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The discussion with Bishop Williamson
« on: February 26, 2023, 10:18:52 AM »
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    Re: The discussion with Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #1 on: February 27, 2023, 02:16:30 PM »
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  • Since we no longer attend sspx, I'd like to inquire of those on CI who still do.  Most particularly, I'd like to know the following:  Do you ever hear an sspx priest saying things similar to the words coming from +W?  For example-
    1) Do sspx priests ever address 'h0Ɩ0cαųstianity' from the pulpit?  Do these priests, (or does your sspx priest) ever speak about the so-called 'h0Ɩ0cαųst and its historicity? about the phony gas chamber narrative?

    2)  Do sspx priests ever attempt to expos  Francis from the pulpit, as does +W.  His Excellency seems to be saying that the present pope has no authority to do what he does; does not know what he's doing and what the truth really is?  Do they ever claim, like +W, that Francis tells one lie after another?

    Any takers? 


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    Re: The discussion with Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #2 on: February 27, 2023, 02:28:09 PM »
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  • I would add this thought --

    Lack of noxious doctrine is a good start, and acceptable for THE SHORT TERM. However, lack of positive good can cause problems long term.

    Here is an example of what I mean: in the Novus Ordo, various changes were made to the Liturgy and teaching practices, which are 99% sins of omission. No longer calling the Mass a Sacrifice: just saying "meal meal meal" 9 times out of 10 which is true, strictly speaking, but is only part of the truth. By exaggerating one aspect of the Mass to the exclusion of the others, it's a distortion and ultimately a lie. Because, in effect, they teach by their OMISSIONS that the Mass is ONLY a meal, which is FALSE.

    Also, the Church never came out and defined or declared that Purgatory doesn't exist. But by changing the funeral Mass, regular sermons/teaching practices, subjects and priorities, they ended up convincing the majority of Conciliar Catholics that Purgatory doesn't exist. I know of N.O. Catholics as long ago as the 1980s who literally said they don't believe in purgatory. DESPITE THE FACT THAT NOWHERE IN VATICAN II DOC'UMENTS OR QUOTES FROM CLERICS WAS PURGATORY DONE AWAY WITH.

    Now apply this to modern-day SSPX priests "keeping their head down" and you'll see my point. Yes, for those trained IN THE OLD FAITH they'll be OK, perhaps for years. The omissions won't hurt them, since perhaps they learned those things elsewhere. But the next generation will be in trouble, due to what these priests FAIL to teach and preach in their sermons. When and where will they learn about the hol0 hoax? It's a replacement for Christianity. It's NOT a distraction, a nice extra, or something that doesn't matter. It matters like nothing else!
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    Re: The discussion with Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #3 on: February 27, 2023, 03:50:25 PM »
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  • My youngest kid asked the SSPX priest yesterday "What do you think of Francis banning traditional sacraments?" and the priest's reply was "Oh, who is that calling me?" while he looked at his phone. 

    :facepalm:

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    Re: The discussion with Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #4 on: February 27, 2023, 03:59:14 PM »
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  • Since we no longer attend sspx, I'd like to inquire of those on CI who still do.  Most particularly, I'd like to know the following:  Do you ever hear an sspx priest saying things similar to the words coming from +W?  For example-
    1) Do sspx priests ever address 'h0Ɩ0cαųstianity' from the pulpit?  Do these priests, (or does your sspx priest) ever speak about the so-called 'h0Ɩ0cαųst and its historicity? about the phony gas chamber narrative?

    2)  Do sspx priests ever attempt to expos  Francis from the pulpit, as does +W.  His Excellency seems to be saying that the present pope has no authority to do what he does; does not know what he's doing and what the truth really is?  Do they ever claim, like +W, that Francis tells one lie after another?

    Any takers?

