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Traditional Catholic Faith => Funny Stuff for Catholics => Topic started by: DominvsSabaoth on September 01, 2013, 04:52:22 PM
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My Archdiocesan vocations director responded to my email! i'm on my way to discerning the priesthood formally!
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Please don't become a Novus Ordo priest.
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Don't discern it at a Novus Ordo seminary. The ones who aren't queers are ultimately modernists, and if you persevere in your studies to become ordained, the person performing the ceremony is a doubtful bishop and he will ordain with a suspect rite.
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Don't discern it at a Novus Ordo seminary. The ones who aren't queers are ultimately modernists, and if you persevere in your studies to become ordained, the person performing the ceremony is a doubtful bishop and he will ordain with a suspect rite.
No, no. you guys don't quite understand. My vocations director regularly celebrates the tlm! I want to recieve formation at OLG Seminary and be ordained in the tlm to serve the church! Killing modernism from the inside...I'll bring new orthodoxy and breadth of teaching to my diocese! i'm so happy. i'm stil in high school, but one day...
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Don't discern it at a Novus Ordo seminary. The ones who aren't queers are ultimately modernists, and if you persevere in your studies to become ordained, the person performing the ceremony is a doubtful bishop and he will ordain with a suspect rite.
No, no. you guys don't quite understand. My vocations director regularly celebrates the tlm! I want to recieve formation at OLG Seminary and be ordained in the tlm to serve the church! Killing modernism from the inside...I'll bring new orthodoxy and breadth of teaching to my diocese! i'm so happy. i'm stil in high school, but one day...
You don't get to 'choose' your ordination rite.
And it is questionable that the person doing the ordination will be a validly consecrated bishop.
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Sigh, fighting from within. Haven't you seen what that's accomplished with the FSSP, the ICK, and the other traditional orders?
Have fun with that.
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Sigh, fighting from within. Haven't you seen what that's accomplished with the FSSP, the ICK, and the other traditional orders?
Have fun with that.
Somebody needs to explain the 'obedience' canard to him. As in "out of obedience, you will celebrate the 'Ordinary' form" or "Out of obedience you will celebrate an inclusive Mass with more of the faithful as EM's and communion under both species"
Good luck with that indeed.
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But I can go inside and say the ef, even make the no look more like the ef. I'll fire the EMs and tell the altar girls to beat it.
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But I can go inside and say the ef, even make the no look more like the ef. I'll fire the EMs and tell the altar girls to beat it.
I also applied for the novus ordo conciliar church priesthood with the same ideas as you, but when I learned more about how the church hierarchy hates tradition, as in, the way it allows only fake traditional masses, but still with the same Vatican 2 poison at every opportunity, I changed my mind and now research the CMRI.
Don't make some big mistake you will regret, go join the SSPX or the CMRI, at least then you will be ordained properly by valid bishops.
As a priest in the conciliar church, you will have to mention the pope at your mass and in your sermons. Are you going to sell all the faithful out by propaganda for everything he does? He is not the pope. Look into the matter. He is a formal heritic and hates the Catholic faith, he is probably a freemason.
You cant change the church from the inside when its authorities will suppress any traditional catholic faith in you. Besides you will be placed amidst fαɢɢօts.
All those who stayed as priests in the novus ordo despite all that has gone on cannot justify their position, they have sold us out just for the sake of a uniform.
Go join CMRI.
I wish there was cmri in my country. Look into the matter before you make a big mistake and incur grave sin for idolatry and heresy and membership of a non catholic cult.
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But I can go inside and say the ef, even make the no look more like the ef. I'll fire the EMs and tell the altar girls to beat it.
I also applied for the novus ordo conciliar church priesthood with the same ideas as you, but when I learned more about how the church hierarchy hates tradition, as in, the way it allows only fake traditional masses, but still with the same Vatican 2 poison at every opportunity, I changed my mind and now research the CMRI.
Don't make some big mistake you will regret, go join the SSPX or the CMRI, at least then you will be ordained properly by valid bishops.
As a priest in the conciliar church, you will have to mention the pope at your mass and in your sermons. Are you going to sell all the faithful out by propaganda for everything he does? He is not the pope. Look into the matter. He is a formal heritic and hates the Catholic faith, he is probably a freemason.
You cant change the church from the inside when its authorities will suppress any traditional catholic faith in you. Besides you will be placed amidst fαɢɢօts.
All those who stayed as priests in the novus ordo despite all that has gone on cannot justify their position, they have sold us out just for the sake of a uniform.
Go join CMRI.
I wish there was cmri in my country. Look into the matter before you make a big mistake and incur grave sin for idolatry and heresy and membership of a non catholic cult.
TCat. Are you aware the CMRI is a sedevacantist group. One of their members declared himself an antipope. Just research it. His name was Francis Schuckardt. He was their founder. The order is built on insanity and nonsense. If your going that route you might as well become a feminist Episcopalian vicar who opposes traditional marriage. The FSSP is an option, as is the ICKSP. But not the CMRI ever, and probably not the SSPX until they are reconciled with Rome.
Do not join the CMRI, they are sedevacantists. The see of rome is occupied by Franciscus Primus. The CMRI is the same as David Bawden and Palmar de troya. Do not have anything to do with the CMRI
The SSPX and the mainstream church are far better options
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But I can go inside and say the ef, even make the no look more like the ef. I'll fire the EMs and tell the altar girls to beat it.
I also applied for the novus ordo conciliar church priesthood with the same ideas as you, but when I learned more about how the church hierarchy hates tradition, as in, the way it allows only fake traditional masses, but still with the same Vatican 2 poison at every opportunity, I changed my mind and now research the CMRI.
Don't make some big mistake you will regret, go join the SSPX or the CMRI, at least then you will be ordained properly by valid bishops.
As a priest in the conciliar church, you will have to mention the pope at your mass and in your sermons. Are you going to sell all the faithful out by propaganda for everything he does? He is not the pope. Look into the matter. He is a formal heritic and hates the Catholic faith, he is probably a freemason.
You cant change the church from the inside when its authorities will suppress any traditional catholic faith in you. Besides you will be placed amidst fαɢɢօts.
