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Traditional Catholic Faith => Funny Stuff for Catholics => Topic started by: Traditional Guy 20 on January 15, 2014, 10:53:28 PM
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Alright all of you classical music lovers, can you name your favorite composers and their pieces that you enjoy?
My favorite composers are Beethoven, Mozart, and Bach and I really enjoy Beethoven's Ninth Symphony and Bach's Christmas Oratio.
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Vivaldi, L'estro Armonico op. 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMlZtxSUnXM
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All time favorites are classical guitar pieces by Bach, Scarlatti, and from the romantic period Tárrega.
Some Beethoven & Chopin during my melodramatic youth.
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I have had so many favorites over the years. These days, it is probably Bach - Air.
Air (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2j-frfK-yg)
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Beethoven's Eroica symphony, though it was unfortunately written in tribute to the ideals of the French Revolution.
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Beethoven's Sixth Symphony.
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I don't know much about classical music, but my favorite piece of classical music is Mozart's 40th symphony.
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Beethoven's Eroica symphony, though it was unfortunately written in tribute to the ideals of the French Revolution.
A good reason to stay away from his heavy metal noise. :heretic:
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Rachmaninov - Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini (This speaks to me of Our Lady)
Igor Stravinsky - Appolon Musagete
God bless!
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I was enamoured with this one 6 or 7 years ago.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/embed/7a_4w-aHQkU[/youtube]
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Raoul76 is a member whose past posts I have read a lot of and he has the right idea about music. As soon as music moves away from giving praise to God towards sentimentality, affectation and "art for art's sake" it becomes decadent and spiritually destructive.
Don't get me wrong, I can listen to Beethoven and Mozart and more or less discern the colossal genius that is credited to them; but Beethoven's work is manic depressive, brooding, full of praise for the French Revolution, utopian, humanist, etc.; and Mozart was a Freemason.
Stravinsky's music is so pagan. His Rite of Spring is a cacophany of lust and drunkenness, it reminds one of ancient Dionysus cults. A lot of the Russian composers are like that. Once the 20th century "empancipation of dissonance" occured in music it became more or less openly Satanic. Imagine if St. Augustine heard a composition of Karlheinz Stockhausen coming from a house; he would think that it had been taken over by demonic spirits, and he would be right.
There is a place in Plato, I think it's in The Republic, where he states that good music is necessary for the proper ordering of a society. Pythagoras, whom Plato was no doubt influenced, was a gnostic occultist who also ascribed vast spiritual importance to music. The idea is that the right music will put you in the right spirit, and if you want a good society you need to put people in good spirits (and we know that the only good Spirit is the Holy Spirit). When you listen to much of 17th-20th century classical / art music you are basically being visited by the phantom spirits of the French Revolution, The "Enlightenment", Humanism, and further on, weird occultism and gnosticism. Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7Wp3p3did4 Mozart wrote a piece for his Freemason buddies. It's very evil.
Listening to Beethoven's 5th will fill you with a passion to conquer; listening to his 9th will put you in the mood to overthrow existing society to create a utopia where "all Menschen werden Brüder". Listening to 13th century will put you in a humble and contemplative mood where you reflect on the glory of God.
Music is quite important in this sense.
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Also worth mentioning is how the humanists made a cult out of music. I laugh when I think about that 20th century Jew Adorno's lament where he states that society is corrupt because children don't know the difference between Bruckner's 9th and his 6th, or whatever. He was being sincere, too. Yeah, it's not love of God that will save us, it's being able to "appreciate the genius of the great composers". This is where I start to see the cult in culture. This is where all the snobbishness comes from where the "men of culture" look down their noses at others for not being able to "appreciate the sublime music of Mozart" (pronouncing "Mozart" in a refined way). Well, the "sublime music of Mozart" is humanist and masonic dreck, and I could chuck away all of Mozart and all of Beethoven for that old folk song Greensleeves. These people are more or less in a cult, the cult of "art appreciation and High Culture", which is Humanism, the worship of Mankind and its petty achievements. Think of those theater performances where the pianist is sat in front of an enormous crowd of overly-dressed buffoons who sit with sharp teeth ready to devour him with haughty contempt if he strikes a wrong note. It's a cult, more hilarious than Scientology because people are so ready to give to it the credibility that they aren't to Scientology.
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A good reason to stay away from his heavy metal noise. :heretic:
Yep, Beethoven is second only to Wagner for being the greatest Heavy Metal composer that there has ever been. Vivaldi's, Summer, 3rd movement, is pretty "heavy" too, and Paganini was the greatest "shredder" of all time.
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This may be quite far out there for some, but they use popular music to program people in mindcontrol operations. Certain phrases are occultic. For example, "somewhere over the rainbow" is apparently a suggestion that they use to mindcontrol victims; as the victim is undergoing the trauma that is necessary to "split" their personality, they are told to "go to that place over the rainbow", that "happy place", in other words, to lose their sense of self, to "dissociate", as it's called. Elton John has supposedly admitted that all of his songs are written in "Witch Language". It's not just Elton John, it's virtually the entire popular music industry. Certain phrases occur over and over . . . like "follow your heart", which is the occult doctrine of "do what thou wilt", "do what you want to do". When you hear the word "love" being used in pop music it is almost always a reference to Eros, the pagan idea that there is this cosmic force that gets people to want to mate / perform sex acts. When occultists say "love" they invariably mean sɛҳuąƖ desire / lust. An obscure one is the use of the word "hater" that keeps cropping up, and I have this suspicion that "hater" refers to real Catholics, i.e. those that hate the New Age philosophy of "do what you want to do", "live and let live", "tolerate all religions and all points of view", etc.
I'll summarize a few videos but I won't link to them, because they are evil.
In Lady Gaga's "Judas" Jesus Christ and the Apostles are portrayed as being a Biker Crew, and Lady Gaga is a Mary Magdalene who has "fallen in love with Judas". The idea being that it's pretty hip for a young Christian girl to give up her Christian sense of purity and chastity for that heartthrob that's been seducing her.
In Katy Perry's "E.T." she talks about wanting to be abducted by aliens and inseminated by them, producing offspring that are superhuman. This is one of the more deeply evil of the gnostic ideas that is becoming more and more widespread. You can see it in Spielberg movies and all over the place.
In Kanye West's "Power" he is the Antichrist.
In Katy Perry's "Unconditionally" she talks about having an unconditional love for the Antichrist.
In Katy Perry's "Roar" she is presented as a kind of fertility goddess. "I've got the eye of the tiger", "You're going to hear me roar, louder, louder than a lion", are the lyrics. Tiger is a symbol of lust. I have a feeling that she represents the Whore of Babylon in this video and that when the Great Whore says "you're going to hear me roar, louder, louder than a lion" she is saying that her voice is going to be heard louder across the world than the voice of Christ, because Christ is the "Lion of the tribe of Judah".
