 23, 2017, 03:34:14 PM
Cassini: what are your thoughts on why the Church formally adopted heliocentrism in 1822?

The Church did NOT formally adopt heliocentrism from 1822. What happened from 1741 was merely a dropping of all books treating of heliocentrism as a possible truth. They did this because the MAJORITY of the Holy Office believed heliocentrism was PROVEN CORRECT BY SCIENCE. 

Accordingly, they went along with it and allowed any Tom, Dick or Harry to try to dismiss the 1616 decree. But not one pope dared address the decree because it was not reversible. Nevertheless, this act allowed Catholics to accept what the 1616 decree defined as formal heresy. Thankfully, the illusion left by those churchmen meant that in most cases the heresy is not intended and thus MATERIAL, with no guilt as a result.

This is a subject not yet resolved.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Tradplorable on September 23, 2017, 04:17:12 PM
The Church did NOT formally adopt heliocentrism from 1822. What happened from 1741 was merely a dropping of all books treating of heliocentrism as a possible truth. They did this because the MAJORITY of the Holy Office believed heliocentrism was PROVEN CORRECT BY SCIENCE.

Accordingly, they went along with it and allowed any Tom, Dick or Harry to try to dismiss the 1616 decree. But not one pope dared address the decree because it was not reversible. Nevertheless, this act allowed Catholics to accept what the 1616 decree defined as formal heresy. Thankfully, the illusion left by those churchmen meant that in most cases the heresy is not intended and thus MATERIAL, with no guilt as a result.

This is a subject not yet resolved.
You don't think that all Catholic schools teaching heliocentrism and JPII making it formal is "not formal"? If that isn't formal adoption, I don't know what is!
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And what about 9-11-1822??
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https://www.wired.com/2008/09/sept-11-1822-church-admits-its-not-all-about-us-2/
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1822: The College of Cardinals finally caves in to the hard facts of science, saying that the "publication of works treating of the motion of the Earth and the stability of the sun, in accordance with the opinion of modern astronomers, is permitted."



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Post by: cassini on September 23, 2017, 04:37:08 PM
You don't think that all Catholic schools teaching heliocentrism and JPII making it formal is "not formal"? If that isn't formal adoption, I don't know what is!
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And what about 9-11-1822??
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1822: The College of Cardinals finally caves in to the hard facts of science, saying that the "publication of works treating of the motion of the Earth and the stability of the sun, in accordance with the opinion of modern astronomers, is permitted."

Few would believe what the holy Office of 1820-22 did to try to get the Church off the hook now that heliocentrism was SUPPOSEDLY proven.

Research every statement from the Holy Office of the U-Turn and you will find the MAGIC FORMULA: 
'in accordance with the opinion of modern astronomers,'

You see the 1616 decree they knew was papal and irreversible. So, they invented the lie that the 1616 decree was against a VIOLENT heliocentrism, that was heretical. But MODERN ASTRONOMERS now agree the MODERN heliocentrism is NOT VIOLENT, So is not heretical.

That is how they fooled the world. Unbelievable. 
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: LaramieHirsch on September 23, 2017, 04:44:14 PM
September 23, no Nibiru.  Numerologists backing off from their absurd claims.  Moving on. 
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Merry on September 23, 2017, 05:16:42 PM
Over 5 hours to go, Eastern.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Tradplorable on September 23, 2017, 05:54:02 PM

You see the 1616 decree they knew was papal and irreversible. So, they invented the lie that the 1616 decree was against a VIOLENT heliocentrism, that was heretical. But MODERN ASTRONOMERS now agree the MODERN heliocentrism is NOT VIOLENT, So is not heretical.

That is how they fooled the world. Unbelievable.
Violent??
Please elaborate.
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Post by: Tradplorable on September 23, 2017, 06:12:58 PM
- This activity of Nirubu coming close to the sun, may also cause solar flares, which can have an EMP effect, resulting in the destruction of our electrical grid.  All circuitry, electronics, etc would be fried.  We would be back to living in the 1850s.
Pax, did you notice the reports of so many huge X-class solar flares right before all the recent earthquake activity?
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 23, 2017, 06:51:29 PM
September 23, no Nibiru.  Numerologists backing off from their absurd claims.  Moving on.
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What if you're being a little hasty -- could be a few hours off you know...
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Heard a guest on a talk show saying Nibiru has something like 6 moons, and is larger than earth.
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Then he said it was supposed to eclipse the sun. 
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It's those buckshot moons that seem to be more of a problem, raises the stakes, no?
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Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 23, 2017, 08:12:47 PM
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https://youtu.be/iC_W273I2CU
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Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: chrstnoel1 on September 23, 2017, 11:44:02 PM
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Tomorrow, Sept. 23rd is the big day.
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Beautiful hot day here in Singapore, Sept. 24th. 1230 PM.
:cheers:
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Student of Qi on September 24, 2017, 12:43:25 AM
Beautiful hot day here in Singapore, Sept. 24th. 1230 PM.
:cheers:
Looks like it's just Texas and Singapore, since we haven't heard from anyone else. :cheers:
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: LaramieHirsch on September 24, 2017, 02:00:11 AM
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: cassini on September 24, 2017, 08:17:29 AM
Violent??
Please elaborate.

