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Fr Hewko sermon on categories of people obliged to fast
« on: February 20, 2021, 04:56:50 PM »
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  • I recently listened to a sermon by Fr. Hewko (I think) who went through a list of all the different categories of people who are obliged to fast or are exempt during Lent. Does anyone have a link to the sermon? I can't find it anymore. 
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    Re: Fr Hewko sermon on categories of people obliged to fast
    « Reply #1 on: February 20, 2021, 08:14:41 PM »
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  • You will probably find it on 'The Catacombs' website.

    www.thecatacombs.org  (type it in directly if the link does not work)
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    Re: Fr Hewko sermon on categories of people obliged to fast
    « Reply #2 on: February 21, 2021, 01:08:54 PM »
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  • Thanks, will check it out!
    "When human beings have been brutalised by impurity, they will allow themselves to be enslaved without making any attempt to react." ~ Fr. Fahey

    TRUE humility of King St. Louis IX:
    “A Christian should argue with a blasphemer only by running his sword through his bowels as far as it will go."

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    Re: Fr Hewko sermon on categories of people obliged to fast
    « Reply #3 on: February 21, 2021, 08:15:35 PM »
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  • You will probably find it on 'The Catacombs' website.

    www.thecatacombs.org  (type it in directly if the link does not work)
    I'm looking at the site, and have navigated it somewhat and done a search, but I think a person has to click on each sermon to obtain the one mentioned by the OP.

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    "When human beings have been brutalised by impurity, they will allow themselves to be enslaved without making any attempt to react." ~ Fr. Fahey

    TRUE humility of King St. Louis IX:
    “A Christian should argue with a blasphemer only by running his sword through his bowels as far as it will go."

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    Re: Fr Hewko sermon on categories of people obliged to fast
    « Reply #6 on: February 22, 2021, 11:12:59 PM »
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  • Thank you very much!
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    I'm glad the request was posted because I did not know about the catacombs site, and also because I enjoyed that particular sermon very much.  Found it edifying and learned a lot.  Had not heard St. Vincent Ferrer's interpretation of the Ash Wednesday readings, but they were of great benefit to me, so thank you yourself!

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    Re: Fr Hewko sermon on categories of people obliged to fast
    « Reply #7 on: July 23, 2021, 07:04:23 AM »
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  • Although I am not obligated anymore to fast/abstain (I'm 65), is it ok if I do? I just cannot find it within me not to, especially as a homebound senior who can rarely get to a live Mass.  I watch Masses online, pray, especially the Rosary, and make sacrifices.  I have had so much taken fron me bc of my disability, please don't take fasting/abstaining from me too.😔
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    Re: Fr Hewko sermon on categories of people obliged to fast
    « Reply #8 on: July 23, 2021, 07:43:42 AM »
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  • Although I am not obligated anymore to fast/abstain (I'm 65), is it ok if I do? I just cannot find it within me not to, especially as a homebound senior who can rarely get to a live Mass.  I watch Masses online, pray, especially the Rosary, and make sacrifices.  I have had so much taken fron me bc of my disability, please don't take fasting/abstaining from me too.😔
    I have never heard of any rule saying people CANT fast.
    Also I believe abstinence is binding for your lifetime unless specific medical exemption exists.  I think it's only fasting that you're exempt over 60

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    Re: Fr Hewko sermon on categories of people obliged to fast
    « Reply #9 on: July 23, 2021, 10:12:32 AM »
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  • I have never heard of any rule saying people CANT fast.
    Also I believe abstinence is binding for your lifetime unless specific medical exemption exists.  I think it's only fasting that you're exempt over 60
    Correct, regarding abstinence.  The precept is universal and without upper age limit.
    Regarding fasting: Those who "need not" fast are not prohibited from voluntarily fasting.
    Extremes of fasting and extraordinary self-chosen mortifications need to be approved by one's spiritual director/priest/confessor. This has even been true for those in religious life. But obviously such marginal practices are not what is being discussed here, so JOANORCM is fine.

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    Re: Fr Hewko sermon on categories of people obliged to fast
    « Reply #10 on: July 23, 2021, 10:56:18 AM »
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  • I have never heard of any rule saying people CANT fast.
    Also I believe abstinence is binding for your lifetime unless specific medical exemption exists.  I think it's only fasting that you're exempt over 60

    Right.  It's important, however, not to be scrupulous about not fasting when Church law indicates you don't have to.  Now, one of the biggest mortifications of fasting is the mortification of the will, through obedience.  I won't eat meat today because the Church forbids it.  I know a lot of people who agree that they can go a day or two without meat and not even notice it ... just because, say, they had fish for dinner, etc.  But it only becomes "hard" when you are not allowed do it.  It's because the will is what needs to be mortified the most.