There's a new singer called "Lorde". The name itself is wicked. It's a perversion of Lord, God's title. It's linked to the gnostic idea of the "Eternal Feminine", that there is a divine male principle and a divine female principle. Her video "Team" shows a young boy being inducted into a cult. I believe that the lyrics are the Devil boasting about having all of the politicians on his side. "We are on the same team, and you know, and you know, and you know", are the final lyrics. In other words, "YOU KNOW THAT ALL OF "WE", THE ELITE, ARE CONSPIRING TOGETHER, AND YOU IMPLICITLY GIVE YOUR APPROVAL OF IT, YOU IMPLICITY WORSHIP THE BEAST".
Miley Cyrus's "We Can't Stop" is more boasting on the part of the Beast. "And we can't stop, and we won't stop", i.e., we, the devils that control the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr, cannot stop and will not stop. "It's our party and we can do what we want". You can link this to the current state of Rome. "It's OURS and if we want to mock Christ and mislead the faithful we can do that". "Remember only God can judge ya, forget the haters 'cause somebody loves ya". Here's that use of "haters" I was talking about, in other words: you can do whatever you want to do, and nobody can contradict you, because "only God can judge you". This is linked to that New Age blasphemy that God is some hippie that just wants us to "get along" and that doesn't mind us engaging in debauchery and perverting his image.
Selena Gomez's "Come and Get It" is the Whore of Babylon literally telling you right to your own face that if you fall down and worship her she'll give you the world.
Britney Spears' "Work B****" is the Whore of Babylon literally telling you right to your own face that if you fall down and worship her she'll give you the world. The only difference is that Gomez's is aimed at men, Spears' at women.
will.i.am (another gnostic name. "I AM" is one of God's names. "Will I Am" is saying that the Will is God, just like Nietzsche and Aleister Crowley. It's the "do what thou wilt" mantra again) ft. Justin Bieber's "#thatPOWER" makes me believe that the Antichrist is alive in the world today. It is frightening. Bieber is the Antichrist in the video. "And, ohhhhhhh, I'm alive, I'm alive, I'm alive, and, ohhhhh, I can fly, I can fly, I can fly, and I'm loving every second, minute, hour, bigger, better, stronger, power." I just heard a prophecy recently too, I believe from Holzahauser, that the Antichrist would be able to fly.
Once you see the gnosticism at work in these video they actually become extremely dangerous to watch. They are already dangerous to watch, but when you "open your third eye" and see that it isn't Selena Gomez on screen talking about her boyfriend, but the Whore of Babylon enticing you to worship her, then you are molested with temptations to worship the Devil. They are already dangerous to watch, because even if you can't see in the videos that the Devil is speaking to you and asking you to join his side, you still see all of the Devil's work - the debauchery, lust, idolatry - and you implicitly give your approval of it when you dance along and praise it in your heart. When I watch those girls go into violent convlusions when they see their favourite idol, it makes me want to despair. This is idolatry, it's an abomination. When after a singer as finished his or her song and the crowd ROARS with approval, it's as though I'm hearing them fall down and worship the Beast. I only have these insights in tiny glimpses and they shock me so much that I recede back into my acedia and forget that I'm living in Mystery Babylon and that I need to repent.
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Look at this, lol, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLgBejh5TLA
That beautiful architecture and that massive congregation all there to listen to the Devil play his fiddle.
Are you ready as yet to accuse me of Puritanism? :farmer:
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Hey Mcfiggly,
I won't call you a puritan, no. I'll take your word on all of the above, though I'd try to distinguish between useful idiots and the actual provacateurs of the New Order. By and large pop stars are useful idiots used to propogate an agenda. The damning effect of the music is the same either way, of course.
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Here's an old book on Possession. https://archive.org/details/possessiondemoni031669mbp
It links in with what I've said about mind control. I haven't read it yet but scanning it I see that it references the Bible, the Church, exorcism, etc.
You should read this if you are "skeptic" about psychic/mental phenomena like possession, and spirits, etc.
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I won't call you a puritan, no. I'll take your word on all of the above, though I'd try to distinguish between useful idiots and the actual provacateurs of the New Order. By and large pop stars are useful idiots used to propogate an agenda. The damning effect of the music is the same either way, of course.
Yes, they are useful idiots for sure. I'm almost certain that everybody that has the spotlight on them is a "useful idiot". The people at the top of the pyramid remain in the shadows, chanting to Lucifer. You don't hear about them. You have films like Eyes Wide Shut that point to them.
I can't verify this but it is likely that many of the celebrities we see are being mindcontrolled/possessed. There's a lot that points to that being the case. I believe it is the case for a lot of politicians too. There is something extremely off about Obama, for example. He will be part of the same secret societies that they are all are (like "Bohemian Grove"), but it's hard to know who runs those societies and whom are its slaves. Regardless, you can find rumors that Obama was a visitor of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ bars while he was working in Chicago as a senator. These rumors seemed credible at a glance, but I haven't looked into it. It doesn't prove that Obama is being mindcontrolled, it just reveals that he has a neurotic personality, to go around these seedy places when you are supposed to present yourself to the public as legitimate.
Looking into this stuff does serve a purpose. It shows you what evil really is. The problem is that everybody, myself included, has a tendency to block it out. We've been programmed to block this stuff out. They set-up trigger words like "conspiracy theory" so that whenever somebody hears that word their mind seizes up and they reject everything that they are hearing. Television is the most dangerous weapon that has ever existed. The internet isn't much better, but there's a tiny space, like here, where you are free.
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Also, the government is researching all sort of "paranormal" phenomena extensively. These things are derided in the popular media as "superstition" and "crackpottery", but they definitely occur. Things like seeing in to the future, mind-reading, etc. I've only recently begun to think these things happen. There are films that are preparing people subliminally to accept a future where paranormal phenomena are the norm. Looper, for example, takes place in the near future and there are commercials in the film like, "Are you a sensitive [whatever word they use, referring to people with psychic abilities]?, find out today!" This is significant, because what a lot of sci-fi films show today end up being out in the public tomorrow.
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We now know how much the NSA tracks each of us. I ought to be using a proxy, but it's probably too late. They have my identity and I'm almost definitely listed as a "potential terrorist".
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Are-you-a-suspected-terrorist
I wonder how much you have to know before they send somebody to poison you. You probably have to have sensitive information about specific people. I bet they look at people like me as searchers that are "feeling around in the dark". Well, I'm not going to get obsessed by this stuff enough to end up discovering information that is truly dangerous to know. Christ actually offered some advice for this situation:
Be at agreement with thy adversary betimes, whilst thou art in the way with him: lest perhaps the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
In other words, we aren't even supposed to hate these people behind the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr. We are supposed to pray for them and just pity them that they have been possessed by the Devil and do his work, to their eternal damnation. "Wise as serpents, harmless as doves".
About my saying that TV is the most dangerous weapon ever existed. A very practical example of this is that the Israelis, when they took over Arab territories, would broadcast pornography exclusively on their TVs, so as to subdue the male populace by making them into docile masturbators. That's pretty much what has happened everywhere.
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Denver Airport is crawling with secret society symbolism. It's quite eerie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN41qYOVBqQ
The video contains more or less prophecy indicating a great chastisement. i.e. the great part of the world's population is going to be wiped out by a virus. This is something that the NWO blokes openly talking about, they call it "depopulation", I call it, "satanism".
God isn't pleased with us, not at all.