All those who stayed as priests in the novus ordo despite all that has gone on cannot justify their position, they have sold us out just for the sake of a uniform.
Go join CMRI.
I wish there was cmri in my country. Look into the matter before you make a big mistake and incur grave sin for idolatry and heresy and membership of a non catholic cult.
TCat. Are you aware the CMRI is a sedevacantist group. One of their members declared himself an antipope. Just research it. His name was Francis Schuckardt. He was their founder. The order is built on insanity and nonsense. If your going that route you might as well become a feminist Episcopalian vicar who opposes traditional marriage. The FSSP is an option, as is the ICKSP. But not the CMRI ever, and probably not the SSPX until they are reconciled with Rome.
Do not join the CMRI, they are sedevacantists. The see of rome is occupied by Franciscus Primus. The CMRI is the same as David Bawden and Palmar de troya. Do not have anything to do with the CMRI
The SSPX and the mainstream church are far better options
Well then let me ask you a question, since you appear to be in the same boat as me:
First of all.
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Do you accept that the posters here are of good will, do you think that i have some malovelence towards you so you do not need to take me seriously?
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Do you have a problem with the heresies of the Vatican leadership?
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Do you acknowledge that the leaders of religious orders and those in charge of training priests, are believers in heresy and have got their high positions because of the revolution in the church and they being collaberators with it?
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Does a true pope put a beach ball and t shirt on the alter?
Does he refuse to be called pope?
Does he bow to muslim queens?
Does he write books that deny Catholic dogma?
Does he wash the feet of muslim women?
Does he kiss children on their mouths?
etc
Francis is an outrageous heretic, he contradicts many Catholic dogmas, he is probably a freemason, he has the support of freemason lodges.
He is trying to change what the religion stands for.
Anyone who is part of the Vatican 2 church will have their faith destroyed from within.
You simply cannot resist as a frail human mind these relentless onslaughts of heresies and subtle anti-Catholic atmospheres that will be all around you in the seminary.
Ive met leaders of religious orders in the V2 sect, and they contradict virtually everything the church stands for!
I argued with them and this is why I could not join.
Also maybe they didn't want me because i was NOT a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ liberal Catholic, since I was talking about tradition and the Latin mass.
Any traditional minded person in the V2 church is suppressed.
Find this out sooner or later.
There is no changing it from the inside.
It is you who will change because you will be forced to or youre out.
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But I can go inside and say the ef, even make the no look more like the ef. I'll fire the EMs and tell the altar girls to beat it.
I also applied for the novus ordo conciliar church priesthood with the same ideas as you, but when I learned more about how the church hierarchy hates tradition, as in, the way it allows only fake traditional masses, but still with the same Vatican 2 poison at every opportunity, I changed my mind and now research the CMRI.
Don't make some big mistake you will regret, go join the SSPX or the CMRI, at least then you will be ordained properly by valid bishops.
As a priest in the conciliar church, you will have to mention the pope at your mass and in your sermons. Are you going to sell all the faithful out by propaganda for everything he does? He is not the pope. Look into the matter. He is a formal heritic and hates the Catholic faith, he is probably a freemason.
You cant change the church from the inside when its authorities will suppress any traditional catholic faith in you. Besides you will be placed amidst fαɢɢօts.
All those who stayed as priests in the novus ordo despite all that has gone on cannot justify their position, they have sold us out just for the sake of a uniform.
Go join CMRI.
I wish there was cmri in my country. Look into the matter before you make a big mistake and incur grave sin for idolatry and heresy and membership of a non catholic cult.
TCat. Are you aware the CMRI is a sedevacantist group. One of their members declared himself an antipope. Just research it. His name was Francis Schuckardt. He was their founder. The order is built on insanity and nonsense. If your going that route you might as well become a feminist Episcopalian vicar who opposes traditional marriage. The FSSP is an option, as is the ICKSP. But not the CMRI ever, and probably not the SSPX until they are reconciled with Rome.
Do not join the CMRI, they are sedevacantists. The see of rome is occupied by Franciscus Primus. The CMRI is the same as David Bawden and Palmar de troya. Do not have anything to do with the CMRI
The SSPX and the mainstream church are far better options
Well then let me ask you a question, since you appear to be in the same boat as me:
First of all.
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Do you accept that the posters here are of good will, do you think that i have some malovelence towards you so you do not need to take me seriously?
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Do you have a problem with the heresies of the Vatican leadership?
3
Do you acknowledge that the leaders of religious orders and those in charge of training priests, are believers in heresy and have got their high positions because of the revolution in the church and they being collaberators with it?
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Does a true pope put a beach ball and t shirt on the alter?
Does he refuse to be called pope?
Does he bow to muslim queens?
Does he write books that deny Catholic dogma?
Does he wash the feet of muslim women?
Does he kiss children on their mouths?
etc
Francis is an outrageous heretic, he contradicts many Catholic dogmas, he is probably a freemason, he has the support of freemason lodges.
He is trying to change what the religion stands for.
Anyone who is part of the Vatican 2 church will have their faith destroyed from within.
You simply cannot resist as a frail human mind these relentless onslaughts of heresies and subtle anti-Catholic atmospheres that will be all around you in the seminary.
Ive met leaders of religious orders in the V2 sect, and they contradict virtually everything the church stands for!
I argued with them and this is why I could not join.
Also maybe they didn't want me because i was NOT a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ liberal Catholic, since I was talking about tradition and the Latin mass.
Any traditional minded person in the V2 church is suppressed.
Find this out sooner or later.
There is no changing it from the inside.
It is you who will change because you will be forced to or youre out.
