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Offline klasG4e

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« on: June 08, 2016, 08:06:45 PM »
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  • Rather amazing (or perhaps and unfortunately not so amazing) how so many trads including their priests, from the pulpit no less, refer to children as kids.

    Here is an excellent article on the subject: 8/1999 ANGELUS

    Here's how a relatively small sampling of some updated get up to speed Sacred Scripture would read/sound.

    Matthew 18:1-5
    At that hour the disciples came to Jesus, saying: Who thinkest thou is the greater in the kingdom of heaven?   And Jesus calling unto him a little kid, set him in the midst of them,   And said: Amen I say to you, unless you be converted, and become as little kids, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.   Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little kid, he is the greater in the kingdom of heaven.   And he that shall receive one such little kid in my name, receiveth me.

    Isaias (Isaiah) 66:7
    Before she was in labour, she brought forth; before her time came to be delivered, she brought forth a man kid.

    Matthew 1:18
    Now the generation of Christ was in this wise. When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with kid, of the Holy Ghost.

    Matthew 1:23
    Behold a virgin shall be with kid, and bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

    Matthew 2:8
    And sending them into Bethlehem, said: Go and diligently inquire after the kid, and when you have found him, bring me word again, that I also may come to adore him.

    Matthew 2:9
    Who having heard the king, went their way; and behold the star which they had seen in the east, went before them, until it came and stood over where the kid was.

    Matthew 2:11
    And entering into the house, they found the kid with Mary his mother, and falling down they adored him; and opening their treasures, they offered him gifts; gold, frankincense, and myrrh.

    Matthew 2:13
    And after they were departed, behold an angel of the Lord appeared in sleep to Joseph, saying: Arise, and take the kid and his mother, and fly into Egypt: and be there until I shall tell thee. For it will come to pass that Herod will seek the child to destroy him.

    Matthew 2:14
    Who arose, and took the kid and his mother by night, and retired into Egypt: and he was there until the death of Herod:

    Matthew 2:20
    Saying: Arise, and take the kid and his mother, and go into the land of Israel. For they are dead that sought the life of the child.

    Matthew 2:21
    Who arose, and took the kid and his mother, and came into the land of Israel.

    Luke 2:17
    And seeing, they understood of the word that had been spoken to them concerning this child.

    Luke 2:21
    And after eight days were accomplished, that the child should be circuмcised, his name was called JESUS, which was called by the angel, before he was conceived in the womb.

    Luke 2:27
    And he came by the Spirit into the temple. And when his parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him according to the custom of the law,

    Matthew 5:9
    Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called kids of God.

    Matthew 8:12
    But the kids of the kingdom shall be cast out into the exterior darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    Matthew 14:21
    And the number of them that did eat, was five thousand men, besides women and kids.


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    « Reply #1 on: June 08, 2016, 08:38:15 PM »
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  • I can spy wit' ye eye ye point, but i reckon 'tis be goin' a wee too far.
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    « Reply #2 on: June 08, 2016, 09:05:47 PM »
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    I can spy wit' ye eye ye point, but i reckon 'tis be goin' a wee too far.


    It's a good thing I didn't cite all 1604 times the word children is found in SS or the 1771 times the word child is mentioned!

    Here's another good article, though: by Marian T. Horvat

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    « Reply #3 on: June 08, 2016, 09:28:43 PM »
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  • I don't see the problem. If you call children "kids" in a colloquial setting, so what? It's such a trivial matter  :confused1:
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    « Reply #4 on: June 08, 2016, 09:54:55 PM »
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    I don't see the problem. If you call children "kids" in a colloquial setting, so what? It's such a trivial matter

    Hope you had a chance to at least glance through, both of the articles I hyperlinked.  There's some good food for thought in each one.  It's obviously not the end of the world if we use kid/s as opposed to child/children, but I think it is something we should at least give some serious consideration to.  That said, I am fully aware of the fact that old habits, be they of language or otherwise, often die hard!


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    « Reply #5 on: June 08, 2016, 10:00:20 PM »
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    I don't see the problem. If you call children "kids" in a colloquial setting, so what? It's such a trivial matter

    Hope you had a chance to at least glance through, both of the articles I hyperlinked.  There's some good food for thought in each one.  It's obviously not the end of the world if we use kid/s as opposed to child/children, but I think it is something we should at least give some serious consideration to.  That said, I am fully aware of the fact that old habits, be they of language or otherwise, often die hard!





