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Offline MiracleOfTheSun

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Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
« Reply #30 on: December 22, 2025, 01:47:17 PM »
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  • You ...attack the resistance, because they are a threat to you. 

    Serious question: where do you come up with these ideas???

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    Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
    « Reply #31 on: December 22, 2025, 02:05:24 PM »
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  • So cute to watch sedes try to appear more intelligent that the resistance.

    Some might say it is even cuter to watch you make it clear that you are less intelligent than the vast majority of Trads of whatever persuasion.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
    « Reply #32 on: December 22, 2025, 02:07:28 PM »
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  • Serious question: where do you come up with these ideas???

    As I've pointed out in my previous interractions with this joker, his mind appears to have been warped by malice, which often has the result of warping your logical faculties.  St. Thomas points out that since the intellect is naturally inclined to truth, which is its proper object, deviations from the truth tend to involve the action of bad will.

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    Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
    « Reply #33 on: December 22, 2025, 02:13:34 PM »
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  • When faced with a complex situation, a quick and easy solution often comes to mind. This is what happens when people encounter Sedevacantism.

    Stupid.  Strawman.  Gaslighting.  People didn't come up with sedevacantism because it's "quick and easy".  It has everything to do with Traditional Catholic Ecclesiology and Catholic Theology regarding the Papacy.

    On the contrary, it's R&R that's "easy", emotionally easy ... where you can have your Pope and eat him too, as it were, pretend that you don't have to make those difficult judgments.  It's because SV is too emotionally difficult for people that they cling with white knuckles to R&R.  See! See! there's a picture of Prevost in the vestibule.  We're not schismatics.  But we can ignore Prevost and have our Mass, our smells and bells anyway.  THAT is easy, having your cake and eating it too.

    Most Traditional Catholics start out as R&R, since that's the easy baby step.  But then something happens.  That something usually involves picking up pre-Vatican II theology textbooks, manuals, and treatises on Catholic ecclesiology ... which, once you read, you can't un-read, and you realize that R&R fails.

    I asked Bishop Williamson about this on one long walk around the seminary, and he told me that "well, those manuals could not have foreseen this crisis", to which I said, "But don't the principles still hold, or are we now relativists?  Principles outlast their application.  If they do not apply to this situation, we need to explain why and how they don't apply, but we don't throw out the principles that all Catholic have agreed on for nealry 2000 years."  He had no response.

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    Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
    « Reply #34 on: December 22, 2025, 02:17:03 PM »
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  • You should listen to your Pope.

    So, are you addressing it to his three followers?  Do, pray tell, let us know which posters on this forum consider him to be the pope ... you lying slandering shit-poster.


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    Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
    « Reply #35 on: December 22, 2025, 02:17:38 PM »
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  • Stupid.  Strawman.  Gaslighting.  People didn't come up with sedevacantism because it's "quick and easy".  It has everything to do with Traditional Catholic Ecclesiology and Catholic Theology regarding the Papacy.

    Most Traditional Catholics start out as R&R, since that's the easy baby step.  But then something happens.  That something usually involves picking up pre-Vatican II theology textbooks, manuals, and treatises on Catholic ecclesiology ... which, once you read, you can't un-read, and you realize that R&R fails.

    Anyone who wants to know can just contact Sean.  He's on Substack.  He's lived both and is pretty clear and candid about why he could no longer adhere to his former position.  He will also happily bring the receipts, as they say.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
    « Reply #36 on: December 22, 2025, 02:19:32 PM »
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  • Sure. When he starts doing his job.

    Right .. in the meantime, you take it upon yourself to do his job, to tell everyone what is and what isn't consistent with Tradition.  Hey, wait a minute!, that's precisely the role of the Papacy and the Magisterium, as taught and defined by Vatican I ... for which Christ has promised his protection.  But maybe you're more protected.  Perhaps we should submit shit-poster here for canonization since he's received the papal charism by divine revelation.  I know.  Next time I'm unsure about whether to accept Prevost's latest command or Encyclical, I can ask this loser here what I should do.