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I can reduce much of what I've said here to a principle: the sacred is good, the secular is bad. Sacred is another word for "clean", just as secular is another word for "dirty".
There is much secular art, literature, and music that are astonishing displays of wit and genius - but astonishing displays of wit and genius are filthy if they are not linked to the Divine. They are just amusing tricks for idlers, even the greats like Beethoven and Shakespeare. They are either "entertainment" - i.e., something to deaden the spirit and consciousness of those that are restless - or they are filled with occult symbols, as much of Shakespeare is. Flee all idle etertainment like its the plague, that something that I'm just now learning. You do not benefit from it at all, it just evaporates your spirit, makes it sensual and eager for immediate pleasures.
If possible at every moment in your life you should be "in communion" with God, humble before Him. Every decision and action you make should be preceded by a reflection of God's ways and the prayer, "thy will be done".
I'm only just putting my first foot down this road, so forgive me if I come across as a hypocrite when I preach about spirituality when I clearly am not as loving as I ought to be.
Also, I just noticed that this is the Teen subsection. I'm actually 21; I'm sorry if I've accidentally deceived any of you, I did not notice what subsection of the forum the thread was in, I just saw its title. I'm also sorry for hijacking the thread and making it to be about "conspiracy theory". I've done that too often today. I apologize.
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Also worth mentioning is how the humanists made a cult out of music. I laugh when I think about that 20th century Jew Adorno's lament where he states that society is corrupt because children don't know the difference between Bruckner's 9th and his 6th, or whatever. He was being sincere, too. Yeah, it's not love of God that will save us, it's being able to "appreciate the genius of the great composers". This is where I start to see the cult in culture. This is where all the snobbishness comes from where the "men of culture" look down their noses at others for not being able to "appreciate the sublime music of Mozart" (pronouncing "Mozart" in a refined way). Well, the "sublime music of Mozart" is humanist and masonic dreck, and I could chuck away all of Mozart and all of Beethoven for that old folk song Greensleeves. These people are more or less in a cult, the cult of "art appreciation and High Culture", which is Humanism, the worship of Mankind and its petty achievements. Think of those theater performances where the pianist is sat in front of an enormous crowd of overly-dressed buffoons who sit with sharp teeth ready to devour him with haughty contempt if he strikes a wrong note. It's a cult, more hilarious than Scientology because people are so ready to give to it the credibility that they aren't to Scientology.
Please tell me the names of a few books or essays by Adorno that you've read. Did you read them in English or German? Can you tell me the relation, if any, between Theodor Adorno and Gabriele Adorno?
Whence does your knowledge of Scientology stem? First-hand experience? Critical literature? Talk radio?
Among how many enormous crowds of overly dressed buffoons have you sat whilst with sharpened teeth they waited to devour a pianist should he strike a wrong note? One? Two? Perhaps as many as three? Having myself sat amongst literally more than a thousand such crowds, I have inevitably noticed that they all failed to be (1) overdressed, (2) enormous, or (3) particularly sharp of tooth or mind. That is to say, virtually everyone attends such events to have a good time, after all. The actual problem I've noted is a widespread inability to tell a good performance from a mediocre or a poor one. But then again, my economic situation requires me to sharpen my own teeth—and without access to professional-grade equipment, alas.
Have you ever listened, critically or otherwise, to Bruckner's Sixth or Ninth Symphony? By critically, I mean attentively, not as background music to accompany your enlightenment of the yobbos here at CI and elsewhere. Do you ever listen to Bruckner's music, indeed any music, with score in hand—not just as something to keep your hand from yielding to, say, sɛҳuąƖ temptation, but to see how the performance realizes the musical notation on the page? If you think this is a waste of time and energy, why do you assume an insight into the motivations of other people who listen to such music?
Last but not least, what's wrong with pronouncing Mozart's name correctly? How would you feel if people began pronouncing your name as McJerk?
Even more last and even less least (I'm trying to channel the McFoggles spirit here, get it?), since you're all of 21 now, what further wonders of scholarship and cogitation can we look forward to being the beneficiaries of in the years and decades to come? Any hint of what you have planned will be greatly appreciated. I need to map out how I spend my declining years.
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Congratulations claudel, on being the first person on here discerning enough to see, or bold enough to denounce me for, my psuedointellectualism. Yes, everything I write on this forum is the fruit of lazy, half-ripe thought; but in my defence we are in the Teen Catholic Hangout subsection of an internet forum; and while that does not excuse me from my arrogance, it does somewhat make your aggressive tone seem superfluous.
Please tell me the names of a few books or essays by Adorno that you've read.
A single essay. That's all I needed to pigeonhole him as a neurotic Jew. That, an the reputation of the Frankfurt School and its Marxism.
Can you tell me the relation, if any, between Theodor Adorno and Gabriele Adorno?
No I cannot, because I do not know whom the latter is.
Whence does your knowledge of Scientology stem? First-hand experience? Critical literature? Talk radio?
You know, hearsay.
Among how many enormous crowds of overly dressed buffoons have you sat whilst with sharpened teeth they waited to devour a pianist should he strike a wrong note? One? Two? Perhaps as many as three?
None, actually.
Have you ever listened, critically or otherwise, to Bruckner's Sixth or Ninth Symphony? By critically, I mean attentively.
I listened to the first few chords. That's all I needed to pigeonhole him as a neurotic modern composer.
Last but not least, what's wrong with pronouncing Mozart's name correctly?
Nothing; I was painting a picture of affected manners, one that seems to have rubbed you in the wrong way, unfortunately, and for that I apologize.
You do not really address my main point. My main point was that classical music, like nearly all of the culture that has come out of the last few centuries, is infected with a humanism that is antithetical to Catholicism. I do not think that your listening to Bruckner "critically, attentively" is anything to be proud of. I do not think Beethoven and Mozart have any importance, and I conveyed that meaning by saying that you could throw away their work for the sake of keeping an old folk song, for all I care. I think that the genius cult, a subsection of the humanity cult (humanism), that is popular even to this day is morally sickening. I think the humility of a Saint is more impressive than all the works of all the greatest Western composers, which is why I have such contempt for the culture of "music appreciation" and the worldly haughtiness that attends it.
However, I do need to humble myself and stop vainly pontificating on the internet. My education consists of scraps gleaned from sundry sources, and I am a pretentious know-it-all. When I was on this forum a month ago I made a resolution not to return until I had seen a change in myself, and that resolution has been broken. I need to retire from this place once more; the reason why I am here is to fritter away time, and it's disgraceful and irresponsible of me. I've talked about a lot of the things I dislike in this thread - like snobishness - and yet here I am guilty of the same thing that I accuse others of. That's hypocrisy. I'm doubleminded and that's why I'm here: I'm failing to make a decision and so decide to be apathetic instead. Thank you for the greatly needed reminder, claudel. I keep ignoring all of the graces that God is offering me in order to feed my vanity in all sorts of ways. Please, forgive me my arrogance.
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McJerk and McFoggles aren't that impressive, btw, I've always preferred McFaggly.
