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Offline Smedley Butler

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Remove "reputation" but keep up/down votes
« on: June 10, 2018, 07:32:41 PM »
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    • I was inspired by what Pax Vobis wrote in the Sean Johson thread:

    On social media everyone wants to be liked.

    The reputation function is being abused by people here and is the biggest drawback of CI.

    I propose:


    Remove "reputation" but keep up/down votes for individual posts.

    Then it means you only disagree with what a user wrote there. It does not become a "rating" following the user around, making it look like they are "unliked" as a person.

    Thoughts?
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    Re: Remove "reputation" but keep up/down votes
    « Reply #1 on: June 10, 2018, 09:46:18 PM »
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    • Says the person with a 1:4 upvote/downvote ratio.
    ::)

    This suggestion, if implemented, wouldn't help you out AT ALL, I know...this is purely for the good of CathInfo I'm sure.
    :jester:
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    Re: Remove "reputation" but keep up/down votes
    « Reply #2 on: June 10, 2018, 09:50:08 PM »
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    • Seriously though, I don't know what gave you the idea that CathInfo is a democracy. Did Sean Johnson's recent impertinent topics give you the inspiration? 

    CathInfo doesn't have a board or a team of mods, or any kind of popular representation. It's a good old fashioned dictatorship or monarchy.

    :cowboy: <--- I live in Texas though, so in lieu of a regular king's crown...
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    Re: Remove "reputation" but keep up/down votes
    « Reply #3 on: June 10, 2018, 10:10:36 PM »
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    • The way it is set up the system makes it seem like the older members are more popular than the newer ones. Like I have a score of +2859 -86. I apparently accuмulated a high reputation score before the system changed and afterwards I was downvoted a few times. But it makes it seem like I am ridiculously popular. New members were not given the time to accuмulate such a high reputation so there scores will be more like +100 -50. I never worried about the rating system on Cathinfo though.
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    Re: Remove "reputation" but keep up/down votes
    « Reply #4 on: June 10, 2018, 10:16:38 PM »
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    • Smedley,

    Do not despair.

    FYI, For $39.95, CI has a reputation score restoration program.

    You fill out a brief application and after review, your popularity ratio is upwardly adjusted.

    For $89.95, your reputation is totally cleansed and you become a super-hero member.

    Uh.. I feel a thumbs-down coming even though this is a joke :jester:
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    Re: Remove "reputation" but keep up/down votes
    « Reply #5 on: June 10, 2018, 11:03:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matto on June 10, 2018, 10:10:36 PM
    The way it is set up the system makes it seem like the older members are more popular than the newer ones. Like I have a score of +2859 -86. I apparently accuмulated a high reputation score before the system changed and afterwards I was downvoted a few times. But it makes it seem like I am ridiculously popular. New members were not given the time to accuмulate such a high reputation so there scores will be more like +100 -50. I never worried about the rating system on Cathinfo though.
    If only the Moderator knew this, so he could factor this into his calculations when he uses this data...
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    Re: Remove "reputation" but keep up/down votes
    « Reply #6 on: June 10, 2018, 11:06:32 PM »
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    • Reputation means something, but not necessarily high reputation. I can't think of any regular members other than roscoe I enjoy reading who don't at least break even. There are occasional trolls I enjoy reading who have a low reputation.
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    Re: Remove "reputation" but keep up/down votes
    « Reply #7 on: June 11, 2018, 08:03:37 AM »
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    • Quote from: rum on June 10, 2018, 11:06:32 PM
    Reputation means something, but not necessarily high reputation. I can't think of any regular members other than roscoe I enjoy reading who don't at least break even. There are occasional trolls I enjoy reading who have a low reputation.

    There are very distorted reputations for institutional NO dialogue members.

    For example, Poche.  He's good at setting-up contrarian views, which allow us to debate and evangelize :incense:

    It's pretty much educational, with no harm done. 

    The most brash marrano-troll I recall from long ago was "Ashmolean" on Ignis Ardens. 