1. I do accept posters here are of good will, and yes, you do deserve to be taken seriously.
2. I think that heresy is a word to be thrown at clerics by other clerics. Yes I agree that there is a gαy faction in the Vatican that has been threatening and terrorizing each pope since john the twenty-third into destroying the fiber of our church
3. Some, perhaps, but not all. Many people inside of orthodox institutions teach some heresy, and vice versa.
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Does a true pope put a beach ball and t shirt on the alter? sure, but its not a very popely thing to do
Does he refuse to be called pope? I wouldn't see why
Does he bow to muslim queens? the vicar of Christ shouldn't bow to anyone, especially a feminist infidel, but this has nothing to do with his validity as pope
Does he write books that deny Catholic dogma? If you are talking about the writings of JPII extra ecclessiam nulla salus has had slightly different interpretations throughout church history
Does he wash the feet of muslim women? This is certaintly unrubrical and the media had a field day kissing his papal bottom for this
Does he kiss children on their mouths? seems unsanitary and weird. but in many European cultures a kiss is viewed differently than it is in the USA. There it has few romantic connotations. It is odd and I don't like that papal practice
etc
5 and if you are talking about francis schudkart you are absolutely right. He is a heretic
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the valid tlm is usually sspx or diocesan or fssp or icksp. go there
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I didn't mention shukhart, but anyways
I wont get much time to talk to you about this, but I am interested in what becomes of you if you have any success in your mission.
People have broken away from the Vatican, bishops and priests included, and formed their own societies ( where Vatican 2 is not implemented)
SSPX CMRI SSPV
They broke away for a reason.
The SSPX could not operate inside the "church" because the hierarchy was forcing all this liberalism on them and demanding they say the novus ordo mass.
The seminaries were overrun back then with liberal ideas, and still are id imagine ( I know lots of novus ordo priests), and so they had to start their own.
they did not break away for no reason. They could not survive as traditional Catholics within the structure.
If you take me seriously then consider this.
I know some traditional minded priests who are part of the Vatican 2 "church". They can say the TLM, but they must also say the novus ordo.
If someone told them to use alter girls, they would have no choice, they would have to "fall in line with Vatican 2". They would have to get ley people to hand out communion, give communion in the hand, and let them do readings.
They would also have to promote the pope as a great and wise noble leader
... but he isint. He is trying to change Catholic religion.
Look at the website Traditioninaction.org for more insight into the Vatican 2 church.
I am 28, I changed my mind about becoming a Vatican 2 priest / monk. Now I don't know what I will do. I just cant, absolutely cannot, no way, be a part of a church that acts and believes like this.
Real Catholic people have broken away and continued the Catholic church, pure and undiluted, for a reason, the Vatican has betrayed us all and sold us out.
This is what I think anyway and my position will not change, because I had the same ideas as you and put them into practice and know lots of priests and met monks and spoke about this subject to them, and the truth is you will be suppressed and forced to be a liberal, there is no way around it.
edit: I mean to say I put it into practice by trying to convert priests to tradition. They were having none of it. I was never a religious myself. just to clear that up.
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I didn't mention shukhart, but anyways
I wont get much time to talk to you about this, but I am interested in what becomes of you if you have any success in your mission.
People have broken away from the Vatican, bishops and priests included, and formed their own societies ( where Vatican 2 is not implemented)
SSPX CMRI SSPV
They broke away for a reason.
The SSPX could not operate inside the "church" because the hierarchy was forcing all this liberalism on them and demanding they say the novus ordo mass.
The seminaries were overrun back then with liberal ideas, and still are id imagine ( I know lots of novus ordo priests), and so they had to start their own.
they did not break away for no reason. They could not survive as traditional Catholics within the structure.
If you take me seriously then consider this.
I know some traditional minded priests who are part of the Vatican 2 "church". They can say the TLM, but they must also say the novus ordo.
If someone told them to use alter girls, they would have no choice, they would have to "fall in line with Vatican 2". They would have to get ley people to hand out communion, give communion in the hand, and let them do readings.
They would also have to promote the pope as a great and wise noble leader
... but he isint. He is trying to change Catholic religion.
Look at the website Traditioninaction.org for more insight into the Vatican 2 church.
I am 28, I changed my mind about becoming a Vatican 2 priest / monk. Now I don't know what I will do. I just cant, absolutely cannot, no way, be a part of a church that acts and believes like this.
Real Catholic people have broken away and continued the Catholic church, pure and undiluted, for a reason, the Vatican has betrayed us all and sold us out.
This is what I think anyway and my position will not change, because I had the same ideas as you and put them into practice and know lots of priests and met monks and spoke about this subject to them, and the truth is you will be suppressed and forced to be a liberal, there is no way around it.
edit: I mean to say I put it into practice by trying to convert priests to tradition. They were having none of it. I was never a religious myself. just to clear that up.
I don't like the NO usually, nor altar girls, or communion in the hand, but the best place to change those things is from the inside of the church
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People will listen if you are associated with the one true church. The church is a lady, and right now she's wearing too much ugly make up. We need to get her to a sink to wash up, but she won't unless we tell her how beautiful she used to be
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Well,
I wont say that the people who go to the Vatican 2 church don't want to hear tradition, because many do.
But
I will say that you wont be allowed act in a traditional manner, now that Vatican 2 is elevated to the level of an absolute.
You will be suppressed and probably kicked out of seminary for not being liberal enough.
But let me know what happens to you, because I had this same idea myself not to long ago. I just finally made my mind up to not compromise and join in with the other people who also do not compromise.
You will find that if you ever break away from the Vatican 2 church, that you face an abyss, but the apostles also faced an abyss, and they stayed true.
The Vatican 2 church did not stay true, and it will continue to go anti-Catholic as time goes by. I don't think it is out of the question that they will start to use women as priests in the next 20 years or so. Chastity for religious also will be done away with.
If the "church" does certain things, then they do not come from the true church.
But let me know what happens to you. I will pray for you as well.
Btw.
This is a Benedictine exorcism prayer:
"Vade retro Satana! Numquam suade mihi vana!
Sunt mala quae libas!
Ipse veneum bibas!!"
( Begone Satan! Don't tempt me with your vanities!
What you offer me is evil!
Drink the poison yourself!)
Pax+++
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But I can go inside and say the ef, even make the no look more like the ef. I'll fire the EMs and tell the altar girls to beat it.
I also applied for the novus ordo conciliar church priesthood with the same ideas as you, but when I learned more about how the church hierarchy hates tradition, as in, the way it allows only fake traditional masses, but still with the same Vatican 2 poison at every opportunity, I changed my mind and now research the CMRI.
