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« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2012, 09:30:25 PM »
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  • I find it hard to put a date on the Three Days of Darkness especially for so soon, that would mean the warning would be happening this year. I would think there would have to be the great chastisement first, aka world war III, plagues, famines, etc. But who knows.


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    « Reply #16 on: April 04, 2012, 10:37:55 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ascetik
    I find it hard to put a date on the Three Days of Darkness especially for so soon, that would mean the warning would be happening this year. I would think there would have to be the great chastisement first, aka world war III, plagues, famines, etc. But who knows.


    Didn't the whole idea of a warning come out of Garabandal, which is not approved?
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    Before some audiences not even the possession of the exactest knowledge will make it easy for what we say to produce conviction. For argument based on knowledge implies instruction, and there are people whom one cannot instruct.  - Aristotle


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    « Reply #17 on: April 05, 2012, 10:08:15 AM »
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    Didn't the whole idea of a warning come out of Garabandal, which is not approved?


    No. There are a good number of old prophecies that tell of a warning before the 3DD happens, but they don't specify what exactly it will be, or what year it will happen.
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    « Reply #18 on: April 05, 2012, 10:30:48 AM »
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  • Quote from: Ascetik
    I find it hard to put a date on the Three Days of Darkness especially for so soon, that would mean the warning would be happening this year. I would think there would have to be the great chastisement first, aka world war III, plagues, famines, etc. But who knows.


    I'm open to the possibility of it happening this year. After all, we've got 9 more months to burn before the year's out, and it really doesn't take long at all for famine to set in with the current layout of production and distribution of the food supply. Diseases can now easily spread across the globe with air travel and the dense population in the cities. War can break out in no time at all. So it's possible for all the things we expect to happen to occur in a short period of time.

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    « Reply #19 on: April 05, 2012, 01:12:47 PM »
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  • I believe this timeline is the accurate one, so I do not believe the 3DD of darkness would happen this year. I have been studying Eschatology for about 12 years, and it happening this year just makes no sense when it is studied in unison with other prophecies.

    I go by this timeline:



    I believe we are at the very end of the dotted line at the beginning since we are about to engage upon WWIII.

    You should also read this entire blog post, it is exactly the same position I take and which I have held for years, I just never wrote it down, this guy did, so I was astounded he was on the exact same page as me with regards to all this:

    Catholic Prophecy by The Catholic Knight


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    « Reply #20 on: April 05, 2012, 01:21:26 PM »
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    I find it hard to put a date on the Three Days of Darkness especially for so soon, that would mean the warning would be happening this year. I would think there would have to be the great chastisement first, aka world war III, plagues, famines, etc. But who knows.


    Didn't the whole idea of a warning come out of Garabandal, which is not approved?


    Garbandal is approved from what I gathered. Gregg can tell you all about it, he is an expert in Garabandal.

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    « Reply #21 on: April 05, 2012, 03:09:22 PM »
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    There are a good number of old prophecies that tell of a warning before the 3DD happens, but they don't specify what exactly it will be, or what year it will happen.


    Nifty.  What are these prophecies about the warning?  I've only heard of the Garabandal one.
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    « Reply #22 on: April 06, 2012, 11:00:27 AM »
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    There are a good number of old prophecies that tell of a warning before the 3DD happens, but they don't specify what exactly it will be, or what year it will happen.


    Nifty.  What are these prophecies about the warning?  I've only heard of the Garabandal one.


    They're mostly prophecies given by saints from the middle ages. There might be a few of them in Yves Dupont's book Catholic Prophecy, but I found most of them in other old books and pamphlets. I can't remember the titles, and the books are lost on top of that, but I'll keep em close at hand when I dig em up again and let you know.
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    « Reply #23 on: April 06, 2012, 01:47:48 PM »
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    "I am an archaeologist and the magnetic reversals or pole shifts are recorded. They are recorded in lava flows where the orientation of the north pole was preserved as the lava cooled. The magnetic pole is not at the North Pole and it moves or varies location. I do think this is not sufficent danger involved in this to worry over." Miles Dei


    For a long time now I've looked for a reference that brings together information on the 3 Days of Darkness prophecies, but up 'til now all I've been able to find was bits & pieces. Your post is the best I've seen yet on bringing this information together in one place. Thank you for posting it.

    ...however, your speculations on pole shift, as politely noted by Miles Dei, are incorrect. These ideas rely on a confuson between the Earth's spin axis & its magnetic axis, which are 2 entirely different things.

    I'm a prospector, & I've studied geology, physical geography, & planetary astronomy at the university level.

