The vile persecution didn't stop there, people are being fired from their previous positions, people are being prohibited to visit the place and the family where Mass took place, they're being threatened through the school, letters, phone calls, voice messages, out right expulsion, etc.

People are being calumniated by the prior --to the point of being ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs for the sole reason of being single and buddies-- people are being exorcized from the pulpit (literally, no kidding!), numerous of good families are being lambasted and not all of them have the strength to maintain their peace, please pray for all of them.

I second all that. I've seen charity at Saint Thomas More grown frozen and a lot of good families are being persecuted.

They also have been telling the less informed people from the Chapel Bishop Williamson has left on his own and not expelled by +Judas Fellay.

Quote from: Militia Jesu

Persecution started even before their very first visit:  

*Letter sent by a "parishioner" to all members of the HNS

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Dear Holy Name Members,

By now you have probably heard that a group of priests led by Father Joseph Pfeiffer will be having mass and a conference on Sunday evening at the ******* house. Many of you may have been prevailed upon to go out of curiosity or out of a claim to friendship with Father Hewko.

Please think about what you would be doing by attending. These claims to friendship are dubious. This is not a question of one of our faithful inviting Father Hewko to stay in their home and offer mass there. It is a question of multiple priests of the organized resistance to the SSPX actively recruiting our faithful to competing services a few hundred feet from our door.

Whatever other intentions individuals priests in this group might harbor, there can be no doubt but that the overriding object is to sow the seeds of discord within our parish.

Any presence at this meeting on Riverview Ave ONLY a few feet from our church must be understood as an approval with their agenda and a grievous offense against the unity of our community.

Let us utterly reject any and all attempts to divide us, and instead show our unity by staying after mass and the Christmas play for good food and good company. If you are looking to attend multiple liturgical events on Sunday, then attend our Vespers at 5:00 p.m.

Viva Christo Rey!

*** *********
A.M.D.G.

"Let us utterly reject any and all attempts to divide us, and instead show our unity by staying after mass and the Christmas play for good food and good company."

Therein lies the central problem of the fight -the NSSPX people- seek "unity" in food for their bellies, and we seek the "unity" of Faith for our souls!

May God bless Fr. Hewko and all those faithful souls amongst this dirty calamitous persecution.

Exactly Machabees!!!

The comforts of "socializing" is what seems to be keeping the unity in these poor souls and sadly, they have put the Faith somewhere else down the line.

When something goes wrong or against them, they resort to fighting back with all the venom and hostility in defending their "social network" while falsely believing that their fight is in defending the Faith.

A question they should possibly contemplate on very seriously and honestly try to answer is: What is the sole reason am I attending a Traditional Catholic Mass?

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The comforts of "socializing" is what seems to be keeping the unity in these poor souls and sadly, they have put the Faith somewhere else down the line.

In the SSPX, I don't see it as socializing, it is however, COMPLETELY about comforts. They don't want to give up  SPECIALLY the school ("daycare" for their children), the beautiful chorus, beautiful church building, easy drive ect, versus going back to homeschooling, and mass at an unattractive bunker. If the people still owned the buildings, they would have thrown out the accordistas. For the majority of neo-SSPXers, this is about loosing the comforts, and it has nothing to do with loyalties or doctrine. It is just human nature, the vast majority of people, 90%++ in the world would do the same thing, it is our fallen nature.

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When something goes wrong or against them, they resort to fighting back with all the venom and hostility in defending their "social network" while falsely believing that their fight is in defending the Faith.

This is only because the Neo-SSPX controls their comforts. The people are acting this way because they are following the priests (the owners). If the people owned the buildings, it would be different.

Let me add that ALL the priests who are against the accord but are keeping it to themselves, would not follow the accordista hierarchy if it were not that Menzingen owns the properties, are the owners. Therefore, we can't really know what priest is really an accordista, and what priests are just trying to hold on to their jobs, except for Bp. Fellay.

This is only because the Neo-SSPX controls their comforts. The people are acting this way because they are following the priests (the owners). If the people owned the buildings, it would be different.

Would it really? We have the SSPX here, and they'd rather have them here and believe a bunch of rumors, than have the resistance priests here actually wanting to do the job of the Church-- which is saving souls, and the FAITH!