Don't make some big mistake you will regret, go join the SSPX or the CMRI, at least then you will be ordained properly by valid bishops.
As a priest in the conciliar church, you will have to mention the pope at your mass and in your sermons. Are you going to sell all the faithful out by propaganda for everything he does? He is not the pope. Look into the matter. He is a formal heritic and hates the Catholic faith, he is probably a freemason.
You cant change the church from the inside when its authorities will suppress any traditional catholic faith in you. Besides you will be placed amidst fαɢɢօts.
All those who stayed as priests in the novus ordo despite all that has gone on cannot justify their position, they have sold us out just for the sake of a uniform.
Go join CMRI.
I wish there was cmri in my country. Look into the matter before you make a big mistake and incur grave sin for idolatry and heresy and membership of a non catholic cult.
TCat. Are you aware the CMRI is a sedevacantist group. One of their members declared himself an antipope. Just research it. His name was Francis Schuckardt. He was their founder. The order is built on insanity and nonsense. If your going that route you might as well become a feminist Episcopalian vicar who opposes traditional marriage. The FSSP is an option, as is the ICKSP. But not the CMRI ever, and probably not the SSPX until they are reconciled with Rome.
Do not join the CMRI, they are sedevacantists. The see of rome is occupied by Franciscus Primus. The CMRI is the same as David Bawden and Palmar de troya. Do not have anything to do with the CMRI
The SSPX and the mainstream church are far better options
Whoa whoa whoa!
1) They're a sedevacantist group, so what? This isn't Catholic Answers or Fisheaters. You're on a board with sedevacantists, sedevacantist sympathizers, and traditional Catholics who are more concerened with whether or not someone is Catholic than if they think there's a pope.
2) The sins of Schuckhardt are the sins of Schuckhardt, not the sins of the CMRI. Funny that you, who claim loyalty to apostates as being representative of the One, True Church would malign a traditional group because it's founder was a lunatic.
3) Go ahead and prove 'their order' is built on nonesense.
4) The idea that you would conflate a traditional society with feminist episcopalians shows that you are either ignorant, or of bad will, and judging by your plan to 'infiltrate' the Novus Ordo and make it more 'EF' I'm going to go with ignorant. This is such a base and calumnious charge, and you ought to be ashamed.
5) FSSP and ICKSP are compromisers with modernism. Allegiance to 'Rome' is meaningless when Rome is filled with heretics and apostates.
6) Again with the ridiculous comparisons of CMRI to David Bawden and the Palmarians. You simply don't know what you're talking about, you need to take a step back and spend some time reading about these issues.
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Well,
I wont say that the people who go to the Vatican 2 church don't want to hear tradition, because many do.
But
I will say that you wont be allowed act in a traditional manner, now that Vatican 2 is elevated to the level of an absolute.
You will be suppressed and probably kicked out of seminary for not being liberal enough.
But let me know what happens to you, because I had this same idea myself not to long ago. I just finally made my mind up to not compromise and join in with the other people who also do not compromise.
You will find that if you ever break away from the Vatican 2 church, that you face an abyss, but the apostles also faced an abyss, and they stayed true.
The Vatican 2 church did not stay true, and it will continue to go anti-Catholic as time goes by. I don't think it is out of the question that they will start to use women as priests in the next 20 years or so. Chastity for religious also will be done away with.
If the "church" does certain things, then they do not come from the true church.
But let me know what happens to you. I will pray for you as well.
Btw.
This is a Benedictine exorcism prayer:
"Vade retro Satana! Numquam suade mihi vana!
Sunt mala quae libas!
Ipse veneum bibas!!"
( Begone Satan! Don't tempt me with your vanities!
What you offer me is evil!
Drink the poison yourself!)
Pax+++
Ok...I recognize that the church is in a time of trouble, but guess what? There are many diocesan priests who are excited about the tradition of the church, the new generation of seminarians are more conservative, more orthodox, and some are more traditional.
Modernism is a fad. Modern alludes to the present. Tradition alludes to what is forever good, and forever right.
Even if you are pessimistic, TCat, our church is improving, it may still be run by modernists, but we got good theology from BXVI. He was a fan of the tlm. Francis is a social justice fanatic. he wont undo it
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People will listen if you are associated with the one true church. The church is a lady, and right now she's wearing too much ugly make up. We need to get her to a sink to wash up, but she won't unless we tell her how beautiful she used to be
Laymen do not affect the Church. She is what she is, and your comparison of her as wearing ugly make-up shows that you, like Michael Voris and many others, view the crisis as one of cosmetics; the result of a few dissident bishops here and there, but nothing that can't be fixed by a traditional airbrush. The Novus Ordo is fine, VII is fine, the 1983 CIC is fine, they just all need a little bit of trad varnish. Dear friend, you are sadly mistaken. The rot is substantial, and the Novus Ordo along with all it's pomps is a violent break from the Catholic religion.
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Don't discern it at a Novus Ordo seminary. The ones who aren't queers are ultimately modernists, and if you persevere in your studies to become ordained, the person performing the ceremony is a doubtful bishop and he will ordain with a suspect rite.
No, no. you guys don't quite understand. My vocations director regularly celebrates the tlm! I want to recieve formation at OLG Seminary and be ordained in the tlm to serve the church! Killing modernism from the inside...I'll bring new orthodoxy and breadth of teaching to my diocese! i'm so happy. i'm stil in high school, but one day...
Your heart is in the right place, but the method that you are set on will destroy you, as it has destroyed everyone up to this point.
Modernism? Where do you think you'll find modernism? It is the very foundation of the New Church. It is not simply a heresy that a few dissident bishops and liberal clergyman adhere to privately. It is the public policy of every single New Church official, and it permeates some worse than others. VII and the Novus Ordo are the height of the Modernist revolution against the Church. This program is the most evil and insidious weapon that Satan could turn against God's Church. There can be no compromise with VII and the NO, and if you take the New Church seminary route, not only will you be forced to compromise with these terrible doctrines and liturgy, you will be forced to appreciate and acknowledge their legitimacy. God forbid!
