[Jaynek]

I'm not buddy-buddy with crypto-Jews, feminists, and other riff-raff.

Do you actually know any crypto-Jews or do you just falsely accuse others as you have accused me?

[Hatchc]

I think the thing that has intrigued me about Walty for a while is that he is so rarely attacked. He has this politician's ability to stay off the radar and pass himself off as the reasonable, thoughtful type. That puts him on my radar.

I wonder if he comes from a political family, or maybe his dad is a lawyer.

Or maybe he really is thoughtful and reasonable.

Nah. I ruled out that possibility long ago.  

I'd characterize Walty/Louis IX as careful and clever.

[Hatchc]

I'm not buddy-buddy with crypto-Jews, feminists, and other riff-raff.

Do you actually know any crypto-Jews or do you just falsely accuse others as you have accused me?

I'm sure I know some. Any Jews who convert to the Church and yet reject the teaching that Jews are enemies of the Faith can be justifiably accused of being crypto-Jews.

[Walty]

Walty, that's the reply I was expecting. It's so reasonable.

Is reason a vice?  Would it have pleased you more if it was unreasonable?

[Walty]

I think the thing that has intrigued me about Walty for a while is that he is so rarely attacked. He has this politician's ability to stay off the radar and pass himself off as the reasonable, thoughtful type. That puts him on my radar.

I wonder if he comes from a political family, or maybe his dad is a lawyer.

Hahaha.  My father is a plumber.

[Hatchc]

Walty, that's the reply I was expecting. It's so reasonable.

Is reason a vice?  Would it have pleased you more if it was unreasonable?

You missed the sarcasm.

Is he a lawyerly plumber?

[Jaynek]

I'm not buddy-buddy with crypto-Jews, feminists, and other riff-raff.

Do you actually know any crypto-Jews or do you just falsely accuse others as you have accused me?

I'm sure I know some. Any Jews who convert to the Church and yet reject the teaching that Jews are enemies of the Faith can be justifiably accused of being crypto-Jews.

I do not reject the Church's teaching that Jews are the enemy of the Faith.  I believe it in the sense that the Church meant it.  I believe it is imprudent to says that Jews are the enemies of Catholics in situations in which it is likely to be misunderstood.  This is a position that any traditional Catholic might hold.  It is not evidence that I am a crypto-Jew.  

[Jaynek]

I think the thing that has intrigued me about Walty for a while is that he is so rarely attacked. He has this politician's ability to stay off the radar and pass himself off as the reasonable, thoughtful type. That puts him on my radar.

I wonder if he comes from a political family, or maybe his dad is a lawyer.

Or maybe he really is thoughtful and reasonable.

Nah. I ruled out that possibility long ago.  

I'd characterize Walty/Louis IX as careful and clever.

I do not think that you are a good judge of character.

[Hatchc]

I'm not buddy-buddy with crypto-Jews, feminists, and other riff-raff.

Do you actually know any crypto-Jews or do you just falsely accuse others as you have accused me?

I'm sure I know some. Any Jews who convert to the Church and yet reject the teaching that Jews are enemies of the Faith can be justifiably accused of being crypto-Jews.

I do not reject the Church's teaching that Jews are the enemy of the Faith.  I believe it in the sense that the Church meant it.  I believe it is imprudent to says that Jews are the enemies of Catholics in situations in which it is likely to be misunderstood.  This is a position that any traditional Catholic might hold.  It is not evidence that I am a crypto-Jew.  

What other sense is it meant?

And you changed your tune. That's not what you say on that thread.

[Hatchc]

"Being anti-Jєωιѕн is not an important part of Catholicism.  It is a form of bigotry and Catholicism is much better off without it."

"Well it is a good thing that I did not run into people saying that the core of Catholicism is being anti-Jєωιѕн before I became Catholic.  I probably would never have joined the Church."

http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3452856.60.html

No one on that thread said it was the core of Catholicism, but it is a part of the core of Catholicism.

[Hatchc]

I don't know what to tell you.  I'm buddy-buddy with a lot of folks that I disagree with, some of them quite passionately so.  I'm not going to go into details on any of the people you've mentioned because they aren't here (in this thread or on this forum) to speak for themselves, but I disagree with Jayne and Erin much, much more often than I agree with them.

I also spoke out against the treatment of Telesphorus on FE.  I thought what happened there was shameful.

