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Offline Yeti

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Re: A Catholic model of social order
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2025, 01:25:15 PM »
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Offline Pax24

Re: A Catholic model of social order
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2025, 01:27:49 PM »
Quote from: Yeti on October 18, 2025, 12:56:42 PM
Traditional Catholics are much too small a percentage of the population for this to be practical.

A much better plan to do something kind of similar is to try to build up your local chapel. Help out with training altar boys, volunteer in the choir, try to organize clubs and devotions and home school co-ops. Work with the priest on these things.Try to get others involved.

That is going to provide the same sort of social support as the society you are envisioning, and it is easier because everyone is already there at the chapel and already believes in the same things as you, and already has a job so you don't need to worry about what people will do for a living once they get to your ideal village. It has most of the benefits and hardly any of the downsides of your plan. And if you can't get people at your chapel to join a sodality or serve Mass or get together for a reading club, then how on earth do you think you are going to convince them to move to the middle of nowhere and join your village?
I will reiterate.  This is not meant to be something people create out of thin air.  It's a discussion piece and nothing more.  I'm in no way advocating that people move and start something like this with people they don't know.  That is simply a recipe for disaster.  I am also not in any way encouraging people to contact me to start something like this.  Taking the model and discussing it with people you know is far more productive.  It's not a solution, it's simply a visualization of something closer to a proper social order. 
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Offline Pax24

Re: A Catholic model of social order
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2025, 01:30:24 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on October 18, 2025, 01:05:22 PM
I like the concept, as I've proposed this before, where there's so much waste in the typical suburban model.  Everybody on my street has a lawn mower that sits in the garage for all but 1-2 hours per week on average ... why can't you have a central barn/storage area where people could borrow it from and take it back (signing up on a schedule)?

I just think that the picture of a cathedral in the middle of 5 houses simply does not scale.  You simply can't support the cost, both building cost and maintenance cost of such a thing without much more population around it.

Perhaps if you put a bunch of those plots in a flower-petal design around the central church, then you might be talking.
Pointing out the inefficiency of modern life is a big point I am trying to make.  Thumbs up!
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Offline Drolo

Re: A Catholic model of social order
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2025, 02:33:30 PM »
It's interesting for some people. Just understand that not all catholics have the same personality, abilities, or inclinations. The model isn't as interesting to someone with intellectual inclinations and interested in things like maths, computer science, etc.
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Offline songbird

Re: A Catholic model of social order
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2025, 06:14:35 PM »
Interesting.  Why we can not get along  the root is not believing in The Incarnation.  Christ gave us the model.

I was interested in my roots.  My family from Bavaria.  They left in 1847. I wanted to know how they lived and why they picked up their roots.  I did google all my words and found an interesting article.  You think I could find it again, nope.  But in Bavaria most of the land was Catholic.  The people were like hired hands and all took care of growing what was needed.  they were self sufficient. They did not pay anyone for taxes. They simply took care of themselves.

Then the gov't, VIPs thought, hey, they don't pay taxes and oh, they are catholic, they are ignorant. They are not be as productive as they should be.  Gradually the gov't got to the top of govern.  They took the land and however.  Industrialization came in.  The Catholic Germans did not want to work next to a Protestant. Then we have the anti-clerical laws. Catholics soon had no church, no schools, no priest to give sacraments.  Catholics were hated, ridiculed and you name it!

So, my family, stopped having children in 1842, and saved what they could, however that was, and left Bremahaven port in 1847, Mast ships known as Floating hells. In Pennsylvania and a year later had a child, 1848. Friends were there and in Ohio.  by 1850 they were in Logansport, IN.

See how they got along!  They suffered because: If Christ was hated, so will we.  So, no matter how you stack things up, it is the same for now.
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