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Analysis of Nibiru Doom video
« on: September 24, 2007, 10:54:14 PM »
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  • OK here we go,

    In this first step, I simply roughed out the video, and numbered the individual statements. No judgements or connection are drawn yet.

    Next step is to identify the conclusion(s) and  the premises that support those conclusions.  I will then lay the argumentative network that connect all the statements.  That may take a few days.


    Panel 1. (Introduction)

    (1) The following information is about Nibiru,  (2) and is stated as fact using Astronomical and scientific facts as the ultimate proof.
    (x)This is the final episode or the "Are you ready" series, and will have the most proof out of all the videos.

    Panel 2. (Scientific community in the 80's)

    (3) NASA recognized the possibility (in 1982) of an extra - solar planet. (4) One year later (1983), NASA launched the IRAS (Infrared Astronomical Satellite),  (5) which located a very large object.
    (6) The Washington Post Summarized an interview with the JPL IRAS scientist.

    Panel 3. (Discovery)

    (8) A Heavenly body as large as the giant planet Jupiter (9) and possibly so close to earth that it would be part of this solar system (10) has been found in the direction of the constellation Orion by an orbiting telescope

    Exhibit A... Photo of a planet.

    Panel 4. (Nibiru conspiracy)

    (11) "All I can tell you is that we don't know what it is", said Chief IRAS scientist. (12) All Governments know about this, (13) and they're taking bold steps (14) to survive the coming Planet X (Nibiru) flyby,  (13) with their powers intact

    Panel 5. (Nibiru conspiracy II)

    (15) They know they cannot save everyone, (16) just save those they deem worthy of saving. (17) They have a plan, (x) but do you ?  Or will you go quietly into the night because you where left behind ?

    Panel 6. (Possibility of survival)

    (18) There are simple things that you can set aside today to get you through the difficult years ahead. (19) Regardless of what doom sayers and naysayers tell us, our ancestors have survived similar cataclysms, (20) and so will we !

    Panel 7. (What is Nibiru ?)

    (21) First Nibiru is one of many Planets (22) that orbit a dark star or (Brown Dwarf). (23) This Dark Star has five minor planets (24) the sixth an Earth-sized Home world, (25) and the seventh the planet or object we call Nibiru

    Panel 8. (What is Nibiru ? II)

    (24) The Home world is much like Earth (27) and is where the Annuki "Giants or Gods of old" live.  (28) Nibiru is largely inhabitable and acts more as a battle station.

    Exhibit B:  Show an elongated skull.

    Panel 9.  (Nibiru orbit)

    (29) When the dark star is at perihelion (closest approached to our sun) at 60 to 70 AU, Nibiru's orbit, which is at 60 AU from it's parent, has a wide enough orbit to cut through our solar system, usually in the vicinity of Jupiter's orbit, although this can vary.

    Panel 10.  (Nibiru Orbit II)

    (30) Nibiru's orbital inclination is some 30 degrees to our solar plane or ecliptic. (31) As Nibiru cuts through our solar system, in retrograde motion to the other planets it sometimes displaces planets causing general havoc in the process.

    Exhibit C: Diagram of the orbits

    Panel 11. (Nearing Nibiru)

    (32)  It's passage is momentous but short, taking only a few weeks or months at most after which it disappears from view. (33) It's fiery red in colour (34) with a debris filled tail, (35) and circling it are a number of moons.

    Exhibit D:  two pictures, one from March 2002, the other from September 2002 (presumably of Nibiru)

    Panel 12. (Past Nibiru damage)

    (33) Nibiru or it's moons were responsible for such feats as the destruction of Maldek (34) which is now the asteroid belt. (35) It caused the craters or surfaces scars on the moon or planets of our solar system, (36) as well as their varying axial tilts and orbits.

    Panel 13.  (Past Nibiru damage II)

    (34) It caused the sinking of Atlantis (35) and Noah's Flood.  (36) It is the physical link or 'ferry" between our solar system and the dark star system of it's Brown Dwarf Star

    Panel 14. (past Nibiru recognition)

    (35) Nibiru has been known to be called the Winged (or Horned) Disc in Earths past by humans.

    Exhibit E: Rendition of a planet with gaseous wings

    Panel 15. (Nibiru angle of approach)

    Facts: (36) As Nibiru approaches the inner solar system, it will accelerate quickly below the ecliptic, passing behind and below the sun before it comes back up at a 33 degree angle.

    Exhibit F: Animation showing an orbiting object

    Panel 16. (Earth Observation)

    (37) NASA is watching Nibiru now from their new S.P.T. South Pole Telescope Area in the South Pole!

    Exhibit G: Map of south pole with emphasis to a spot named McMurdo

    Panel 17. (Nibiru time line)

    (38) Nibiru will first be seen by everyday people by May 15th 2009 as a faint reddish object. (39) It will be moving up from below Earths Orbit. (40) This means that until 2009, the only way to see it is from a South very Southern location of Earth

    Panel 18.  (Nibiru photographic evidence)

    (41) The following is a photo taken from a normal person, (42) this shows how Nibiru looks now 2007 as seen in a most southern area of the planet. (43) Once again, this photo is real.

