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Offline songbird

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« on: June 05, 2016, 04:34:14 PM »
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  • I know this was posted once before and maybe someone can direct me.  We posted our concerns about this group, "America Needs Fatima".  

    I don't want to connect myself to a fund raiser group; for one.  And my soul tells me that this group, is New Order?  Your thoughts again for or against.


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    « Reply #1 on: June 05, 2016, 08:17:15 PM »
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  • I looked at their website and it certainly has a Novus Ordo-y look to it.  I find it interesting that they promote themselves as an organization devoted to Our Lady and, while they have nearly 30 prayers and novenas and numerous articles about Our Lady and the Rosary, I can't find any listing of the Mysteries of the Rosary.  It seems that there is a specific intention to hide whether they are traditional or conservative Novus Ordo.  By providing an article on how to say the rosary without ever listing the Mysteries of the rosary, one cannot see whether or not they promote the "Luminous Mysteries".

    I am certainly not impressed.


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    « Reply #2 on: June 05, 2016, 08:50:46 PM »
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  • We do the traditional Rosary.  

    The funny thing about the Luminous mysteries is that we can't get most Novus Ordo to say a decade of the rosary.  Or they just want to say one mystery and not entire Rosary.  
    So why is the Luminous mystery was added when no one can even pray the original Rosary?
    And why is it being forced on people when it is an optional chaplet?

    America Needs Fatima travels all over combatting anti Catholicism.
    They have excellent resources for Rosary Rallies.  

    I don't see any other Catholics doing this.  
    May God bless you and keep you

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    « Reply #3 on: June 05, 2016, 09:06:32 PM »
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  • If you don't feel comfortable about donating money, you don't have to.  I have never donated money because I usually go with my friend who is long time traditional Catholic.  She is a Rosary Leader and we pray the Traditional Rosary.  The main thing is to pray the Rosary.  We even have novus ordo join us.  We usually have signs that says God's Marriage is Man + woman.

    Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira a few years before his death.
    Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira (December 13, 1908 – October 3, 1995) was a Brazilian intellectual, politician and Catholic activist.

    Oliveira was born in São Paulo. His mother, Lucilia Corrêa de Oliveira, was a devout Roman Catholic. He was educated by Jesuits. In 1928 he joined the Marian Congregations of São Paulo and soon became a leader of that organization, often giving speeches. In 1933 he helped organize the Catholic Electoral League and was elected to the nation’s Constitutional Convention. As the youngest congressman in Brazil's history he was part of the "Catholic bloc". His view of the Church has been described as ultramontanist and his political ideology anti-Communist.[1]

    He assumed the chair of Modern and Contemporary History at the Pontifical Catholic University of São Paulo. He was also the first president of the São Paulo Archdiocesan Board of Catholic Action. Oliveira became concerned with what he saw as progressive deviations within Brazilian Catholic Action, associated with the ideas of the French Catholic philosopher, Jacques Maritain.[2] He attacked these changes in his 1943 book, In Defense of Catholic Action.[3]

    With the arrival of a new archbishop in São Paulo in 1944, Oliveira lost his position as diocesan head of Catholic Action and in 1947 he was ousted as director of the Catholic weekly Legionário, which he had supervised since 1935.[4] In 1951 he, and the conservative bishops Antônio de Castro Mayer and Geraldo de Proença Sigaud, founded the magazine O Catolicismo.[5] From 1968 to 1990 he wrote a column for the Folha de S.Paulo, the city’s largest daily newspaper.

    Oliveira's social activism found new targets with the support of liberation theology by the National Conference of Bishops of Brazil (founded in 1952) and by the Latin American Episcopal Conference (CELAM) (founded in 1955), and with the Cuban revolution of 1959.[6] To put his ideas into action, he founded the Brazilian Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property (TFP) in 1960.

    Oliveira travelled to Rome for the opening session of Vatican II, describing it as "a point in history as sad as the Death of Our Lord" in which the Church was faced by the generalized, co-ordinated, and audacious action of its internal enemies. Oliveira was accompanied by members of the Brazilian TFP who brought twenty trunks of TFP literature.[7] During the first session of the Council Oliveira provided a secretariat which served Brazilian bishops Antônio de Castro Mayer and Geraldo de Proença Sigaud and other bishops of the traditional faction, who ultimately formed the Coetus Internationalis Patrum.[8] Oliveira's opposition to the Council continued; in a 1976 addendum to his Revolution and Counter-Revolution, he described Vatican II as "one of the greatest calamities, if not the greatest, in the history of the Church".[9] His strong opposition led to him being described as a "revanchist" within the ultraditional faction.[10]

    He served as president of TFP's national council until his death in 1995. His treatise Revolution and Counter-Revolution inspired the founding of autonomous TFP groups in nearly 20 countries worldwide. An admirer of Thomas Aquinas, he was the author of 15 books and over 2,500 essays and articles. His works include: In Defense of Catholic Action, Revolution and Counter-Revolution, The Church and the Communist State: The Impossible Coexistence, Nobility and Analogous Traditional Elites in the Allocutions of Pius XII, and many others.

    TFP is America Needs Fatima.
    May God bless you and keep you

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    « Reply #4 on: June 05, 2016, 10:50:08 PM »
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  • Thank You.  I read the "Mouth of the Lion".  I am impressed with TFP.  The book Plinio Oliveira wrote is on the America needs Fatima, web site.  That impresses me as well.

    I wonder if there is anything else to be concerned with.  If the dioceses are against the organization, that is good, uh?!  

    I understand that the word "catholic" does not come up on their site?  That is good to make them neutral.  I understand when "Catholic" is used/organization, a bishop must be involved. So, that looks good?