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To McFiggly:
The following scriptural quote that you posted is actually a reference to purgatory:
Matthew 5:25-26
Be at agreement with thy adversary (satan - see below) betimes, whilst thou art in the way with him: lest perhaps the adversary deliver thee to the judge (Christ), and the judge deliver thee to the officer (some angelic overseer of God's justice), and thou be cast into prison (purgatory). Amen I say to thee, thou shalt not go out from thence till thou repay the last farthing.
Apocalypse (Revelation) 12:10
"And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying: Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: because the accuser of our brethren is cast forth, who accused them before our God day and night."
As regards the wicked, in justice they are legitimately detested:
Genesis 3:15
I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.
However, we must love them in the sense of wishing their good and that they be converted.
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Thank you andy, that interpretation makes a great deal of sense.
I must go and pray now, for mercy, that the Lord will keep me from making a scandal of myself through pride and conceit. I realize that I ought to be making greater use of my signature.
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To McFiggly
I hardly think your self-accusation is true! But you are certainly to be honoured!
Proverbs 29:23
"...glory shall uphold the humble of spirit."
God bless.
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I listened to the first few chords. That's all I needed to pigeonhole him as a neurotic modern composer.
Ah! That Anton Bruckner was a daily communicant who lived and died in the Faith and, in his last days, dedicated his not quite completed Ninth Symphony to "dear God" ("an dem lieben Gott") cuts no mustard with you, then? You see through his pretence, which is doubtless designed to drag us all down to hell?
You do not really address my main point. My main point was that classical music, like nearly all of the culture that has come out of the last few centuries, is infected with a humanism that is antithetical to Catholicism.
Of course I don't address it! You have demonstrated beyond any doubt that you haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about. Furthermore, your views about the high art of the West are clean contrary to those of Saint John Bosco and many other saints. They are also directly opposed to centuries of practice by entirely orthodox popes, cardinals, and bishops. One still-living prelate who would condemn you for pretending to knowledge and understanding you completely lack is +Richard Williamson. He greatly admires even Brahms's German Requiem, despite the fact that its composer was, at the least, a formal agnostic.
In conclusion, however, I applaud you for saying that you need to stop talking about these and similar things. Please be so good as to put your resolution into immediate effect.
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I listened to the first few chords. That's all I needed to pigeonhole him as a neurotic modern composer.
Ah! That Anton Bruckner was a daily communicant who lived and died in the Faith and, in his last days, dedicated his not quite completed Ninth Symphony to "dear God" ("an dem lieben Gott") cuts no mustard with you, then? You see through his pretence, which is doubtless designed to drag us all down to hell?
You do not really address my main point. My main point was that classical music, like nearly all of the culture that has come out of the last few centuries, is infected with a humanism that is antithetical to Catholicism.
Of course I don't address it! You have demonstrated beyond any doubt that you haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about. Furthermore, your views about the high art of the West are clean contrary to those of Saint John Bosco and many other saints. They are also directly opposed to centuries of practice by entirely orthodox popes, cardinals, and bishops. One still-living prelate who would condemn you for pretending to knowledge and understanding you completely lack is +Richard Williamson. He greatly admires even Brahms's German Requiem, despite the fact that its composer was, at the least, a formal agnostic.
In conclusion, however, I applaud you for saying that you need to stop talking about these and similar things. Please be so good as to put your resolution into immediate effect.
claudel,
As a classically trained musician I would take the time to crush this intellectual piece of refuse, but that would entail wasting time that could otherwise be spent practicing or transmitting the beauty of four centuries of Western music to the next generation.
To you do I entrust this unpleasant task. Schoenberg is more intelligble than the refuse that leaks forth from the mouth of these barbarians.
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I loathe to agree with people that argue with me quite a lot, but yes classical music is praiseworthy (one of the few brands of music). Also Beethoven's Ninth Symphony is a true piece of art.
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Spem in Alium - Thomas Tallis 15th century
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Pachelbel's Canon.
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claudel,
As a classically trained musician I would take the time to crush this intellectual piece of refuse, but that would entail wasting time that could otherwise be spent practicing or transmitting the beauty of four centuries of Western music to the next generation.
To you do I entrust this unpleasant task. Schoenberg is more intelligble than the refuse that leaks forth from the mouth of these barbarians.
The problem with the "beauty of four centuries of Western music" is that those beauties are, very often, not Catholic beauties, i.e. they aren't beauties at all.
Fair is foul, and foul is fair:
Hover through the fog and filthy air.
I believe that this is the kind of hocuspocus that you have to undergo before you can consider Schoenberg "intelligible". What intelligible thoughts go through your mind when you listen to Schoenberg? I'm not being sarcastic here, I genuinely am curious what somebody with knowledge about music thinks while deciphering that demonic delirium that he called music. You see, I'm not sure how you go from delirium to intelligibilty.
Barbarian that I am, can we at least agree on a basic level that Beethoven's Great 9th is a hymn to a pan-Europeanism / Cosmopolitanism, i.e. the NWO? It's not by accident that Adolf Hitler favoured this piece. Neither is it an accident that Mozart was a freemason and that freemasons still use his music in their abominable ceremonies (so I've heard). I'm not classically trained, and I'm no musicologist, but it's not that difficult to detect the same pattern in the religious and political history of Europe in its musical history.
Finally, listen to Palestrina. His music is so much cleaner than any of the music from the past four centuries of Western Music. It's like going from reading Benedict XVI to St. Augustine, from schizophrenia to peace of mind, from anxiety to rest. You know Who is receiving praise in Palestrina's music. In the vast majority of the past four centuries of Western Music, you're not sure if its God being praised or Man being praised above God; and as for 20th Century Music it seems as though the Devil has acheived absolute victory. Do you see God in any of Schoenberg's Rorschach blots? They seem only to reveal his own private neuroticisms; doubting that that it is just my barbaric, untrained ear. I can only value his music the way I value any modern art - as just a pointer that says, "yep, Modernity is THAT depraved", and so I see the art, see how wonderfully it depicts the depravity of the Modern mind, say to myself, "so what?", and walk away. An example is T. S. Eliot. His poetry is probably the best, at least in English, of the 20th century; but it is still completely worthless except as a very eloquent reminder of how sick Modernity is, and why would you want to wallow in the sickness of Modernity expressed in Modern Art? Flee to earlier centuries. Only vain ambition and pretensions can make one preoccupied with Art today, because it is antichrist. This is why I find it very little praiseworthy to be able to "appreciate" Modern Art (or the art of the last few centuries). It's like being able to "appreciate" muck (in fact, didn't a modern artist literally sell cans of his own excrement under the label, "Artist's Shit", and don't those cans sell for thousands of dollars? That's the kind of thing you are praising when you tip your wineglass and look down your nose at "the barbarians that cannot appreciate the sublimities of true art"). I think it's a play by Aristophanes where he depicts the ultimate state of decay in society as when the masses begin to praise and worship excrement. That's the history of Modern Art, the "cultured, literary" elite learning how to adore excrement for fear of being thought of as "uncultured", or "barbarian". Am I saying that Mozart and Beethoven are excrement? No, but I am saying that their music certainly does begin to stink. It's a straight path from Beethoven to Artist's Shit, and you can tell that by the way you and your ilk glorify the artist, when if you had a proper view of Art you'd realize that the artist deserves no praise whatsoever, except insofar as his art gives praise to God, and even then the artist deserves almost no praise compared to the Holy Spirit that inspired his art. As for this view being contrary to what some Saints / Catholic dignitaries have taught: I do think that secular music has a place in life, it's just that it has a pretty damn low place, along with cereal and cartoons; which is why I find the exquisite architecture and all the rest of the dressing up that is done for the sake of this secular art very silly (at best). I don't think that Beethoven is inherently any better than modern pop music; at an aesthetic level, sure, Beethoven outdoes them by many a mile, but spiritually they both embody something that is sick, and the spiritual is what matters most. As Plato alluded to in his works, what you listen to affects your soul; so why even listen to Beethoven when you know that he had, and his music has, the heart of a revolutionary?
