Author Topic: My Novus Ordo Priest has told me to not to discuss why with SSPX (Read 8731 times)

poche · « **Reply #15 on:** June 23, 2013, 10:39:48 PM »

Quote from: PatrickG

If you mean 'First Aid' I am sorry, but I don't know why you want to know my age. I don't think my comment was childish.

In answer to your question, not very - I'm quite a young man. I can't remember the Council. I don't see what my youth has to do with the point, though. If you think I sound a bit... hypocritical as a young man talking about 'holding the fort', I base those comments on my experience living about two hundred miles from the nearest Tridentine Mass. I've no intention of dragging the discussion to a personal level, but I hope my comment is not hot air.

I didn't mean you. I meant the original poster.

Luker · « **Reply #16 on:** June 24, 2013, 02:54:04 PM »

Hmmm, the OP still only has one post, no responses to his/her thread. Hit and run trollage?

Luke

Napoli · « **Reply #17 on:** June 24, 2013, 04:06:04 PM »

Yep.

FirstAid · « **Reply #18 on:** July 02, 2013, 02:06:38 AM »

Okay I do not quite remember all of the responses. What is a troll? I am 19 but some specialist that my parents took me to says that some parts of my brain were measured at the age of 10.5 when I was 15. I don't know if that is true or not anymore. My family is traditional but the aunties uncles and anyone else are all novus ordo or just nothing.

I go by statistics 1.2 billion Catholics out there are more or less novus ordo. I do not even know if SSPX are even Catholic anymore. Sometimes I hate my parents other times I am confused. I want my brothers out out of the school because one priest there was so strict about me. I tell the Novus Ordo Priest everything. The novus ordo priest I go to thinks that the school is very bad and he scares me. The psychologist that I go to is worried that my home is the problem for them. My memory is bad and I am worried that I may have been overreacting too.

SoldierOfChrist · « **Reply #19 on:** July 02, 2013, 02:20:28 AM »

Quote from: FirstAid

Okay I do not quite remember all of the responses. What is a troll? I am 19 but some specialist that my parents took me to says that some parts of my brain were measured at the age of 10.5 when I was 15. I don't know if that is true or not anymore. My family is traditional but the aunties uncles and anyone else are all novus ordo or just nothing.

I go by statistics 1.2 billion Catholics out there are more or less novus ordo. I do not even know if SSPX are even Catholic anymore. Sometimes I hate my parents other times I am confused. I want my brothers out out of the school because one priest there was so strict about me. I tell the Novus Ordo Priest everything. The novus ordo priest I go to thinks that the school is very bad and he scares me. The psychologist that I go to is worried that my home is the problem for them. My memory is bad and I am worried that I may have been overreacting too.

If your psychologist is trying to turn you against your parents, then your psychologist is the problem.

Tiffany · « **Reply #20 on:** July 02, 2013, 07:17:41 AM »

Quote from: Ryan

Quote from: FirstAid
Okay I do not quite remember all of the responses. What is a troll? I am 19 but some specialist that my parents took me to says that some parts of my brain were measured at the age of 10.5 when I was 15. I don't know if that is true or not anymore. My family is traditional but the aunties uncles and anyone else are all novus ordo or just nothing.

I go by statistics 1.2 billion Catholics out there are more or less novus ordo. I do not even know if SSPX are even Catholic anymore. Sometimes I hate my parents other times I am confused. I want my brothers out out of the school because one priest there was so strict about me. I tell the Novus Ordo Priest everything. The novus ordo priest I go to thinks that the school is very bad and he scares me. The psychologist that I go to is worried that my home is the problem for them. My memory is bad and I am worried that I may have been overreacting too.

If your psychologist is trying to turn you against your parents, then your psychologist is the problem.

I want my brothers out out of the school because one priest there was so strict about me.

Is this an SSPX school? How do you know this NO priest?

It's good you want to protect your brother. Have you talked to your parents about what happened with this priest?

MiserereMeiDeus · « **Reply #21 on:** July 02, 2013, 12:59:31 PM »

Dear FirstAid,

For almost 2000 years the Catholic Church taught what Jesus taught, and never contradicted itself. When Vatican II happened, some bad men got control of the docuмent-writing, and changed much of what the Church always taught. BUT, the truth does not change! The SSPX still teaches what the Church always taught. The Novus Ordo "Newchurch" is the one that isn't even Catholic anymore! (Sorry if I sound like I'm "talking down" to you. I'm just trying to make the argument as clear and straightforward as possible.)

