Author Topic: Food Stamps Travel in Style (Read 12107 times)

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #15 on:** July 17, 2012, 06:52:51 PM »

Well of course 'entitlement programs' can also be considered handing out bailouts and taxpayer money to big banks and corporations as well. But yes the sex, drugs, rock n' roll, and women's liberation of the 1960's has destroyed the American family. Now the revolutionaries demand we spend more and tax more to deal with the consequences of what they did to America.

ora pro me · « **Reply #16 on:** July 18, 2012, 02:47:05 PM »

Thorn and Flannery,
You both fail to engage in a fair debate with Tiffany because you do not acknowledge her protestation of the comparison of feeding humans to animals. Putting the treatment of animals on a par with the treatment of humans is something that is commonly done by the PETA people and should be recognized by all good Catholics.

As a matter of fact, I have actually heard PETA people saying that animals should be treated better than humans since humans can care for themselves and animals cannot.

ora pro me · « **Reply #17 on:** July 18, 2012, 03:14:33 PM »

Flannery,
In addition to my comment above, I must also come to Tiffany's defense against your uncharitable accusation and false assumption that she would not recognize marriage as a sacrament. I fail to see how you came to that conclusion.

You, yourself are the one who is far-reaching to suggest that this Catholic woman would not recognize a sacrament of the Church. By jumping ahead to such an outlandish assumption, you show that you do not understand the general rules of a fair debate. In my opinion when one debater attacks the moral character of another debater with an accusation that has nothing to do with the actual debate, any further debating by the accuser holds little or no weight since he has then lost credibility.

I suggest that you apologize to Tiffany for accusing her of heresy, since if someone were not to recognize a sacrament of the Church that person would certainly be in heresy.

Flannery · « **Reply #18 on:** July 18, 2012, 07:04:25 PM »

Ora Pro Me - thank you for your comments. When a woman consistently supports and encourages single motherhood on a traditional Catholic forum, it naturally follows that her respect for marriage as a sacrament would be called into question. Whether or not that makes her a heretic, I defer to one of the men on the forum who are better informed than I am. I hadn't considered her as a heretic (you mentioned it). I would rather speak up against her than allow her to lead other young women on this forum into the trap of single motherhood - it should be condemned rather than condoned and flaunted. I don't see that any apology is called for from me.

If you want to be lumped in with the feminists on this forum by defending them, that is your prerogative. I will take a stand against them.

And I will assert that Tiffany has failed to recognize the irony of Thorn's post about animals. Thorn has quoted St. Paul eloquently. Tiffany brought reproductive rights into the discussion.

ora pro me · « **Reply #19 on:** July 18, 2012, 07:28:22 PM »

Flannery,
If a Catholic does not recognize a Sacrament of the Church, that person is not a Catholic. That person would be in heresy would he/she not? Your assumption and accusation that Tiffany would not recognize Marriage as a Sacrament of the Church is certainly the same thing as calling her a heretic.

Your accusation is certainly very serious, entirely inappropriate, uncharitable and extremely disrespectful to a fellow Catholic. In my book, you certainly owe her a sincere apology but if you are not prepared to do so, then just please go away.

Tiffany · « **Reply #20 on:** July 18, 2012, 07:58:11 PM »

Flannery this is the second time you have twisted things and made up things about me. I'm not going to bite the bait and defend myself. It's crazy.

Thorn · « **Reply #21 on:** July 18, 2012, 09:40:40 PM »

For Pete's sake you guys - I merely posted a humorous clipping that spoke a lot of truth. No debate necessary. I have no intention on debating Tiffany as it would be useless as I really don't think she'd get the point, being as she failed to get the first point. I've not read much of Tiffany's posts, but the few I did read, I wanted to post back on the homeschooling post of hers to tell her as kindly as possible to refrain from further posting until she got a little more wisdom under her belt as she was making trads look embarrassing. I know that sounds harsh & I'm going to be trounced on royally but I tell it like it is.
Flannery, thanks for your comments. I agree with you completely & don't know how she feels that you twisted things about her. She's the one posting all the nonsense & showing us her thoughts. She's doing a good job all by herself on the art of mixed-up thinking.

