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Title: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: StonewallCatho on August 04, 2025, 06:39:47 PM
POSTED WITH FR. GIROUARD'S PERMISSION.

Sermon of August 3rd, 2025.




SERMON SUMMARY FROM FR. GIROUARD:


INTRODUCTION:

With God's grace, we shall study some verses of today's epistle of St. Paul to the Romans, Chapter 8. The great Apostle reminds us that we are not debtors to the flesh, but rather debtors to Christ and the Holy Ghost. He shows us what we need to do if we want to obtain the inheritance promised us. It is a question of eternal Life or Death! So we can ask ourselves: Am I truly in the State of Grace? Are my sins truly forgiven? Am I doing the right thing? (Remember: To feel no guilt doesn't mean we are not guilty). Fortunately, we can obtain a degree of certainty about it.


1- ST. BERNARD GIVES US THREE SIGNS OF BEING IN THE STATE OF GRACE.

A) We recall the story of the paralytic forgiven and healed by Our Lord. "Stand up! Pick up your stretcher, and walk!"

B) St. Bernard, on the spiritual meaning of this story, shows us three signs of the remission of our sins:

     a-To  aspire to supernatural things, and have a supernatural outlook on everything.

     b-To rule over all the inclinations of nature by mortification.

     c- To leave the past behind, and move towards our true Home: Heaven! We must always make progress. We are not on a cruise ship, but on a Battleship!


2- OUR NATURE CANNOT BE MORTIFIED WITHOUT THE GREATEST PAINS!

A) Verses 12 and 13 of today's epistle.

B) Mortification is so difficult, because the ennemy is within: The "Flesh" is our "Old Man"! We must battle against our bad inclinations of body and soul.

C) We must mortify ourselves for supernatural motives.

D) Great quote from Cornelius A Lapide: The immense pain we have to endure if we truly endeavour to rule our Nature.


3- FORTUNATELY, THE HOLY GHOST MAKES UP FOR WHAT WE LACK IN STRENGTH.

A) Verse 14 of today's Epistle.

B) Quote from St. Augustine: This help from the Holy Ghost is a sign that we are in the State of Grace!

C) Example of Samson in the Book of Judges: "The Spirit of God rushed into him."


4- BUT THESE THREE SIGNS GIVE US NO ABSOLUTE CERTITUDE OF THE REMISSION OF OUR SINS.

A) Only a Moral Certitude.

B) Quote from St Gregory to his spiritual dirigée Gregoria: We need tears of contrition.

C) Acts of Mortification can be like such tears, if done for supernatural motives.

D) Fear for our salvation is much better than security.


CONCLUSION:

If we want to have a moral  certainty that our sins are forgiven, and therefore that we are in the State of Grace, we must follow the advices we have received from Saints Bernard, Augustine, Gregory, and the great Cornelius A Lapide: 1-Be Supernatural in all things; 2-Pray the Holy Ghost to help you truly put to death your "Old Man"; 3-Combat with vigor against error and sins, and aim to make progress in sanctification. Our greatest ally to obtain the help of the Holy Ghost, is Our Lady, who is the Spouse of the Holy Ghost. She is the Seat of Wisdom (Holy Ghost). Let us pray her under this beautiful title, and she will come to our aid!


VIDEO LINK:   https://iframe.mediadelivery.net/play/79118/f3489aef-0c1f-4553-839d-d0a2b8a0f4fe (https://iframe.mediadelivery.net/play/79118/f3489aef-0c1f-4553-839d-d0a2b8a0f4fe)



Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Colt on August 04, 2025, 08:56:59 PM
Quote from: StonewallCatho (https://www.cathinfo.com/index.php?topic=77559.msg994864#msg994864) 2025-08-04, 4:39:47 PM
POSTED WITH FR. GIROUARD'S PERMISSION.

Sermon of August 3rd, 2025.




