Hey Mcfiggly,

I won't call you a puritan, no.  I'll take your word on all of the above, though I'd try to distinguish between useful idiots and the actual provacateurs of the New Order.  By and large pop stars are useful idiots used to propogate an agenda.  The damning effect of the music is the same either way, of course.

I won't call you a puritan, no.  I'll take your word on all of the above, though I'd try to distinguish between useful idiots and the actual provacateurs of the New Order.  By and large pop stars are useful idiots used to propogate an agenda.  The damning effect of the music is the same either way, of course.

Yes, they are useful idiots for sure. I'm almost certain that everybody that has the spotlight on them is a "useful idiot". The people at the top of the pyramid remain in the shadows, chanting to Lucifer. You don't hear about them. You have films like Eyes Wide Shut that point to them.

I can't verify this but it is likely that many of the celebrities we see are being mindcontrolled/possessed. There's a lot that points to that being the case. I believe it is the case for a lot of politicians too. There is something extremely off about Obama, for example. He will be part of the same secret societies that they are all are (like "Bohemian Grove"), but it's hard to know who runs those societies and whom are its slaves. Regardless, you can find rumors that Obama was a visitor of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ bars while he was working in Chicago as a senator. These rumors seemed credible at a glance, but I haven't looked into it. It doesn't prove that Obama is being mindcontrolled, it just reveals that he has a neurotic personality, to go around these seedy places when you are supposed to present yourself to the public as legitimate.

Looking into this stuff does serve a purpose. It shows you what evil really is. The problem is that everybody, myself included, has a tendency to block it out. We've been programmed to block this stuff out. They set-up trigger words like "conspiracy theory" so that whenever somebody hears that word their mind seizes up and they reject everything that they are hearing. Television is the most dangerous weapon that has ever existed. The internet isn't much better, but there's a tiny space, like here, where you are free.

We now know how much the NSA tracks each of us. I ought to be using a proxy, but it's probably too late. They have my identity and I'm almost definitely listed as a "potential terrorist".

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Are-you-a-suspected-terrorist

I wonder how much you have to know before they send somebody to poison you. You probably have to have sensitive information about specific people. I bet they look at people like me as searchers that are "feeling around in the dark". Well, I'm not going to get obsessed by this stuff enough to end up discovering information that is truly dangerous to know. Christ actually offered some advice for this situation:

Be at agreement with thy adversary betimes, whilst thou art in the way with him: lest perhaps the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

In other words, we aren't even supposed to hate these people behind the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr. We are supposed to pray for them and just pity them that they have been possessed by the Devil and do his work, to their eternal damnation. "Wise as serpents, harmless as doves".

About my saying that TV is the most dangerous weapon ever existed. A very practical example of this is that the Israelis, when they took over Arab territories, would broadcast pornography exclusively on their TVs, so as to subdue the male populace by making them into docile masturbators. That's pretty much what has happened everywhere.

I can reduce much of what I've said here to a principle: the sacred is good, the secular is bad. Sacred is another word for "clean", just as secular is another word for "dirty".

There is much secular art, literature, and music that are astonishing displays of wit and genius - but astonishing displays of wit and genius are filthy if they are not linked to the Divine. They are just amusing tricks for idlers, even the greats like Beethoven and Shakespeare. They are either "entertainment" - i.e., something to deaden the spirit and consciousness of those that are restless - or they are filled with occult symbols, as much of Shakespeare is. Flee all idle etertainment like its the plague, that something that I'm just now learning. You do not benefit from it at all, it just evaporates your spirit, makes it sensual and eager for immediate pleasures.

If possible at every moment in your life you should be "in communion" with God, humble before Him. Every decision and action you make should be preceded by a reflection of God's ways and the prayer, "thy will be done".

I'm only just putting my first foot down this road, so forgive me if I come across as a hypocrite when I preach about spirituality when I clearly am not as loving as I ought to be.

Also, I just noticed that this is the Teen subsection. I'm actually 21; I'm sorry if I've accidentally deceived any of you, I did not notice what subsection of the forum the thread was in, I just saw its title. I'm also sorry for hijacking the thread and making it to be about "conspiracy theory". I've done that too often today. I apologize.

Congratulations claudel, on being the first person on here discerning enough to see, or bold enough to denounce me for, my psuedointellectualism. Yes, everything I write on this forum is the fruit of lazy, half-ripe thought; but in my defence we are in the Teen Catholic Hangout subsection of an internet forum; and while that does not excuse me from my arrogance, it does somewhat make your aggressive tone seem superfluous.

Please tell me the names of a few books or essays by Adorno that you've read.

A single essay. That's all I needed to pigeonhole him as a neurotic Jєω. That, an the reputation of the Frankfurt School and its Marxism.

