someone's instrument for "delusions of grandeur" holding off absolutely no one when the satanic powers just starve you out of your 50 acre property. 

(I do enjoy guns/shooting btw, but the whole "muh guns" thing is starting to get somewhat cringe to me). 

someone's instrument for "delusions of grandeur" holding off absolutely no one when the satanic powers just starve you out of your 50 acre property.

(I do enjoy guns/shooting btw, but the whole "muh guns" thing is starting to get somewhat cringe to me).

I'll have to agree there.  I have a brother who has quite the arsenal, but when TSHTF, it'll probably do very little good.  Would definitely buy some time, and could ward off the looters in the beginning.  I think some people have fantasies about holding off the ATF by themselves ... or repelling a zombie hoard during the zombie apocalypse.

I prefer this for home defense.  Massive stopping power, semi-automatic, and short-barreled for use in close quarters situations.  I don't see much of a need for sniper rifles or AR-15s (which are better at distance).  They took advantage of a couple technicalities in the way gun laws are worded to make this legal.  You can also get the drum magazines for this that hold a lot of ammo.

I will. And to be honest, I probably have more of an arsenal than you. It's also good to know how to physically fight. A lot of the "muh gun" guys I know are of the... slothful type.

Do you fight in your Everlast Boxing shorts?

For me the issue is "muh family." You know… my Catholic duty to do my best even when my best may fail.

On a side note, though related, I think it's a mistake to stock up on cash, gold, etc.  When they tank the food supply, those will have little value.  You can't eat gold, and a loaf of bread will be worth more.  Plus the government can (and has) outlawed gold, whereas the cash will probably become worthless.  If anything, I would stock supplies.  If there will be anything resembling a currency after TSHTF, it might just be cigarettes.  They're pretty compact, have long shelf life, and you'd probably be able to trade them for stuff of much higher intrinsic value when they become hard to acquire.  Of course, the government could try to seize your supplies too, so there may be some creative ways to hide them, but at that point there's no harm in having tried, just in case.

I didn't mean to come off as saying gun bros don't wan't to defend their family. You'll have to forgive me. The best way to defend your family is to teach/show them the faith and be a witness to Christ in this world. I see a lot of (not all) hobbit mentality. It's hurting traditional Catholics in the long run.

It's a "both-and", not an "either-or".

I cannot imagine living in a country where you are denied the means to defend yourself, your home, and your family by any means at your disposal.  Sadly, that includes all other countries besides the US, and sometimes even certain gun-hating states within the US such as California and Massachusetts.  This is one thing the US gets right.

On a side note, though related, I think it's a mistake to stock up on cash, gold, etc.  When they tank the food supply, those will have little value.  You can't eat gold, and a loaf of bread will be worth more.  Plus the government can (and has) outlawed gold, whereas the cash will probably become worthless.  If anything, I would stock supplies.  If there will be anything resembling a currency after TSHTF, it might just be cigarettes.  They're pretty compact, have long shelf life, and you'd probably be able to trade them for stuff of much higher intrinsic value when they become hard to acquire.  Of course, the government could try to seize your supplies too, so there may be some creative ways to hide them, but at that point there's no harm in having tried, just in case.

 I argue that it is only a "mistake" to stock up solely on cash/gold. Because my late father-in-law stocked up also on gold, my wife was able to use some of his stored gold to flee her homeland after crawling under barbed wire to escape a Communist prison camp.