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Pronunciation of "pies" on Canada's CBC?
« on: October 20, 2021, 07:00:27 PM »
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  • This should probably go in "general discussion", but since that forum is closed for adding content, this would be the next best thing, because it was kind of funny.  Kazimierz, I'm looking to you for enlightenment on this, as our resident Canadian (or possibly one of them).

    The Roku Channel has recently added a CBC News channel, and they were doing a story about Thanksgiving.  I know I was not hallucinating, and when the reported mentioned pumpkin pies, he pronounced it "pumpkin PEES".  No joke!

    I'm pretty sure he was a South Asian Canadian.  Is this an alternate pronunciation of "pie" in Canada?  Or I had to wonder if he had learned English as a second language, was unfamiliar with the concept of "pie" --- maybe they don't have them where he comes from, and he's never had the pleasure of eating it in North America --- and thought it was pronounced "pee".

    It's not as outlandish (no pun intended) as it sounds.  I have a friend who calls the de facto national dish of Britain "chicken TIKI masala".   She conflated it with the Polynesian word and I didn't have the heart to correct her.



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    Re: Pronunciation of "pies" on Canada's CBC?
    « Reply #1 on: October 21, 2021, 03:50:09 PM »
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  • This should probably go in "general discussion", but since that forum is closed for adding content, this would be the next best thing, because it was kind of funny.  Kazimierz, I'm looking to you for enlightenment on this, as our resident Canadian (or possibly one of them).

    The Roku Channel has recently added a CBC News channel, and they were doing a story about Thanksgiving.  I know I was not hallucinating, and when the reported mentioned pumpkin pies, he pronounced it "pumpkin PEES".  No joke!

    I'm pretty sure he was a South Asian Canadian.  Is this an alternate pronunciation of "pie" in Canada?  Or I had to wonder if he had learned English as a second language, was unfamiliar with the concept of "pie" --- maybe they don't have them where he comes from, and he's never had the pleasure of eating it in North America --- and thought it was pronounced "pee".

    It's not as outlandish (no pun intended) as it sounds.  I have a friend who calls the de facto national dish of Britain "chicken TIKI masala".  She conflated it with the Polynesian word and I didn't have the heart to correct her.
    Could be a weird part of Maritimes dialect? I tend to pronounce it pa-iiiiii, like in the South. :@) Everyone I know here and in the US pronounces it pie and not pee. :cowboy:
    If a pumpkin pees, then it has been drinking too much orange soda. Orange soda is the bait you use to lure esp jack o lanterns so they can de dispatched easily. :laugh1:

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    Re: Pronunciation of "pies" on Canada's CBC?
    « Reply #2 on: October 22, 2021, 06:28:19 AM »
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  • Could be a weird part of Maritimes dialect? I tend to pronounce it pa-iiiiii, like in the South. :@) Everyone I know here and in the US pronounces it pie and not pee. :cowboy:
    If a pumpkin pees, then it has been drinking too much orange soda. Orange soda is the bait you use to lure esp jack o lanterns so they can de dispatched easily. :laugh1:


    I would be surprised if this South Asian guy grew up in Halifax (or possibly Newfoundland) and learned that dialect pronunciation of "pie", if indeed it exists, but anything's possible, I suppose.  My money says he was reading off a teleprompter (or something) and either had a brain fart or just didn't know the word.  Something like either scenario is more possible if English isn't your first language.

    We are right now dissecting our family tree using AncestryDNA and 23andMe, as part of our homeschool science class, trying to unstring the spaghetti of English and Scots-Irish lineages.  My dear father, up until fairly recent years --- don't know why he changed --- pronounced the word "body" as "bye-dee", and I think I heard his mother pronounce it the same way.  Sounds kind of Scottish to me.  (She had a kind-of-Irish-sounding maiden name.)

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    Re: Pronunciation of "pies" on Canada's CBC?
    « Reply #3 on: October 22, 2021, 12:07:28 PM »
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  • I would be surprised if this South Asian guy grew up in Halifax (or possibly Newfoundland) and learned that dialect pronunciation of "pie", if indeed it exists, but anything's possible, I suppose.  My money says he was reading off a teleprompter (or something) and either had a brain fart or just didn't know the word.  Something like either scenario is more possible if English isn't your first language.

    We are right now dissecting our family tree using AncestryDNA and 23andMe, as part of our homeschool science class, trying to unstring the spaghetti of English and Scots-Irish lineages.  My dear father, up until fairly recent years --- don't know why he changed --- pronounced the word "body" as "bye-dee", and I think I heard his mother pronounce it the same way.  Sounds kind of Scottish to me.  (She had a kind-of-Irish-sounding maiden name.)
    English is interesting in the sense that sometimes it does not sound like it makes sense, but there is beauty in such oddity.
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    Re: Pronunciation of "pies" on Canada's CBC?
    « Reply #4 on: October 22, 2021, 12:19:30 PM »
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  • I think accents are interesting too. What's funny is that some of them are just WRONG.

    One comedian joked that you can have a southern accent -- until you learn to read. Then you're like "huh? There's no R in wash? Where does the R sound come from then?"

    So not all accents are created equal. Some are just objectively wrong, I think.

    The Aussies have some rational points, for example when they criticize us Yanks for not pronouncing the "l" in solder.
    Or when they pronounce "cache" with a long A -- after all, there IS an e at the end of it!  Of course, the Americans could retort that "cach" would be CATCH (as in a hard CH) if there was no E at the end. If it was cash/cashe the Aussies would have a better case.
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    Re: Pronunciation of "pies" on Canada's CBC?
    « Reply #5 on: October 22, 2021, 07:32:02 PM »
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  • I think accents are interesting too. What's funny is that some of them are just WRONG.

    One comedian joked that you can have a southern accent -- until you learn to read. Then you're like "huh? There's no R in wash? Where does the R sound come from then?"

    So not all accents are created equal. Some are just objectively wrong, I think.

    The Aussies have some rational points, for example when they criticize us Yanks for not pronouncing the "l" in solder.
    Or when they pronounce "cache" with a long A -- after all, there IS an e at the end of it!  Of course, the Americans could retort that "cach" would be CATCH (as in a hard CH) if there was no E at the end. If it was cash/cashe the Aussies would have a better case.
    Actually, "warsh" is more of an Appalachian thing, than Southern per se.  They're different, trust me, I am intimately familiar with both areas.

    The South, properly understood, does not really begin until you cross the northern boundaries of Tennessee and North Carolina (sorry, Virginia, you're sui generis), and even then, it's a matter of degree.  Places such as Knoxville, the Tri-Cities in far eastern Tennessee, and Boone, North Carolina, are "more Southern than they are anything else", but you're still not "all the way home".  It's Southern Appalachia.  "The Southern thing" is pretty much established probably 50 miles north of Charlotte, before then it's kind of fuzzy.  Charlotte and Raleigh are Yankee colonies.