    The Earth, as we all know, rotates on its spin axis. This is the motion that gives us our day & night. In all of its existence, the Earth's spin axis has never changed, nor can it change, absent a cataclysm that would probably destroy the planet. More of this in a moment. The only exception to this is a process called "precession", which means that every few thousand years the poles of the spin axis describe a small circle with respect to the celestial sphere. Back to the beginning of the planet, precession has always been a constant, not an intermittent variable; & there are no disturbances of nature or cataclysms that have ever been associated with it.

    In addition, the Earth has magnetic poles which are located several hundred miles away from the poles of its spin axis. Like the poles of the spin axis, the magnetic poles "wander" a little bit, but their wanderings aren't as rigidly controlled as precession is. In fact they appear to be random, or nearly so. In addition to wandering, there is evidence from volcanic lava flows-- again as pointed out by Miles Dei-- that at widely separated periods of time the magnetic poles have flipped, the North magnetic pole become the South & vice versa. Scientists know of no negative consequences of this magnetic flipping, nor does present scientific theory provide for any. The only logical outcome would be that your compass needle points South instead of North.

    Returning for a moment to the idea of the Earth changing its direction of rotation on its spin axis, there is just 1 possible event that could produce this result. That's the close passage to the Earth of a very massive object of at least planetary size-- possibly a stellar core fragment. The gravity of such an object, in theory, might reverse the rotation of the Earth, but in doing so it would perturb the Moon out of its orbit, ocean tides would be hundreds of feet high, mountains & continents on the Earth would shift, there would be earthquakes the strength of which would put all others in the shade, the atmosphere might be attenuated, & the Earth might very well be perturbed out of its present orbit around the Sun. In short, doomsday. It is very unlikely that life on Earth would survive such an event. Not just human life, but any life.

    I'm aware that some commentators, in confusing the Earth's spin axis with its magnetic axis, have created websites that cater to the idea that since the Earth's magnetic axis is known to reverse itself from time to time, this has some sort of consequence for its spin axis. That view, as I hope I've made clear, is incorrect.

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    « Reply #24 on: April 06, 2012, 02:00:17 PM »
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  • "Garbandal is approved from what I gathered. Gregg can tell you all about it, he is an expert in Garabandal."

    Garabandal has not been approved by the Vatican. However, the Vatican has canonized St. Pio of Petrelcina, & St. Pio said that the BV explicitly told him in a vision that the Apparitions of Garabandal were authentic. This is not a situation in which the private judgemnent of a saint comes into play & the saint can err, because St. Pio said he was told this specifically by the BV. He therefore entered into correspondence with Conchita of Garabandal, he sent people there, he met privately with her at his monastery in Italy, & he bequeathed her 1 of the 3 veils that covered his face in death. She still has it. If St. Pio deserved to be canonized-- & he did-- then Garabandal is authentic, irrespective of the fact that the Church has never approved it.

    The Vatican will never approve the Apparitions of Garabandal because Garabandal was explicitly skeptical of the 2d Vatican Council. "That depends on how the Council turns out," "Many priests are on the road to perdition, & they take many souls with them," & so forth.

    Much more on this subject in my thread, "End Times Prophecy" in the "Crisis in the Church" forum.

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    « Reply #25 on: April 06, 2012, 02:21:09 PM »
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  • BTW, I neglected to mention the example of an electric motor, that when you reverse its polarity it reverses its direction of rotation. This is perfectly true, but it doesn't apply to the Earth. An electric motor is driven by its electric current, but the rotation of the Earth is in no sense driven by its magnetic field. The rotation of the Earth is the result of the conservation of the angular momentum of the primordial nebula of gas & particles out of which it oridinally condensed. As the gas & particles were compacted by gravity, their angular momentum was conserved in the physical structure of the Earth, which maintains its spin by momentum-- & not in any sense by its magnetic field. Proof of this can be found in the other planets, every 1 of which rotates, but many of which-- like the Moon & Mars-- have no detectable magnetic fields.

    It can be very misleading to perform research on this & other subjects-- including the 3 Days of Darkness-- relying primarily on the InterNet. This is because a lot of misleading information relating to pole-flipping, for example, has been posted. Also, many spurious quotes have been attributed to St. Pio & others. This is why, in verifying his statement that the BV told him about the Apparitions of Garabandal, I wrote to his monastery, to the priest who delivered his death veil to Conchita, & to others with 1st-hand knowledge of the facts.

    It is a deeply troubling fact that some of these spurious quotes have begun making their way into works that are published in hard copy. I recently got in trouble for this on another site, where I posted a quote attributed to St. Ignatius of Antioch that I got out of my personal library-- not off the InterNet. When I was challenged I checked the attribution & found that it wasn't listed in the index of attributions, so I checked my copy of the Letters of St. Ignatius & couldn't find it; so I went on-line & found that in addition to Ignatius of Antioch, it has also been attributed to St. Irenaeus of Lyons & St. Ignatius of Loyala-- but no one could provide an authentic attribution for any of them. I had to admit defeat, which happens to me rarely.


