Author Topic: Inspiring Words by Pope Francis (Read 3774 times)

osfhank · « **on:** March 24, 2015, 08:48:52 AM »

Repriinted from https://ourfranciscanfiat.wordpress.com
Pope Francis recently spoke some beautiful, inspiring words, in his Meeting with the Clergy, Men and Women Religious and Permanent Deacons gathered in the Cathedral in Naples. Although no English translation had been posted, I could get the gist of it through an automated online translator. I’d like to share some of what I found most touching:
“You spoke of the lack of vocations, but testimony is one of the things that attracts vocations. “I want to be like that priest, I want to be like a nun:” The testimony of life. A comfortable life, a social life doesn't help us.
Fraternity is not easy in the convent…The devil tempts us always with jealousy, envy, dislikes, likes, so many things that do not help us to make a real brotherhood and so we give a testimony of division between us.” The pope went on to speak against gossip in community.
Reading these remarks reminded me of a threefold check system I once heard to use in deciding whether or not to say something: “Is it true? Is it nice? Is it necessary?” You should be able to answer in the affirmative to at least two of these questions, or else you should leave the thing unsaid.
The pope also spoke of the necessity of joy and of its role in drawing others to Christ and to the Gospel.
“The joy of my life is full, the joy of having chosen well, the joy that I see every day that the Lord is faithful to me. When I’m not faithful to the Lord, I access to the Sacrament of Reconciliation.” Pope Francis also stressed the importance of adoration and worship, not just always asking for things.
He further remarked that “the Church is not an NGO, but it is the bride of Christ, which has the greatest treasure: Jesus. And her mission, her reason to exist is this: to evangelize, that is to bring Jesus. Worship, love for the Church and being missionary are simultaneously important, the Pope shared.
He also said that “You should always find time to stay in front of the Tabernacle, stand there in silence, [to see] Jesus’ gaze, which renews and revives us. And if your stand before Jesus troubles us a little, it is a good sign…” We want to be open “channels” through which flows the love and grace of God, not putting ourselves in the middle, only to become the “screens” that do not facilitate the encounter with the Lord…Your daily gratitude to God finds expression in the desire to attract hearts to Him, and to accompany them on the journey.”

BTNYC · « **Reply #1 on:** March 24, 2015, 10:14:20 AM »

That's nice.

Were you similarly "inspired" when he condemned Catholics faithful to the Church's Traditions as "self-absorbed promethean neopelagian(s)... those who ultimately trust only in their own powers and feel superior to others because they observe certain rules or remain intransigently faithful to a particular Catholic style from the past"?

Or when he contemptuously mocked the piety of some poor souls who offered him the spiritual treasure of 3,525 rosaries by saying: "one feels as if one goes back 60 years! Before the Council... One feels in 1940.... Why don't they say, 'we pray for you, we ask...', but this thing of counting.."?

Or when he shirked his duty as Supreme Pontiff to judge in matters of Faith and Morals by saying "Who am I to judge" with respect to Sodomites?

Or when he profaned the altar in the Basilica of St, Mary Major by placing a beach ball and soccer jersey on it?

Or when he approved the Synod's interim relatio which proposed the diabolical notion of "valuing the sɛҳuąƖ orientation" of those who commit the Sin Against Nature that Cries to Heaven for Vengeance - even ordering this relatio to be distributed around the world despite its having been voted against by the Synod's voting bishops?

Or when he chastised a faithful Catholic woman for doing her God-given duty to bear children with the vulgar, undignified admonition against "breeding like rabbits"?

Were you similarly "inspired" by these "beautiful" "touching" words and deeds of the Supreme Pontiff (or rather, as he insists, the Bishop of Rome)?

Charlemagne · « **Reply #2 on:** March 24, 2015, 01:37:44 PM »

Yep, Francis is one helluva guy!

Nadir · « **Reply #3 on:** March 24, 2015, 05:09:13 PM »

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Yep, Francis is one helluva guy!

who is teaching that it is appropriate to stand (apparently in preference to kneeling HUMBLY) in front of the Tabernacle.