    So, if there were a law that actually stated that you CAN'T fast (and there isn't one of course), then it would be a mortification not to fast when you might actually want to.

    There's a story about St. Francis of Assisi where he had gone a number of years without eating meat.  At one point, he and some of his religious brothers were guests for a meal at someone's home, and St. Francis ate the meat that was served without giving it a second thought.  So one of his brothers asked him about how hard it must have been to eat the meal and thus basically lose his fasting streak.  He responded, not at all, since charity toward his host was more important than his fasting.  So here was a man who was not attached even to the fasting.  In some stages of the spiritual life, people can get attached to spiritual goods, such as fasting, and even that attachment is not compatible with total sanctity.


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    Re: Fr Hewko sermon on categories of people obliged to fast
    « Reply #11 on: July 23, 2021, 11:02:01 AM »
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  • Right.  It's important, however, not to be scrupulous about not fasting when Church law indicates you don't have to.  Now, one of the biggest mortifications of fasting is the mortification of the will, through obedience.  I won't eat meat today because the Church forbids it.  I know a lot of people who agree that they can go a day or two without meat and not even notice it ... just because, say, they had fish for dinner, etc.  But it only becomes "hard" when you are not allowed do it.  It's because the will is what needs to be mortified the most.

    So, if there were a law that actually stated that you CAN'T fast (and there isn't one of course), then it would be a mortification not to fast when you might actually want to.

    There's a story about St. Francis of Assisi where he had gone a number of years without eating meat.  At one point, he and some of his religious brothers were guests for a meal at someone's home, and St. Francis ate the meat that was served without giving it a second thought.  So one of his brothers asked him about how hard it must have been to eat the meal and thus basically lose his fasting streak.  He responded, not at all, since charity toward his host was more important than his fasting.  So here was a man who was not attached even to the fasting.  In some stages of the spiritual life, people can get attached to spiritual goods, such as fasting, and even that attachment is not compatible with total sanctity.
    Right. I think what's going on here is that the church graciously allows those above 60 not to fast because age often creates a difficulty with fasting that isn't present for younger people. Some older people might even have health problems that prohibit fasting.
    I don't think the intent was that 64-year-old women would feel that they are not allowed to fast if they want to. Now if the church did indeed forbid it I would agree with you

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    Re: Fr Hewko sermon on categories of people obliged to fast
    « Reply #12 on: July 23, 2021, 11:16:41 AM »
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  • Right. I think what's going on here is that the church graciously allows those above 60 not to fast because age often creates a difficulty with fasting that isn't present for younger people. Some older people might even have health problems that prohibit fasting.
    I don't think the intent was that 64-year-old women would feel that they are not allowed to fast if they want to. Now if the church did indeed forbid it I would agree with you

    What's interesting, however, is that even if you're within the fasting age range, you may be excused from the obligation due to health problems ... and other considerations ... ANYWAY.  So is this just an assumption that those over 60 have health problems that prohibit them from fasting?  I believe the reason that the Church doesn't impose fasting on those under 21 is because they are still growing and fasting might impact their growth and development.  Of course, a lot of that may have been with the assumption that there was fasting on all the weekdays of Lent.  With the Novus Ordo rules, there are, what?, two fast days the entire year.  No real reason to not make those obligatory for everyone who isn't impeded by health.

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    Re: Fr Hewko sermon on categories of people obliged to fast
    « Reply #13 on: July 23, 2021, 11:21:19 AM »
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  • What's interesting, however, is that even if you're within the fasting age range, you may be excused from the obligation due to health problems ... and other considerations ... ANYWAY.  So is this just an assumption that those over 60 have health problems that prohibit them from fasting?  I believe the reason that the Church doesn't impose fasting on those under 21 is because they are still growing and fasting might impact their growth and development.  Of course, a lot of that may have been with the assumption that there was fasting on all the weekdays of Lent.  With the Novus Ordo rules, there are, what?, two fast days the entire year.  No real reason to not make those obligatory for everyone who isn't impeded by health.
    Well obviously the novus ordo rules make no sense but with the pre Vatican ii rules I could see simplifying matters and taking categories of people who are LIKELY to have health issues and being like ,"look, it's up to you but you don't have to.". I don't know if the pre V2 church wouldve imagined people doingnzero fasting in that case either 

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    Re: Fr Hewko sermon on categories of people obliged to fast
    « Reply #14 on: July 30, 2021, 11:12:57 AM »
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  • I have never heard of any rule saying people CANT fast.
    Also I believe abstinence is binding for your lifetime unless specific medical exemption exists.  I think it's only fasting that you're exempt over 60
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