What happens when the Church, by way of papal definition clarifies a matter of faith (what the Bible states or reveals) by way of making its contradiction formal heresy, and then is shown by science to have got it WRONG.
In other words, what happens when the infallibility of the Church is proven wrong.

Answer: The Catholic Church is not guided by divine providence.

So, the record shows, members of the Holy Office and throughout the Church, faced the dilemma of a Church PROVEN wrong by science. Two book are on record as showing how the dogma of infallibility is falsified, Fr Roberts's and Hans Kung.

Now the Holy Office cannot have that can it, so they set about a SCHEME, a SCAM to try to WIGGLE out of this CRISIS OF FAITH. From the very beginning Catholics started to dismiss the 1616 decree as not a papal decree, merely a decision by a few cardinals in the Holy Office. They then switched the Galileo case to one of science, not faith. 

Fr Olivieri of the 1820 Holy Office said that Galileo had put forward a heliocentrism on the basis that if the earth did orbit the sun, all on earth would have a VIOLENT reaction, like trees blowing, birds being swept backwards etc. And he said THAT was the heliocentrism condemned by the Church in 1616, 1633 and 1664.

But in 1820, Olivieri said, science had shown no such VIOLENT reaction to a moving earth would result leaving a NON-HERETICAL heliocentrism. He agreed the 1616 decree was papal and irreversible but that that only applied to the VIOLENT heliocentrism.

If it was not all on record one could not believe the Holy Office, with the Pope at its head, could offer such a scam as a means of resolving the 1616 papal decree.
Indeed Fr Olivieri must not have read Copernicus's book On the Revolutions for in it Copernicus STATES HIS HELIOCENTRISM WAS A NON-VIOLENT ONE.

Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Tradplorable on September 24, 2017, 10:36:52 AM
What happens when the Church, .
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....then is shown by science to have got it WRONG.
Herein lies the problem:
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Science did not show the Church got it wrong. ... science lied.
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Galileo used made up data to bolster his case.
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Science still today cannot show any of the supposed truth of heliocentrism.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Tradplorable on September 24, 2017, 10:43:25 AM
It just occured to me that the hurricanes are named Joseph and Mary while this whole "Virgin Gives Birth" star alignment is going on...
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Post by: Tradplorable on September 24, 2017, 11:03:38 AM
Interesting facts about the coming US solar eclipse, the Sign of the Woman on Sept 23 and the reveal of Planet X, and how this will fit the description in Apocalypse chapter 12:

1) Aug 21:  Total Nationwide solar eclipse seen ONLY by citizens in the USA.
-  The last time there was a nationwide, solar eclipse that was ONLY able to be seen by the USA was in 1776, the year of the birth of our country.  Interesting.

2) There are 33 days between the solar eclipse on Aug 21 and the Great Sign on Sept 23.  33 = Interesting number.

3) Sept 23:  The 'Woman Clothed with the Sun' as described in Apocalypse chapter 12 (verse 1 and 2) will be seen in the sky.
1 (http://biblehub.com/revelation/12-1.htm)And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 (http://biblehub.com/revelation/12-2.htm)And being with child, she cried travailing in birth, and was in pain to be delivered.

-  This is the ONLY time in recorded history (7,000 years) that this configuration of stars has EVER been, or will be, this way.


October 11: the Constellation Virgo 'delivers' the Jupiter star, when Jupiter exits towards the feet (i.e. out of the womb) of the Woman.
October the 7th (feast of the Holy Rosary)
October the 12th (Our Lady of the Pillar)
October the 13th (100th anniversary of Our Lady of Fatima's 'Miracle of the Sun'.)