    He had moderator protection, but eventually left after he was found to have posted anti-trad Catholic sentiments in a London news rag.
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    Re: Remove "reputation" but keep up/down votes
    « Reply #8 on: June 11, 2018, 08:36:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on June 10, 2018, 09:50:08 PM
    Seriously though, I don't know what gave you the idea that CathInfo is a democracy. Did Sean Johnson's recent impertinent topics give you the inspiration?

    CathInfo doesn't have a board or a team of mods, or any kind of popular representation. It's a good old fashioned dictatorship or monarchy.

    :cowboy: <--- I live in Texas though, so in lieu of a regular king's crown...
    Says the guy who promptly obeyed Jaynek's "request" last week. 
    You made it seem like your monarchy was open to suggestion with that response.
    My suggestion is sincere.  It's not about me, or my rating, as I could not care less. I know my personal rating is completely related to one specific subject.
    But Pax Vobis's observation is correct: people want to be liked on social media.  Sean Johnson flipped out because he thinks downvotes mean he is unlikable.
    My observation is also true: the "reputation" aspect of downvoting is being used punitively by users because it is under their name. The downvote is not always being used to disagree with what an individual post says. 
    I didn't expect you to do anything, but the  discussion is valid and the abuse of the function is real.
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    Re: Remove "reputation" but keep up/down votes
    « Reply #9 on: June 11, 2018, 08:52:32 AM »
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    • Gee, I never thought Sean Johnson cared about his social media profile?

    A bit ideological, maybe emotional and he likes to fight :boxer:   These qualities have distracted him.

    Sean should use his intellectual gifts to focus on topics that will help bolster the trad remnant's resolve to fight.

    His "Sodalitium Pianum" blog was an excellent example of this.



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    Re: Remove "reputation" but keep up/down votes
    « Reply #10 on: June 11, 2018, 09:08:32 AM »
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    • He gave 3 reasons for his tantrum:

    His increase in downvotes.
    The flat earth discussion.
    And the departure of gpod posters. 

    If you don't want to see a particular discussion, don't gp there. Simple. You don't see me hanging around at BOD.

    As far as where did posters leave to, that's like asking where they go from our dying chapels
     Who knows?
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    Re: Remove "reputation" but keep up/down votes
    « Reply #11 on: June 11, 2018, 02:57:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on June 11, 2018, 08:03:37 AM
    There are very distorted reputations for institutional NO dialogue members.

    For example, Poche.  He's good at setting-up contrarian views, which allow us to debate and evangelize :incense:

    It's pretty much educational, with no harm done.  

    The most brash marrano-troll I recall from long ago was "Ashmolean" on Ignis Ardens.  

    He had moderator protection, but eventually left after he was found to have posted anti-trad Catholic sentiments in a London news rag.
    I vaguely remember Ashmolean.

    I agree on your point about poche, but I still find him tiresome. graceseeker performed a similar function. The best conversation starter I've ever seen was a guy named Rosarium over on Fisheaters. He posted here and on SuscipeDomine a bit.
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    Re: Remove "reputation" but keep up/down votes
    « Reply #12 on: June 11, 2018, 03:04:16 PM »
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    • Actually, who looks at thumbs up and down and reputation and like counts?  Perhaps Matthew for purposes of monitoring the forums but, I see being concerned and upset by such things as purely a matter of pride and ego. It serves no wholesome purpose at all.  
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    Re: Remove "reputation" but keep up/down votes
    « Reply #13 on: June 11, 2018, 04:10:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on June 11, 2018, 08:36:58 AM
    Says the guy who promptly obeyed Jaynek's "request" last week.
    You made it seem like your monarchy was open to suggestion with that response.
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    No, he made it seem like his monarchy is responsive to a good idea suggested by a member, which it is.
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    Re: Remove "reputation" but keep up/down votes
    « Reply #14 on: June 11, 2018, 04:12:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on June 11, 2018, 09:08:32 AM
    He gave 3 reasons for his tantrum:

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    And how about your tantrum -- any reasons for you to be cranky? Or is that your normal state?
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