    He makes fun of Clemente proclaiming himself pope, but every single R&R make themselves into popes ... stupid clowns that they are.

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    Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
    « Reply #37 on: December 22, 2025, 02:20:48 PM »
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  • As I've pointed out in my previous interractions with this joker, his mind appears to have been warped by malice, which often has the result of warping your logical faculties.  St. Thomas points out that since the intellect is naturally inclined to truth, which is its proper object, deviations from the truth tend to involve the action of bad will.

    It was rants exactly like his that initially prompted me to look at the dreaded evil of sedevacantism.  And without the continual barrage of 'stay away!!!' I might have never left the Resistance. 

    So for that I say, "Thank you, Kimmage and everyone else who shares your 'zeal'." 


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    Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
    « Reply #38 on: December 22, 2025, 02:24:31 PM »
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  • It was rants exactly like his, however, that initially prompted me to look at the dreaded evil of sedevacantism.  And without the continual barrage of 'stay away!!!' I might have never left the Resistance. 

    So for that I say, "Thank you, Kimmage and everyone else who shares your 'zeal'." 

    Well ... that's because the grace of God was acting in you, and you were corresponding with it, but this kind of garbage, these fallacies that average people are unable to dispel since they're not educated, it and have a confusing impact on people and inculcate attitudes of Old Catholicism in people.

    Similarly, one thing that attracted me to Tradtional Catholicism in the first place was where a couple Jesuits at my High School showed these videos mocking the Tridentine Mass, describing the priest as babbling unintelligibly with his back turned to the people ... but it involved showing a few minutes of footage from it.  Tuning out their commentary like the Charlie Brown Cartoon of "blah blah blah", I found myself mesmerized by the Mass.  So it backfired ... in my case.  But I'm sure that it propagandized many others against Traditionn.

    Sadly, because of people like this, a significant percentage of today's R&R are very thinly-veiled smells-and-bells Old Catholics, many of whom may not even have the Catholic faith at this time, since they are rejecting the papacy as being the proximate rule of faith except for regarding the extremely rare solemn dogmatic definition.

    So they still need to be exposed for who they are.

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    Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
    « Reply #39 on: December 22, 2025, 02:32:36 PM »
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  • It was rants exactly like his that initially prompted me to look at the dreaded evil of sedevacantism.  And without the continual barrage of 'stay away!!!' I might have never left the Resistance. 

    So for that I say, "Thank you, Kimmage and everyone else who shares your 'zeal'."


    And yet here you are. 
    Posting on a resistance forum.

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    Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
    « Reply #40 on: December 22, 2025, 02:33:23 PM »
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  • Are you a Cardinal? Bishop?

    You know ... this guy is so retarded (due to heretical depravity) that he has no clue that he's condemning himself from his own mouth.  R&R make themsleves judges over the Pope and the Magisterium, where THEY decided if the Pope was right or wrong, inverting precisely the very role of the Magisterium, where the Magisterium is supposed to tell US whether our opinions are right or wrong.  So R&R put themselves above the Pope.

    Now, both SV and R&R have concluded that the Conciliar Church is not Catholic, but SVs uphold the perennial Catholic teaching that the Pope and the Magisterium tell us what to believe and what to do.  We theorize, consistent with much Catholic prophecy and private revelation ... which is not inconsistent with the promises of Christ, that the reason this has happened is that "an enemy hath done this", that usurper non-popes have infiltrated what had been the visible institutions and office of the Church.  So the SV theory means to keep perennial Traditional Catholic ecclesiology intact, and this theory / solution does precisely that.  R&R on the other hand completely subvert Tradtion in pretending to uphold it ... just like Old Catholics do, as they cling to the traditional external but wreck the proximate rule of faith.  They throw nearly 2000 years of Catholic ecclesiology under the bus to save Prevost and Bergoglio, and the Apostate Satanic Lavender Mafia that have infiltrated the Church.  They blaspheme Holy Mother Church by telling everyone that she's become a Whore.