Hope you enjoy what i've gathered.  Feel free to add more facts!
You missed one:
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October 31st: Celebration for 500th Anniversary of Luther's Revolt
http://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/travel/sc-trav-luther-reformation-500th-anniversary-germany-0926-story.html
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Post by: Neil Obstat on September 25, 2017, 02:06:44 AM
You missed one:
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October 31st: Celebration for 500th Anniversary of Luther's Revolt
http://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/travel/sc-trav-luther-reformation-500th-anniversary-germany-0926-story.html
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Okay, but just WHO is "celebrating?"
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In 1992 there was no 500th anniversary celebration for Columbus sailing the ocean blue (1492).
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Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 25, 2017, 02:07:47 AM
It just occured to me that the hurricanes are named Joseph and Mary while this whole "Virgin Gives Birth" star alignment is going on...
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Good point.
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Post by: Tradplorable on September 25, 2017, 08:38:26 AM
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Pope Francis celebrated the beginning of the Luther anniversary year last October 31st 2016 in Sweden. Disgusting.
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Post by: Pax Vobis on September 25, 2017, 09:17:37 AM
Another interesting parallel:
When Jonah first showed up to Ninevah to preach repentence, this was on the first day of the Jєωιѕн month of Elul, which starts a period of 40 days of penance before Yom Kippur.  This 40 days is all God gave to Ninevah to repent, or else.  Yom Kippur is called the Day of Atonement.  Jonah's first day is when the eclipse happened, which was recorded throughout ancient history and is pretty famous.

This year, the US eclipse happened on the first day of Elul.  40 days later, Yom Kippur is Sept 29, which also happens to be the feast of St. Michael the Archangel, which ALSO has traditionally had a 40 day fast preceding it.

St Michael is also the angel whom the 3 Fatima children saw right before Our Lady told them the 3rd Secret.  St Michael was holding a flaming sword above the earth, about to strike it, crying "penance, penance, penance!"
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Post by: Pax Vobis on September 25, 2017, 09:23:14 AM
Also, yes, I did read about the increasing solar activity.  This has been going on for months.  Scientists say that these solar flares follow a 12 year cycle and right now all should be quiet, but they are increasing and erratic.  They are unexplainable.

Secondly, so we have seen the 'great sign' in verse 1.  We await verse 2.

I don't know what you guys experienced on saturday, but all my patron saints appeared to me, told me I was doing great; I won the lottery and was told the year of my death.  It was a great weekend...
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Post by: Tradplorable on September 25, 2017, 11:45:03 AM

I don't know what you guys experienced on saturday, but all my patron saints appeared to me, told me I was doing great; I won the lottery and was told the year of my death.  It was a great weekend...
:facepalm:
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Post by: Student of Qi on September 25, 2017, 03:30:25 PM
I don't know what you guys experienced on saturday, but all my patron saints appeared to me, told me I was doing great; I won the lottery and was told the year of my death.  It was a great weekend...
My Dad didn't even know about any of this astronomical stuff happening and he had said "Saturday felt so weird for some reason, but I don't know why". Then I told him and his reply was "So that's it"! He's the sort of fellow who gets pains when the rains and cold fronts come, etc. So if there is a strange occurance in the heavens his joints will probably tell you!
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Post by: Pax Vobis on September 25, 2017, 03:43:04 PM
Of course, i was joking.  I was mainly making fun of all the 'end of the world' people.

But that's interesting about your father.  It's possible that people more holy that I did experience something spiritual.  Does this sign still mean something important?  Yes.  Just as the sign over Bethlehem signaled the birth of the Redeemer and was only experienced by a few shepherds and magi at first, this sign/event did come to affect the whole world - eventually.
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Post by: Merry on September 25, 2017, 06:55:50 PM
I don't know what you guys experienced on saturday, but all my patron saints appeared to me, told me I was doing great; I won the lottery and was told the year of my death.  It was a great weekend...
And you were seen putting more into the collection basket the following morning?

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Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Tradplorable on September 25, 2017, 09:43:07 PM
Of course, i was joking.  I was mainly making fun of all the 'end of the world' people.

But that's interesting about your father.  It's possible that people more holy that I did experience something spiritual.  Does this sign still mean something important?  Yes.  Just as the sign over Bethlehem signaled the birth of the Redeemer and was only experienced by a few shepherds and magi at first, this sign/event did come to affect the whole world - eventually.
I wasn't trying to be harsh. It was kinda funny. Maybe a rimshot smiley is needed.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: MyrnaM on September 26, 2017, 11:16:05 AM
Interesting to note:  As 2017 draws to a close, Jupiter the planet having just entered the constellation of Libra, the BALANCE THE SCALES OF JUSTICE!

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Post by: MyrnaM on September 26, 2017, 07:35:07 PM
Now this just in!


