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Offline crossbro

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Couple find 10 million in old gold coins in California
« on: February 26, 2014, 02:31:18 AM »
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    18. But he that received the one, going his way, digged into the earth and hid his lord's money.


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    27. Thou oughtest therefore to have committed my money to the bankers: and at my coming I should have received my own with usury.


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    Some dream of roaming the Earth to hunt buried treasure. One Sierra Nevada couple didn't have to go that far. They dug it up in their backyard - about $10 million worth, in 19th century U.S. gold coins stuffed into rusty cans.


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    « Reply #1 on: February 26, 2014, 02:34:28 AM »
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  • How come I don't find 10 million in gold coin in my back yard, I guess God does not love me  :shocked: .

    Fine, be that way.



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    Couple find 10 million in old gold coins in California
    « Reply #2 on: February 26, 2014, 03:28:20 AM »
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    How come I don't find 10 million in gold coin in my back yard, I guess God does not love me  :shocked: .

    Fine, be that way.


    It is because God loves you that you haven't been burdened with $10 million in gold coin.

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    « Reply #3 on: February 26, 2014, 12:18:32 PM »
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    How come I don't find 10 million in gold coin in my back yard, I guess God does not love me  :shocked: .

    Fine, be that way.


    It is because God loves you that you haven't been burdened with $10 million in gold coin.


    Uh yeah, that makes me feel much better.

    My parents lost a lot of money on the gold mine they owned in the early 1980s in the Sierra Nevada. These people just hit it by walking their dogs.

    Sounds strange but is probably prudent the couple is not giving personal information so I just hope they actually found the gold on their own land and not someone else's or on publicly owned land.

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    « Reply #4 on: February 26, 2014, 01:56:36 PM »
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    How come I don't find 10 million in gold coin in my back yard, I guess God does not love me  :shocked: .

    Fine, be that way.



    It's because you have already publicly declared that you will not share any of your treasure with the Church.


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    « Reply #5 on: February 26, 2014, 06:34:11 PM »
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    How come I don't find 10 million in gold coin in my back yard, I guess God does not love me  :shocked: .

    Fine, be that way.


    It is because God loves you that you haven't been burdened with $10 million in gold coin.


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    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #6 on: February 26, 2014, 09:55:47 PM »
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    What might not be so obvious to some at first is that gold coin collectors could be cringing right now, wanting to know the IDs of all the coins.  

    Because the fact is, when a horde of very rare coins is found and made public, the SUPPLY of those increases, which means that the DEMAND decreases, and therefore the price.  Some of these could be coins that had been valued at $100,000 each, and now that a bunch of them are found, that could make the value of everyone's similar mint coins drop by some percentage, like 5 or 10%.


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    « Reply #7 on: February 26, 2014, 10:07:22 PM »
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    What might not be so obvious to some at first is that gold coin collectors could be cringing right now, wanting to know the IDs of all the coins.  

    Because the fact is, when a horde of very rare coins is found and made public, the SUPPLY of those increases, which means that the DEMAND decreases, and therefore the price.  Some of these could be coins that had been valued at $100,000 each, and now that a bunch of them are found, that could make the value of everyone's similar mint coins drop by some percentage, like 5 or 10%.


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    Maybe, but the rarity of these coins on the market means there may not be much of an impact on price. The fact the find is so public may in fact increase interest in collecting meaning the demand for the coins will increase. The value may go up instead of down.


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    « Reply #8 on: February 27, 2014, 05:39:06 AM »
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    In the past, the discovery of a horde of rare coins has sometimes caused the value of certain years of mintage, mint mark, and/or double die and such abnormalities, to become less valuable, because suddenly a larger number of coins of that description were known to exist.  You're talking about public awareness, which is a factor, but what the public is inclined to think about is a fickle thing.  People could be interested one day because of the novelty, but check again in a week and they've practically forgotten about it.  They would have to go out and buy coins for their "interest" to have any effect on the market demand.  Window shopping and placing orders are related, but not identical, entities.  

    For example, the USA 1943 copper penny is very rare.  Most all 43 pennies were made of steel, due to the war effort's need for copper.  When the mints in Pennsylvania, Denver and San Francisco started their runs with new dies, there were some remnant copper stock in the feeders that was processed before the new steel stock came into being struck, and the consequence was that in each mint, a few copper pennies came out of the forges before the steel ones started coming out.  Today there are only about 20 or 23 copper 1943 pennies known to exist in various collections.  40 years ago they were worth $20,000 and more, each, numismatic value.  Today, going by prices reached in auctions, the lowest price is over $100K, and condition is not exclusive, that is, any coin identifiable as an original 1943 copper penny, regardless of condition, is worth at least that much.  If it is in very good condition it is worth more, and if it is uncirculated, it is valued perhaps in the millions.  But if a bunch of 1943 copper pennies were to be found buried in a vault somewhere (which isn't impossible), all of the other collections would likely suffer a loss in value, because there are only going to be so many people enduringly interested enough in such coins to bother to bid on buying one or more of them.  Not everyone can afford to say, "Yea," when the question of $10K more is on the auction block at $300K.  And among those who can afford it, very few are willing to SAY it.  

