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Online Ladislaus

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Re: If you could canonize any one person as a saint who would it be?
« Reply #30 on: January 01, 2023, 04:50:39 PM »
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  • Archbishop Thuc

    While I think that he was a good and holy man overall, despite Bishop Kelly's smear campaign, I do think that he's tainted a bit by the Palmar fiasco, and that would have to be investigated.


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    Re: If you could canonize any one person as a saint who would it be?
    « Reply #31 on: January 01, 2023, 05:06:19 PM »
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  • I'm afraid the Vatican will be canonizing fake Sr Lucy ll. ( after Benedict, of Course)


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    Re: If you could canonize any one person as a saint who would it be?
    « Reply #32 on: January 01, 2023, 06:08:12 PM »
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  • In addition to some others already mentioned in this thread (e.g. +Lefebvre), I would add Emperor Charles of Austria-Hungary. (17 August 1887 – 1 April 1922)


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    Re: If you could canonize any one person as a saint who would it be?
    « Reply #33 on: January 01, 2023, 08:50:36 PM »
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  • Do tell me why chose Julius II and Paul IV
    Pope Paul IV was extremely orthodox and gave heretics and liberals no quarter. He recognized the Catholic queen of England, Mary, over the Protestant Elizabeth as the legitimate ruler of England. His Papal bull cuм Ex Apostolatus Officio (which, if I remember correctly, was referenced in the 1917 Code of Canon Law), explicitly prohibits manifest heretics from validly obtaining ecclesiastical office, especially with the Papacy. He built a wall to quarantine the Jєωs in Rome and made them pay for it (Trump, take notes!), and declared that no more than one ѕуηαgσgυє could exist in each city, which led to the destruction of seven ѕуηαgσgυєs in Rome. He also appointed the future Pope St Pius V as the Supreme Inquisitor. He mercilessly stamped out clerical corruption In summation, he was radically orthodox and did everything in his power to safeguard Catholicism against the rising threats of the time.

    Pope Julius II did a lot to strengthen Papal influence in Europe and funded great works of pious art. He also (rightfully) liberated the Papal States from the corruption of the Borgias, delivering a scathing rebuke of the Borgia Pope Alexander VI. He also personally led the Papal army in battle.

    While both men certainly had their flaws throughout their lives, I think it's reasonable to believe that both were in a state of grace when they died based on what was written about them at the hour of their deaths. They're definitely not first ballot candidates for sainthood, as a advocatus diaboli could easily bring forth arguments against them. However, I think both of them exhibited bravery and a love for the Catholic faith that hopefully inspires passion for the faith.

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    Re: If you could canonize any one person as a saint who would it be?
    « Reply #34 on: January 01, 2023, 09:01:55 PM »
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  • While I think that he was a good and holy man overall, despite Bishop Kelly's smear campaign, I do think that he's tainted a bit by the Palmar fiasco, and that would have to be investigated.
    I do agree that the Palmar consecrations are a significant mark against him, along with conditionally consecrating at least one Old Catholic bishop. But given that Archbishop Thuc consecrated Michel-Louis Guérard des Lauriers and Moises Carmona, which has bore bountiful fruit in preserving the Mass, providing the sacraments globally, and ensuring the continuation of the priesthood and the episcopacy, I think the good outweighs the bad in this situation. I pray that God has mercy on him for his missteps.


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    Re: If you could canonize any one person as a saint who would it be?
    « Reply #35 on: January 01, 2023, 09:26:56 PM »
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  • #1 Father Joseph Collins...  Requiescat in Pace! :pray:

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    There were a lot of other good people named. 

    I would to add some more recent holy clerics:

    Father William Fredrick Faber
    (Author of Growth in Holiness)

    Father Lasance
    (Author of the Catholic Girls Guide)

    Cardinal Merry del Val
    (Author of the Litany of Humility)
    (Secretary to Pope Saint Pius X)

    Father Henri Le Floch
    (He was the head of the French seminary in Rome when Archbishop Lefebvre was there before he was forced to retire after Pius X died for being a monarchist...)