    Do you mind if I ask.....does the priest where you attend Mass now address the problem of h0Ɩ0cαųstianity? And if so, how often does he address it? 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: The discussion with Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #5 on: February 27, 2023, 11:10:50 PM »
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    Do you mind if I ask.....does the priest where you attend Mass now address the problem of h0Ɩ0cαųstianity? And if so, how often does he address it? 
    Is Meg it? 


     I'll just have to assume that none of you sspxers can remember a sermon in which the priest said the same kinds of things that +W did.  But I can understand that you may not want to talk about.it.  In the 10 years we were with the Society, we never heard a sermon which dared to broach the revealing, nevertheless true matters which +W speaks of freely.  The pope wouldn't like it.  Neither would the Jews.

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    Re: The discussion with Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #6 on: February 27, 2023, 11:29:46 PM »
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     I'll just have to assume that none of you sspxers can remember a sermon in which the priest said the same kinds of things that +W did.  But I can understand that you may not want to talk about.it.  In the 10 years we were with the Society, we never heard a sermon which dared to broach the revealing, nevertheless true matters which +W speaks of freely.  The pope wouldn't like it.  Neither would the Jєωs.

    What's more... in the 10 years you were with the Society did you ever hear of a sermon condemning the Noahide Laws?

    These laws have been declared the law of the land in the US on the national, state and local scale for over 40 year now.

    Many love to talk about the h0Ɩ0cαųst, but what about laws that call for the beheading of Christians?

    Where is the outcry?

    I'm not hearing it from either the SSPX or the resistance or sedevacantists.

    Why?

    See here for more:


    https://stopnoahidelaw.blogspot.com/
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: The discussion with Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #7 on: February 27, 2023, 11:33:40 PM »
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  • What's more... in the 10 years you were with the Society did you ever hear of a sermon condemning the Noahide Laws?

    These laws have been declared the law of the land in the US on the national, state and local scale for over 40 year now.

    Many love to talk about the h0Ɩ0cαųst, but what about laws that call for the beheading of Christians?

    Where is the outcry?

    I'm not hearing it from either the SSPX or the resistance or sedevacantists.

    Why?

    See here for more:


    https://stopnoahidelaw.blogspot.com/

    Noahide law is the official law of the UN.  Why are there no sermons against this?

    "WHAT'S THE PUNISHMENT IF A GENTILE TRANSGRESSES THE NOAHIDE LAWS? DEATH!!!" - RABBI

    1min 30sec
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/IaCnyGxLDkhV/


    So are these bishops are looking out for our best interests?


    Noahide Law is the official law of the UN.  Where are the Catholic priests calling this out???


    RABBI YAAKOV COHEN DIRECTOR UN NGO THE INSTITUTE FOR NOAHIDE CODE
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/lTGEuYz3hibo/
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: The discussion with Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #8 on: February 28, 2023, 01:10:43 AM »
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  • Noahide law is the official law of the UN.  Why are there no sermons against this?

    "WHAT'S THE PUNISHMENT IF A GENTILE TRANSGRESSES THE NOAHIDE LAWS? DEATH!!!" - RABBI

    1min 30sec
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/IaCnyGxLDkhV/


    So are these bishops are looking out for our best interests?


    Noahide Law is the official law of the UN.  Where are the Catholic priests calling this out???


    RABBI YAAKOV COHEN DIRECTOR UN NGO THE INSTITUTE FOR NOAHIDE CODE
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/lTGEuYz3hibo/


    Do these Catholic bishops and priests not know about the following??:

    Uniting the United Nations with Seven Noahide Laws Diplomats, Delegates, and Emissaries Gather at UN Headquarters

    for "One People, One World" Conference UNITED NATIONS, New York (June 10, 2013) –


    On the heels of the Lubavitcher Rebbe's 19th Yahrtzeit, members of the UN Diplomatic corps, UN Press Officers, and and other officials gathered at the UN headquarters in New York to learn how

    the Seven Noahide Laws must play a key role in international efforts for world peace.