SERMON SUMMARY FROM FR. GIROUARD:



INTRODUCTION:


With God's grace, we shall study some verses of today's epistle of St. Paul to the Romans, Chapter 8. The great Apostle reminds us that we are not debtors to the flesh, but rather debtors to Christ and the Holy Ghost. He shows us what we need to do if we want to obtain the inheritance promised us. It is a question of eternal Life or Death! So we can ask ourselves: Am I truly in the State of Grace? Are my sins truly forgiven? Am I doing the right thing? (Remember: To feel no guilt doesn't mean we are not guilty). Fortunately, we can obtain a degree of certainty about it.



1- ST. BERNARD GIVES US THREE SIGNS OF BEING IN THE STATE OF GRACE.


A) We recall the story of the paralytic forgiven and healed by Our Lord. "Stand up! Pick up your stretcher, and walk!"


B) St. Bernard, on the spiritual meaning of this story, shows us three signs of the remission of our sins:


    a-To  aspire to supernatural things, and have a supernatural outlook on everything.


    b-To rule over all the inclinations of nature by mortification.


    c- To leave the past behind, and move towards our true Home: Heaven! We must always make progress. We are not on a cruise ship, but on a Battleship!



2- OUR NATURE CANNOT BE MORTIFIED WITHOUT THE GREATEST PAINS!


A) Verses 12 and 13 of today's epistle.


B) Mortification is so difficult, because the ennemy is within: The "Flesh" is our "Old Man"! We must battle against our bad inclinations of body and soul.


C) We must mortify ourselves for supernatural motives.


D) Great quote from Cornelius A Lapide: The immense pain we have to endure if we truly endeavour to rule our Nature.



3- FORTUNATELY, THE HOLY GHOST MAKES UP FOR WHAT WE LACK IN STRENGTH.


A) Verse 14 of today's Epistle.


B) Quote from St. Augustine: This help from the Holy Ghost is a sign that we are in the State of Grace!


C) Example of Samson in the Book of Judges: "The Spirit of God rushed into him."



4- BUT THESE THREE SIGNS GIVE US NO ABSOLUTE CERTITUDE OF THE REMISSION OF OUR SINS.


A) Only a Moral Certitude.


B) Quote from St Gregory to his spiritual dirigée Gregoria: We need tears of contrition.


C) Acts of Mortification can be like such tears, if done for supernatural motives.


D) Fear for our salvation is much better than security.



CONCLUSION:


If we want to have a moral  certainty that our sins are forgiven, and therefore that we are in the State of Grace, we must follow the advices we have received from Saints Bernard, Augustine, Gregory, and the great Cornelius A Lapide: 1-Be Supernatural in all things; 2-Pray the Holy Ghost to help you truly put to death your "Old Man"; 3-Combat with vigor against error and sins, and aim to make progress in sanctification. Our greatest ally to obtain the help of the Holy Ghost, is Our Lady, who is the Spouse of the Holy Ghost. She is the Seat of Wisdom (Holy Ghost). Let us pray her under this beautiful title, and she will come to our aid!



VIDEO LINK:  https://iframe.mediadelivery.net/play/79118/f3489aef-0c1f-4553-839d-d0a2b8a0f4fe (https://iframe.mediadelivery.net/play/79118/f3489aef-0c1f-4553-839d-d0a2b8a0f4fe)
Father, your sermon was moving. It was structured with grace, filled with the wisdom of the saints, and clearly aimed at sanctifying souls. But with all reverence and sorrow, I beg you. This is not enough.

These are not ordinary times. The Church is eclipsed. Vatican II, the New Mass, and the new religion are deceiving millions and taking souls to hell. The wolves are no longer at the gate. They wear the mitre. And when sermons speak only of interior struggle without naming the war around us, the faithful are left unarmed.

This homily could have been delivered in a Fraternity parish or even a well-meaning Novus Ordo chapel. But Father, we remember your voice when it thundered with clarity. You once warned us of the apostasy. You once named the enemy. You once stood where few dared to stand.