    Louis (Cardinal) Billot
    (Author of the book Liberalism...and food friends with Father Le Floch...  He resigned being a cardinal when Le Floch was kicked.)



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    Re: If you could canonize any one person as a saint who would it be?
    « Reply #36 on: January 01, 2023, 09:33:20 PM »
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  • ...Cardinal Merry del Val      ...Father Henri Le Floch

    You included some good ones!

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    Re: If you could canonize any one person as a saint who would it be?
    « Reply #37 on: January 01, 2023, 09:35:33 PM »
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  • I do agree that the Palmar consecrations are a significant mark against him, along with conditionally consecrating at least one Old Catholic bishop. But given that Archbishop Thuc consecrated Michel-Louis Guérard des Lauriers and Moises Carmona, which has bore bountiful fruit in preserving the Mass, providing the sacraments globally, and ensuring the continuation of the priesthood and the episcopacy, I think the good outweighs the bad in this situation. I pray that God has mercy on him for his missteps.
    Speaking of Bishop Carmona, Bishop Pivarunas once wrote that his body was found uncorrupted. I'd have to dig to find it.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    Re: If you could canonize any one person as a saint who would it be?
    « Reply #38 on: January 01, 2023, 09:39:16 PM »
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  • You included some good ones!
    Thanks!  :popcorn:
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    Re: If you could canonize any one person as a saint who would it be?
    « Reply #39 on: January 01, 2023, 09:40:04 PM »
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  • Speaking of Bishop Carmona, Bishop Pivarunas once wrote that his body was found uncorrupted. I'd have to dig to find it.
    Oo!  Really?  I would love to hear more about this! :cowboy:

    Wait...  Dig up the body or the information?  :laugh1: ;)
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    Re: If you could canonize any one person as a saint who would it be?
    « Reply #40 on: January 01, 2023, 09:42:49 PM »
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  • Wait...  Dig up the body or the information?  :laugh1: ;)

    You beat me to it.
    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.


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    Re: If you could canonize any one person as a saint who would it be?
    « Reply #41 on: January 01, 2023, 09:46:03 PM »
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  • Wait...  Dig up the body or the information?  :laugh1: ;)
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     his body was found uncorrupted. I'd have to dig to find it.

    I could picture this being made into a pun meme.  :laugh1:

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    Re: If you could canonize any one person as a saint who would it be?
    « Reply #42 on: January 01, 2023, 10:10:58 PM »
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  • Speaking of Bishop Carmona, Bishop Pivarunas once wrote that his body was found uncorrupted. I'd have to dig to find it.

      :laugh1: 

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    Re: If you could canonize any one person as a saint who would it be?
    « Reply #43 on: January 01, 2023, 10:21:49 PM »
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  • Speaking of Bishop Carmona, Bishop Pivarunas once wrote that his body was found uncorrupted. I'd have to dig to find it.
    I remember seeing that. It was mentioned in one of the editions of Adsum. Bishop Carmona was certainly a very holy priest and bishop. The CMRI priest that I go to for Masses told us that Bishop Carmona would offer four Masses during the day (can't recall if it was everyday or just Sundays, but nevertheless four public Masses in a single day is incredible dedication)! I should have asked Bishop Pivarunas more about Bishop Carmona back when I met him after my confirmation this past September.

    And I don't know if you intended to make that pun, but it's perfect :laugh1:

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    Re: If you could canonize any one person as a saint who would it be?
    « Reply #44 on: January 01, 2023, 10:29:26 PM »
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  • Father Lasance
    (Author of the Catholic Girls Guide)
    Father Lasance is an excellent choice! He wrote many great books, including the male equivalent for the Catholic Girls Guide in the form of The Young Man's Guide. My confirmation sponsor gifted my brother and I that book. I still need to finish reading through it and my massive backlog of Catholic books that grows every time I visit a church's bookstore.