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I recognize their legitimacy, I just protest the fact they are legitimate. The NO sacraments are valid, albeit a poor reflection of the teaching of the church. The NO mass is both usually irreverent and usually involves lukewarm teaching. The people of the church deserve more than that. I will not be involved in the fringe which wants to keep such good things out of the VII church
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N.B., these are not rhetorical questions that follow. Please answer them.
I recognize their legitimacy, I just protest the fact they are legitimate.
You recognize they are legitimate and you protest that they are legitimate? Which is it?
The NO sacraments are valid, albeit a poor reflection of the teaching of the church.
And has been said before, validity is not the issue. Eastern Schismatics have valid sacraments. Are they Catholic? If not, explain what the Novus Ordo has that the Liturgy of St John Chrysostom doesn't.
The NO mass is both usually irreverent and usually involves lukewarm teaching. The people of the church deserve more than that. I will not be involved in the fringe which wants to keep such good things out of the VII church
Since you brought up the CMRI and the SSPX, why don't you show what doctrines they believe that contradict the Catholic faith. What you (correctly) call the VII Church is not the Catholic Church, because it has substantially different teachings, including religious liberty and ecuмenism.
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N.B., these are not rhetorical questions that follow. Please answer them.
I recognize their legitimacy, I just protest the fact they are legitimate.
You recognize they are legitimate and you protest that they are legitimate? Which is it?
The NO sacraments are valid, albeit a poor reflection of the teaching of the church.
And has been said before, validity is not the issue. Eastern Schismatics have valid sacraments. Are they Catholic? If not, explain what the Novus Ordo has that the Liturgy of St John Chrysostom doesn't.
The NO mass is both usually irreverent and usually involves lukewarm teaching. The people of the church deserve more than that. I will not be involved in the fringe which wants to keep such good things out of the VII church
Since you brought up the CMRI and the SSPX, why don't you show what doctrines they believe that contradict the Catholic faith. What you (correctly) call the VII Church is not the Catholic Church, because it has substantially different teachings, including religious liberty and ecuмenism.
see here: http://www.johnthebaptist.us/jbw_english/docuмents/refutations/rjmi/rr20_trip_to_cmri_sspx.pdf
refutation of sspx and cmri. I don't agree with all their points
The novus ordo in and of itself isn't bad if it is celebrated using the latin, ad orientem position, and taking all routes available to avoid lay participation
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I'm guessing that you linked to Ibranyi? Cathinfo breaks up links to his site. Because he is a lunatic. He is your authority for maligning traditional Catholics? I think even you know that is laughable.
You still need to answer the other questions regarding legitimacy, and also the Eastern Schismatics. You would attend the liturgies of Schismatics, right? I mean, they're valid.
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The novus ordo in and of itself isn't bad if it is celebrated using the latin, ad orientem position, and taking all routes available to avoid lay participation
Overall, it's short and easy to read: The Great Sacrilege (http://www.dailycatholic.org/indextgs.htm)
Well worth the half a day or so that it'll take you to read it - please, do read it.
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I'm guessing that you linked to Ibranyi? Cathinfo breaks up links to his site. Because he is a lunatic. He is your authority for maligning traditional Catholics? I think even you know that is laughable.
You still need to answer the other questions regarding legitimacy, and also the Eastern Schismatics. You would attend the liturgies of Schismatics, right? I mean, they're valid.
Yea, sure I would attend the liturgies of schismatics. If it was my only choice. I have a spiritual need for the tlm, so if the sspx or a reasonable independent chapel was my only choice, i'd go there. I however, am a son of NO parents. They are very patient with my traditional Catholicism, and even my lectures. Also, the eastern schismatics have valid episcopal sucession. They are schismatics, and that is to be admonished, but they are part of the church, as are all baptized people who are not heathens
Those who pretend to be baptized, but are not valid Christians include:
Jehovah's Witnesses
Mormons
Palmarians
etc
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The novus ordo in and of itself isn't bad if it is celebrated using the latin, ad orientem position, and taking all routes available to avoid lay participation
Overall, it's short and easy to read: The Great Sacrilege (http://www.dailycatholic.org/indextgs.htm)
Well worth the half a day or so that it'll take you to read it - please, do read it.
I looked at it. But I saw the title "Chapter Four part one: The "New Mass" of Baal" and decided no
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In all honesty, I believe most sspv and cmri traditionalists are earnest and good willed. I just believe that on occasions, hate for the magisterium of the visible church overshadows their virtues
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after looking further into ibranyi, he hates more people than the dimonds
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They are schismatics, and that is to be admonished, but they are part of the church, as are all baptized people who are not heathens
I think you should know that most sins do not kick you out of the Church, but those who commit the sins of heresy and schism and apostasy are actually cut off from the Church, so it is wrong to say that schismatics are a part of the Church.
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They are schismatics, and that is to be admonished, but they are part of the church, as are all baptized people who are not heathens
I think you should know that most sins do not kick you out of the Church, but those who commit the sins of heresy and schism and apostasy are actually cut off from the Church, so it is wrong to say that schismatics are a part of the Church.
but if there is not a pope how is there a church?
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They are schismatics, and that is to be admonished, but they are part of the church, as are all baptized people who are not heathens
I think you should know that most sins do not kick you out of the Church, but those who commit the sins of heresy and schism and apostasy are actually cut off from the Church, so it is wrong to say that schismatics are a part of the Church.
but if there is not a pope how is there a church?
DS, there have been more than 250 popes in the history of the Church. And each time one of them dies, the Church is without a pope. Sometimes the interegnum (the time between popes) lasts longer than other times. But if you think the Church depends upon a pope, then you must also think the Church has ceased to exist over 250 times. The pope is simply the human representative of God's Church on earth. The Church's true head is Jesus Christ; and the Church is His Mystical Bride.
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But I can go inside and say the ef, even make the no look more like the ef. I'll fire the EMs and tell the altar girls to beat it.
How old are you?
