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Offline Mark 79

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« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2024, 11:14:09 AM »
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  • …or immediately drop to my knees.….

    Then again… maybe I will drop to my knees. :-)





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    Re: An AR15 is …
    « Reply #16 on: May 08, 2024, 01:18:37 PM »
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  • I'll have to agree there.  I have a brother who has quite the arsenal, but when TSHTF, it'll probably do very little good.  Would definitely buy some time, and could ward off the looters in the beginning.  I think some people have fantasies about holding off the ATF by themselves ... or repelling a zombie hoard during the zombie apocalypse.

    I prefer this for home defense.  Massive stopping power, semi-automatic, and short-barreled for use in close quarters situations.  I don't see much of a need for sniper rifles or AR-15s (which are better at distance).  They took advantage of a couple technicalities in the way gun laws are worded to make this legal.  You can also get the drum magazines for this that hold a lot of ammo.



    I actually think that the Ar-15 is the best overall home defense gun. Assuming this is a 7.62(308) based on the mag, AR-15 5.56mm are less expensive, easier to shoot (especially for kids/women), bullets are  cheaper and slightly more plentiful. You can still shoot out to 500yards with simple sights. As far as the size, you can configure the Ar-15 even smaller than this and still be able to shoot in CQB situation. You can also get an Ar-15 in 9mm, .40, .45, and other small caliber rounds to complement your sidearm, which means you only need only one ammo type.


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    Re: An AR15 is …
    « Reply #17 on: May 08, 2024, 01:50:35 PM »
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  • Then again… maybe I will drop to my knees. :-)



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    Re: An AR15 is …
    « Reply #18 on: May 09, 2024, 12:15:10 AM »
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  • I actually think that the Ar-15 is the best overall home defense gun. Assuming this is a 7.62(308) based on the mag, AR-15 5.56mm are less expensive, easier to shoot (especially for kids/women), bullets are  cheaper and slightly more plentiful. You can still shoot out to 500yards with simple sights. As far as the size, you can configure the Ar-15 even smaller than this and still be able to shoot in CQB situation. You can also get an Ar-15 in 9mm, .40, .45, and other small caliber rounds to complement your sidearm, which means you only need only one ammo type.
    Far be it from me to have opinions [as if!]… BUT… I think you are right about the AR15 being the better choice over the AK platforms. Current ammunition pricing and availability is only one of several reasons. In the US, AR parts and upgrades are ubiquitous; AK parts and upgrades are not. The AR is far more modular than the AK. The AR is far more suited to modern optics (e.g., LPVOs and RDSs).

    That said, I am a naysayer about the PCC (Pistol Caliber Carbine) fad. To be candid, I think PCCs are bullshit. The argument offered in support is the one you mention, "one cartridge,"  but who cares??? Basically a PCC is a $1500 7-pound GLOCK. What thinking man wants to spend three times the money and carry three times the weight of a tool that pretty much performs the same??? Sure you get a modest increase in velocity due to a longer barrel, but the increased velocity gives you only a marginal increase in useful range and so does not make your PCC into a DMR. Also, pistol caliber projectiles are optimized for terminal ballistics at pistol velocities, not carbine velocities. A PCC cannot defeat even soft body armor. A rifle caliber carbine defeats all soft body armor.

    If you want a carbine, buy one — in a rifle caliber — and, yes, hoard two cartridge types.

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    Re: An AR15 is …
    « Reply #19 on: May 09, 2024, 12:21:56 AM »
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  • To perseverate on "muh guns"…


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    RFK Warns That The WHO Is On The Verge Of Passing Its Pandemic Treaty
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2024-05-08/rfk-warns-who-verge-passing-its-pandemic-treaty

    Independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has largely spent the last few months shattering the hope that he presents a viable alternative to the current political establishment. From selecting big tech starlet Nicole Shanahan as his running mate to his utter sycophancy for the state of Israel, it has become clear the premise that an RFK presidency would be paradigm-shifting is nothing short of illusory. Yet, he has remained steadfast in the sole facet of his platform which does challenge the existing order. RFK's unfettered opposition to the medical technocracy behind the COVID-19 plandemic and the consequent large-scale human experiment that was the development and distribution of Pfizer and Moderna's mRNA vaccines stands as the only thing somewhat distinguishing him from his opponents in the 2024 election. While Biden and Trump have taken to the campaign trail boasting about how their support for those vaccines helped each of them beat the pandemic, RFK is singing a completely different tune by warning voters of the forthcoming WHO pandemic treaty. If passed, the treaty would put Americans under the yoke of medical tyranny in a manner much more oppressive than in 2020. …