    Exhibit H: a three staged tropical sunset with emphasis on a moving spot of light.

    Panel 19. (Nibiru ominous approach)

    (44) By May of 2011, naked eye viewing by all people. (45) Dec 21 2012, Nibiru will pass through the ecliptic plane, (46) seen as a bright red star & will look as a 2nd sun around the size of our moon. (47) Earth Quakes (48) & very bad weather will take place.

    Exhibit I: Movies of a tornadoes

    Panel 20. (Nibiru apocalypse)

    (49) The worst however comes about by Feb. 14 2013, (50) Earth moves between Nibiru and the Sun. (51)Pole shifting/planetary tilts takes place! Great earth changes, Huge Mega Earth Quakes & Mega Tsunamis world wide !

    Exhibit J: Movie showing giant waves destroying landmarks.

    Panel 21.  (Nibiru departure)

    (51) Then by July 1, 2014, Nibiru no longer affects our world & moves on and away from our part of the galaxy. (52) NASA knows about Nibiru, (53) & as not to panic the people (54) withholds the truth of this !

    Panel 22. (Nibiru cover up)

    (55) Insiders from NASA, DoD, national military intelligence, S.E.T.I, and the CIA speculate 2/3 of the population of the planet could perish during the coming pole-shift caused by the passage of Nibiru !

    Panel 23. (Nibiru survival)

    (56) Another 2/3 of those that survive initially could pass away to starvation and exposure to the elements within 6 months.

    Panel 24.  (Nibiru cover up II)

    (57) Most every secretive government agency in the USA is fully aware of what is expected and are readying themselves. (58) The Vatican is fully abreast of what is expected. (59) The public is not being warned and given their chance to prepare.

    Panel 25.  (Nibiru cover up III)

    (60)The volume of leaks from insiders, (61)observatories, (62) and the Vatican is bursting the dam of this disclosure wide open. The most important story on earth in over 3000 years is fast breaking loose from being (63) held back by the controllers of the financial markets.

    Panel 26. (Nibiru Cover up IV)

    (64) The controllers put money in higher regard then human life. (66) The public can be given a chance to prepare by being informed. (67) Many areas of earth are now getting minor preview of these events to come.right now.

    Panel 27. (Purpose for message)

    (68) I hope my videos are a cry in the dark to some, and that they wake up to this truth and understanding. (69) To help my fellow human being to start looking with open minds, and see the beauty and wonders everywhere

    Panel 28. (Empowerment and wishing well)

    (69) Knowing is Power, Understanding is wisdom ! ARE YOU READY ?  Peace be with you all always

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    « Reply #1 on: September 25, 2007, 06:21:43 AM »
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  • Very good, Vandaler.  This will be helpful.
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    « Reply #2 on: September 25, 2007, 10:50:42 PM »
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  • Well this is kinda of a turn off but this exercise won't work as well as I hoped.  The reason being that the presentation is more of an explanation then a reasoned argument.  Both do not obey the same rules where logical reasoning is concerned.

    All that can really be done, is evaluate the statements, suppressed statements - Those that are unwritten but implied - and exhibits.

    Since the video involve both science and a set of beliefs, when science is invoked, hard science will be applied, and when beliefs are invoked, Traditional Catholic beliefs should be applied since the analysis resides on this forum.

    This should provide for a relatively unbiased frame of reference.

    I'll start tomorrow and work my way down frame by frame.

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    « Reply #3 on: September 26, 2007, 01:25:55 PM »
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  • Panel 1. (Introduction)

    (1) The following information is about Nibiru

    True.

    (2) and is stated as fact using Astronomical and scientific facts as the ultimate proof.

    This exercise is aimed at measuring the accuracy of this statement. I notice the use of the word ultimate, which is an indication that the author feels strongly about the validity of his presentation.

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    « Reply #4 on: September 26, 2007, 01:40:40 PM »
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  • Panel 2. (Scientific community in the 80's)

    (3) NASA recognized the possibility (in 1982) of an extra - solar planet.

    True, some serious scientists where working on this subject. Chief among them, Bob Harrington from the US Royal Observatory.

    (4) One year later (1983), NASA launched the IRAS (Infrared Astronomical Satellite),

    True

    (5) which located a very large object.

    True in itself, IRAS discovered many new objects

    (6) The Washington Post Summarized an interview with the JPL IRAS scientist.

    The Washington Post reported: "A heavenly body possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to Earth that it would be part of this solar system has been found in the direction of the constellation Orion by an orbiting telescope aboard the U.S. infrared astronomical satellite. So mysterious is the object that astronomers do not know if it is a planet, a giant comet, a nearby 'protostar' that never got hot enough to become a star, a distant galaxy so young that it is still in the process of forming its first stars or a galaxy so shrouded in dust that none of the light cast by its stars ever gets through."