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Here are words that Flaubert put into the mouth of the character of Satan:
I must be everywhere. The precious metals flow, the diamonds glitter, and men's names resound at my command. I whisper in the ears of women, of poets, and of statesmen, words of love, of glory, of ambition. With Messalina and Nero, at Paris and at Babylon, within the self-same moment do I dwell. Let a new island be discovered, I fly to it ere man can set foot there; though it be but a rock encircled by the sea, I am there in advance of men who will dispute for its possession. I lounge, at the same instant, on a courtesan's couch and on the perfumed beds of emperors. Hatred and envy, pride and wrath, pour from my lips in simultaneous utterance. By night and day I work. While men ate burning Christians, I luxuriate voluptuously in baths perfumed with roses; I race in chariots; yield to deep despair; or boast aloud in pride.
He said, "of poets", but that may as well include composers, as a composer can be seen as a form of poet. Do you see the point that I am trying to make? You have to ask before you "appreciate" a work of art, who was whispering in this great artist's ear while he painted this masterpiece? Why do you think that Homer and Virgil and the rest did the Invocation of the Muse at the start of their great works? It's because artists get their inspiration from spirits; and if that Spirit isn't the Holy Spirit, then it's probably going to be an unholy one.
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blah blah blah …
It hasn't taken you long to break your resolution to cease bloviating about matters you know nothing about, has it?
I am particularly struck that you cite Flaubert as an authority. You are aware, aren't you, that he had an absolutely scandalous private life? Talk about un-Catholic beauty! (I assume you got the Flaubert quote from the Internet rather than from actual reading of one of his novels.)
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As for this view being contrary to what some Saints / Catholic dignitaries have taught: I do think that secular music has a place in life, it's just that it has a pretty damn low place, along with cereal and cartoons; which is why I find the exquisite architecture and all the rest of the dressing up that is done for the sake of this secular art very silly (at best).
Let me explain briefly my reasoning behind this. I've come recently to develop (or rather, intuit) a theory, though admittedly still in its nascent stage, of civilization in general that puts the ritual at the very center. In my opinion, all civilizations are centered around gods, priests, temples and rituals. These are more fundamental to civilization than even the family, and certainly more than music, art, and the political unit / polis / State, etc. A civilization is just a group of people assembling in order to worship God (if the civilization is good), or idols (if the civilization is evil); but, either way, without the concept of divinity there is no such thing as civilization. This is why I have such a contempt for Secularism as a doctrine or worldview (an atheistic worldview that has no concept of divinity or God, and sets a worldly utopia as its highest goal), and the fruits of this strictly secularist worldview which I can see in the great music of the last few centuries. Once Europe was taken over by the "Rationalists" who thought that all religious expression (worship, adoration of God, belief in spirits / miracles, etc.) was "superstition", Europe essentially became a place of civilized barbarians, techno-barbarians (at least in the Academy / literary circles, because behind the scenes there were still Jews / Freemasons / witches who were ready to take over). That's what Beethoven was: a very cultured, very refined barbarian. The 20th century was the most barbaric that there has ever been, and Beethoven's 9th is the overture to what was going to happen in Europe in the 20th century.
So do you see why I have such scorn for the pretensions of those who "appreciate" this "great art"? Art is a poor man's religion. Art is essentially a form of ritualism - it uses a combination of symbols, sacrifices, music, characters/roleplaying, etc. When the elite of Europe abandoned religion and became secularist they essentially took Art as their religion, because man has an inherent need for rituals, and Art is a form of ritualism. The point of a ritual is to act upon a man's soul, to in some sense bring him closer to the god which the ritual glorifies. When they abandoned God they had to have their heroes in Art instead. If a young girl could no longer bear going to Church to have the Virgin Mary reign over soul, she'd go the Theatre instead and have Juliet become her idol. Do you know about a book called The Sorrows of Young Werther (original in German), written by Goethe, and how its suicidal protagonist, who killed himself over his deep romantic love for an idealized woman (like in Romeo & Juliet), inspired young men to do the same to themselves? That's because they did not have the True God in their souls, and let a demonic spirit flatter them as being romantic heroes instead. Their ѕυιcιdєs were essentially a form of ritual human sacrifice for the god of romanticism. You have all these humanists saying that, "art reveals what it is to be a human being". No, the Mass reveals what it is to be a human being, "Art" very often reveals, subtly, what it is to be a possessed by the Devil. See, I do not think men have very much to learn from Art; Art is either vapid entertainment like cartoons are, or it gives glory to God, or it gives glory to the god of this world (Satan). Most of the great art does the lattermost.
“A fire broke out backstage in a theatre. The clown came out to warn the public; they thought it was a joke and applauded. He repeated it; the acclaim was even greater. I think that's just how the world will come to an end: to general applause from wits who believe it's a joke.”
let the theater keep what belongs to the theater and the juggling heroes: pretentious words, bold gestures, and the applause of an appraising crowd.
You know, the deepest work of Art is of course Shakespeare's Hamlet. I think that the play deals with this issue. Hamlet represents Shakespeare's struggle to make a truly satisfying - that is, spiritually satisfying, in the way that the Mass is - work of art, to translate the Church over to the Stage. The play is linked to other moments in Shakespeare like:
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing.
All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts,
...
Last scene of all,
That ends this strange eventful history,
Is second childishness and mere oblivion,
Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything.
Those quotes express Hamlet's inner-consciousness. What the quotes are saying is that man is just made up of appearances, there is no ultimate reality, it is all a game that we play for the sake of each other . . . it's an expression of moral relativism / nihilism, the idea that there is no ultimate truth, and that we cannot know God. The whole of the play is basically the character of Hamlet feeling as though he is just a character in a play and not a "real" person, and he can't figure out why he has to play the role that God has given him, by playing the Prince and avenging his murdered father. It's why he gets so frustrated with the actor who expresses such sympathy for a character in a play, when he himself is unable to express sympathy, that he ought to feel, for real people. There's this weird double or triple reflection that goes on throughout Hamlet, where Hamlet is sort of aware throughout that he is in a play, and where Shakespeare the author is aware that Hamlet his creation is aware that he is in the play of his own creation, like Shakespeare is experiencing the horror of his own creation become conscious and turning against him. "No William, I, Hamlet, your own creation, will not avenge my father, even though that's what the script demands. Non serviam.". It's like Shakespeare has taken on the role of God and Hamlet is sinning against Shakespeare, his Creator, by refusing to play the role by the script. This is where Shakespeare is concious that all of Art is entirely manmade and that it is totally powerless at bringing men closer to God in and of itself, because Art is made up of appearances - it is pretty vapour before your eyes - and God is a reality that demands obedience and sacrifice.