    The thing about this new find is, most (if not all) of the coins are slabbed by USGS or NGC or the like, meaning that they were recorded as existing in collections during the past 40 or so years.  So while their precise location or owner might not have been known, their probable existence was known.  Even so, sometimes collections are destroyed, such as in a devastating fire.  Therefore, whether the price of any of these discovered coins is affected by this find is an open question.  The price could go up, as you say, due to increased interest, but it would have to be due to someone actually BUYING coins or a number of people actually BIDDING at auction on coins.  And when it comes to those who in fact make such bids, the knowledge that more of any particular mintage is known to be in collections can be a deterrent to bidding higher.  Those kinds of people who tend to bid at auction or seek private deals outside of auction, want to buy coins that no one else has, and the more rare a given coin is, the more desirable it is -- "everyone" wants something so they can say, "No one else in the world has one of these."

    And the funny thing is, there could be one or more coins in this find that is so rare that it is practically unique, and one such coin by ITSELF could be worth $10 million at auction, especially due to the fact that it is newly discovered, like this.  The news reports round figures of approximate value but it might not be until particular coins from this find go up for auction that their current market price will become known for sure.  Auction prices are the most common reason for particular mintage value increasing.

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    Maybe, but the rarity of these coins on the market means there may not be much of an impact on price. The fact the find is so public may in fact increase interest in collecting meaning the demand for the coins will increase. The value may go up instead of down.


    Taken by itself, your proposition that the rarity of these coins on the market means this find may not have much impact on their prices, is a false statement.

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    « Reply #9 on: February 27, 2014, 11:01:21 AM »
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     Taken by itself, your proposition that the rarity of these coins on the market means this find may not have much impact on their prices, is a false statement.


    That may be true "taken by itself"- but that proposition was not on it's own, now was it ?


    A lot of the coins never go to market, just getting traded through word of mouth or through stores.

    So, these coins are not only rare, but they are also rare to find at auction and there is a lot of publicity. Collectors who may have never dreamed of the opportunity of purchasing a particular coin are now going to be able to bid.

    More interested wealthy collectors in a bidding war are going to drive prices up.

    But we don't have to argue. We can wait and see the original estimated values versus what they went for act auction. My guess is some of those coins are going to go for many times their original estimated value. That is going to drive the values and the demand up.

    Maybe a couple years later prices will drop, but they will never return to current levels.

    Remember, we are talking about collectors who have millions of dollars of disposable income, not the Joneses up the street.

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    « Reply #10 on: February 27, 2014, 11:21:15 AM »
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    How come I don't find 10 million in gold coin in my back yard, I guess God does not love me  :shocked: .

    Fine, be that way.



    It's because you have already publicly declared that you will not share any of your treasure with the Church.


    That is true and at the same time ambiguous.

    If I came across that kind of money I would not give money directly to the Church, I would ask for the list of contractors and the banks the Mission owes money too and I would bypass the Church and the issue I have of feeding Pope Francis comma Heretic.

    Someone might argue that does not do anything because then the Church would still have the money for those bills. Not true, that money is pledged and earmarked for those projects by families. Once those obligations disappear, I highly doubt they are just going to turn around and give those payments to the chapel.


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    « Reply #11 on: March 29, 2014, 03:39:19 AM »
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    Well, after the falderal, it looks like the discovery of these coins did not affect the prices of similar coins at all.  There were several of them that were very rare, and all of them were in great condition, so they are all quite collectible.  But the prices of those dates and issue did not change any more than what they would have had they not been discovered.  

    So we were both wrong, crossbro.   :kick-can:

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    « Reply #12 on: March 29, 2014, 06:53:10 PM »
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    Well, after the falderal, it looks like the discovery of these coins did not affect the prices of similar coins at all.  There were several of them that were very rare, and all of them were in great condition, so they are all quite collectible.  But the prices of those dates and issue did not change any more than what they would have had they not been discovered.  

    So we were both wrong, crossbro.   :kick-can:

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    I will compromise and be generous by meeting you half way: I was right and you were wrong.

    How is that for win/win ?