    Marian T. Horvat has some strange ideas. She has an unusual obsession with the social elite, and she believes it's scandalous for women and girls to engage in athletic activity. God pretty much cares whether or not you profess the true faith and follow the ten commandments- not your usage of vocabulary (except with vulgarity and using his name in vain)
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    « Reply #6 on: June 08, 2016, 10:07:36 PM »
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  • The real concern is that in our language, a kid is also a young goat.  And, we as catholics are called to be like lambs/sheep, not goats.   I think our lord even said he came to separate the sheep from the goats.  
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15

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    « Reply #7 on: June 08, 2016, 10:10:11 PM »
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    The real concern is that in our language, a kid is also a young goat.  And, we as catholics are called to be like lambs/sheep, not goats.   I think our lord even said he came to separate the sheep from the goats.  



    Many words in English mean two different things. for example a murder of crows and the act of murder, a school of fish. Also it's quite extreme to jump to the last judgement, nobody is insinuating that a child is damned to hell by calling them a kid. In fact, goats are not even evil creatures, no animal is, but they were used to represent the damned in that particular parable of the last judgement.
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    « Reply #8 on: June 09, 2016, 12:53:56 PM »
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  • I thought these 2 articles were actually very good, but apparently there are some trads who disfavor them for whatever reasons: CHILDREN, NOT KIDS and KIDS VS CHILDREN

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    « Reply #9 on: June 09, 2016, 06:28:11 PM »
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    Rather amazing (or perhaps and unfortunately not so amazing) how so many trads including their priests, from the pulpit no less, refer to children as kids.


    Thanks for the information, though I knew enough not to call my children kids.

    By the way, my mother taught me the social etiquette lessons taught by Mary Horvath, and they have made me able to mingle with business clients all over the world, very cultured and rich people and helped me provide well for my family. Many of my friends never got anywhere because they felt uncomfortable around the the people I deal with today on a daily basis, as equals.

    To each his own.
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    « Reply #10 on: June 10, 2016, 12:26:02 AM »
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    ...she believes it's scandalous for women and girls to engage in athletic activity.


    Not so. Her criticism was against the way women are dressing for sports nowadays, not against athletic activities themselves.

    Which is why she posted pictures of ice skaters and skiers before Vatican 2, who were fully covered.

    I myself have seen how women who played tennis before Vatican 2 dressed: fully covered.


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    « Reply #11 on: June 10, 2016, 11:52:42 AM »
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    I don't see the problem. If you call children "kids" in a colloquial setting, so what? It's such a trivial matter

    Hope you had a chance to at least glance through, both of the articles I hyperlinked.  There's some good food for thought in each one.  It's obviously not the end of the world if we use kid/s as opposed to child/children, but I think it is something we should at least give some serious consideration to.  That said, I am fully aware of the fact that old habits, be they of language or otherwise, often die hard!





    Marian T. Horvat has some strange ideas. She has an unusual obsession with the social elite, and she believes it's scandalous for women and girls to engage in athletic activity. God pretty much cares whether or not you profess the true faith and follow the ten commandments- not your usage of vocabulary (except with vulgarity and using his name in vain)


    I don't agree with girls in competitive sports either. I had my son's soccer team switched once because a woman was coaching. Another time he declined to play on a team that had women on it. That said I have no problem women exercising or belonging to a ladies gym.

    Our vocabulary and lifestyle does matter, we are not who cares about the rest of your life type of protestants.

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    « Reply #12 on: June 10, 2016, 02:11:55 PM »
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    I don't see the problem. If you call children "kids" in a colloquial setting, so what? It's such a trivial matter

    Hope you had a chance to at least glance through, both of the articles I hyperlinked.  There's some good food for thought in each one.  It's obviously not the end of the world if we use kid/s as opposed to child/children, but I think it is something we should at least give some serious consideration to.  That said, I am fully aware of the fact that old habits, be they of language or otherwise, often die hard!





    Marian T. Horvat has some strange ideas. She has an unusual obsession with the social elite, and she believes it's scandalous for women and girls to engage in athletic activity. God pretty much cares whether or not you profess the true faith and follow the ten commandments- not your usage of vocabulary (except with vulgarity and using his name in vain)


    I don't agree with girls in competitive sports either. I had my son's soccer team switched once because a woman was coaching. Another time he declined to play on a team that had women on it. That said I have no problem women exercising or belonging to a ladies gym.

    Our vocabulary and lifestyle does matter, we are not who cares about the rest of your life type of protestants.




    What's the matter with a woman who is a coach? if she can execute the duty of a coach adequately, I don't see a conceivable reason as to why it could be problematic. In fact, most sports are generally gender-neutral, so I think women playing competitive sports is fine.
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    « Reply #13 on: June 11, 2016, 01:18:01 PM »
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  • If you have nothing better to worry about than this, please thank God you have such a blessed life and then be quiet.  
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    « Reply #14 on: June 18, 2016, 07:17:02 PM »
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    If you have nothing better to worry about than this, please thank God you have such a blessed life and then be quiet.

    Perhaps, you will follow your own advice and be quiet!