Agung (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYaAzRgWGhI)
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: MyrnaM on October 23, 2017, 07:56:12 PM
There is a general rule out there that says, "if you can't win the argument itself, then try and destroy the credibility of the person, giving the evidence for the truth."  This statement is not a defense for Nancy Lieder and the zetatalk, I say, stay away from that, I believe its very evil.  But what I do say is, stick to evidence and clues, it can and will provide conclusions.  And by the way, regarding NASA?
Never   A   Straight   Answer!  


And so, the question begs, "Why have so many scientists and astronomers, mysteriously died, over the years?  This is not a secret, do the research on the deaths.  And so, the question that is posed, in and of itself, should tell you something is out there, with its own massive magnetism, and is perturbing all the planets in our solar system.   The use and spraying of Chem-trails to hide this object, is another clue.

By the way, the idea of Planet X, was not put out in 1995, this phenomena way known at least from the 1950's.  But at the same time, they don't just come out in plain language and speak on it, at length.  Here are two articles.  

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=SddYAAAAIBAJ&sjid=6vUDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5537,3691935&dq=planet-x&hl=en

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=rlpfAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ylsNAAAAIBAJ&pg=1227,42613&dq=planet-x&hl=en

Just a thought, based on evidence.


Does anyone have a supposition, as to why they call it Planet X?
Interesting from this scientist just TODAY,  especially at 1:30
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: Tradplorable on October 23, 2017, 08:51:58 PM

Does anyone have a supposition, as to why they call it Planet X?
Because there are only nine so far. It would be the tenth. X=10.
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: MyrnaM on October 26, 2017, 09:14:18 AM

Pride from a man, is bad enough but from a female, its quite deplorable and foul.  You imply that a man must have some title or piece of paper, stating that he is educated.  By the way, a person with a certain certified piece of paper, having had to go to a certain building [college or University], in a certain geographical location, that contains books, guess what, he had to read those books and apply comprehension to what he was reading.  And so, the implication is, the only prerequisite for learning was reading, comprehension and critical thinking skills and not being associated with a certain building per se.  At your age, I would have thought that you would have known that!?  But pride clouds the mind, among other things!


Necessarily, a man does not have to go to that building to learn, certain aspects of the topic.  Did you know that you can get a college degree through online courses?  What does that mean?  What is the basic criteria, Reading, Comprehension and Critical Thinking Skills, its a universal principle, if you didn't know that.  And so, the place, from which you do the learning in, necessarily doesn't matter per se.  A man can be in that place and never learn anything.  This seems to be the case with many young people today in America.  You demonstrate that you are all about externals i.e. degrees, honors, appointments etc.  You make presumptions about people without even knowing their level of education.  This is common among worldlings.


Myrna, do you wear your Hero membership on your sleeve!?  
Sorry I don't follow you on this, are you trying to say that I am filled with PRIDE, just because I posted an interesting video to share here?   Hero membership?
What about all those videos from HFM are you one of the Diamond Brothers hiding behind your username?  I wonder!
What is your real problem about the video, spit it out please!
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: cassini on October 27, 2017, 06:01:58 AM
Pride from a man, is bad enough but from a female, its quite deplorable and foul.  You imply that a man must have some title or piece of paper, stating that he is educated.  By the way, a person with a certain certified piece of paper, having had to go to a certain building [college or University], in a certain geographical location, that contains books, guess what, he had to read those books and apply comprehension to what he was reading.  And so, the implication is, the only prerequisite for learning was reading, comprehension and critical thinking skills and not being associated with a certain building per se.  At your age, I would have thought that you would have known that!?  But pride clouds the mind, among other things!
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That is plausible.  But that would imply that Planet X belongs in our solar system, which would imply a relationship of symbiosis, one of mutual harmonious relationship.  But planet X is destructive and has perturbed the orbits of the other planets. It has been docuмented.

Concerning planet alignments in our solar system, my understanding is that they have an effect upon Earth and when the Sun is involved in the alignments, the effects are magnified i.e. earthquakes, volcanic activity etc.  There are earthquakes happening in places were they haven't been seen before.  And so, with Planet X being in our solar system at this time, with its own opposing magnetism, it will cause certain alignments with the planets and more of them that normally if it wasn't present.  

I believe that the symbol 'X' could be indicative of two distinct lines [points] of alignment, in an esoteric way.  Meaning, a planet that causes many alignments, producing magnetic energy towards the Earth, heating up the core.  

This is just my supposition, but it makes plausible sense.

Luke 21:11 And there shall be great earthquakes in divers places, and pestilences, and famines, and terrors from heaven; and there shall be great signs.

Freedom, what an extraordinary accusation of PRIDE you directed at MyrnaM. Way over the top. I say this because pride is one of the seven deadly sins, 'if there were no pride there would be no heresy' said St Augustine.