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    « Reply #5 on: September 26, 2007, 01:48:10 PM »
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  • Panel 3. (Discovery)

    (8) A Heavenly body as large as the giant planet Jupiter

    True, as reported in the Washington Post above

    (9) and possibly so close to earth that it would be part of this solar system

    True, as reported in the Washington Post above

    (10) has been found in the direction of the constellation Orion by an orbiting telescope


    True, as reported in the Washington Post above

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    « Reply #6 on: September 26, 2007, 02:40:20 PM »
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  • Exhibit A... Photo of a planet.

    One can only suppose that the picture represents the object reported in the Washington Post.  The peculiar aspect is the copyright 2003 to Andy Lloyd, the author of  Dark Star: The planet X Evidence.

    How does one get to copyright the picture of a planet that is supposedly secretly hidden from us is beyond me.  I will leave that question be. Either way, it represents an acknowledged object.  The picture is not necessary to ascertain that the object exist so this exhibit is not useful.  It's validity need not assessed.

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    « Reply #7 on: September 26, 2007, 03:26:50 PM »
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  • Panel 4. (Nibiru conspiracy)

    (11) "All I can tell you is that we don't know what it is", said Chief IRAS scientist.

    Likely true, it's consistent with the Washington Post article.

    (12-13-14) All Governments know about this, and they're taking bold steps to survive the coming Planet X (Nibiru) flyby, with their powers intact

    Without any explanations, it's assumed that this body is Nibiru.  An hypothetical planet based on the radical translation of Zecharia Sitchin of Sumerian texts.  According to these writings, Nibiru follows a path that brings it back every 3,600 years and it's next passage is very close in time.

    There is no attempt to explain the linkage between the Washington Post article and Nibiru.

    Furthermore, there is an important point to bear in mind.  The belief system of Nibiru implies almost automatically a cover up, since such a large object coming toward us would be detected without any doubt.  So, whether there is a cover up or not, the notion of conspiracy is hardwired in the belief system.  By extension, the notion of leaks that permit to even discuss the matter is also implied in this belief system.

    Because of this, one needs to be particularly keened eye on who is leaking this information, and the quality of the evidence presented. As it turns out, no effort is made to say who might have been leaking this. More on this later.


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    « Reply #8 on: September 26, 2007, 04:10:53 PM »
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  • I'm with you so far.
    +RIP
    Please pray for the repose of her soul.

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  • Panel 5. (Nibiru conspiracy II)

    (15-16-17) They know they cannot save everyone,  just save those they deem worthy of saving. They have a plan, but do you ?  Or will you go quietly into the night because you where left behind ?

    This is likely reasonable given (12-13-14) and could be believed in good faith by someone accepting (12-13-14) but that former point was so poorly introduced and without the slightest attempt at explanation, it does not sit well.

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    « Reply #10 on: September 26, 2007, 07:13:11 PM »
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  • Panel 6. (Possibility of survival)

    (18-19-20) There are simple things that you can set aside today to get you through the difficult years ahead. Regardless of what doom sayers and naysayers tell us, our ancestors have survived similar cataclysms, and so will we !


    This is likely reasonable given (12-13-14-15-16-17) and could be believed in good faith by someone accepting (12-13-14-15-16-17) but we badly need some supporting evidence now.


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  • Panel 7. (What is Nibiru ?)

    (21-22-23-24-25) First Nibiru is one of many Planets that orbit a dark star or (Brown Dwarf). This Dark Star has five minor planets  the sixth an Earth-sized Home world, and the seventh the planet or object we call Nibiru

    We now enter the world of Zacharia Sitchin, It's becoming clear that the first 3 panels where unnecessary, since no attempts at linking the science at the beginning and Nibiru was made.

    Edited: The above planetary system needs to be believed for what it is. No evidence is provided. It's an offshoot of Sitchin actually. The idea that Nibiru circles around a brown dwarf is actually an idea of Andy Lloyd.  (link provided above)

    What we need to do now, is align this belief system with that of Catholics and see if it's even remotely compatible to go forward.

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    « Reply #12 on: September 26, 2007, 07:41:53 PM »
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  • Panel 8. (What is Nibiru ? II)

    (24) The Home world is much like Earth

    Evidence ?

    (27) and is where the Annuki "Giants or Gods of old" live.  

    Annukis according to Sitchin are technologically advanced human-like alien race which would have visited Earth in search of gold particles.  Annukis are also the creators of men according to Sitchin.  (Read Sitchin's link.)

    Giants and Gods of old... what is that ?


    (28) Nibiru is largely inhabitable and acts more as a battle station.


    Ok. Thanks for that.

    Clearly, one cannot be Catholic and give credence to the above.
    Essentially, we jumped out of science into this clearly anti-Christian and blasphemous belief system.  

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    « Reply #13 on: September 26, 2007, 08:21:49 PM »
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  • Exhibit B:  Show an elongated skull.

    We have already established the need for good evidence.  What is that cranium being presented. An Annuki ?  No explanation is provided.

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