Today, that silence is more dangerous than ever. The faithful are not looking for soft encouragement. They are looking for the trumpet to give a clear sound. Not just to pray, but to fight. Not just to be holy, but to reject error. Not just to mortify the flesh, but to resist the conciliar betrayal.

If you do not speak, who will? If even the priests who once stood firm now preach like the reconciled, where shall the sheep go?

We do not need safe sermons. We need fearless ones. You once knew that. I pray you will remember it again.


Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Miseremini on August 04, 2025, 09:34:24 PM
Father, your sermon was moving. It was structured with grace, filled with the wisdom of the saints, and clearly aimed at sanctifying souls.
Your post should have stopped there.
You're obviously not on Father's mailing list or you'd realize how disrespectful and INCORRECT the rest of your post was.  Father has never been hesitant to bluntly inform, warn, and steer his flock through the present mire we find ourselves in today.
You owe him an apology.
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Colt on August 04, 2025, 09:41:13 PM
Quote from: Miseremini (https://www.cathinfo.com/index.php?topic=77559.msg994873#msg994873) 2025-08-04, 7:34:24 PM
Your post should have stopped there.
You're obviously not on Father's mailing list or you'd realize how disrespectful and INCORRECT the rest of your post was.  Father has never been hesitant to bluntly inform, warn, and steer his flock through the present mire we find ourselves in today.
You owe him an apology.
Thank you. If Father is still speaking boldly in private, I am truly glad. But this sermon, while spiritually rich, gave no warning about the crisis that is tearing the Church apart.

When wolves are attacking in public, silence in public no matter how beautiful leaves souls exposed. The faithful are confused. Bishops are leading souls astray. The sacraments themselves are in question. In times like this, comfort is not enough. We need clarity.

I meant no disrespect. Only sorrow. Many of us remember when Father’s voice was clear and unshakable. This sermon felt like a retreat when what we need is a call to arms.

If that voice still lives in him, I pray he brings it back to the pulpit. The flock needs it more than ever.


Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: StonewallCatho on August 04, 2025, 10:08:27 PM
Your post should have stopped there.
You're obviously not on Father's mailing list or you'd realize how disrespectful and INCORRECT the rest of your post was.  Father has never been hesitant to bluntly inform, warn, and steer his flock through the present mire we find ourselves in today.
You owe him an apology.
I will tell Father to have a look at the replies. I don't think he will be troubled by Colt's reply. As you said rightly, Colt's reply shows he is not on Father's email list.

Every sermon of the Fathers and Doctors of the Church was not preached against the heresies of their days. There are other subjects that are necessary to preach on as well, and they are necessary for the salvation of souls. 

It is easy and more interesting to read/hear about the Crisis of the Church and of the Neo-SSPX, and about the End Times and other hot topics. It is more difficult for some people like Colt to focus on the war against their Old Man.
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Miseremini on August 04, 2025, 11:50:23 PM
this sermon, while spiritually rich, gave no warning about the crisis that is tearing the Church apart.
The people to whom Father addressed this sermon are well aware in detail of the crisis that is tearing the Church apart and are informed of every new infraction that comes along by Father.
Their souls need the ammunition to fight, which Father also gives them.
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Gray2023 on August 06, 2025, 10:25:13 AM
Yes a wonderful sermon.  It kind of reminds me of the instructions of flight attendants.  Put your oxygen mask on first before you help others who need your assistance. :pray::pray::pray:
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Matthew on August 06, 2025, 01:24:27 PM
I would say the exact opposite. Priests like Fr. Pfeiffer are also problematic: they OBSESSES with "the fight" to the point they are constantly fighting, EVEN WITH THEIR FELLOW-PRIESTS WHOM THEY SHOULD BE ALLIES WITH.
And they have been adversarial and "fighting" for so long, they forgot what they are even fighting for. They can't even remember the "basics" of how to live a Catholic life -- basic Ascetical & Mystical theology. Bitter zeal has become a way of life.