    "On this day, people from all over the world gathered on behalf of the Laws of Noah," said Rabbi Yakov D. Cohen, head of the Institute of Noahide Code, which sponsored the conference. "Their observance is required, so that the vision of the United Nations—to have a settled and civilized world, filled with economic justice and righteousness—will prevail."


    See the full docuмent here;

    https://www.un.org/ecosoc/sites/www.un.org.ecosoc/files/files/en/2016doc/list-oral-statment-institute-of-noahide-code.pdf
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: The discussion with Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #9 on: February 28, 2023, 02:08:55 AM »
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  • Do you mind if I ask.....does the priest where you attend Mass now address the problem of h0Ɩ0cαųstianity? And if so, how often does he address it?
    Even Popes haven't adressed these issue for centuries. 

    Can't even really remember Archbishop Lefevbre touching on this. 

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    Re: The discussion with Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #10 on: February 28, 2023, 05:08:41 AM »
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  • Since we no longer attend sspx, I'd like to inquire of those on CI who still do.  Most particularly, I'd like to know the following:  Do you ever hear an sspx priest saying things similar to the words coming from +W?  For example-
    1) Do sspx priests ever address 'h0Ɩ0cαųstianity' from the pulpit?  Do these priests, (or does your sspx priest) ever speak about the so-called 'h0Ɩ0cαųst and its historicity? about the phony gas chamber narrative?

    2)  Do sspx priests ever attempt to expos  Francis from the pulpit, as does +W.  His Excellency seems to be saying that the present pope has no authority to do what he does; does not know what he's doing and what the truth really is?  Do they ever claim, like +W, that Francis tells one lie after another?

    Any takers?
    1) No
    2) No
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    Re: The discussion with Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #11 on: February 28, 2023, 08:57:25 AM »
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     I'll just have to assume that none of you sspxers can remember a sermon in which the priest said the same kinds of things that +W did.  But I can understand that you may not want to talk about.it.  In the 10 years we were with the Society, we never heard a sermon which dared to broach the revealing, nevertheless true matters which +W speaks of freely.  The pope wouldn't like it.  Neither would the Jєωs.

    I can't recall a sermon by any SSPX priest (at the chapel that I attend) that addresses the problem of h0Ɩ0cαųstianity. Can you recall any sermon by the priest where you now attend mass in which he addresses h0Ɩ0cαųstianity? Why not answer the question? After all, Bp. Williamson isn't a member of the SSPX anymore, and his video is the subject of the OP.

    It's a rare thing for a priest to talk about the problem of h0Ɩ0cαųstianity. It's not only the SSPX who do not address this important subject. I'll bet that wherever you attend mass (if you attend mass), the priest there doesn't discuss it either.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: The discussion with Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #12 on: February 28, 2023, 09:02:02 AM »
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  • Bp. Williamson's talk is excellent. He says that h0Ɩ0cαųstianity is the worst heresy ever. I've not heard it described that way before, but it makes sense.

    There are other important subjects discussed as well. He says that the Resistance is a minority of a minority of a minority. A good way to put it. Not many in the world want to stay with the true teachings of the Church.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: The discussion with Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #13 on: March 08, 2023, 10:36:30 AM »
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  • YouTube police again......
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    Re: The discussion with Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #14 on: March 08, 2023, 05:27:58 PM »
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  • Amazingly, I listened to this interview on YouTube.  I left in the comments that I gave it maybe an hour before YT disappeared it.  I made an audio recording on an old fashioned cassette recorder.  There was also a recent sermon or conference by Fr. Hewko that vanished for the same reason.  I was too late to get it on tape.
    IMO, and that’s all it is, my opinion, such topics need to be addressed by bishops and priests from time to time, when relevant to Catholics.  They should not be a topic that is constantly harped upon.  The devil will take all the publicity he can get.  The main focus must be on Christ Jesus and Him Crucified as stated St. Paul in his epistle to the Corinthians.