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He also said that “You should always find time to stay in front of the Tabernacle, stand there in silence, [to see] Jesus’ gaze, which renews and revives us. And if your stand before Jesus troubles us a little, it is a good sign…” We want to be open “channels” through which flows the love and grace of God, not putting ourselves in the middle, only to become the “screens” that do not facilitate the encounter with the Lord…Your daily gratitude to God finds expression in the desire to attract hearts to Him, and to accompany them on the journey.”

What sort of gobbledegook is that?

poche · « **Reply #4 on:** March 24, 2015, 11:03:16 PM »

You spoke of the lack of vocations, but testimony is one of the things that attracts vocations

This is very true. Where there is the good priest and the good nun giving good testimony of life there will be vocations.

poche · « **Reply #5 on:** March 24, 2015, 11:08:28 PM »

The pope also spoke of the necessity of joy and of its role in drawing others to Christ and to the Gospel.

This is so true, St Theresa of Avila prayed, "From sad saints deliver us Oh Lord"

poche · « **Reply #6 on:** March 24, 2015, 11:18:12 PM »

He further remarked that “the Church is not an NGO, but it is the bride of Christ

When Pope Francis said this, Bishop Fellay said that on this point the SSPX was in full agreement with Pope Francis.

BTNYC · « **Reply #7 on:** March 24, 2015, 11:44:29 PM »

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He further remarked that “the Church is not an NGO, but it is the bride of Christ

When Pope Francis said this, Bishop Fellay said that on this point the SSPX was in full agreement with Pope Francis.

For every halfway Catholic utterance of Pope Francis (for that's what they mostly are, halfway Catholic - utterly lacking the forceful clarity and dignity of the popes of old, and - as per usual since V2 - sufficiently ambiguous to be interpreted in any number of ways), there are ten or more outrageously, objectively scandalous utterances and acts.

Don't cherry pick the "nice" Bergoglian soundbites for us, Poche. The burden is on you is to defend his many scandalous outrages, a small number of which are catalogued above. If you cannot defend them - and you cannot, for they are indefensible - then simply be silent. Don't offer some mealy mouthed lip service done on his part to a modicuм of Catholicity as if that makes up for the horrendously grave harm being done to the Church and the Faith by his words and deeds.

poche · « **Reply #8 on:** March 25, 2015, 04:03:30 AM »

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He further remarked that “the Church is not an NGO, but it is the bride of Christ

When Pope Francis said this, Bishop Fellay said that on this point the SSPX was in full agreement with Pope Francis.

For every halfway Catholic utterance of Pope Francis (for that's what they mostly are, halfway Catholic - utterly lacking the forceful clarity and dignity of the popes of old, and - as per usual since V2 - sufficiently ambiguous to be interpreted in any number of ways), there are ten or more outrageously, objectively scandalous utterances and acts.

Don't cherry pick the "nice" Bergoglian soundbites for us, Poche. The burden is on you is to defend his many scandalous outrages, a small number of which are catalogued above. If you cannot defend them - and you cannot, for they are indefensible - then simply be silent. Don't offer some mealy mouthed lip service done on his part to a modicuм of Catholicity as if that makes up for the horrendously grave harm being done to the Church and the Faith by his words and deeds.

I am not cherry picking wat Pope Francis is saying. I am taking them from the OP.

BTNYC · « **Reply #9 on:** March 25, 2015, 07:53:52 AM »

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He further remarked that “the Church is not an NGO, but it is the bride of Christ

When Pope Francis said this, Bishop Fellay said that on this point the SSPX was in full agreement with Pope Francis.

For every halfway Catholic utterance of Pope Francis (for that's what they mostly are, halfway Catholic - utterly lacking the forceful clarity and dignity of the popes of old, and - as per usual since V2 - sufficiently ambiguous to be interpreted in any number of ways), there are ten or more outrageously, objectively scandalous utterances and acts.

Don't cherry pick the "nice" Bergoglian soundbites for us, Poche. The burden is on you is to defend his many scandalous outrages, a small number of which are catalogued above. If you cannot defend them - and you cannot, for they are indefensible - then simply be silent. Don't offer some mealy mouthed lip service done on his part to a modicuм of Catholicity as if that makes up for the horrendously grave harm being done to the Church and the Faith by his words and deeds.