We all admire the "fighters" who name names, speak truth to power, fight against whoever they have to, in pursuit of truth and righteousness. The modern-day heroes and martyrs.
But once in a while you have to put down your sword and pick up your rosary, and in general foster a deep and real PRAYER LIFE.

As someone above pointed out, these topics of basic Catholic life are EVERY BIT AS IMPORTANT as naming the Jew, criticizing the Pope/SSPX/etc. or any other "fighting" or controversial topic.

You can't leave out these basic topics, just because there is a Crisis.

Personally, I think priests like Fr. Pfeiffer are a sad collateral damage from the Crisis in the Church. Imagine forgetting how to just stop and be Catholic. Just stop and serve God, meditate on the life of Our Lord, the Blessed Virgin, enjoy a good Catholic hymn, enjoy the beauty of God's creation, offer praise to God -- you know, stop and "live". Especially doing things constructive (helping new converts, mentoring young Catholics, volunteering at a Trad chapel, etc.) We shouldn't lose sight of these positive things because we've been fighting a bitter fight for so long.

It reminds me of a soldier who has been at war for 10 years and can barely remember what he was fighting for. He can no longer enjoy most of what he is "defending" in the war -- he has lost all taste for actual day-to-day life in the country he left to fight.

Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Pax Vobis on August 06, 2025, 03:13:32 PM
Thank you. If Father is still speaking boldly in private, I am truly glad. But this sermon, while spiritually rich, gave no warning about the crisis that is tearing the Church apart.

When wolves are attacking in public, silence in public no matter how beautiful leaves souls exposed. The faithful are confused. Bishops are leading souls astray. The sacraments themselves are in question. In times like this, comfort is not enough. We need clarity.

I meant no disrespect. Only sorrow. Many of us remember when Father’s voice was clear and unshakable. This sermon felt like a retreat when what we need is a call to arms.

If that voice still lives in him, I pray he brings it back to the pulpit. The flock needs it more than ever.
:facepalm:  Look at the gospels as an example to how the Church gives VARIETY in teaching, from Sunday to Sunday.  Not every gospel is about hell.  Not every gospel is about Christ performing miracles. 

Priests have been preaching about the crisis in the Church for 60 years.  There are a variety of other topics which are important.
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Matthew on August 06, 2025, 03:22:02 PM
In fact, I would also point out that constant reminders about the Crisis are kind of stupid, if your whole congregation is well aware.

"Novus Ordo Watch" and such websites come to mind. Some people (recent converts to Tradition?) need that "pull" to help them make a clean break from their (recent) Novus Ordo life. But most Trads do NOT need this.
That's why I never visit Novus Ordo Watch, or any site like it. It's not aimed at me, or people like me. I have moved on DECADES ago, and am interested in living a good Traditional Catholic life, 24/7, in this messed-up modern world.
I don't need the play-by-play of the latest madness in the Conciliar Church. It serves no purpose for me.

Most Trads are well aware there's a Crisis in the Church, and have no temptation to go follow the modern Popes and Conciliar madness. Occasional reminders are sufficient.

I would even say that 100% constant harping on the Crisis is a bit dangerous. Every Trad is "good" in this category. But what about all the various virtues? What about opposing the World in other ways besides the Novus Ordo? What about advancing our prayer life, committing 0 sins/week, or serving God with all our heart and soul? We're a lot less "good to go" in those areas, right? So which sermons are more COMFORTABLE for the average Trad? Sermons destroying Pope Francis or Pope Leo -- or sermons that force us to admit that we still need work?

A priest who never challenges his parishioners to improve themselves spiritually is dangerous and self-serving, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Pax Vobis on August 06, 2025, 03:26:18 PM
In fact, I would also point out that constant reminders about the Crisis are kind of stupid, if your whole congregation is well aware.