’ An exorcist in Barcelona said in 2015 of all the sins preferred by Satan, pride was the greatest. We all want to be clever, and the cleverer the better, ‘vainglory in one’s own reasoning’ as Galileo put it. Such a talent has an internal, personal and social satisfaction that is irresistible to those that have it. It can bring honour, glory, respect, advantage, reward, and of course fame to some who excel in any given field of knowledge. Francis Bacon understood this well when he recognised ‘knowledge is power.’ Thus a consensus is compelling, contagious, and essential in order to succeed among one’s peers. But the temptations involved here are enormous, for such intelligence can also be the source of pride. The great intellectual saints - such as St Augustine, St Aquinas and St Bellarmine – knew this and refused accolades and honours, preferring instead to embrace humility and accept authority to human reasoning. They knew that here was an area that Satan has not neglected. What we are dealing with here was not only a test of reasoning but a crucial test of Catholic faith. 

Another point, it is inappropriate to accuse anyone of pride when dealing with cosmology, the greatest source of pride ever indulged in by man. Given the history of modern cosmology is based on a heresy, how could any of it be true. 'Planet X is called planet X because 'Because there are only nine so far. It would be the tenth. X=10.'
This then has to include the Earth as a planet. There is no scientific evidence of this.

Now take ' But planet X is destructive and has perturbed the orbits of the other planets. It has been docuмented.' 

Here we have Isaac Newton's 'perturbation' theory. When astronomers could not find the planets on Kepler's elliptical orbits, he invented 'perturbations,;' that is each cosmic body attracts each other body pulling them out of orbit for some time. But when Domenico Cassini measured orbits he found they are Cassinian ovals and never wander off their orbits.

'Docuмentation?' Ever hear of the 3-body problem? 
‘The so-called three-body problem of mechanics is extremely complex. Although equations expressing the relative motions can be written, no general solution was possible before the development of the high-speed digital computer.’ --- Encyclopaedia Britannica, book 19, p.46. 

With planet X you have a nine-body problem, each pulling on others as every one of them orbit the sun. Wonder how they docuмented  Planet X's perturbation?



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Post by: MyrnaM on October 27, 2017, 11:56:28 AM

I wish I understood the science behind these scientistic persons.  Why do I still find them interesting?

This is one of my favorite scientists.  


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0fPRgU46Ok (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0fPRgU46Ok)
Title: Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
Post by: cassini on October 27, 2017, 12:37:29 PM
I wish I understood the science behind these scientistic persons.  Why do I still find them interesting?

This is one of my favorite scientists.  


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0fPRgU46Ok (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0fPRgU46Ok)

There is no doubt the weather systems illustrated on the video are most interesting. Their understanding is simple, air temperatures and the Coriolis effect determine them. Satellites show these weather systems and they can calculate their paths and timing.

Observations of the sun are also fascinating. They can determine electromagnetic effects from it using instruments designed to do that. The sun, an admirable instrument, the work of the Most High…breathing out fiery vapours, and shining with his beams, he blindeth the eyes. Great is the Lord that made him, and at his words he hath hastened his course’ (Ecc. 43:2-4).

Although disclosed 2300 years ago in the Bible, it was not until the twentieth century that man confirmed the sun does indeed ‘breathe out fiery vapours.’ The prominences, described today as fantastic jets of gas that appear to spring from its surface. Some of these, known as quiescent prominences, are estimated to occasionally measure several hundreds of thousands of miles across at their base, though their height does not normally exceed some 15,000 to 30,000 miles. Then there are the eruptive prominences. Narrow at the base, resembling jagged flames, they are ejected from the chromospheres, often, the say, with velocities of 50-250 mps, commonly attaining heights speculated to be 50,000- 250,000 miles, sometimes up to 500,000 miles from the surface. Interestingly, their composition is often described today as chromospheric ‘vapours.’

Then there is dark matter, a theory or another invention:

In isolation Newton’s theory of gravity looked simple enough to work, but when extended to every particle of the known and outer universe two questions demanded an answer. Why didn’t/doesn’t the whole universe solidify through attraction to its centre? To solve this heliocentric paradox Newton pondered on an infinite universe, another metaphysical idea. Since then, they have invented some stuff called ‘dark matter’ to save Newton’s problem, an invisible form of matter that keeps the stars and galaxies of the universe from gathering into one big mass. The 'invisible' bit means they don't have to show it.
In the video he says they found 'wobbles' which should not occur if dark matter was real.

What science tries to do is make cosmology fit their natural heliocentrism. What science should be doing is trying to understand what God created to work.