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Offline drivocek

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College is a Scam
« on: March 09, 2013, 06:09:00 PM »
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  • Offline Croix de Fer

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    « Reply #1 on: March 09, 2013, 08:05:04 PM »
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  • Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)


    Offline PerEvangelicaDicta

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    « Reply #2 on: March 09, 2013, 09:27:36 PM »
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  • Not only is the "education" a scam, but the debt bubble is enriching the usual thieves and enemies of the Church.
    So who is profiting from $1 trillion plus student loan debt scam?  Guess.

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    So just who are the lenders profiting from the massive student debt load?

    You already know some of the names: JP Morgan Chase, U.S Bank, Citi, Bank of America. Others are non-bank student lenders. What all of them have in common, though, is that their practices are shrouded in secrecy. A recent release from the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, the brainchild of now-Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren, called for an investigation into the industry:

        "It has been operating in the shadows for too long," Raj Date, the Treasury Department adviser who is running the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, said in a release. "Shedding light on this industry will benefit students, lenders, and the market as a whole."

    Here, we take a look at five of the lenders raking in the cash off the backs of the U.S.'s students.

    1. Sallie Mae

    The SLM corporation, better known as Sallie Mae (and originally called the Student Loan Marketing Association), is the largest student lender in the United States. It was created in 1972 as a government-sponsored enterprise, but fully privatized in 2004. It also services loans provided by the federal government, and holds, services and collects loans made under the now-discontinued Federal Family Education Loan Program (FFELP), the federally-subsidized private lending program which was recently replaced with direct federal loans. These loans were, up until the end of the program, Sallie Mae's main source of income.

    And just like in the mortgage market, Sallie Mae has been accused of making “subprime” loans to borrowers who will be attending for-profit or trade schools that have low graduation rates, making the loans a bad risk. Stephen Burd at the New America Foundation's Higher Ed Watch wrote in 2008, “Still, Sallie Mae won't overtly admit fault and poor management. Instead, the company and its promoters on Wall Street have been testing another explanation for its difficulties. An analyst with CreditSights Inc., in New York, recently tried it out when he told Bloomberg.com that the loan giant had been 'blind-sided' by the rising default and delinquency rates on the subprime private loans it had made to low-income and working-class students attending trade school of dubious quality.”

    The last year that the FFELP existed, Sallie Mae held a frightening $154.1 billion in FFELP loans.

    Like all of the student lenders, in 2008, Sallie Mae got what amounted to a sizable government bailout from the Ensuring Continued Access to Student Loans Act (ECASLA), which the Campaign for America's Future described in a report [PDF] as one that “allowed lenders like Sallie Mae to sell loans back to the Department of Education through a number of loan-purchase programs.” On the strength of that government bailout, the company's profits surged to $324 million.

    The CEO of Sallie Mae, Albert Lord, according to CAP “has reaped more than $225 million from the student loan business over the course of his career. In 2008, even as profits declined, Lord received $4.7 million in total compensation. He has used a portion of the proceeds to build himself a private golf course.”

    Sallie Mae has spent millions lobbying against student loan reform, including lobbying the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, which made recommendations on the cost savings of the government's switch to direct lending. Over the last three campaign cycles (2012, 2010, and 2008) Sallie Mae's PAC has spent $1,583,557, favoring Democrats in '08 and '10 but so far this year favoring the GOP.

    In 2010, when Citigroup decided to get out of the student loan business, Sallie Mae paid $1.2 billion for the rights to collect payments and service $28 billion in federally backed loans.

    2. Wells Fargo

    Wachovia and Wells Fargo were the third and fourth largest originators of federally-subsidized private loans under FFELP in 2009, with $5.54 billion and $5.14 billion respectively. After their merger, the resultant behemoth is the country's second-largest private student lender.

    As we reported recently at AlterNet, Wells Fargo reported profits of $12.36 billion in 2010, and is number 23 on the Fortune 500, just above Procter & Gamble. Headquartered in California, the bank has $1.26 trillion in assets and $93 billion in revenues. And, of course, it got $25 billion in TARP funds from the government and borrowed another $300 billion through the Federal Reserve during the financial crisis, which it helped create—Wells Fargo is the country's largest consumer lender and is the only one of the nation's big banks that offers payday advance loans, which it calls “Direct Deposit Advance” and has direct financial connections to six of the top seven payday lenders.