Years ago you use to hear District Superiors and even Superior Generals of the SSPX advising the faithful to stay away from the Indult Mass because those priests compromised the faith by also "Celebrating" the Novus Ordo Service, or at least by not speaking up against it.

Same here.  We also heard sermons about modernism and liberalism.  We used to take members in our family to Mass at SSPX chapels when in town and they were shocked by those sermons.

Fr. Pfeiffer has a very good sermon titled "Demonic Evolution" which was already posted here, at CI.  He talks about how Catholics - families and priests, accept the Theory of Evolution and how it has made us so self centered.  His sermon helps make sense of the lack of response to Bishop Williamson's expulsion, and the other things that go on in SSPX chapels and why no one seems to mind.

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Years ago you use to hear District Superiors and even Superior Generals of the SSPX advising the faithful to stay away from the Indult Mass because those priests compromised the faith by also "Celebrating" the Novus Ordo Service, or at least by not speaking up against it.

Same here.  We also heard sermons about modernism and liberalism.  We used to take members in our family to Mass at SSPX chapels when in town and they were shocked by those sermons.

Fr. Pfeiffer has a very good sermon titled "Demonic Evolution" which was already posted here, at CI.  He talks about how Catholics - families and priests, accept the Theory of Evolution and how it has made us so self centered.  His sermon helps make sense of the lack of response to Bishop Williamson's expulsion, and the other things that go on in SSPX chapels and why no one seems to mind.

There is a new "interview" of John Vennari - thread called the latest from ISOC
(In the Spirit of Chartres ~ should be "ISC" or even "SC" because it's not
"ITSOC") where he says that the best definition of Liberalism is any manner of
thinking that has any part of God's creation not subject to the dominion of Our
Lord Jesus Christ.  

That fly-by principle bears repeating, because it's the stuff of foundational
thinking:  

The best definition of Liberalism is any manner
of thinking that removes some part of God's
creation from the "domain" of God's power.

I prefer to say the dominion of Our Lord Jesus Christ rather than God's domain,
because domain is a region of absolute value, a thing in itself, per se, whereas
we are talking about a subjective reality here, which is better described by the
word "dominion" IMHO.  And when we say "God," that means a lot of different
things to a lot of different people, and when we say "the Lord" it does likewise,
and when we say "the Lord Jesus" it evokes other things to Protestants who
perhaps would not recognize Jesus if he were to walk with them on the road
to Emmaus, for example.  I say "the dominion of Our Lord Jesus Christ"
because that goes past all those problems. But John Vennari isn't going to
listen to me.

Or, is he?

Anyway............

When we remove our own subjective reality for example, from the dominion
of Our Lord Jesus Christ, we become capable of accepting the false hypothesis
of evolution, even so much as to capitulate by calling the "theory" of evolution.

And that is indeed a capitulation.  The evolutionists won't have a party over it,
they won't congratulate you, they will simply stop attacking you, and you become
"one of the boys."  But to become one of the "good ol' boys," you have to
actively PROMOTE the false hypothesis of evolution by doing more that just
calling it by it's Big Lie Name, oft repeated, the "theory of evolution."


Liberalism is the root problem with accepting the false hypothesis of
biological evolution - false hypothesis because it isn't really a theory.  They
would lead you to believe that itis a theory but it has no supporting evidence, and
it has had now about 145 years to come up with a few shreds of physical evidence
but there are utterly none.  

Therefore, it is not a theory at all, but an hypothesis, a proposition that is left to
be tested (how many more years are needed than 145?) and as such, having
been tested for so long in a world of higher and higher technology, with the
"modern, enlightened, evolved wisdom of man" hard at the task and no results,
it has thereby become a DISPROVEN or FALSE hypothesis.  But it is a kind of
false god for the materialists, the social communists, the slaves of satan in the
world.  

And in our modern world where nobody knows the difference from one person
to another who is under the control of the devil and who is on the side of God,
many are deceived into thinking that it's okay to be a Freemason, that it's okay
to believe in evolution, that it's okay to trust your local ordinary for the truth of
the Faith or even the Menzingen-denizens because they have the "grace of state."

BTW everyone has the grace of state, so that's not an excuse.

Therefore, anyone who accepts evolution as okay to believe does so for some
other reason.  That is not the core issue.  It's the tip of the iceberg, at best.  