The legitimate role of Art is as an ornament of the Church, to give glory to God. It's there to make our rituals resonate more emotionally. The great music of the past four centuries has not ornamented the Church or embellished its rituals, it has ornamented "Humanity" or the "State" or "European Culture", etc.
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I am particularly struck that you cite Flaubert as an authority. You are aware, aren't you, that he had an absolutely scandalous private life? Talk about un-Catholic beauty!
I did not cite him as an authority. I mentioned his name to give him due credit for writing it. Besides, there is nothing in that quote that is contrary to Catholic theology. His statement about the role that Satan plays in civilization is spot-on. If you think otherwise, then say so. I think Flaubert would be in a position to speak about the role that Satan plays in art because Flaubert was an artist, so he ought to know.
You are aware, aren't you . . .
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(I assume you got the Flaubert quote from the Internet rather than from actual reading of one of his novels.)
Are you worried, in accordance with the virtue of charity, about the state of my soul and the pride and sloth that I might be falling in to; or are you just looking to denigrate me for you own sake? If you want to give me a sermon on how out of order I am talking about these things then I will gladly listen; but if you can only bring yourself to utter snide remarks then it seems to me that you ought to leave for your own sake, that you don't end up sinning.
God bless.
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"Deo Gratias" - Johannes Ockeghem (d. 1497)
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Please Please Me --Beatles (d. 1969) :surprised:
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Please Please Me --Beatles (d. 1969) :surprised:
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Please Please Me --Beatles (d. 1969) :surprised:
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I don't think liking the beatles warrants burning at the stake. Liking Judas Priest or Pantera, maybe.
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I don't think liking the beatles warrants burning at the stake. Liking Judas Priest or Pantera, maybe.
No, it's the innocent seeming ones that are the worst. I say, "innocent seeming", even though you can find pictures of the Beatles holding up Devil's signs and all sorts of things, and Lennon said, blasphemously, "we're bigger than Jesus", or something to that effect, referring to how popular The Beatles was and how it was practically a cult.
I'm telling you, that Justin Bieber and Miley Cyrus currently rank higher in Satan's Army than an all of the hardcore heavy metallers, because they reach a much wider audience. I talked earlier about how demonic pop music is.
Does it not make you recoil in horror when you hear how all of the young girls SCREAM and go into convulsions, crying their little eyes out, when they see their favourite Pop IDOL (the clue is in the name: IDOL, as in these girls are IDOLATERS, as in, the worst sin that there is).
It started with The Beatles, to an extent. They were the first BIG band. Modern pop concerts are essentially pagan festivals. They remind one of ancient dionysus cults, certainly an ancient pagan would find himself at home there. You have the Idol on stage (and many of them even take to dressing up as gods/godesses: Kanye West literally brings out a guy on stage portraying Jesus, and Lady Gaga dresses up as Aphrodite/Venus), you have the drunkeness (alcohol, drugs), the dancing, the music, the only thing that you are missing is a visible sacrifice, but I suppose that the money that they payed for the concert that goes to their Idol could count as the sacrifice.
The Beatles are worse than any child molester in history, because they molested millions of young people's souls with their satan-inspired music.
Listen to this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XrV83pHSuk
She looks like a witch, dresses like a witch, dances like a witch --- by God, she's a witch! Except people aren't rushing to :heretic:, they're worshipping her in their hearts! Wait 'til the end, when you hear the crowd ROAR. It's like I'm hearing the Antichrist being worshipped when I hear that sound. It's terrifying. Do you think I am exaggerating when I say this? No, I am not at all; these "celebrities", i.e. cults of personality, are a vision of what influence the Antichrist will have on the public. Women of all ages will scream until they lose their voice in adulation over him; men will cheer for him like he's the saviour (because that's what he will pose as).
I've already dealt with her name, "Lorde", earlier in the thread, and how it's a mockery of Our Lord.
Poor Witch couldn't even control her voice, lol, but that didn't seem to bother the "Sleep Sheep" worshipping her.
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You can interpret many of these pop music videos in such a way, that if you look into them deeply, you can practically see Satan himself moving in the images and asking you to worship him.
I can take most pop songs and give them a demonic interpretation, watch, as I interpret this song which is actually a lot, lot more innocent seeming than most pop songs today:
"Ready Or Not"
H-Hey H-Hey
H-H-Hey (H-Hey)
Oooooooooooooo
I'm the kinda girl who doesn't say a word,
Who sits at the curb and waits for the world
But I'm about to break out, about to break out
I'm like a crook tonight
She expresses her "insecurity" in the first line. She wants to "break out", she is going to do that by worshipping the Devil. "Waits for the world", Satan is the God of this World (its one of his traditional titles).
Like ohh ohh ohh
Light my heart up baby like a match stick
Ohh ohh ohh
And hit the gas quick
Essentially describes her state of being taken over by demonic spirits. I'm pretty sure, from watching a few videos, that cars / motor vehicles are an expression of lust. A ferrari with a hot engine symbolizes a body that is sɛҳuąƖly excited. That's what she's referring to with "hit the gas quick". "Light my heart up . . . " is the feeling of power that the Devil gives her.
[Chorus]
Ready or not
Here I come
Where you at?
The night is young
In the crowd the music's loud but I will find you
Ready or not
Here I come
I like your face
Do you like my song?
Just sing it la la la la la la and I'll find you
Ready or not (Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh)
Ready or not (Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh)
"Where you at?" She is addressing the Devil. She is coming for the Devil. "The night is young". Popular phrase in pop music, the idea behind it is that you can give your soul to the Devil and not worry about the consequences because the "night is young", i.e. you have all night to enjoy (all your worldly life), and you can forget about the dawn (the judgement). "In the crowd the music's loud but I will find you", she will find the Devil in the crowd, while she is drunk and entranced by music. "I like your face, Do you like my song?" Flirting with the Devil, winking at him, "do you like my song? I made it for you."
Hello my name is...
Nice to meet you
I think you're famous
Where have I seen you?
You'll be my William, I'll be your Kate
Livin' like a fairytale
We could have a palace right next to Oprah
37 cars and a yacht down in Boca
Take me away wherever you say
Yeah we could be setting sail
"I think you're famous, Where have I seen you?" The Devil is "famous". The next four lines are about the Devil being able to fulfill her fantasies. "Take me away wherever you say", expressing her desire to serve him.
Ready or not here I come, here I come
You're like a breath of fresh air in my lungs
You and me dance from the night to the dawn
Ready or not here I come, boy it's on
Expressing her invigoration with feeling the Devil's presence. "You and me dance from the night to the dawn", what I've said above. "Dancing with the Devil", it means living in a world of earthly delights before you meet your fate.