    The company has faced allegations of racial bias in its mortgage lending processes, though there's no information about similar allegations of its student lending. Salon reported:

        “Wells Fargo has a history of targeting vulnerable communities for risky financial products. At the height of the subprime lending mania in 2006, the bank was more likely to loan subprime mortgages to Latinos and African-Americans than whites, according to a September 2009 report by the Center for American Progress, a process known as “reverse red-lining.” For financially stable borrowers, the targeting was even starker: Middle-class blacks were four times more likely than middle-class whites to get a dangerous mortgage. Middle-class Latinos were nearly three times more likely.”

    Wells Fargo is now offering a new fixed-rate private student loan, which would allow borrowers to lock in one rate for the life of their loan; however, the rates can be high— up to 14 percent for those attending community colleges or trade schools, or in other words, for lower-income borrowers.

    In Minnesota recently, a group of Occupy-affiliated activists “mic-checked” Wells Fargo CEO John Stumpf, calling him out for his bank's foreclosure and student debt policies.

    3. Discover

    After buying the remains of Citi's Student Loan Corporation, Discover Financial Services became the third-largest provider of private student loans. Best known for the Discover Card, of course, the company's website proclaims:

        “The company operates the Discover card, America's cash rewards pioneer, and offers personal and student loans, online savings products, certificates of deposit and money market accounts through its Discover Bank subsidiary.”

    According to Canadian Business magazine, of Discover's $52.51 billion in total loans (as of May 31, 2011) $4.57 billion was student loans, up from $820 million the previous year—which reflects the buyout of Citi's loans.

    Harit Talwar, the company's Vice President for US Cards, said of student lending at a conference in May, "We really like this business. In the U.S., as you know, education costs are increasing much faster than income. And therefore, students need funding for tuition fees."

    Discover's PAC has spent $2,221,136 over the last three election cycles on candidates, mostly to Republicans.

    4. NelNet

    Based in Lincoln, Nebraska, NelNet was founded in 1978 as the UNIPAC Loan Service Corporation and renamed NelNet in 1996. It reported net income of $165.5 million for three quarters of 2011, and has net student loan assets of $24.6 billion. Its press release states:

        “In September 2009, Nelnet began servicing student loans for the Department of Education (Department) under a contract that will increase the company's fee-based revenue as the servicing volume increases. At September 30, 2011, the company was servicing $44.6 billion of loans for 3 million borrowers on behalf of the Department, compared with $21.8 billion of loans for 2.5 million borrowers on September 30, 2010. Revenue from this contract increased to $12.8 million for the third quarter of 2011, up from $8.7 million for the same period a year ago.”

    That's $12.8 million in a quarter for servicing federal loans.

    The lender has been riddled with controversy; in 2006, Inside Higher Ed reported that NelNet had overcharged the government about a billion dollars. (They settled in 2010 for $55 million to resolve a whistle-blower lawsuit—which also targeted Sallie Mae.) And Higher Ed Watch reported in 2007, in a piece called “ NelNet's Friend with Benefits”:

        “Amidst revelations this spring of industry wide kickbacks, improper inducements, and gifts from student loan providers to colleges and universities, Nelnet quickly shut down a Nebraska investigation into its activities by agreeing to provide $1 million to the state in support of a national financial aid awareness campaign.

        ….

        As we reported two weeks ago, seeking higher office in Nebraska with Nelnet's support can be a lucrative endeavor. Democratic Sen. Ben Nelson received almost $65,000 in the 2005-2006 election cycle alone from Nelnet and Union Bank executives and officials. This June, Nelson co-sponsored an amendment that would have sent $4 billion in financial aid earmarked for students instead to for-profit student loan companies like Nelnet. Nelson's amendment lost 61-36.”

    NelNet's PAC has spent $398,731 on campaign donations since 2008, and it's spent $2,780,000 on lobbying since 2007; its lobbyists have included Clark Lytle Gelduldig & Cranford, the firm recently outed by Chris Hayes on MSNBC as doing opposition research on the Occupy Wall Street movement.

    JPMorgan Chase

    JPMorgan this year became the country's largest bank by asset size, surpassing the troubled Bank of America, and its private student loan division came into shape when it purchased Collegiate Funding Services in 2006, creating Chase Student Loans.

    In 2009, Chase held $11.1 billion in FFELP loans, not a huge amount when you consider its $2.29 trillion in current assets. Still, the giant has been accused of some shady lending practices.

    Back in 2007, NPR reported:

        “The House Education and Labor Committee says it has evidence that JPMorgan Chase paid five student aid officials to do work for the bank while they were still on their school's payroll. JPMorgan Chase confirmed it did pay school officials to do work related to student loans, but the bank says it doesn't do that kind of thing anymore.

        The company says it has also stopped throwing lavish parties for university officials, like the $70,000 cruise in New York Harbor that student aid officers enjoyed in 2005.”