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    « Reply #26 on: April 07, 2012, 07:31:27 AM »
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  • Quote from: Graehame
    "Garbandal is approved from what I gathered. Gregg can tell you all about it, he is an expert in Garabandal."

    Garabandal has not been approved by the Vatican. However, the Vatican has canonized St. Pio of Petrelcina, & St. Pio said that the BV explicitly told him in a vision that the Apparitions of Garabandal were authentic. This is not a situation in which the private judgemnent of a saint comes into play & the saint can err, because St. Pio said he was told this specifically by the BV. He therefore entered into correspondence with Conchita of Garabandal, he sent people there, he met privately with her at his monastery in Italy, & he bequeathed her 1 of the 3 veils that covered his face in death. She still has it. If St. Pio deserved to be canonized-- & he did-- then Garabandal is authentic, irrespective of the fact that the Church has never approved it.

    The Vatican will never approve the Apparitions of Garabandal because Garabandal was explicitly skeptical of the 2d Vatican Council. "That depends on how the Council turns out," "Many priests are on the road to perdition, & they take many souls with them," & so forth.

    Much more on this subject in my thread, "End Times Prophecy" in the "Crisis in the Church" forum.


    Graehame,

     What's your source(s) in re to St. Pio's view on Garabandal?   Numerous sites state pro and con on this. I don't know which to believe.

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    « Reply #27 on: April 07, 2012, 11:42:58 AM »
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  • I never said it was approved by the Vatican, I am pretty sure it is approved by the local bishop. Gregg is the person to talk to on this, he knows pretty much everything there is to know on Garabandal. If you search Fisheaters, there is a really long thread about Garabandal on there where he goes into explicit detail why it is a legitimate apparition of Our Lady.

    Regardless of Garabandal or not, I sincerely and highly doubt the 3DD will take place this year.

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    « Reply #28 on: April 08, 2012, 12:23:01 AM »
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  • Quote from: chaz89
    Graehame, What's your source(s) in re to St. Pio's view on Garabandal?  Numerous sites state pro and con on this. I don't know which to believe.


    The 1st thing you need to understand about Padre Pio is that he would never speak on such a matter before the Church did. I never met him, but I've spoken to several who did, & they all speak of his great humility. So I have no published statement of his favorable to Garabandal.

    Padre Pio sent a letter to the visionaries of Garabandal, but the letter was unsigned-- so I don't even have that. But his handwriting was recognized by someone who was present in Garabandal at the time, Felix Lopez (who later became the schoolteacher in Garabandal)-- surely a nearly miraculous coincidence. Lopez translated the letter from Italian to Spanish & then helped the visionaries write a reply, which led to a later verified visit of Conchita Gonzalez, the oldest of the visionaries, to Padre Pio at his monastery of San Giovanni Rotundo in Italy.

    As I mentioned previously, I wrote to the monastery & was able to verify this visit.

    Also, my mother was active in the mid-to-late '60s starting a Garabandal center in S. Michigan. As part of this project she entered into correspondence with Joey Lomangino, who'd been adopted by Padre Pio as one of his "spiritual children" during a visit to Italy. Joey Lomangino told her that when he asked Padre Pio about what was happening at Garabandal, Padre Pio told him to go see for himself. Only later, after Joey Lomangino had returned from Garabandal. did Padre Pio tell him about the visions in which the BV had told him the apparitions were genuine.

    I wrote to one of the 2 priests who were involved in delivering the veil that covered Padre Pio's face in death to Conchita, but I received no reply. However, thru a fortuitous coincidence it turned out that I knew someone who knew someone who knew Conchita after she'd moved to New York, & by this means I was able to get a question to her about the veil. I was informed that she still had it in her possession as of a couple of years ago.

    So you see, I really have nothing. Since Padre Pio wouldn't speak publicly about this before the Church had spoken, there are no published references in hard copy, so people can say whatever they like & it all comes down to he-said-she-said. The only testimony consists of private words & actions, & the only way to get at them is to be able to find someone who actually knew Padre Pio. I didn't, but I was fortunate in that regard in being able to reach a couple of people who did.

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    « Reply #29 on: April 08, 2012, 12:25:17 AM »
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  • Quote from: Ascetik
    "I never said it was approved by the Vatican, I am pretty sure it is approved by the local bishop."


    You may be right about that. I seem to recall something along those lines.

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    "Regardless of Garabandal or not, I sincerely and highly doubt the 3DD will take place this year."


    Totally agree. I think we're close, though. Say 5-10 years.