That one is much more innocent seeming than the majority. I could have picked many easier targets than that (I made a post earlier about some bad ones). The phenomenon that I am speaking about, however, is this kind of gnostic experience. I'm telling you that all of these pop videos have this gnostic element to them. They are all saying, "If you KNOW, you can join our secret club". The start of that Lorde's song, "Team", starts with, "look upon your greatness, and she'll send the call out", i.e. if you think of yourself as a god (as the gnostics do, and as all these popstars do), then "she" (and I presume that this is the Whore of Babylon) will invite you the club, i.e. she'll make you rich and famous, you just have to worship her completely and do exactly what she says. It's this weird experience of looking at these pop stars on screen and seeing them transformed into the Devil. It's a terrifying experience. Certainly not recommended.
will.i.am ft. Justin Bieber's "#thatPOWER" has me convinced that the Antichrist is alive today, because I'm SURE that Bieber represents the Antichrist in that video, and, like I've said, when you're watching it and you SEE with your own eyes the Antichrist speaking to you in that video, it's not pleasant.
Here's a fairly recent example of a famous person admitting to this kind of thing, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfaG6dWnHJI&t=16m18s
He even says, "it got me a career".
Careful with this. Remember that Satan is the father of lies. I'm pretty sure that for every person that gave themselves up to Satan with the hope of "making it", Satan sent three quarters of them straight to mental hospitals. He'll promise you anything if you sell your soul to him, but he's a liar. And as soon as he can't make use of you anymore he'll get rid of you. This is why John Lennon was murdered. He was murdered by a guy who was possessed by Satan. Apparently he couldn't make use of Lennon anymore.
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Jean Sibelius.
I especially love his second symphony and his first violin concerto.
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Puritan :roll-laugh2:
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I don't think liking the beatles warrants burning at the stake. Liking Judas Priest or Pantera, maybe.
No, it's the innocent seeming ones that are the worst. I say, "innocent seeming", even though you can find pictures of the Beatles holding up Devil's signs and all sorts of things, and Lennon said, blasphemously, "we're bigger than Jesus", or something to that effect, referring to how popular The Beatles was and how it was practically a cult.
I'm telling you, that Justin Bieber and Miley Cyrus currently rank higher in Satan's Army than an all of the hardcore heavy metallers, because they reach a much wider audience. I talked earlier about how demonic pop music is.
Does it not make you recoil in horror when you hear how all of the young girls SCREAM and go into convulsions, crying their little eyes out, when they see their favourite Pop IDOL (the clue is in the name: IDOL, as in these girls are IDOLATERS, as in, the worst sin that there is).
It started with The Beatles, to an extent. They were the first BIG band. Modern pop concerts are essentially pagan festivals. They remind one of ancient dionysus cults, certainly an ancient pagan would find himself at home there. You have the Idol on stage (and many of them even take to dressing up as gods/godesses: Kanye West literally brings out a guy on stage portraying Jesus, and Lady Gaga dresses up as Aphrodite/Venus), you have the drunkeness (alcohol, drugs), the dancing, the music, the only thing that you are missing is a visible sacrifice, but I suppose that the money that they payed for the concert that goes to their Idol could count as the sacrifice.
The Beatles are worse than any child molester in history, because they molested millions of young people's souls with their satan-inspired music.
I am here just to relate this first person story of witnessing the obsessed crowd and the Beatles in the early years.
Two of my siblings and I went to the movie theatre to see the first showing of the Beatles movie "A Hard Day's Night". My brother and I, ages ten and eleven did not have any interest in going but we were accompanying our older sister. We were standing practically in the aisle in the front and we could see everyone there. My brother and I were the only two sane people in that theatre. When the movie began and the Beatles appeared onscreen all of the girls, who appeared just a little bit older than us, went mad. They screamed and cried for absolutely no reason. What happened? What was it that possessed them and not us?
Is the Beatles early music harmless? In my view, not really. It can have the effect of an intoxicating drug which removes any sense of reason unless one is on guard.
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It makes my skin crawl, Memento. I mean, I've always felt a certain kind of despair when seeing this kind of thing, people practically giving up their entire souls in that hysterical way. Hypnotism disturbs me in the same way, it just seems wrong. But since I've been learning about Satan the entire thing takes on a new dimension.
Actually, there's this disgusting video by an "artist" named "Aphex Twin" called "Windowlicker" that pretty much explains the phenomenon. In that video Satan possesses a couple of prostitutes, and when they are possessed they take on the same demonic, ugly, twisted face that Satan himself as; so that it's Satan's face on women's bodies. That's pretty much what's going on when these girls experience this mass hysteria: they are putting on the image of the Devil, they are worshipping the Beast. If you asked them why they reacted like that they would not be able to explain it to you, it's just an uncontrollable feeling that arrests them. It's part of the witchcraft that is Television. Television is a form of mindcontrol, it's more subversive than you imagine. It plants images in your head so that when you see one of these celebrities in real life, they have this kind of "divine" aura about them, like they are from another world. It's demonic.
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Niezgoda starts his book with the well-known remark Lennon made to his friend Tony Sheridan in the mid-1960s: “I’ve sold my soul to the Devil.” In the next chapters he goes on to show how this nobody group of British miscreants rose to fame: It is explained by a pact John Lennon made with the Devil for fame and fortune.
The pact
When was the pact made? Niezgoda pinpoints the date - December 27, 1960, the night the Beatles played at the Town Hall Ball Room in Litherland, England. Lennon was a 20-year old wanna-be rock star in a mediocre band not so different from so many others at the time. He was desperate to “be more famous than Elvis.” Desperate enough to sell his soul to the Devil, Niezgoda contends.
During that performance, Niezgoda reports, “the Beatles evoked a response noticeably different from anything in their past.” As they played, the crowd unexpectedly surged onto the stage and the girls started to scream. It had never happened before, but it would always happen afterward. It was the birth of Beatlemania. All four have noted this night as the turning point in their careers
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http://www.traditioninaction.org/bkreviews/A_026br_LennonProphecy.htm
So that pretty much explains it, Memento. The Devil gave them their power, so that when girls saw their image they were overcome by that hysteria that you described.
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I did not cite him as an authority. I mentioned his name to give him due credit for writing it. Besides, there is nothing in that quote that is contrary to Catholic theology. His statement about the role that Satan plays in civilization is spot-on. If you think otherwise, then say so. I think Flaubert would be in a position to speak about the role that Satan plays in art because Flaubert was an artist, so he ought to know.
I see that one of your preteen pals thinks you've delivered a great comeback. We grown-ups expect a bit more, however—at the very least some indication that you understand the words you've cut and pasted at, for a start, the merely syntactic level.* The fact that you've both demonstrated and admitted to your ignorance on all matters artistic ought to have shut you up, even if you hadn't given your word that your empty and offensive ramblings were at an end. Thus, these words and actions of yours mark you out as a deceiver and a vulgarian, as well as someone whose lack of humility seems to know no bound.
Are you worried, in accordance with the virtue of charity, about the state of my soul and the pride and sloth that I might be falling in to; or are you just looking to denigrate me for you own sake? If you want to give me a sermon on how out of order I am talking about these things then I will gladly listen; but if you can only bring yourself to utter snide remarks then it seems to me that you ought to leave for your own sake, that you don't end up sinning.