    Given the absurdity of the dystopian nightmare that the treaty is, it's been thrust into the realm of disbelief. So much so that Reuters itself even had to fact-check the claims circulating that the WHO abandoned its efforts to pass the treaty which is ironic considering its [own] fact-checkers stated that the WHO was planning no such treaty less than 2 years ago. The idea that a treaty like that being pursued by the WHO which supersedes national sovereignty in determining a pandemic response effort sounds like something liberal NPCs would label as a conspiratorial fever dream that would wake Alex Jones up in a cold sweat in the middle of the night. However, like much of what Jones had forewarned of going into and in the early days of 2020, the globalist takeover that the WHO pandemic treaty represents is very real.


    According to Fadéla Chaib, the WHO is set to complete the latest draft of its pandemic treaty by May 10th. That deadline marks the conclusion of its 9th session to complete its arduous mission to do so. If passed, the treaty would revise the existing International Health Regulations that the WHO's 194 member states have already adopted. According to the draft of the treaty most recently made available on April 22nd, the new IHR would give the WHO authority to direct and coordinate the pandemic response measures of nations across the globe signatory to it. If the WHO achieves its aims then the treaty would be adopted by the end of the month by the World Health Assembly, the WHO's governing body.


    Changes to the existing IHR have belabored efforts to pass the pandemic treaty over the years. Over the last few years several proposed IHR changes have been dropped from the current draft of the treaty. Previous editions of the treaty included giving the WHO power to issue binding directives, disregard considerations for humans rights, act on the basis of a potential health emergency, impose digital vaccine passports, and conduct mass censorship to fight what they deem to be misinformation. …



    The resistance to those totalitarian measures highlights the tyrannical power the treaty would vest in the WHO. That is clearly demonstrated in text remaining in the proposed treaty which qualifies the WHO as “the directing and coordinating authority on international health work, including on pandemic prevention, preparedness and response”. Although some of the most egregious of those IHR changes have been nullified, many existing changes still pose a similar threat.


    IHR changes that remain in the treaty include giving the WHO Director General sole power to declare a pandemic emergency across member states, early intervention to preempt pandemics from occurring, increased surveillance to monitor emerging pathogens, and efforts to increase censorship similar to those which were removed from previous drafts of the treaty, The US would also be required to relinquish 20% of its medical supplies to the WHO for global distribution. That facet of the treaty is emblematic of its stated goal to redistribute resources from richer nations to aid poorer ones. Much like many of the Biden administration's other policies, its adoption would put non-citizens ahead of Americans. Given the US' membership to the WHO, the implementation of the treaty would not even require the Biden administration to involve congress to make the country subservient to its parameters.



    The latest attempt to pass the WHO pandemic treaty coinciding with the 2024 Presidential Election adds an increased sense of urgency given that the re-election of Donald Trump poses the risk that the US would not be signatory to future attempts to ratify it. While former president Donald J. Trump had been vehement in his opposition to the WHO's authority over US public health responsiveness, going as far to call to defund it and have the USA withdraw from the UN's global health body, any opposition to the forthcoming pandemic treaty will carry little weight as its ratification is set to come during the time President Biden is still in office. Support for the treaty is one of a litany of issues Biden is diametrically opposed to both Trump and RFK on. Yet despite the fact that signing the treaty would damage the existing US healthcare infrastructure, the fear-mongering of another pandemic is enough for Biden to reawaken the mass formation psychosis from 2020 onward that led to millions of Americans being willing to sacrifice their personal autonomy for a false sense of security. The WHO treaty sacrifices that national autonomy in turn.



    The political vehicle ceding authority to the WHO creates a framework to amplify the authoritarian framework previously executed during 2020. Like Event 201 which served as a portent for the COVID-19 pandemic, the WHO itself has already ominously foreshadowing a forthcoming iteration of another globalist takeover by forewarning the world of the dangers of Disease X in an effort to conjure support for its enhanced authority over nations' public health responses. Those undertones propelling the WHO pandemic treaty come at a time where the most recent novel respiratory virus that is the H5N1 avian flu has spread to its first human host having infected a Texas dairy worker.


    The confluence of those events demonstrates that the short memories of opponents to the response to COVID-19 in 2020 have allowed the globalist technocracy they so fervently opposed to reconfigure the weapons at their disposal to be more adept at imposing their tyranny if another next episodic plandemic is determined to be the most advantageous means for them to do so. Like 2020 before it, the presidential election in November of 2024 is being framed as a watershed moment between the clashing interests of nationalism versus globalism. If the WHO get its wish and see its pandemic treaty passed, the same tactics used by globalists to circuмvent national sovereignty by creating the social conditions to use a public health crisis to manipulate an election could be deployed once again. Given how little has changed since 2020 in reining in that power, history is poised to repeat itself just 4 short years later.