I suppose I can see why you'd find me shifty.  Of course, I don't think I am that way.  Diplomatic?  Sure, but I don't think at the expense of speaking the truth in charity, whether that offends or not.  I think that the way I post may give the illusion that I'm more moderate than I really am.  I've become quite disillusioned recently with being needlessly inflammatory and sarcastic.  Unfortunately, there's a lot of that on every trad fora around.

I personally find INP to be an inspiration in that regard.  The guy doesn't lay down when it comes to doctrine by any stretch of the imagination, but you'll never catch him getting personal digs in just because someone disagrees with him.  That's few and far between.

Some people mistake that for being light on the faith.  I don't think that's a fair assessment in the slightest, but I suppose you can be the judge of that.

I'm not buddy-buddy with crypto-Jews, feminists, and other riff-raff. I don't know what to tell you. You are one of them. You may be the oiliest person on any of these forums.

If you think what happened to Telesphorus is so shameful then why are you on such good terms with KK?

You're slithery.

Why hasn't Walty replied to this?

I'm really curious to know why such a thoughtful and reasonable guy such as he would be buddy-buddy with one of the ringleaders of what he considers a shameful episode on FE.

You're a moral fraud, Walty.

[Jaynek]

I'm not buddy-buddy with crypto-Jews, feminists, and other riff-raff.

Do you actually know any crypto-Jews or do you just falsely accuse others as you have accused me?

I'm sure I know some. Any Jews who convert to the Church and yet reject the teaching that Jews are enemies of the Faith can be justifiably accused of being crypto-Jews.

I do not reject the Church's teaching that Jews are the enemy of the Faith.  I believe it in the sense that the Church meant it.  I believe it is imprudent to says that Jews are the enemies of Catholics in situations in which it is likely to be misunderstood.  This is a position that any traditional Catholic might hold.  It is not evidence that I am a crypto-Jew.  

What other sense is it meant?

And you changed your tune. That's not what you say on that thread.

It is exactly what I said on that thread: see post

JayneK:
The phrase, "the Jews are our enemies" has appeared in this thread without qualifier more than once.  On its own, it is an unclear and misleading statement.  It can even be said by people who believe something antithetical to Church teaching.

Graham:
Ah, but what about context, Jayne ? LOL Very convenient for you.

Like it or not, you've changed your tune over the course of our discussion here. I haven't, but I won't push the point, since we're now in agreement. The Jews are our enemies, and they are also dear to God. My work is done.

JayneK:
As I recall the context, it was first introduced by Barbara and I do not think she would agree that modern Jews are also dear to God.

I do not think it is prudent to say something that needs a whole bunch of explanation every time it gets said and will possibly be misunderstood as having an offensive meaning.  Especially when, If it is misunderstood, it has a good chance of interfering with drawing souls to Christ.  Just because it is technically true in a specific sense does not mean it is a good idea to say it.

[Jaynek]

"Being anti-Jєωιѕн is not an important part of Catholicism.  It is a form of bigotry and Catholicism is much better off without it."

"Well it is a good thing that I did not run into people saying that the core of Catholicism is being anti-Jєωιѕн before I became Catholic.  I probably would never have joined the Church."

http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3452856.60.html

No one on that thread said it was the core of Catholicism, but it is a part of the core of Catholicism.

Anyone who reads the entire thread can see that I hold a traditional Catholic understanding of Jews and Judaism.  You take little bits out of context to try to make it appear otherwise.  

[Jaynek]

I'm really curious to know why such a thoughtful and reasonable guy such as he would be buddy-buddy with one of the ringleaders of what he considers a shameful episode on FE.

You're a moral fraud, Walty.

I cannot speak for Walty, but I too argued strenuously against KK in that thread. I do not hold it against KK now because it happened years ago and KK has changed a lot since then.  He has different positions on many topics (more SSPX) and is generally more mature.  

[LaramieHirsch]

I don't know what to tell you.  I'm buddy-buddy with a lot of folks that I disagree with, some of them quite passionately so...

Why hasn't Walty replied to this?

I'm really curious to know why such a thoughtful and reasonable guy such as he would be buddy-buddy with one of the ringleaders of what he considers a shameful episode on FE.

You're a moral fraud, Walty.

Why would he?

Why would anyone?