So now you're dictating terms, are you? What an arrogant creature it is! How full of itself! We needn't discuss your pride and sloth any further. Your insistence on drawing attention to them time after time suggests that at least one fictional character has left his mark upon you. I speak of course of Uriah Heep.
The plain facts are these. Genuine Catholic modesty and humility call one to silence in the presence of things about which one's knowledge and understanding are minimal or, as in your case, essentially nonexistent. Having ignorance of or lack of interest in the arts or mathematics or knitting is, sub specie aeternitatis, not a matter of consequence. On the other hand, sanctimoniously blackening these or any other pursuits from motivations of ignorance and resentment and spite, as you have, and—what is even more despicable—slandering those who, like Saint John Bosco, find in the first-mentioned area not simply pleasure both licit and profound but an occasion for experience that refines the mental and emotional faculties in such a way as to make them more worthy of their Creator (cf. the Parable of the Talents) is moronic and contemptible on the secular plane and a genuinely sinful abuse of whatever limited mental abilities you yourself have been graced with.
In your proud and bold comments you have declared that an effective Satanic equivalence links TV, the Beatles, Beethoven, Flaubert, Mozart, and heaven alone knows who and what else. What is most astonishing about this is that your inability to manifest even a normal adolescent's level of the discriminatory faculty hasn't been enough to shame you into silence! What will it take, I wonder?
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*Don't forget, incidentally, that the kind of cutting and pasting of thirdhand rubbish that is evidently your principal skill is about as closely related to an authentic mental ability as a bout of flatulence is. Just about as endearing, too.
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In your proud and bold comments you have declared that an effective Satanic equivalence links TV, the Beatles, Beethoven, Flaubert, Mozart, and heaven alone knows who and what else.
He isn't called the God of this World without reason.
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Insightful article on the Beatles:
http://www.henrymakow.com/beatles_were_mind_control.html
God bless all!
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The Beatles early music is classical western civilisation. It is to be expected that the Judaix Makow will trash them. :detective:
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To Roscoe:
The primary source material is by Dr John Coleman, who wrote the well-known book "The Committee of 300" and who was a former MI6 British agent. He makes the connection between the illuminati and rock music in his book on the Tavistock Institute as follows:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Tavistock-Institute-Human-Relations/dp/B000MQPTMQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1390341451&sr=8-1&keywords=tavistock+institute
God bless!
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The Beatles' music is garbage and highly over-rated. :boxer:
Only someone from that era, like roscoe gives a damn about their music. My grandparents are from that era and also agree the Beatles were over-hyped. :wink:
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The only actual evidence ever produced by Makow, La Rouche or Coleman( none of them Catholics) that the Beatles come from Tavistock is that it is in England.
Why waste time going after the Beatles when there are Led Zep, The Who, Black Sabbath, Rap etc to go after.
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The Beatles' music is garbage and highly over-rated. :boxer:
Only someone from that era, like roscoe gives a damn about their music. My grandparents are from that era and also agree the Beatles were over-hyped. :wink:
This is not true. Go to Utube & watch footage of any CURRENT Paul or Ringo tour & take a look at the crowd. Most of them are under 30-- many about 20.
You are full of Shinola. :fryingpan:
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This is not true. Go to Utube & watch footage of any CURRENT Paul or Ringo tour & take a look at the crowd. Most of them are under 30-- many about 20.
You are full of Shinola. :fryingpan:
You are full of the modern-day hype of bad music. :wink:
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http://www.traditioninaction.org/bkreviews/A_026br_LennonProphecy.htm
So that pretty much explains it, Memento. The Devil gave them their power, so that when girls saw their image they were overcome by that hysteria that you described.
mcfig I'd like to download some classical music with catholic themes, can you suggest any?
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Don't think I've seen these mentioned, but Mozart's Requiem and Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture.
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It's too difficult for me to pick a single favourite but several I've listened to lately are so exquisite that I must list them: Bach's Passacaglia & Fugue in C Minor played by Karl Richter, Marcello's Oboe Concerto in D Minor, Siegfried's Funeral March conducted by Furtwangler in 1933, Chopin's Piano Concerto in F Minor played by Wilhelm Kempff & Mascagni's Cavalleria Rusticana, the Intermezzo specifically.
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Bedrich Smetana's Die Moldau, Haendel's Organ Concerto Op 4 No. 1 G Minor played by Karl Richter & Chopin's Prelude in C Minor, Op 20 No. 28 which is very short, but also very beautiful.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGQLXRTl3Z0
Bach's Cello Suite... ahhh, nice.
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This is, by far, Mozart's most sublime composition: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVikZ8Oe_XA
All joking aside, the video does sum up Mozart and his music quite nicely. I think especially of the segment starting at 1:12 that occurs in what could be Church, where all of the vainly over-dressed lords and ladies of the 1700s peel back to reveal Mozart at the center. Yes, that captures his music perfectly, because at that center of Amadeus's music there is not Deus, but the man himself, and it is decorated very sweetly with all of the frills of 18th century architecture and dress. Mozart's music is essentially a pretty ode to the essentially vain, but still tasteful, humanity of the 18th century.
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Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture.
Good for a laugh, but Prokofiev's Dance of the Knights is funnier.
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Don't think I've seen these mentioned, but Mozart's Requiem and Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture.
I have both of these downloaded and am listening to 1812 right now.
The bells at the end make me dream of some Catholic victory.
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Pachelbel's Canon.
One of the few songs i play on the piano when I go to the local pub.
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The Rosary Sonatas[0] and Music for Mallet Instruments, Voices & Organ[1]
- [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds3UB7vOZiw[/youtube]
[1][youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naoydy7yO80[/youtube]
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Also John Cage: Thirteen Harmonies
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BowyUXyNud4[/youtube]
It's so calming.
It makes my skin crawl, Memento. I mean, I've always felt a certain kind of despair when seeing this kind of thing, people practically giving up their entire souls in that hysterical way. Hypnotism disturbs me in the same way, it just seems wrong. But since I've been learning about Satan the entire thing takes on a new dimension.
Actually, there's this disgusting video by an "artist" named "Aphex Twin" called "Windowlicker" that pretty much explains the phenomenon. In that video Satan possesses a couple of prostitutes, and when they are possessed they take on the same demonic, ugly, twisted face that Satan himself as; so that it's Satan's face on women's bodies. That's pretty much what's going on when these girls experience this mass hysteria: they are putting on the image of the Devil, they are worshipping the Beast. If you asked them why they reacted like that they would not be able to explain it to you, it's just an uncontrollable feeling that arrests them. It's part of the witchcraft that is Television. Television is a form of mindcontrol, it's more subversive than you imagine. It plants images in your head so that when you see one of these celebrities in real life, they have this kind of "divine" aura about them, like they are from another world. It's demonic.
HOW DARE YOU! Aphex twin is awesome.
Tell me this isn't beautiful:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhHkUg-QCwk[/youtube]
Thought windowlicker is a horrible song.
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This is a current favorite of mine. The composer is Michel Blavet. It is a traverso and Teorba duo. It is fantastic. It builds towards the end, and is a very impressive display. I would also argue that this flute player is the best out there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ibeb3DfnGk