Quote from: DominvsSabaoth

It's crazy. and I meant even if there was an ad orientem communion on the tongue type novus ordo i'd rather that then the sspx.  I meant i'd rather go to the sspx then a kumbaya Jesuit RCWP mass

You might want to do some more reading, Dominus Sabaoth.  The Novus Ordo in any form is Cain's sacrifice, displeasing to God because it concerns itself with being ecuмenical and anthropocentric, instead of theocentric.  Whether it's with incense and fiddlebacks or supersoakers and gingerbread houses, the Novus Ordo is not a Catholic liturgy.

On a similar vein, groups like FSSP and ICKSP (and even now many SSPX chapels) might offer the traditional mass, but they compromise on doctrine, and are ultimately useless because they've incorporated the Novus Ordo doctrine into their communities.  

God bless.

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Quote from: DominvsSabaoth

It's crazy. and I meant even if there was an ad orientem communion on the tongue type novus ordo i'd rather that then the sspx.  I meant i'd rather go to the sspx then a kumbaya Jesuit RCWP mass

You might want to do some more reading, Dominus Sabaoth.  The Novus Ordo in any form is Cain's sacrifice, displeasing to God because it concerns itself with being ecuмenical and anthropocentric, instead of theocentric.  Whether it's with incense and fiddlebacks or supersoakers and gingerbread houses, the Novus Ordo is not a Catholic liturgy.

On a similar vein, groups like FSSP and ICKSP (and even now many SSPX chapels) might offer the traditional mass, but they compromise on doctrine, and are ultimately useless because they've incorporated the Novus Ordo doctrine into their communities.  

God bless.

true... i'm not incredibly fond of the NO...but if a validly ordained priest says the words of consecration its perfectly valid as a sacrament, though the liturgical context may not be authentically catholic

But DS, that does not justify attendance at the NO.  Consider that if a validly ordained priest decided to become a Satanist he could confect the Eucharist for black masses which profane and blaspheme the Sacred Species.  You wouldn't attend such a service simply because a valid priest performed a valid consecration, would you?  And similarly, the Schismatic Orthodox have valid priests, but attending their services is a mortal sin.  So, we must look beyond bare validity, because even though a mass is not Catholic without a valid consecration, a valid consecration does not make a Catholic mass.  The consecration and the priest's communion is simply the culmination of the rite-- the rite itself must be Catholic (i.e., the doctrines and prayers surrounding the consecration and priest's communion must be Catholic) in order to justify attendance.

And, unfortunately, there is no guarantee that Novus Ordo priests are properly ordained, because of the problems with the form surrounding not only the priestly ordination, but also the episcopal consecration rite that most new bishops have been consecrated under.

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