"Novus Ordo Watch" and such websites come to mind. Some people (recent converts to Tradition?) need that "pull" to help them make a clean break from their (recent) Novus Ordo life. But most Trads do NOT need this.
That's why I never visit Novus Ordo Watch, or any site like it. It's not aimed at me, or people like me. I have moved on DECADES ago, and am interested in living a good Traditional Catholic life, 24/7, in this messed-up modern world.
I don't need the play-by-play of the latest madness in the Conciliar Church. It serves no purpose for me.

Most Trads are well aware there's a Crisis in the Church, and have no temptation to go follow the modern Popes and Conciliar madness. Occasional reminders are sufficient.

I would even say that 100% constant harping on the Crisis is a bit dangerous. Every Trad is "good" in this category. But what about all the various virtues? What about opposing the World in other ways besides the Novus Ordo? What about advancing our prayer life, committing 0 sins/week, or serving God with all our heart and soul? We're a lot less "good to go" in those areas, right? So which sermons are more COMFORTABLE for the average Trad? Sermons destroying Pope Francis or Pope Leo -- or sermons that force us to admit that we still need work?

A priest who never challenges his parishioners to improve themselves spiritually is dangerous and self-serving, in my opinion.
Right.  You could be the most die-hard-Trad and still lose your soul.  The moral law is still hard.  The obligations of praying and charity still exist.  Being a die-hard-Trad (i.e. not a heretic) is step 1.
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Pax Vobis on August 06, 2025, 10:23:28 PM
It is also worth noting, with sadness, that more than half of the faithful who once stood with Father Girouard now attend fully conciliar SSPX chapels. That is not because they stopped praying. It is because they stopped hearing the truth.
There are over 100 hours a week where an avg person is awake.  A sermon usually lasts 1 hr or less.  So at most, a sermon accounts for 1% of one's weekly time.  Daily prayer should account for a LOT more than this.  

Anyone who is part of the new-sspx and who doesn’t see their liberalization isn’t praying well enough.  God speaks to the soul much better and more clearly, through prayer, than any sermon.  Your criticism of Fr is wrong. 
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Mat183 on August 06, 2025, 11:08:58 PM


Now that Father Rusak is heading to the Northwest Territories, who will replace him in Langley? A Novus Ordo priest with no conditional ordination?



Good Fr. Rusak!  I remember him as the only SSPX priest that I know of who hosted Robert Sungenis at his chapel in Winnipeg to give a talk to his flock about the truth about geocentrism as well as setting up a debate between Dr. Sungenis and another individual on that subject at the University of Manitoba.  The university audience was generally hostile to Sungenis, but by the end of the debate he had actually won most of them over to his side as evidenced by their vote on who won the debate.

Fr. Rusak had also daringly posted a strongly critical commentary under his own name on The Angelus book site's comment section regarding a fellow SSPX priest's notorious book.  The book was Fr. Robinson's The Realist Guide to Religion and Science.  In spite of the politeness, not to mention the objective correctness of the commentary, it was removed from the site within a matter of days while I think all the "cheerleading" commentaries were left up.
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Cera on August 07, 2025, 12:18:14 PM
I loved this part:
We are not on a cruise ship, but on a Battleship!
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Colt on August 07, 2025, 01:56:52 PM
I loved this part:
We are not on a cruise ship, but on a Battleship!
Absolutely. A cruise ship seeks comfort. A battleship seeks victory. But the greatest scandal is when those who once fired at the enemy now scold the soldiers for still fighting.



Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Colt on August 07, 2025, 01:58:27 PM
Viva Cristo Rey!
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Miseremini on August 07, 2025, 02:11:44 PM
It is also worth noting, with sadness, that more than half of the faithful who once stood with Father Girouard now attend fully conciliar SSPX chapels. That is not because they stopped praying. It is because they stopped hearing the truth.
That's on them, not Father.
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Miseremini on August 07, 2025, 02:20:14 PM
If Father is warning souls privately,

Souls do not just need private support. 
You make it sound as if Father is preaching in secret.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  He preaches openly to any trad who shows up at his Mass or wishes to follow his guidance through his emails.  You really don't know what you're talking about when it comes to Father.
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Colt on August 07, 2025, 03:29:50 PM
Quote from: Miseremini (https://www.cathinfo.com/index.php?topic=77559.msg995148#msg995148) 2025-08-07, 12:11:44 PM
That's on them, not Father.
For clarity’s sake, this is not accurate.

Father Girouard has directly told multiple people, including more than ten witnesses at the Langley parish, that it is fine to return to the Neo SSPX chapel. He has even encouraged some to go back, these people have attended my wedding.

In another instance, in front of several individuals, he specifically said, I never said you could not go to the Neo SSPX.

These facts are confirmed by those who heard him. That does not mean people stopped praying. It means they stopped hearing the fight.


Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Gray2023 on August 07, 2025, 09:24:40 PM
Absolutely. A cruise ship seeks comfort. A battleship seeks victory. But the greatest scandal is when those who once fired at the enemy now scold the soldiers for still fighting.
Maybe we should invest in submarines? 
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Matthew on August 07, 2025, 10:26:15 PM
For clarity’s sake, this is not accurate.

Father Girouard has directly told multiple people, including more than ten witnesses at the Langley parish, that it is fine to return to the Neo SSPX chapel. He has even encouraged some to go back, these people have attended my wedding.

In another instance, in front of several individuals, he specifically said, I never said you could not go to the Neo SSPX.

These facts are confirmed by those who heard him. That does not mean people stopped praying. It means they stopped hearing the fight.


You are a Hewkonian. I have to take everything you say with a huge grain of salt.

Fr. Hewko put up with some serious nonsense for MANY years before he finally left. He's still full of much of the Pfeiffer poison, including the whole "fake resistance" bit.
One way they are still two peas in a pod is their "Red Light" position on the neo-SSPX. They advocate home-aloneism for even paltry reasons. They like to LARP (live action role play) as missionaries, early Church catacombs, End Times saints, Japanese martyrs, or some combination of these. They both love to see their "followers" only resort to them for the sacraments -- they relish their followers being completely dependent on them. Much less criticism that way. That is not Catholic, that is a cult.

And yes, they claim to be the only true followers of Archbishop Lefebvre. But anyone who's cracked a book knows that +Lefebvre had a much more nuanced position on the New Mass and the Conciliar Church than the simplistic rhetoric and doctrines of Fr. Pfeiffer/Hewko.

Fr. Hewko says CathInfo is a sewer of filth. He's obviously 100% wrong about that. Maybe he's wrong about other things too.

Why are you even here?
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Colt on August 07, 2025, 11:31:38 PM
Quote from: Matthew (https://www.cathinfo.com/index.php?topic=77559.msg995230#msg995230) 2025-08-07, 8:26:15 PM
You are a Hewkonian. I have to take everything you say with a huge grain of salt.

Fr. Hewko put up with some serious nonsense for MANY years before he finally left. He's still full of much of the Pfeiffer poison, including the whole "fake resistance" bit.
One way they are still two peas in a pod is their "Red Light" position on the neo-SSPX. They advocate home-aloneism for even paltry reasons. They like to LARP (live action role play) as missionaries, early Church catacombs, End Times saints, Japanese martyrs, or some combination of these. They both love to see their "followers" only resort to them for the sacraments -- they relish their followers being completely dependent on them. Much less criticism that way. That is not Catholic, that is a cult.

And yes, they claim to be the only true followers of Archbishop Lefebvre. But anyone who's cracked a book knows that +Lefebvre had a much more nuanced position on the New Mass and the Conciliar Church than the simplistic rhetoric and doctrines of Fr. Pfeiffer/Hewko.