Thorn · « **Reply #22 on:** July 19, 2012, 11:26:54 AM »

Hey, Tiffany!
Have you ever told your boy that his room is a pigpen?
That your hubby is strong as an ox?
Your daughter was proud as a peacock?
Your neighbor cackles like a hen?
The baby was as quiet as a mouse?
The children were playing 'possum?
Do you call your children 'kids'? Or told them to stop monkeying around?
Do you know someone that's as stubborn as a mule?
Know someone who's a jackass?
Does your grandmother eat like a bird?
Ever know a rat? Or a louse?
How 'bout a woman who walks like a cow?
Have your children parroted something you've said?
Ever seen anyone as big as an elephant?
Was your grandfather a wise old owl?

Well shame on you for comparing your family & friends to animals!!!!!

PS: We talk like this because we're all part of the animal kingdom!

There, Ora, I 'splained to her. End of debate.

Thorn · « **Reply #23 on:** July 20, 2012, 05:21:31 PM »

Hmmm - let's see here. Tiff hasn't been on in awhile & I have had 1 ignore for the longest time. This morning I still had 1 ignore. Then late morning Tiff is now back & no one has replied to my latest post here AND I now have 2 ignores. Just coincidence or did Tiff have a tiff? Inquiring mind would love to know!

Tiffany · « **Reply #24 on:** July 22, 2012, 07:07:46 AM »

It is an analogy with ill intent. It is not an uncommon analogy from gop politicians either. They compare feeding the humans to animals with a line at the end that expresses a political belief that expresses some stereotype about the poor and/or belief about how the poor should be treated.
They (including this one) are cruel, devaluing sentiments and not Catholic. We are called to feed the hungry not to devalue them.

It's done to gain political support, using TANF and food stamp recipients as a scapegoat.

Flannery · « **Reply #25 on:** July 22, 2012, 10:42:56 AM »

Tiffany,

You seem to object to this “analogy” because it doesn’t advance your feminist viewpoints of the government supporting single motherhood.

Why did you bring reproduction into this discussion? Because it struck a nerve that out-of-wedlock infants (and their mothers) not be entitled to a check from the government?

One good sign of a feminist is one who takes everything literally and cannot comprehend humor. You’ve already demonstrated your feminist thinking with your support and encouragement of illegitimate children, even going so far as to provide instructions on how financial support can be obtained...through entitlement programs or obligations from the nearest male relative of the mother (this is never a husband in your arguments).

Why is it offensive to use animals or plants for that matter as metaphors? How is that “devaluing” human life? Are you familiar with the 23rd Psalm? The parables in the New Testament?

ora pro me · « **Reply #26 on:** July 22, 2012, 06:00:14 PM »

Flannery,
Have you nothing better to do on a Sunday then to spread public calumny against a fellow Catholic?

Tiffany has simply been showing Christian charity by trying to help a single mom here.

May I suggest that you pray for those whom you want to tear apart and ask Our Lady to help them and you?

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #27 on:** July 22, 2012, 10:18:51 PM »

Quote from: Tiffany

It is an analogy with ill intent. It is not an uncommon analogy from gop politicians either. They compare feeding the humans to animals with a line at the end that expresses a political belief that expresses some stereotype about the poor and/or belief about how the poor should be treated.
They (including this one) are cruel, devaluing sentiments and not Catholic. We are called to feed the hungry not to devalue them.

It's done to gain political support, using TANF and food stamp recipients as a scapegoat.

Hmm I didn't know it was the government's job to get into the human welfare business.

I thought the Churches used to handle that?

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #28 on:** July 22, 2012, 10:22:59 PM »

Quote from: ora pro me

Flannery,
Have you nothing better to do on a Sunday then to spread public calumny against a fellow Catholic?

Tiffany has simply been showing Christian charity by trying to help a single mom here.

May I suggest that you pray for those whom you want to tear apart and ask Our Lady to help them and you?

Hmm Flannery seems to be doing just fine to me. Personally it is refreshing to see one woman (I assume Flannery is a she) who has not fallen into the feminist clap-trap about being"equal with men" and "entitled to the same thing as men."

TheUnclothed · « **Reply #29 on:** August 23, 2012, 02:40:30 PM »

Quote from: Thorn

Tiffany, you completely misunderstand! It is the church's duty to feed the poor.

Perhaps it is but look at the state of the church. To some sedes, it is comprised of a 100 people. To Novus Ordoites, it's still be and powerful but nowhere near its former glory.

The NO VII counter-church can't baptize more than that death and defection rate. It can't fulfill its primary mission of saving souls, let alone giving food and medical care to the world's poor.

I'm not a socialist but I don't like the idea of oligarchs having free reign while children go to bed hungry.

Until the church gets back on its feet, the state should do things like food stamps.