Jehanne · « **Reply #22 on:** July 02, 2013, 05:34:51 PM »

Quote from: FirstAid

I do not even know if SSPX are even Catholic anymore.

Find some theological reasons to support your assertions! If the SSPX are "not Catholic," then exactly, what, are they? And, if the SSPX priests cannot validly hear confessions, why is Rome giving SSPX priests the faculties to absolve certain excommunicable sins which are reserved to the Holy See?

Napoli · « **Reply #23 on:** July 02, 2013, 08:23:22 PM »

You will all have noticed that there have been quite a few interesting members join this forum recently. I guess that would explain firstaid and many others migrating from FE with there liberal bent.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #24 on:** July 03, 2013, 02:15:24 PM »

FirstAid is a DEFINITELY a teenager.

Teenagers generally go with the crowd.

The novus ordo does have approx. 1.2 billion allegedly enrolled members. But I can' t really vouch for worldwide numbers because accounting methods vary so wildly. And how could we really verify any numbers in a substantial way from Nigeria or even South America. Sometimes even American parishes have lousy bookkeeping.

In the U.S., there are approx. 70 million novus ordites. But those include all the baptized. When it comes to weekly Mass attendance (I know, the novus ordo has a worship service, not a Mass) the percentage is right around 20 percent.

The true count for novus ordites in the U.S. is around 14 million.

So, yes, 14 million novus ordites is still larger than the approx. 1 million Traditional Catholics so to a crowd following teen, these numbers determine truth.

Traditional Catholics, and the SSPX is in this group, follow the Catholic Faith as it was handed down all the way from the apostles.

Novus ordites are followers of a church invented by Guissepe Montini in the mid-1960's.

Napoli · « **Reply #25 on:** July 03, 2013, 02:29:50 PM »

Even if you accept the novus ordo. I doubt of that 14 million, even 1 million make regular use of the sacraments and truly believe in the real presence. So, the numbers are a little more even than what appears.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #26 on:** July 03, 2013, 03:50:09 PM »

Napoli,

My post was merely about numbers. The difference is clear to see.

The novus ordites who attend "mass" are all at a man-centered worship "experience" to either be seen or to hang out with other "friendly" people. Visit a novus ordo church on a Sunday morning, not to participate, but just to see all the vacant looks in people's eyes. They are so disconnected from Catholicism they wouldn't have a clue.

Notice after the service how everyone leaves at exactly the same time. It doesn't occur to any of them that there should be post-mass prayers.

The novus ordo is a spiritual wasteland.

FirstAid · « **Reply #27 on:** July 04, 2013, 08:31:55 AM »

My parents did speak to the priest and the headmaster of the SSPX school I attended. The headmaster told them that he did not send anyone into have conversations to try and trick me into saying I was no longer Catholic or to try and record the conversations on a phone. The other priest said that the reason they did a room search was because the questions that I was asking were too "out of my depth" but they seemed quite happy after they spoke to him too. I did hide a Richard Dawkins book in my room whilst I was at the school. I felt I had the right to read the other side of the story in order to have a balanced point of view.

Jehanne · « **Reply #28 on:** July 04, 2013, 08:42:09 AM »

Quote from: FirstAid

I felt I had the right to read the other side of the story in order to have a balanced point of view.

I have read Dawkins' The God Delusion several times and have wrote about it on my blog:

http://unamsanctamecclesiamcatholicam.blogspot.com/2011/04/adam-eve-were-absolutely-real-as-was.html

There's nothing wrong with reading atheistic writings, if one realizes that there are "opposing sides" to their arguments. Some young people only read atheistic writings (which they, no doubt, get from their parents), and as a consequence, most of them are atheist! This is the problem with some unbelievers and heretics -- they are often excellent "sweet talkers" and can mislead many away from the One True Faith, at least until their fallacious arguments and reasoning is exposed. As many young people are not fully mature in their Catholic faith, I would not recommend reading atheistic authors, at least without the guidance of a spiritual advisor.

Napoli · « **Reply #29 on:** July 04, 2013, 05:26:55 PM »

I agree captain.

What I was trying to say is that the novus ordo church is not large. A billion is a ridiculous number. I believe there are adherents to that sect that want to find the truth and are attempting to live a holy life. We need to pray for that few million that they come into the traditional church before its too late.