Fr. Hewko says CathInfo is a sewer of filth. He's obviously 100% wrong about that. Maybe he's wrong about other things too.

Why are you even here?
Matthew,
You’re free to call me whatever you like, but that does not change what was said or who witnessed it. These events were seen and heard firsthand by multiple people, including those at my wedding.

I’m not here to defend personalities. I’m here to defend the truth. If you believe the facts are wrong, correct them. If not, they stand.


Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Ladislaus on August 07, 2025, 11:34:49 PM
If we want to have a moral  certainty that our sins are forgiven, and therefore that we are in the State of Grace, ...

So, I don't know ... 

We have moral certainty that our sins are forgiven when we receive valid absolution from a valid priest with at least supplied jurisdiction after not having dilberately withheld confessing any mortal sins and having a firm purpose of amendment, motivated at least by a fear of damnation.

St. Bernard, on the other hand, was listing some "signs", which by themselves do not lead to moral certainly, but can give us a certain amount of reassurance, except that one can subjectively interpret said signs, and motificaiton has often been done by the greatest heretics.  I can think I aspire to supernatural things, even if I'm a heretic, and therfore not in a state of grace ... and same thing can be said of leaving the past behind.

In other words, I don't believe these signs provide any kind of certitude, moral or otherwise, but are mere, well, signs, indicators ... which we could misinterpret.  Where have have moral certainty is if we're members of the Church and go to Confession, and receive absolution, with the dispositions listed above.
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Matthew on August 08, 2025, 07:41:55 AM
Matthew,
You’re free to call me whatever you like, but that does not change what was said or who witnessed it. These events were seen and heard firsthand by multiple people, including those at my wedding.

I’m not here to defend personalities. I’m here to defend the truth. If you believe the facts are wrong, correct them. If not, they stand.

Here are the facts:

1. You make it sound like I'm lowering myself to "name calling" which is generally a bad sign during any argument. That is not accurate. I only "called you" a Hewkonian which is a follower of Fr. Hewko. And I see you haven't denied it.

2. You bandy about "firsthand" because everyone knows that something witnessed "firsthand" is reliable and unmistakably true. But you even admit you didn't witness these things, so it's not firsthand. Your evidence is second-hand at best, quite probably "hearsay", and "malicious rumors" at worst.

"My brother said that John witnessed a car crash firsthand."
That's not how firsthand works.

You ignored virtually my entire post. Including my question: Why are you here on CathInfo, when Fr. Hewko is completely against it? I bet you haven't asked your confessor about this little apostolate of yours. I'm sure you justify it to yourself that you're going to use it as a missionary ground to "spread the Gospel of Fr. Hewko" and help your Team's cause. Still, you should ask your spiritual director, since he's made it VERY clear what he thinks of CathInfo.
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Pax Vobis on August 08, 2025, 09:26:53 AM
Ask Father Girouard directly what his position is on attending the Neo SSPX. Ask the parishioners at Langley what they heard with their own ears. This is not about winning arguments. It is about saving souls. If there is confusion, let the priest clarify it.
The new-sspx isn't fully indult (yet).  Nobody is going to hell because they attend the new-sspx (unless the priest is doubtful).  You're wrong for implying otherwise.
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Pax Vobis on August 08, 2025, 09:53:51 AM
The now NeoSSPX has been under Conciliar Rome since the 2012 Doctrinal Declaration. That docuмent inserted the heresies of Vatican II “in the light of Tradition” directly into the Society’s framework. To call this merely a danger is an understatement. It is a formal compromise with modernist Rome. Souls are not safe where such compromise is treated as acceptable. No one is judging interior guilt, but the objective danger is grave. This is not private opinion. It is docuмented fact, and it has eternal consequences.
This is a reach.  If the new-sspx was part of new-rome, then they'd be fully indult.  But they aren't (yet).  They have not fully accepted V2 or the new mass.
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Twice dyed on August 08, 2025, 09:59:04 AM
Good Fr. Rusak!