Can you tell me the relation, if any, between Theodor Adorno and Gabriele Adorno?

No I cannot, because I do not know whom the latter is.

Whence does your knowledge of Scientology stem? First-hand experience? Critical literature? Talk radio?

You know, hearsay.

Among how many enormous crowds of overly dressed buffoons have you sat whilst with sharpened teeth they waited to devour a pianist should he strike a wrong note? One? Two? Perhaps as many as three?

None, actually.

Have you ever listened, critically or otherwise, to Bruckner's Sixth or Ninth Symphony? By critically, I mean attentively.

I listened to the first few chords. That's all I needed to pigeonhole him as a neurotic modern composer.

Last but not least, what's wrong with pronouncing Mozart's name correctly?

Nothing; I was painting a picture of affected manners, one that seems to have rubbed you in the wrong way, unfortunately, and for that I apologize.

You do not really address my main point. My main point was that classical music, like nearly all of the culture that has come out of the last few centuries, is infected with a humanism that is antithetical to Catholicism. I do not think that your listening to Bruckner "critically, attentively" is anything to be proud of. I do not think Beethoven and Mozart have any importance, and I conveyed that meaning by saying that you could throw away their work for the sake of keeping an old folk song, for all I care. I think that the genius cult, a subsection of the humanity cult (humanism), that is popular even to this day is morally sickening. I think the humility of a Saint is more impressive than all the works of all the greatest Western composers, which is why I have such contempt for the culture of "music appreciation" and the worldly haughtiness that attends it.

However, I do need to humble myself and stop vainly pontificating on the internet. My education consists of scraps gleaned from sundry sources, and I am a pretentious know-it-all.  When I was on this forum a month ago I made a resolution not to return until I had seen a change in myself, and that resolution has been broken. I need to retire from this place once more; the reason why I am here is to fritter away time, and it's disgraceful and irresponsible of me. I've talked about a lot of the things I dislike in this thread - like snobishness - and yet here I am guilty of the same thing that I accuse others of. That's hypocrisy. I'm doubleminded and that's why I'm here: I'm failing to make a decision and so decide to be apathetic instead. Thank you for the greatly needed reminder, claudel. I keep ignoring all of the graces that God is offering me in order to feed my vanity in all sorts of ways. Please, forgive me my arrogance.

To McFiggly:


The following scriptural quote that you posted is actually a reference to purgatory:

Matthew 5:25-26

Be at agreement with thy adversary (satan - see below) betimes, whilst thou art in the way with him: lest perhaps the adversary deliver thee to the judge (Christ), and the judge deliver thee to the officer (some angelic overseer of God's justice), and thou be cast into prison (purgatory). Amen I say to thee, thou shalt not go out from thence till thou repay the last farthing.

   

Apocalypse (Revelation) 12:10

"And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying: Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: because the accuser of our brethren is cast forth, who accused them before our God day and night."


As regards the wicked, in justice they are legitimately detested:


Genesis 3:15

I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.


However, we must love them in the sense of wishing their good and that they be converted.

To McFiggly

I hardly think your self-accusation is true! But you are certainly to be honoured!

   

Proverbs 29:23

"...glory shall uphold the humble of spirit."


God bless.

Quote from: McFiggly

I listened to the first few chords. That's all I needed to pigeonhole him as a neurotic modern composer.

Ah! That Anton Bruckner was a daily communicant who lived and died in the Faith and, in his last days, dedicated his not quite completed Ninth Symphony to "dear God" ("an dem lieben Gott") cuts no mustard with you, then? You see through his pretence, which is doubtless designed to drag us all down to hell?

Quote from: McFiggly

You do not really address my main point. My main point was that classical music, like nearly all of the culture that has come out of the last few centuries, is infected with a humanism that is antithetical to Catholicism.

Of course I don't address it! You have demonstrated beyond any doubt that you haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about. Furthermore, your views about the high art of the West are clean contrary to those of Saint John Bosco and many other saints. They are also directly opposed to centuries of practice by entirely orthodox popes, cardinals, and bishops. One still-living prelate who would condemn you for pretending to knowledge and understanding you completely lack is +Richard Williamson. He greatly admires even Brahms's German Requiem, despite the fact that its composer was, at the least, a formal agnostic.

In conclusion, however, I applaud you for saying that you need to stop talking about these and similar things. Please be so good as to put your resolution into immediate effect.

claudel,

As a classically trained musician I would take the time to crush this intellectual piece of refuse, but that would entail wasting time that could otherwise be spent practicing or transmitting the beauty of four centuries of Western music to the next generation.

To you do I entrust this unpleasant task. Schoenberg is more intelligble than the refuse that leaks forth from the mouth of these barbarians.