    JPMorgan Chase spends lavishly on campaigns and lobbying as well, dropping $5.8 million in just the last year on lobbyists and having given $109,750 to Mitt Romney, $79,150 to Virginia Senator Mark Warner, $55,750 to Tennessee Senator Bob Corker, and $37,439 to Barack Obama.

    And just recently, the bank was pushed to reinstate a deferment program for active duty military servicepeople, after NBC News reported on a family that “received a letter alerting them the bank decided to end the program and would no longer allow active-duty troops to delay paying their student loans, even if they were away at war.”  


    Offline alaric

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    « Reply #3 on: March 11, 2013, 02:29:32 PM »
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  • I have heard this rhetoric before, but don't short a college ed just yet.

    I think he is right that most people would do better to go out and get a real job (If any are available these days!) than just go to university and party, drink and spin their wheels for four years with a bogus degree and a mountain of debt.

    But, you can still focus on getting a quality education and degree in the fields that are either in high demand or where all the money is being diverted into these days including medical, education, govt, nanotechnology/software etc. You just have to sit down and do your homework and really think about IF your high paid degree will actually get you any return in the long run. But, even then, you better really think about paying way too much for that degree to begin with.

    Local schools, community college, night classes, on-line courses, off-campus classes,etc there's a lot of alternatives than just going to a big name university, staying on campus and shelling out tens (hundreds?) of thousands for the same education you might get for half the price and  worth twice the value.

    I don't know, I'm much older than those either in college or looking into it but I don't want to write off a good education just yet. It almost seems that's what a lot financial "experts" seem to be hinting at but then again maybe the elite just don't anyone competeing with them either, I don't know. Everyone will have to make their decision on their specific situation but you might not want to throw out the baby with the bathwater, in other words, not all college is worthless and not all of it  should put you in a mountain of debt, only if you let it.

    Of course, you could always join the military for a few years and get a free ride when you get out, but then again, you also taking a chance there as well.

    To all you younger people, you should really do a lot of researching and praying and get all the advice you can before you make that serious move for the rest of your life.

    Good luck and Godspeed.

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    « Reply #4 on: March 13, 2013, 09:52:50 AM »
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  • College is certainly a scam for most people, but many potential employers will not hire a person without that college diploma. I'd recommend community college, scholarships, and living at home while going to school if possible to come out of college without debt. I agree with Alaric that a person should think long and hard about the field and degree that he chooses. I have read about americans that agree to spend a number of years as doctors in Cuba in return for the government paying for their medical education. Obviosuly, I wouldn't recommend the above, but these students will graduate medical school without the half-million dollar debt.


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    « Reply #5 on: March 13, 2013, 11:28:56 AM »
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  • I currently serve as a college recruiter for a proprietary technical college. I must say that there are some options better than others. The school I work for prepares students for a career as an automotive technician with some pretty impressive training. The result are often equally impressive- students starting out with salaries for $25-30 per hour is not that uncommon, but its not the norm; like I tell my students- "you get what you put in to this. As far as I'm concerned that's the best deal around; many many people are currently graduating with bachelor degrees from prestigious schools making half of what some of our students make."

    For $30,000 , this sort of investment can be very beneficial to a young traditional Catholic who has an interested in mechanics and with mechanical aptitude, and looking for a decent living. Bishop Williamson encouraged young men to study something "real", and not go to Universities. I don't know if 'no one' should go to Universities, but many should consider other areas of opportunities. The 50's and 60's are gone and that life of 'college- marriage- white picket fence- career- retirement' is long gone.

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    « Reply #6 on: March 13, 2013, 12:20:57 PM »
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  • s2rea,

    The above is very good advice. I also recommend to young men that they apply for the aviation mechanic program at our local community college for the same reasons that you listed. I've talked to aviation mechanics that have spent a few years in Saudi Arabia and saved a great deal of money.

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    « Reply #7 on: March 13, 2013, 12:40:11 PM »
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  • Quote from: sedetrad
    s2rea,

    The above is very good advice. I also recommend to young men that they apply for the aviation mechanic program at our local community college for the same reasons that you listed. I've talked to aviation mechanics that have spent a few years in Saudi Arabia and saved a great deal of money.


    I also have seen some impressive salaries with guys working for government contractors overseas; The biggest benefit is the lack of taxation. I would do the same (go overseas) as a firefighter, but I have my wife and kids- money isn't that important to me  :farmer: But if I was young and wanted a good starting point in life, financially speaking, and wanted too make 100k to bring back and buy some land/ home- I would! What I would do then with the knowledge I have now.