    I argue that this is one of countless reasons to have plenty of "muh guns" and "muh ammo" and to know how, when, and upon whom to use them. 'nuff said.





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    Re: An AR15 is …
    « Reply #20 on: May 09, 2024, 06:15:03 AM »
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  • I actually think that the Ar-15 is the best overall home defense gun. Assuming this is a 7.62(308) based on the mag, AR-15 5.56mm are less expensive, easier to shoot (especially for kids/women), bullets are  cheaper and slightly more plentiful. You can still shoot out to 500yards with simple sights. As far as the size, you can configure the Ar-15 even smaller than this and still be able to shoot in CQB situation. You can also get an Ar-15 in 9mm, .40, .45, and other small caliber rounds to complement your sidearm, which means you only need only one ammo type.

    Probably depends on the scenario you envision.  I've seen experts compare the two online, but the drawbacks of shotguns listed are offset by the semi-auto Komrad, with the 20-round drum magazine, and right type of rounds (something like Hornady Critical Defense).  I envision a tense scenario of a home invasion rather than people attacking your home from outside.  I imagine that I would be under stress and pressure where I'd be unlikely to get into a shoulder-fire position but would be shooting from the side/hip ... and the shotgun is more forgiving in terms of accuracy of shot (which I'd likely need under pressure in a fast-moving situation).  Yes, ammo is more expensive, but again I'm not talking about warding off the ATF but about home invadors.  You're talking about shooting 500 yards ... which is not the type of home defense situation I had in mind.  Drawback of the AR would be that it would be less forgiving of inaccuracy and louder (possibly causing disorientation in the shooter when fired indoors), but that could be offset by some kind of noise suppressor.

    Yes, if I envision a crowd coming to attack my home, I'd likely rather use an AR (or, I have a relative who's modified one and an Uzi to full-auto), but I'm talking more about a few home invadors types getting into your home.

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    Re: An AR15 is …
    « Reply #21 on: May 09, 2024, 06:18:30 AM »
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  • Far be it from me to have opinions [as if!]… BUT… I think you are right about the AR15 being the better choice over the AK platforms. Current ammunition pricing and availability is only one of several reasons. In the US, AR parts and upgrades are ubiquitous; AK parts and upgrades are not. The AR is far more modular than the AK. The AR is far more suited to modern optics (e.g., LPVOs and RDSs).

    Well, the Komrad, while using the AK firing mechanism is based on the Saiga, and the parts / accessories of Saiga will work with the Komrad.  As I said, in terms of its usefuless, probably depends on the scenario you're envisioning.  It's why there are so many different types of firearms, due to the pro/con tradeoff depending on the scenario.  It's why this relative of mine has so many different types (long-range sniper stuff, mid-range, close range, various types of ammo, bigger or more compact, etc.)

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    Re: An AR15 is …
    « Reply #22 on: May 09, 2024, 08:49:06 AM »
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  • ...I probably have more of an arsenal than you. ...

    Doubtful.


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    Re: An AR15 is …
    « Reply #23 on: May 09, 2024, 09:44:19 AM »
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  • Probably depends on the scenario you envision.  I've seen experts compare the two online, but the drawbacks of shotguns listed are offset by the semi-auto Komrad, with the 20-round drum magazine, and right type of rounds (something like Hornady Critical Defense).  I envision a tense scenario of a home invasion rather than people attacking your home from outside.  I imagine that I would be under stress and pressure where I'd be unlikely to get into a shoulder-fire position but would be shooting from the side/hip ... and the shotgun is more forgiving in terms of accuracy of shot (which I'd likely need under pressure in a fast-moving situation).  Yes, ammo is more expensive, but again I'm not talking about warding off the ATF but about home invadors.  You're talking about shooting 500 yards ... which is not the type of home defense situation I had in mind.  Drawback of the AR would be that it would be less forgiving of inaccuracy and louder (possibly causing disorientation in the shooter when fired indoors), but that could be offset by some kind of noise suppressor.

    Yes, if I envision a crowd coming to attack my home, I'd likely rather use an AR (or, I have a relative who's modified one and an Uzi to full-auto), but I'm talking more about a few home invadors types getting into your home.

    May I congratulate you on your recommendation of Hornady Critical Defense buckshot?