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They are schismatics, and that is to be admonished, but they are part of the church, as are all baptized people who are not heathens
I think you should know that most sins do not kick you out of the Church, but those who commit the sins of heresy and schism and apostasy are actually cut off from the Church, so it is wrong to say that schismatics are a part of the Church.
but if there is not a pope how is there a church?
DS, there have been more than 250 popes in the history of the Church. And each time one of them dies, the Church is without a pope. Sometimes the interegnum (the time between popes) lasts longer than other times. But if you think the Church depends upon a pope, then you must also think the Church has ceased to exist over 250 times. The pope is simply the human representative of God's Church on earth. The Church's true head is Jesus Christ; and the Church is His Mystical Bride.
alright. one question,
are you a bawdenist? a sirianist?
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They are schismatics, and that is to be admonished, but they are part of the church, as are all baptized people who are not heathens
I think you should know that most sins do not kick you out of the Church, but those who commit the sins of heresy and schism and apostasy are actually cut off from the Church, so it is wrong to say that schismatics are a part of the Church.
but if there is not a pope how is there a church?
DS, there have been more than 250 popes in the history of the Church. And each time one of them dies, the Church is without a pope. Sometimes the interegnum (the time between popes) lasts longer than other times. But if you think the Church depends upon a pope, then you must also think the Church has ceased to exist over 250 times. The pope is simply the human representative of God's Church on earth. The Church's true head is Jesus Christ; and the Church is His Mystical Bride.
alright. one question,
are you a bawdenist? a sirianist?
You're asking if I think David Bawden or Cardinal Siri are pope? No.
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They are schismatics, and that is to be admonished, but they are part of the church, as are all baptized people who are not heathens
I think you should know that most sins do not kick you out of the Church, but those who commit the sins of heresy and schism and apostasy are actually cut off from the Church, so it is wrong to say that schismatics are a part of the Church.
but if there is not a pope how is there a church?
DS, there have been more than 250 popes in the history of the Church. And each time one of them dies, the Church is without a pope. Sometimes the interegnum (the time between popes) lasts longer than other times. But if you think the Church depends upon a pope, then you must also think the Church has ceased to exist over 250 times. The pope is simply the human representative of God's Church on earth. The Church's true head is Jesus Christ; and the Church is His Mystical Bride.
alright. one question,
are you a bawdenist? a sirianist?
You're asking if I think David Bawden or Cardinal Siri are pope? No.
good. at least you don't think mommy, daddy, and best buddy are valid papal electors
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In any event, neither Siri or Bawden ever kissed the Koran, drank ceremonial Pagan potions, praised false religions, celebrated Hanukkah, participated in false worship, or replaced a crucifix on a high altar with a statue of Buddah.
No, those honors go to the conciliar pontiffs.
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In all honesty, I believe most sspv and cmri traditionalists are earnest and good willed. I just believe that on occasions, hate for the magisterium of the visible church overshadows their virtues
They hate the conciliar magesterium because it is not Catholic. It teaches that non-Christian religions are means of salvation, that man has a right to choose a false religion, and that Catholics should participate in worship with non-Catholics: all of these ideas and behaviors have been condemned by prior teachings to be mortally sinful.
Fidelity to the conciliar magesterium which is not Catholic is a great way to sign your soul over to the devil.
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In any event, neither Siri or Bawden ever kissed the Koran, drank ceremonial Pagan potions, praised false religions, celebrated Hanukkah, participated in false worship, or replaced a crucifix on a high altar with a statue of Buddah.
No, those honors go to the conciliar pontiffs.
I don't like any of those things
however I still admire jpii for overcoming communism and nαzιsm
I look up to Francis for his social justice
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But I can go inside and say the ef, even make the no look more like the ef. I'll fire the EMs and tell the altar girls to beat it.
Delusions of grandeur. Beware!
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But I can go inside and say the ef, even make the no look more like the ef. I'll fire the EMs and tell the altar girls to beat it.
Delusions of grandeur. Beware!
Well, I suppose they could be seen that way if you want
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"The Great Sacrilege" is too much for your tender sensibilties just now. I can understand that.
Maybe you could start out with something more gentle like "The Rhine Flows into the Tiber" or some of the writings of Abp Lefebvre.
But did you come here to learn?
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"The Great Sacrilege" is too much for your tender sensibilties just now. I can understand that.
Maybe you could start out with something more gentle like "The Rhine Flows into the Tiber" or some of the writings of Abp Lefebvre.
But did you come here to learn?
no doubt, friend, but I have no idea where to acess the works of Lefebvre.
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"The Great Sacrilege" is too much for your tender sensibilties just now. I can understand that.
Maybe you could start out with something more gentle like "The Rhine Flows into the Tiber" or some of the writings of Abp Lefebvre.
But did you come here to learn?
no doubt, friend, but I have no idea where to acess the works of Lefebvre.
This would be a good and immediate start: http://www.sspxasia.com/Docuмents/Archbishop-Lefebvre/OpenLetterToConfusedCatholics/
I am sure others here will be able to give you more information about online or paper versions. You must read Abp Lefebvre before you dismiss SSPX or at least what it was once.
God bless you!
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My Archdiocesan vocations director responded to my email! i'm on my way to discerning the priesthood formally!
I am happy for you. I hope you get it.
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My Archdiocesan vocations director responded to my email! i'm on my way to discerning the priesthood formally!
I am happy for you. I hope you get it.
as a novus ordo priest?? Isint there enough of them around?
Any sense of tradition he has will be breeded out of him.
He will be a liberal sponge just like the rest of the novus ordo.
No, the only way for him to nurture his Catholicism was to join the SSPX SSPV or CMRI, especially at such an impressionable young age. The novus ordo will brainwash him with the "spirit of Vatican 2".
If he really values tradition and ever becomes a priest (not ordained properly) then he will be heading for a split with the conciliars, either that or he compromises his principles, which if he had done so for the 8 years of priest training, he will find easy and will just go with the flow.
No benefit to the true church and no loss to humanity what he does.
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My Archdiocesan vocations director responded to my email! i'm on my way to discerning the priesthood formally!
I am happy for you. I hope you get it.
as a novus ordo priest?? Isint there enough of them around?