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    Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
    « Reply #41 on: December 22, 2025, 02:35:00 PM »
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  • As I've pointed out in my previous interractions with this joker, his mind appears to have been warped by malice, which often has the result of warping your logical faculties.  St. Thomas points out that since the intellect is naturally inclined to truth, which is its proper object, deviations from the truth tend to involve the action of bad will.


    I make jibes at you either because they are true, or just for fun.

    But you make jibes at me because you are genuinely bitter and angry. Shown by the storming out and coming back. Like an alcoholic from a bar. 

    Yes indeed the mind inclines to Truth. Which is why well intentioned people will always come to the resistance and not to the 400 Bishop Thuc line nonsense.

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    Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
    « Reply #42 on: December 22, 2025, 02:37:24 PM »
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  • You know ... this guy is so retarded (due to heretical depravity) that he has no clue that he's condemning himself from his own mouth.  R&R make themsleves judges over the Pope and the Magisterium, where THEY decided if the Pope was right or wrong, inverting precisely the very role of the Magisterium, where the Magisterium is supposed to tell US whether our opinions are right or wrong.  So R&R put themselves above the Pope.

    Now, both SV and R&R have concluded that the Conciliar Church is not Catholic, but SVs uphold the perennial Catholic teaching that the Pope and the Magisterium tell us what to believe and what to do.  We theorize, consistent with much Catholic prophecy and private revelation ... which is not inconsistent with the promises of Christ, that the reason this has happened is that "an enemy hath done this", that usurper non-popes have infiltrated what had been the visible institutions and office of the Church.  So the SV theory means to keep perennial Traditional Catholic ecclesiology intact, and this theory / solution does precisely that.  R&R on the other hand completely subvert Tradtion in pretending to uphold it ... just like Old Catholics do, as they cling to the traditional external but wreck the proximate rule of faith.  They throw nearly 2000 years of Catholic ecclesiology under the bus to save Prevost and Bergoglio, and the Apostate Satanic Lavender Mafia that have infiltrated the Church.  They blaspheme Holy Mother Church by telling everyone that she's become a Whore.



    I really think its lost on you how hypocritical it is for you to complain to Matthew about how he tolerates me and my mocking Thuc, while at the same time you viciously attack everything Bishop Williamson stood for. The same Bishop Williamson that Matthew loves so much (as I do too).

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    Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
    « Reply #43 on: December 22, 2025, 02:37:50 PM »
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  • Well ... that's because the grace of God was acting in you, and you were corresponding with it, but this kind of garbage, these fallacies that average people are unable to dispel since they're not educated, it and have a confusing impact on people and inculcate attitudes of Old Catholicism in people.

    Sadly, because of people like this, a significant percentage of today's R&R are very thinly-veiled smells-and-bells Old Catholics, many of whom may not even have the Catholic faith at this time, since they are rejecting the papacy as being the proximate rule of faith except for regarding the extremely rare solemn dogmatic definition.

    So they still need to be exposed for who they are.

    My dad had a boyhood friend who always said, "There's a Catholic way to do everything."  And canonizing heretics / apostates just doesn't seem like that Catholic way.  Go figure. 

    The thing about using Honorius as an example is that the anathema shows exactly what the Church thinks about even the whiff of heresy.  Honorius and his failings are a spit wad compared to the nuclear h0Ɩ0cαųst detonated daily by the 'canonized popes' of late.  There is no comparison or, it could be said, just a really, really crappy one.

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    Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
    « Reply #44 on: December 22, 2025, 05:35:52 PM »
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  • We know full well that sedevacantism (the dogmatic kind) will be judged harshly by history.

    Mainly because of it's fruits.
    :facepalm:  Dogmatic sedeism should be rejected, just like the 'dogmatic R&Rism' of the Arville Dominicans.

    Both R&R is a theory and so is Sedeism.  That is the conclusion.  That is the truth. 

    Any side which wavers from theory to dogmatism, is wrong.  The current crisis has. no. concrete. solution.  Why is this so difficult for Trad clerics to grasp?

    Every flavor of Tradism, if it is valid, and if it rejects V2/new mass = acceptable to God.

    Outside of this, and God is not pleased.  It's that simple.