I am not cherry picking wat Pope Francis is saying. I am taking them from the OP.

He: "Elephant in the room? What elephant in the room are you talking about?"

I: "The full grown, seven-ton bull elephant standing right in the center of the room, Poche! You just tripped over its trunk!"

He: "Isn't the wallpaper in this room just lovely?"

claudel · « **Reply #10 on:** March 25, 2015, 09:08:01 AM »

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The pope also spoke of the necessity of joy and of its role in drawing others to Christ and to the Gospel.

This is so true; St Theresa of Avila prayed, "From sad saints deliver us, Oh Lord."

It is now almost exactly fifty years since I first picked up a copy of The Way of Perfection; that very copy sits on a bookcase about five feet from where I now sit typing. Thus, I feel pretty confident in saying that as Saint Theresa was as practical a woman as she was a saintly one, her response to the choice that Francis, in most of his words and all of his actions, has offered the world at large—a choice, that is, between following him in embracing heedless, godless "joy" and following the Church's perennial call to embrace sanctity, even if circuмstances compel it to be sad sanctity—would be quick in coming and would not overtax her mind, heart, or character in the making.

Perhaps poche can picture her polling a general chapter of her nuns or phoning a friend before she gives her final answer, but I can't.

confederate catholic · « **Reply #11 on:** March 25, 2015, 02:06:24 PM »

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Don't cherry pick the "nice" Bergoglian soundbites for us, Poche.

only cherry pick the "bad" Bergoglian soundbites for us, BTNYC

:alcohol:

sorry couldnt resist.

BTNYC · « **Reply #12 on:** March 25, 2015, 02:50:56 PM »

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Don't cherry pick the "nice" Bergoglian soundbites for us, Poche.

only cherry pick the "bad" Bergoglian soundbites for us, BTNYC

:alcohol:

sorry couldnt resist.

If only I had to cherry pick to get those. If only it weren't a perpetual windfall of scandal and outrage coming from the Vatican since March of 2013.

There's such an embarassment of "riches" when it comes to "bad Bergoglian soundbites" that I had to show tremendous restraint in order to keep my post at a reasonable length.

If I seem unduly disinclined to listen to some of Pope Francis' less-overtly-scandalous / halfway Catholic one-liners, it's because I've had my fill a thousand times over of neocath pollyannas pointing with moronic glee over every "the Church is not an NGO" and oblique reference to the reality of the Devil out of Francis' mouth, as if that somehow makes up for the countless instances of modernism and religious and moral indifferentism and contempt for Catholic Tradition being espoused and acted out by Bergoglio since his mysterious, shadowy ascendency to the papacy commenced two infelicitous years ago.

Remember when Catholics expected (and received) more from the Vicar of Christ than mere acknowledgment of the existence of the Devil? Remember when a pope's affirming that the Church is the Bride of Christ was simply taken as the pope duing his duty by expounding a very basic and fundamental Catholic truth, instead of a cause for joyous celebration as a brief respite from his scandals and material heresies? Do you dearly long for a return to those happy times? If so, I'm afraid you're guilty of that greatest of sins in the Bergoglian epoch - "intransigent faithfulness to a particular Catholic 'style' of the past."

poche · « **Reply #13 on:** March 25, 2015, 11:45:39 PM »

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The pope also spoke of the necessity of joy and of its role in drawing others to Christ and to the Gospel.

This is so true; St Theresa of Avila prayed, "From sad saints deliver us, Oh Lord."

It is now almost exactly fifty years since I first picked up a copy of The Way of Perfection; that very copy sits on a bookcase about five feet from where I now sit typing. Thus, I feel pretty confident in saying that as Saint Theresa was as practical a woman as she was a saintly one, her response to the choice that Francis, in most of his words and all of his actions, has offered the world at large—a choice, that is, between following him in embracing heedless, godless "joy" and following the Church's perennial call to embrace sanctity, even if circuмstances compel it to be sad sanctity—would be quick in coming and would not overtax her mind, heart, or character in the making.

Perhaps poche can picture her polling a general chapter of her nuns or phoning a friend before she gives her final answer, but I can't.

I could see her polling the community and/or calling her friends if she were the prioress and was about to make a major change in the community.