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Offline MiracleOfTheSun

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Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2025, 06:44:03 PM »
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    Offline MiracleOfTheSun

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    Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
    « Reply #16 on: December 21, 2025, 06:46:43 PM »
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  • Lol. Another sede trying to pretend to be more intelligent than the rest of us.
    What a surprise.

    ???


    It's not really that complicated. 

    1) You said he isn't doing his job. 

    2) Someone asks you what you think his job is.

    3) You produce a dance routine Bojangles himself would be proud of.  (without answering the question, and adding some snide remark)

    4) Kimmage, bud, that's how to do it!




    Offline Freind

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    Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
    « Reply #17 on: December 21, 2025, 06:50:31 PM »
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  • Lol. Another sede trying to pretend to be more intelligent than the rest of us.
    What a surprise.

    How about "more informed"?  Nothing wrong with thinking that!

    One does not have to be more intelligent to be more informed.

    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
    « Reply #18 on: December 21, 2025, 07:41:27 PM »
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  • Are you a Cardinal? Bishop?
    Maybe worry about saying your prayers and keeping away from Thuc Sacraments.

    Just what I thought….:laugh1:
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
    « Reply #19 on: Yesterday at 06:24:25 AM »
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  • Sedevacantism is an attempt to answer a question that is not in the realm of the faithful to answer. Nor to solve. 

    You build other things around it, like justifying attending Thuc line Sacraments, and attack the resistance, because they are a threat to you. 

    A large number of sedes are troubled people. Some are autistic, and others are plain prideful. But not all. some are perfectly reasonable people. However the theory, usually leads to other mad theories, and this bad fruit is something to take note of for a discerning person coming from the Novus Ordo, or thinking about converting to Catholicism from something else. 400 Thuc line bishops says it all really. Not to mention God only knows how many "Popes".

    So if you want to have it as a theory, like Father Ringrose or many other resistance priests, then fine. But the second you start going down other mad rabbit holes then I say stop. Examine your conscience, focus on other things in your life that dont involve posting on the internet like some moron who thinks they know better than everyone else.


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    Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
    « Reply #20 on: Yesterday at 06:28:01 AM »
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  • Generally, in life and in this crisis, one cannot settle everything with a "yes" or "no." There are cases where we must say "perhaps" or "I do not know." It is not necessary for a good Catholic to have a categorical answer to every question posed by the current crisis. In fact, for certain things, virtue consists in suspending judgment and not deciding too quickly. This is a matter of prudence, justice, and wisdom.

    Prudence tells us not to rush and not to meddle in matters that do not concern us. Justice warns us against "rash judgments." While we must make objective judgments about right and wrong, truth and falsehood, we must be much more cautious when judging persons, especially those for whom we are not responsible. The Gospel tells us we will be judged as we judge others. Finally, wisdom—as St. Thomas Aquinas advised—teaches us not to scrutinize things that are beyond us. We must maintain humility in the face of certain religious realities.




    I liked these lines from Fathers talk.

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    Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
    « Reply #21 on: Yesterday at 08:34:03 AM »
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  • Sedevacantism is an attempt to answer a question that is not in the realm of the faithful to answer. Nor to solve.

    What you are really saying there is, "If I can't do it, nobody can."

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    Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
    « Reply #22 on: Yesterday at 09:01:36 AM »
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  • :facepalm:  The OP article is stupid.  Sedevacantism is not a temptation, it’s a theological theory.  You can’t condemn It.  You can disagree with it all you want but to ignore the historical elements of it and the multiple of saints who have discussed it, is just plain stupid. 

    When history books look back on this time period, the story will not be “R&R vs Sedevacantism”. 

    It will be the poor leadership, lack of charity and cult minded thinking of the LEADERS of both camps.  None of these so-called leaders desire peace or stability.  They just keep encouraging in-fighting amongst the laity.  This is the true tragedy.


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    Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
    « Reply #23 on: Yesterday at 09:39:21 AM »
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    None of these so-called leaders desire peace or stability.  They just keep encouraging in-fighting amongst the laity.
    If your bishop thinks it is important why not ask him to explain it to you better?



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    Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
    « Reply #24 on: Yesterday at 11:16:19 AM »
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  • What you are really saying there is, "If I can't do it, nobody can."
    Not quite. It's because the moral certainty we would normally have comes from the hierarchy as a whole and their action. It's THEIR job, not ours to decide who becomes Pope. If they keep electing heretics, thats on them. We as laity just have to avoid associating with them and the Pope they elect.

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    Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
    « Reply #25 on: Yesterday at 11:17:27 AM »
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  • :facepalm:  The OP article is stupid.  Sedevacantism is not a temptation, it’s a theological theory.  You can’t condemn It.  You can disagree with it all you want but to ignore the historical elements of it and the multiple of saints who have discussed it, is just plain stupid. 

    When history books look back on this time period, the story will not be “R&R vs Sedevacantism”. 

    It will be the poor leadership, lack of charity and cult minded thinking of the LEADERS of both camps.  None of these so-called leaders desire peace or stability.  They just keep encouraging in-fighting amongst the laity.  This is the true tragedy.


    We know full well that sedevacantism (the dogmatic kind) will be judged harshly by history.

    Mainly because of it's fruits. 


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    Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
    « Reply #26 on: Yesterday at 11:18:08 AM »
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  • So cute to watch sedes try to appear more intelligent that the resistance.

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    Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
    « Reply #27 on: Yesterday at 11:21:04 AM »
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  • Not quite. It's because the moral certainty we would normally have comes from the hierarchy as a whole and their action. It's THEIR job, not ours to decide who becomes Pope. If they keep electing heretics, thats on them. We as laity just have to avoid associating with them and the Pope they elect.

    Yes, resist a man you say is a true pope. 

    Did you see the post I made giving St. Francis de Sales' quote about a pope becoming an explicit heretic?  No faculty or authority is required to determined he is no longer pope. The only authority to free up the Roman See for another election is not them. We ALL determine a man is a false pope by the authority of reason enlightened by faith.

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    Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
    « Reply #28 on: Yesterday at 11:22:50 AM »
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  • So cute to watch sedes try to appear more intelligent that the resistance.

    Not intelligence; a greater virtue of faith. Whether that looks "cute" to you, perhaps we can argue whether milk tastes good.

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    Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
    « Reply #29 on: Yesterday at 11:30:05 AM »
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  • It's because the moral certainty we would normally have comes from the hierarchy as a whole and their action.


    You don't listen to Leo, why would you listen to any other Pope...

    They is what they do when they get called out and have no answer.... crickets....sign off...