Any sense of tradition he has will be breeded out of him.
He will be a liberal sponge just like the rest of the novus ordo.
No, the only way for him to nurture his Catholicism was to join the SSPX SSPV or CMRI, especially at such an impressionable young age. The novus ordo will brainwash him with the "spirit of Vatican 2".
If he really values tradition and ever becomes a priest (not ordained properly) then he will be heading for a split with the conciliars, either that or he compromises his principles, which if he had done so for the 8 years of priest training, he will find easy and will just go with the flow.
No benefit to the true church and no loss to humanity what he does.
No, there are not enough priests around. We need more good priests. I remember when Fr Zavalniuk was the only priest for Modavia. The communists complained. With 150 Orthodox churches and 200 Orthodox priests the one who gave them more trouble than all of these combined was the Catholic priest Fr Zavalniuk.
The Devil made a similar complaint about St John Vianney while he was alive. I hope that they say the same thing about DominusSabaoth.
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My Archdiocesan vocations director responded to my email! i'm on my way to discerning the priesthood formally!
I am happy for you. I hope you get it.
as a novus ordo priest?? Isint there enough of them around?
Any sense of tradition he has will be breeded out of him.
He will be a liberal sponge just like the rest of the novus ordo.
No, the only way for him to nurture his Catholicism was to join the SSPX SSPV or CMRI, especially at such an impressionable young age. The novus ordo will brainwash him with the "spirit of Vatican 2".
If he really values tradition and ever becomes a priest (not ordained properly) then he will be heading for a split with the conciliars, either that or he compromises his principles, which if he had done so for the 8 years of priest training, he will find easy and will just go with the flow.
No benefit to the true church and no loss to humanity what he does.
No, there are not enough priests around. We need more good priests. I remember when Fr Zavalniuk was the only priest for Modavia. The communists complained. With 150 Orthodox churches and 200 Orthodox priests the one who gave them more trouble than all of these combined was the Catholic priest Fr Zavalniuk.
The Devil made a similar complaint about St John Vianney while he was alive. I hope that they say the same thing about DominusSabaoth.
He will neither be ordained validly nor say the true mass.
Nor will he get an education on the Catholic faith.
He will get mush instead. and will turn into mush.
:rahrah: :guitar: :jester: :clown: :cowboy: :rahrah:
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But I can go inside and say the ef, even make the no look more like the ef. I'll fire the EMs and tell the altar girls to beat it.
I also applied for the novus ordo conciliar church priesthood with the same ideas as you, but when I learned more about how the church hierarchy hates tradition, as in, the way it allows only fake traditional masses, but still with the same Vatican 2 poison at every opportunity, I changed my mind and now research the CMRI.
Don't make some big mistake you will regret, go join the SSPX or the CMRI, at least then you will be ordained properly by valid bishops.
As a priest in the conciliar church, you will have to mention the pope at your mass and in your sermons. Are you going to sell all the faithful out by propaganda for everything he does? He is not the pope. Look into the matter. He is a formal heritic and hates the Catholic faith, he is probably a freemason.
You cant change the church from the inside when its authorities will suppress any traditional catholic faith in you. Besides you will be placed amidst fαɢɢօts.
All those who stayed as priests in the novus ordo despite all that has gone on cannot justify their position, they have sold us out just for the sake of a uniform.
Go join CMRI.
I wish there was cmri in my country. Look into the matter before you make a big mistake and incur grave sin for idolatry and heresy and membership of a non catholic cult.
TCat. Are you aware the CMRI is a sedevacantist group. One of their members declared himself an antipope. Just research it. His name was Francis Schuckardt. He was their founder. The order is built on insanity and nonsense. If your going that route you might as well become a feminist Episcopalian vicar who opposes traditional marriage. The FSSP is an option, as is the ICKSP. But not the CMRI ever, and probably not the SSPX until they are reconciled with Rome.
Do not join the CMRI, they are sedevacantists. The see of rome is occupied by Franciscus Primus. The CMRI is the same as David Bawden and Palmar de troya. Do not have anything to do with the CMRI
The SSPX and the mainstream church are far better options
You're going to have to experience things yourself, based on what you've posted here. I do not want you to enter a conciliar seminary, but you shall be in my prayers.
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My Archdiocesan vocations director responded to my email! i'm on my way to discerning the priesthood formally!
I am happy for you. I hope you get it.
Still a troll, I see.
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Today my heart raced due to panic attack from attending my uncle's novus ordo funeral.
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Today my heart raced due to panic attack from attending my uncle's novus ordo funeral.
May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.
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They are schismatics, and that is to be admonished, but they are part of the church, as are all baptized people who are not heathens
I think you should know that most sins do not kick you out of the Church, but those who commit the sins of heresy and schism and apostasy are actually cut off from the Church, so it is wrong to say that schismatics are a part of the Church.
but if there is not a pope how is there a church?
"The Church is where the Faith is." -- Saint Athanasius
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I was contemplating the FSSP for a while...
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Contemplate an society that can at least ensure you're validly ordained.
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Contemplate an society that can at least ensure you're validly ordained.
Voila: the Fraternitas Sacerdotalis Sancti Petri
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Contemplate an society that can at least ensure you're validly ordained.
Voila: the Fraternitas Sacerdotalis Sancti Petri
As we've discussed, the seminarians of the FSSP (as with the ICKSP) are ordained by NewChurch bishops who were consecrated using the problematic 1968 Episcopal Rite.
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Contemplate an society that can at least ensure you're validly ordained.
Voila: the Fraternitas Sacerdotalis Sancti Petri
As we've discussed, the seminarians of the FSSP (as with the ICKSP) are ordained by NewChurch bishops who were consecrated using the problematic 1968 Episcopal Rite.
That's your opinion. If they have been consecrated by a valid bishop they are valid. they might not be licit in your way of thinking, but their orders are valid
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FSSP is problematic.
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FSSP is problematic.
I disagree
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If you become a newchurch "priest" you will be responsible for leading many souls to hell because you will be a false shepherd (a wolf) and hell is the only place the new-church leads people to, even their more conservative parts like the FSSP or the ICK.