    If I dare offer advice [laughing]… only in the rarest of situations should one employ firing from the hip.  Even at across-the-room distances it is easy to miss with a shotgun.  At room distances a shot column has widened at most to a few inches. At any distance a slug remains its bore diameter (until it hits bone or an engine block!). I think it is valuable to prove this to oneself.  Set up IPSC silhouette targets about 3 feet apart then stand about 3-7 feet away, then—using a shot timer— fire from the hip as fast as you can while trying to get "A-zone" hits—first with slugs, then try it with buckshot.  Then do the same stages with aimed fire. Compare the putative lethality of your hits and the times necessary to get those hits.

    Even after suffering non-central nervous system (brain/spinal cord) hits, an attacker can still kill you before he/she/it dies.

    Having done such stages in practice and in over 30 years of competition, I conclude this: The only circuмstances in which firing from the hip is justifiable are (1) when you have less than ½ sec against an armed attacker and only in transitioning to aimed fire and (2) playing at the range to prove the relative ineffectuality of firing from the hip. At room distances shotguns (and full auto!) are only marginally less "forgiving" of inaccuracy. If you are "clearing" your home, you should be at "high ready" stance. From "high ready," aimed fire can be accomplished in ½ second, so "Spray and pray" is a desperate and self-defeating measure. Seriously, try the drill and you too will be a believer in aimed fire.

    To convert anti-gunners (usually anti-gun journalists) who smugly bray about how one "can't miss" with a shotgun, our activists have hosted anti-gunners to a range day that includes skeet shooting and the drill I described.


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    Re: An AR15 is …
    « Reply #24 on: May 09, 2024, 09:55:39 AM »
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  • Well, the Komrad, while using the AK firing mechanism is based on the Saiga, and the parts / accessories of Saiga will work with the Komrad.  As I said, in terms of its usefuless, probably depends on the scenario you're envisioning.  It's why there are so many different types of firearms, due to the pro/con tradeoff depending on the scenario.  It's why this relative of mine has so many different types (long-range sniper stuff, mid-range, close range, various types of ammo, bigger or more compact, etc.)

    Yes, a fortiori the parts issue is amplified with the Komrad.

    As you say, arm yourself according to the "mission."

    You should move in with your relative. :cowboy:

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    Re: An AR15 is …
    « Reply #25 on: May 09, 2024, 10:04:08 AM »
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  • Even after suffering non-central nervous system (brain/spinal cord) hits, an attacker can still kill you before he/she/it dies.

    And this is why I just roll my eyes at this business of "less-lethal" means of defense, such as the Byrna (essentially a mace canister), which Sean Hannity repeatedly pronounces as "Burner" even when there is no vowel in the following word (must be a Long Island thing or something).  If someone is higher than the proverbial Georgia pine, and is intent upon killing or overpowering you, they just have to die.  Sad truth, when things get to that point, they have forfeited their right to live.


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    « Reply #26 on: May 09, 2024, 10:07:34 AM »
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  • And this is why I just roll my eyes at this business of "less-lethal" means of defense, such as the Byrna (essentially a mace canister), which Sean Hannity repeatedly pronounces as "Burner" even when there is no vowel in the following word (must be a Long Island thing or something).  If someone is higher than the proverbial Georgia pine, and is intent upon killing or overpowering you, they just have to die.  Sad truth, when things get to that point, they have forfeited their right to live.
    Agree 100%. File "less lethal" with are the rest of the "warning shot" and "shoot to wound" bullshit.

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    « Reply #27 on: May 09, 2024, 10:59:08 PM »
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  • An AR-15 is...


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    « Reply #29 on: May 10, 2024, 09:24:46 AM »
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  • Agree 100%. File "less lethal" with are the rest of the "warning shot" and "shoot to wound" bullshit.
    I know you know this, but here's how it works.  A dead person cannot hurt you anymore.  A person who is not dead can hurt you.  Your "shoot to wound" may just graze him.  People on substances, or even a psychotic or just someone who is very, very determined to do you harm, isn't necessarily going to be stopped by a flesh wound or even a non-lethal shot somewhere in their torso.  And in a home invasion situation, you don't have the luxury of being able to say "oh, they haven't come here to kill me, they just want to take my stuff, or terrorize me, or what have you, so it's okay, I'll let them live".

    I once asked an anti-gun person, "if someone comes to your home in the dead of night, and gains entry with harmful intent, even unto killing you, do you just say to yourself that this is your time to die?", and they said "yes".

    What a way to live.  Yet in countries where you cannot keep arms to defend yourself, that's precisely how everyone lives.  No thank you.

    I would hope that in the Social Reign of Christ the King, people would have this right, for even then, not all people would be good people.