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Author Topic: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille  (Read 10218 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
« Reply #30 on: December 22, 2025, 02:13:34 PM »
When faced with a complex situation, a quick and easy solution often comes to mind. This is what happens when people encounter Sedevacantism.

Stupid.  Strawman.  Gaslighting.  People didn't come up with sedevacantism because it's "quick and easy".  It has everything to do with Traditional Catholic Ecclesiology and Catholic Theology regarding the Papacy.

On the contrary, it's R&R that's "easy", emotionally easy ... where you can have your Pope and eat him too, as it were, pretend that you don't have to make those difficult judgments.  It's because SV is too emotionally difficult for people that they cling with white knuckles to R&R.  See! See! there's a picture of Prevost in the vestibule.  We're not schismatics.  But we can ignore Prevost and have our Mass, our smells and bells anyway.  THAT is easy, having your cake and eating it too.

Most Traditional Catholics start out as R&R, since that's the easy baby step.  But then something happens.  That something usually involves picking up pre-Vatican II theology textbooks, manuals, and treatises on Catholic ecclesiology ... which, once you read, you can't un-read, and you realize that R&R fails.

I asked Bishop Williamson about this on one long walk around the seminary, and he told me that "well, those manuals could not have foreseen this crisis", to which I said, "But don't the principles still hold, or are we now relativists?  Principles outlast their application.  If they do not apply to this situation, we need to explain why and how they don't apply, but we don't throw out the principles that all Catholic have agreed on for nealry 2000 years."  He had no response.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
« Reply #31 on: December 22, 2025, 02:17:03 PM »

You should listen to your Pope.

So, are you addressing it to his three followers?  Do, pray tell, let us know which posters on this forum consider him to be the pope ... you lying slandering shit-poster.


Offline gladius_veritatis

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Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
« Reply #32 on: December 22, 2025, 02:17:38 PM »
Stupid.  Strawman.  Gaslighting.  People didn't come up with sedevacantism because it's "quick and easy".  It has everything to do with Traditional Catholic Ecclesiology and Catholic Theology regarding the Papacy.

Most Traditional Catholics start out as R&R, since that's the easy baby step.  But then something happens.  That something usually involves picking up pre-Vatican II theology textbooks, manuals, and treatises on Catholic ecclesiology ... which, once you read, you can't un-read, and you realize that R&R fails.

Anyone who wants to know can just contact Sean.  He's on Substack.  He's lived both and is pretty clear and candid about why he could no longer adhere to his former position.  He will also happily bring the receipts, as they say.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
« Reply #33 on: December 22, 2025, 02:19:32 PM »
Sure. When he starts doing his job.

Right .. in the meantime, you take it upon yourself to do his job, to tell everyone what is and what isn't consistent with Tradition.  Hey, wait a minute!, that's precisely the role of the Papacy and the Magisterium, as taught and defined by Vatican I ... for which Christ has promised his protection.  But maybe you're more protected.  Perhaps we should submit shit-poster here for canonization since he's received the papal charism by divine revelation.  I know.  Next time I'm unsure about whether to accept Prevost's latest command or Encyclical, I can ask this loser here what I should do.

He makes fun of Clemente proclaiming himself pope, but every single R&R make themselves into popes ... stupid clowns that they are.

Re: The temptation of sedevacantism - Dominicans Avrille
« Reply #34 on: December 22, 2025, 02:20:48 PM »
As I've pointed out in my previous interractions with this joker, his mind appears to have been warped by malice, which often has the result of warping your logical faculties.  St. Thomas points out that since the intellect is naturally inclined to truth, which is its proper object, deviations from the truth tend to involve the action of bad will.

It was rants exactly like his that initially prompted me to look at the dreaded evil of sedevacantism.  And without the continual barrage of 'stay away!!!' I might have never left the Resistance. 

So for that I say, "Thank you, Kimmage and everyone else who shares your 'zeal'."