Author Topic: Anecdote of jews avoiding the Cross (Read 5088 times)

claudel · « **Reply #5 on:** March 18, 2015, 04:11:24 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Nevertheless, anyone who reacts this viscerally to the Cross of Christ--it supports what the Saints have taught us, that the condemned soul throws ITSELF into Hell when it sees everything clearly.

No quarrel from this quarter, certainly. No one has compelled the overwhelming mass of the Jews to harden their hearts. They do it consciously, even proudly. Yes, many seem openly proud of their hatred of the Cross and of those who follow it.

ascent: I saw your last comment only after writing mine to Matthew. I just can't agree with your major premise. No heart or mind, not even a Jew's, is going to be won over with a contemptuous shout of "you stupid ass!"

claudel · « **Reply #6 on:** March 18, 2015, 04:23:07 PM »

Quote from: ascent

Not true when confronting jews with the Truth of Christ. An unconventional approach is needed to proselytize them due to their disposition. Any other way doesn't put the slightest dent into their hardened hearts. When they see and hear Brother Nathanael being an archer of Christ's Truth at them, then they might look into why this "crazy" man, who was once one of them (a jew), turned to Christ and was Baptized into Him. While they curiously and academically look into Christ, maybe His Divine graces will lead to their conversions, if they accept what He offers them.

Do you really think that St. Vincent Ferrer, who succeeded in converting more Jews than anyone since apostolic times, would applaud Nathanael's behavior—or your support for it? I don't.

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #7 on:** March 19, 2015, 01:48:47 AM »

Quote from: claudel

I just can't agree with your major premise. No heart or mind, not even a Jew's, is going to be won over with a contemptuous shout of "you stupid ass!"

Only Christ's grace can win over a jew or any other non-believer, but Bro Nat's unconventional style and no mincing of words directed at jews is sometimes necessary to knock the veil from their hearts, even if it's only momentary, so they can at least see to what he is testifying. Bro Nat "speaks the language" of the jew. He knows how they think and what is needed to make them lower their stubbornness and at least slightly consider what is being said to them.

What's so wrong about calling a jew a "stupid ass"? They are stupid asses. It's not vulgar, nor is it a sin to call them by such name. An "ass" is simply a stubbornly ignorant donkey. Our Lord called the jews "vipers".

Quote from: claudel

Do you really think that St. Vincent Ferrer, who succeeded in converting more Jews than anyone since apostolic times, would applaud Nathanael's behavior—or your support for it? I don't.

St. Nicholas of Myra punched heretic Arius in the face at the Council of Nicaea. Pope St. Pius X punched a modernist heretic, too, did he not? Some behavior is necessary, depending on the circuмstances and the person(s) to whom it's directed, in order to help set them straight or, at least, briefly snap them out of their detrimentally clouded mindset.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #8 on:** March 19, 2015, 07:40:49 AM »

When Christians including Catholic priests go to the Holy Land for a visit the Jews and rabbis spit on them.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #9 on:** March 19, 2015, 07:42:32 AM »

Here in America they spit on us via tv, music and politics.