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If you become a newchurch "priest" you will be responsible for leading many souls to hell because you will be a false shepherd (a wolf) and hell is the only place the new-church leads people to, even their more conservative parts like the FSSP or the ICK.
First of all, No. The Visible Catholic church is the one led by Francis in Rome. We may not like its decisions, but we must obey
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When the blind lead the blind both fall into the pit.
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When the blind lead the blind both fall into the pit.
you are the spirit of VII
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Whatever. I warned you for your own good. Go ahead and learn the hard way or never learn at all.
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I hate to say it, but Antipope Michael, The CMRI, the Palmarians, and the SSPV are all schismatics
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I hate to say it but Pope Francis is a schismatic for being in the conciliar new-church instead of the Catholic Church.
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I hate to say it but Pope Francis is a schismatic for being in the conciliar new-church instead of the Catholic Church.
okay...just admit that the sspv, cmri, and antipope Michael are heretics
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Today my heart raced due to panic attack from attending my uncle's novus ordo funeral.
May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.
Thank you and God bless you.
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If you become a newchurch "priest" you will be responsible for leading many souls to hell because you will be a false shepherd (a wolf) and hell is the only place the new-church leads people to, even their more conservative parts like the FSSP or the ICK.
First of all, No. The Visible Catholic church is the one led by Francis in Rome. We may not like its decisions, but we must obey
We must obey God; not man.
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I hate to say it, but Antipope Michael, The CMRI, the Palmarians, and the SSPV are all schismatics
And the biggest schismatics are these liberal American Bishops and cardinals and the liberal hierarchy in Rome. They destroyed the Mass and made man centered. They Uncrowned Our Lord Jesus Christ. They closed down historic churches, 1,000 year old Cathedrals and Catholic schools and replaced them with ugly godless buildings built by the greed. They fail to repent for the rapes and molestations of innocent little children. Then they lied and covered up. This is why they kiss up to false religions because they are being blackmailed by UN. Many priests are having sex with men and/or women.
Vows of poverty humility chastity are broken. Those vows no longer exist. They no longer have to take oath against modernism. Vatican 2 is the have it your way religion which loves all religion even Witchcraft and paganism athesists but have hate and hostility to traditional Catholicism.
Most Vatican 2 Catholics and clergy are liberals pushing for same sex marriage, abortion, ecuмenicism, Etc.
Most Vatican 2 give love and "obedience" to man instead of God. And those few Vatican 2 Catholics and clergy who love God, Our Blessed Mother and the true Catholic faith and Mass are being severely persecuted, shunned from the enemies within the Church.
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I hate to say it but Pope Francis is a schismatic for being in the conciliar new-church instead of the Catholic Church.
okay...just admit that the sspv, cmri, and antipope Michael are heretics
What are their heresies?
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I'm not going to obey the Pope if it goes against God and the teachings of the Church and puts my soul in jeopardy. St Thomas aquinas says we are to correct him if he is error. Of course we pray for our Pope's conversion back to the faith.
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Didn't realize I was in teen hangout. Bye.
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I hate to say it but Pope Francis is a schismatic for being in the conciliar new-church instead of the Catholic Church.
okay...just admit that the sspv, cmri, and antipope Michael are heretics
And why don't you admit that Francis is a heretic? The priest of the SSPV and CMRI aren't leading souls to Hell. Michael can't be an anti-pope because he isn't a pope at all. One can't declare themselves a pope. To include Michael with the SSPV and CMRI is grossly unfair! There are no pretenders in the SSPV or CMRI.
Why are you on this forum? It's apparent by your posts that you're not here to learn, but only to sow discord. Might you be the true definition of a troll?
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Is it possible for a forum member to be banned for dogmatic norvus ordo-ism?
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I think he is a troll as well, he spins wheels!
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Is it possible for a forum member to be banned for dogmatic norvus ordo-ism?
:laugh2: I've got relatives that claim that everyone else is saved EXCEPT traditional Catholics.
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:laugh2: I've got relatives that claim that everyone else is saved EXCEPT traditional Catholics.
That's funny. Those damned neo-nαzιs! :roll-laugh2:
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:laugh2: I've got relatives that claim that everyone else is saved EXCEPT traditional Catholics.
That's funny. Those damned neo-nαzιs! :roll-laugh2:
Well, wouldn't it be hypocritical of them to assert against their own religion, that people that aren't Catholic can't be saved, when the Novus Ordo religion teaches they can be? So someone must go to hell, right? Must be those darned Traditional Catholics that don't ascribe to the Novus Ordo religion.
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Well then let me ask you a question...
Does a true pope put a beach ball and t shirt on the alter?
Does he refuse to be called pope?
Does he bow to muslim queens?
Does he write books that deny Catholic dogma?
Does he wash the feet of muslim women?
Does he kiss children on their mouths?
etc
You forget, "Does a Pope pray, and celebrate Jєωιѕн holidays, with Christ-hating Jews?"
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Ignore the troll.
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Well then let me ask you a question...
Does a true pope put a beach ball and t shirt on the alter?
Does he refuse to be called pope?
Does he bow to muslim queens?
Does he write books that deny Catholic dogma?
Does he wash the feet of muslim women?
Does he kiss children on their mouths?
etc
You forget, "Does a Pope pray, and celebrate Jєωιѕн holidays, with Christ-hating Jews?"
the pope has been known to pray in communion with heathens
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It's not Catholic. And it breaks God's commandment of not worshipping false gods.
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A Catholic Pope doesn't pray with enemies of Christ.
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You are talking like a schismatic and we know what Jesus does to them!
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I'm not a schismatic.
Athesists deny God and/ or organized religion pope Francis recently told athesists that they don't have to believe in God order to go to Heaven.
He was wishy washy in regards to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity.
You pray for enemies of Christ. (Not with them).
Yes Pope Pius v was right. Lukewarm Catholics are to blame for the evils of the world.
Also St. John C. Said that Hell will be lined with the skull and bones of Catholic priests, bishops, popes, nuns.
We will pray for you
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dont let this thread die