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Re: A Catholic model of social order
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2025, 06:40:40 PM »
There's a great Traditional Catholic book written about this same topic titled "The Framework of a Christian State" by Rev. E. Cahill. Imprimatur 1932. I have a hardcover copy. I strongly recommend seeking it out.

Re: A Catholic model of social order
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2025, 08:03:30 AM »
There's a great Traditional Catholic book written about this same topic titled "The Framework of a Christian State" by Rev. E. Cahill. Imprimatur 1932. I have a hardcover copy. I strongly recommend seeking it out.
I have it on my shelf.  Great book!


Re: A Catholic model of social order
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2025, 09:28:11 AM »
It's interesting for some people. Just understand that not all catholics have the same personality, abilities, or inclinations. The model isn't as interesting to someone with intellectual inclinations and interested in things like maths, computer science, etc.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say.  No model appeals to everyone.  If you are saying this model doesn't appeal to people of intelligence then I have to disagree with you.  Intelligence is one thing but the use of it is quite another.  There are intelligent people in every field of study and the most intelligent people have a broad knowledge of every subject.  This model, which is based on a traditional social order, would take intelligence and use it for the proper end.  Not to put people on the moon but to put people in heaven.  

Re: A Catholic model of social order
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2025, 09:30:54 AM »
Interesting.  Why we can not get along  the root is not believing in The Incarnation.  Christ gave us the model.

I was interested in my roots.  My family from Bavaria.  They left in 1847. I wanted to know how they lived and why they picked up their roots.  I did google all my words and found an interesting article.  You think I could find it again, nope.  But in Bavaria most of the land was Catholic.  The people were like hired hands and all took care of growing what was needed.  they were self sufficient. They did not pay anyone for taxes. They simply took care of themselves.

Then the gov't, VIPs thought, hey, they don't pay taxes and oh, they are catholic, they are ignorant. They are not be as productive as they should be.  Gradually the gov't got to the top of govern.  They took the land and however.  Industrialization came in.  The Catholic Germans did not want to work next to a Protestant. Then we have the anti-clerical laws. Catholics soon had no church, no schools, no priest to give sacraments.  Catholics were hated, ridiculed and you name it!

So, my family, stopped having children in 1842, and saved what they could, however that was, and left Bremahaven port in 1847, Mast ships known as Floating hells. In Pennsylvania and a year later had a child, 1848. Friends were there and in Ohio.  by 1850 they were in Logansport, IN.

See how they got along!  They suffered because: If Christ was hated, so will we.  So, no matter how you stack things up, it is the same for now.
Good post.  Thanks for sharing.  If I may add, the time period you speak of was one of the first communist revolutions.  It was lead by enemies of the Church for the specific purpose of removing Catholics from the land.  Our enemies know just how important that is in their plans to destroy the Church.  

Re: A Catholic model of social order
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2025, 01:53:40 PM »
The Founding Papers of the Catholic Land Movement
With an introduction by Dr. Tobias Lanz
Original preface by Hilaire Belloc
153 pages
IHS Press
(757) 423-0324
Reviewed by Dr. Peter Chojnowski
"So long as the legislative machine is controlled by and composed of the monopolists, all effort at restoring healthy economic life will fail."
The sobering quote above is from Hilaire Belloc's preface to Flee to Fields: The Founding Papers of the Catholic Land Movement, a collection of 10 thought-provoking essays by the leading lights of the movement, first published during the Great Depression and now re-issued by IHS Press. The new edition features an introduction by Dr. Tobias Lanz, and is thoroughly footnoted and richly enhanced with classic photos and illustrations.
The primary goal of the Catholic Land Movement was to provide skills, education, and, in the best conditions, financial aid to those families who were committed to an integrally Catholic life and who would produce food and primary goods - within a community grounded in faith - for their own sustenance. And it is with words of warning that Belloc prefaces this introduction to the Movement - an enthusiastic and unequivocal Agrarian manifesto. He offers a realistic assessment of the entire "Back to the Land" movement, and speaks to the paradoxes and unresolved tensions that pervade this compilation of essays. Belloc also points out that a reinvigoration of society - the logical fruit of any return to the most common form of life and occupation - can only be realized if the power of the State is dedicated to the common good, rather than the private good (read "bottom line") of those who finance the rulers of the State. Here Belloc draws attention to a point that evades most contemporary, even "conservative," political thinkers. The problem with our own times, and with the countries most of us live in, is that the State has been handed over to private interests. It is, therefore, counter-intuitive to believe that those who have access to the halls of political power will ever countenance a situation in which their monopoly on the resources of the nation is jeopardized. Belloc's words echo those of Arthur Penty, who stated that for a family to embrace farm life without price regulation and control on the part of the government would be tantamount to economic ѕυιcιdє.
In his introduction, Lanz compares the Catholic Land Movement to the American Southern Agrarians of the first half of the 20th century. Whereas Fr. John McQuillan - in his essay on the origins of the movement - points out that it began with the full support (moral, if not financial) of the British Catholic hierarchy in Glasgow, Scotland in 1929. The Scottish Catholic Land Association, soon complimented by similar associations in the Mid-lands and the North and South of England, opened a training center in 1931 for young men who wished to learn farming and to ultimately settle on the land. Fr. McQuillan became the parish priest of the surrounding district.
By 1934, the year of Flee to the Fields was first issued, significant numbers of young men, adopted by the respective Catholic Land Associations, were fully trained in every branch of farming. Some obtained their own family farms, while others became managers of farms. In addition to detailed descriptions of the British Catholic Land Movement and the support it received from popes, cardinals, and intellectuals, Flee to the Fields presents a theoretical defense of the "Back to the Land" movement that, in addition to Belloc, had such prestigious backers as G. K Chesterton and Fr.Vincent McNabb.


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