Some other clues are "Separation of Church and State," religious liberty, false
ecuмenism, excessive collegiality, indifferentism, how important it is to "be nice."

 

As of today, Fr. Hewko's Jan 11th video has 264 views, and
his Jan 13th video has 9


This is a miracle.  I just had my computer freeze up and I had not saved this
post in a Notepad file first, so I had to do an emergency shut-down which has
always in the past caused me to lose all my data in a text window like this,
but this time, when I restarted, I had this page back intact.  Amazing!  

In both of these sermons, Fr. Hewko mentions the Declaration of ABL in 1974.

Does anyone know where the most reliable copy of that is to be found?  




In the Jan. 13th video, he says look at the 2006 GC Declaration AND ESPECIALLY
the 1974 Declaration, that they are far better than the 2012 Declaration because
the latter is still in place, and it and its 6 flimsy conditions are the "FOR SALE
signs out on the front lawn of the SSPX."

In both of these sermons, Fr. Hewko mentions the Declaration of ABL in 1974.

Does anyone know where the most reliable copy of that is to be found?  

In the Jan. 13th video, he says look at the 2006 GC Declaration AND ESPECIALLY
the 1974 Declaration, that they are far better than the 2012 Declaration because
the latter is still in place, and it and its 6 flimsy conditions are the "FOR SALE
signs out on the front lawn of the SSPX."

Here it is:

Declaration of 21 November 1974

We hold firmly with all our heart and with all our mind to Catholic Rome, Guardian of the Catholic Faith and of the traditions necessary to the maintenance of this faith, to the eternal Rome, mistress of wisdom and truth.

We refuse on the other hand, and have always refused, to follow the Rome of Neo-Modernist and Neo-Protestant tendencies which became clearly manifest during the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965) and after the Council, in all the reforms which issued from it. In effect, all these reforms have contributed and continue to contribute to the destruction of the Church, to the ruin of the priesthood, to the abolition of the Sacrifice of the Mass and the Sacraments, to the disappearance of the religious life, and to a naturalistic and Teilhardian education in the universities, the seminaries, in catechetics: an education deriving from Liberalism and Protestantism which had been condemned many times by the solemn Magisterium of the Church.

No authority, not even the highest in the hierarchy, can compel us to abandon or to diminish our Catholic Faith, so clearly expressed and professed by the Church's Magisterium for nineteen centuries. "Friends," said St. Paul, "though it were we ourselves, though it were an angel from heaven that should preach to you a gospel other than the gospel we have preached to you - a curse upon him" (Gal. 1:8)

Is it not this that the Holy Father is repeating to us today? And if there is a certain contradiction manifest in his words and deeds as well as in the acts of the dicasteries, then we cleave to what has always been taught and we turn a deaf ear to the novelties which destroy the Church.

It is impossible to profoundly modify the Lex Orandi without modifying the Lex Credendi. To the New Mass there corresponds the new catechism, the new priesthood, the new seminaries, the new universities, the "Charismatic" Church, Pentecostalism: all of them opposed to orthodoxy and the never changing Magisterium. This reformation, deriving as it does from Liberalism and Modernism, is entirely corrupted; it derives from heresy and it results in heresy, even if all its acts are not formally heretical.

It is therefore impossible for any conscientious and faithful Catholic to espouse this reformation and to submit to it in any way whatsoever. The only attitude of fidelity to the Church and to Catholic doctrine appropriate for our salvation is a refusal to accept this reformation.

That is why, without any rebellion, bitterness, or resentment, we pursue our work of priestly formation under the guidance of the never-changing Magisterium, convinced as we are that we cannot possibly render a greater service to the Holy Catholic Church, to the Sovereign Pontiff, and to posterity. That is why we hold firmly to everything that has been consistently taught and practiced by the Church (and codified in books published before the Modernist influence of the Council) concerning faith, morals, divine worship, catechetics, priestly formation, and the institution of the Church, until such time as the true light of tradition dissipates the gloom which obscures the sky of eternal Rome.

Doing this, with the grace of God, the help of the Virgin Mary, St. Joseph and St. Pius X, we are certain that we are being faithful to the Catholic and Roman Church, to all of Peter's successors, and of being the Fidelis Dispensatores Mysteriorum Domini Nostri Jesu Christi In Spiritu Sancto.

† Marcel Lefebvre