Fr. Rusak had also daringly posted a strongly critical commentary under his own name on The Angelus book site's comment section regarding a fellow SSPX priest's notorious book.  The book was Fr. Robinson's The Realist Guide to Religion and Science. In spite of the politeness, not to mention the objective correctness of the commentary, it was removed from the site within a matter of days while I think all the "cheerleading" commentaries were left up.
From an old CathInfo thread.
https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/sspx-priest-publicly-smashes-fr-paul-robinson's-(sspx)-book/
"...
Failure to consider all the evidence
Father Gerard Rusak, FSSPX, Nov 2018

While Father Robinson excels on philosophical points in the first six chapters of his book (1 star), he accepts the unproven hypotheses of the Big Bang (with its long ages needed for evolution) and he rashly embraces heliocentrism. Meanwhile, he brushes aside those who do not agree with him using insufficient arguments (see below). His interpretation of the Bible is more in accord with a liberal interpretation of Vatican II's Dei Verbum #11 rather than with the traditional teaching of the Church on the inerrant nature of Holy Scripture. This allows him to pick and choose among facts related in the book of Genesis and elsewhere in the Bible. He also ignores the longstanding the decrees of the Church against Galileo and the unanimous teaching of the Fathers of the Church these same questions. On these last issues, his insufficient arguments have been completely refuted by a book by Robert Sungenis: "Scientific Heresies and Their Effect on the Church" (564 pages).

I thank the Angelus Press in advance for posting this review and request them to add to their list of books the above book of Robert Sungenis so that both sides of the question may be heard. Or should they not wish to do so, to withdraw Father Robinson's book from sale from this their website.
I may add that I know other SSPX priests and faithful like myself who are shocked at the publication of this book for at least some if not all, of the above reasons.
..."
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Pax Vobis on August 08, 2025, 10:06:41 AM
This is not a reach. The Neo-SSPX submitted the 2012 Doctrinal Declaration, accepting Vatican II “in the light of Tradition” and the New Mass as “legitimately promulgated.” That is formal submission to Modernist Rome. Full indult status is irrelevant. They have already accepted the poisoned root. +Archbishop Lefebvre refused that path entirely because he refused to betray Christ the King.
If you're arguing to 'red light' every new-sspx chapel and priest, i'd say you're overreacting.  But now that we know you follow Fr Hewko, the overreaction makes sense.
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Pax Vobis on August 08, 2025, 10:40:52 AM
Just to be clear: do you personally accept Vatican II ‘in the light of Tradition’ and the New Mass as ‘legitimately promulgated’? These are the exact phrases Bishop Fellay agreed to in the 2012 Doctrinal Declaration, which now binds the Neo-SSPX.
Here's your problem...these phrases "legitimately promulgated" and "in the light of Tradition" are not theological statements, but legal ones.  So there's gray area there, depending on what the new-sspx means by these terms.

One could argue:
1.  Was the new mass legitimately promulgated?  Yes, Paul6 promulgated the apostolic constitution (legal docuмent) which created the new mass.  This is a fact of history.  If you believe Paul6 was legitimately the pope, then his docuмent was legitimately promulgated (i.e. the docuмent was legally issued).

Being legitimately promulgated has nothing to do with whether the new mass is valid, or licit or moral.  Promulgation just has to do with a legal question.  And, yes, the docuмent which Paul6 issued, is legal.  It's a very strict question, with a very strict answer.

2.  Accepting V2 'in the light of Tradition'.  Well, new-rome has already said that the new-sspx is allowed to QUESTION certain parts of V2.  So this "acceptance" is not unconditional and 100%.  It's just not.

Is the new-sspx playing word games, to condition the faithful and to propagandize towards a FULLER agreement with new-rome in the future?  Absolutely.  But as of now, nothing they have agreed to is heretical.  And if it's not heretical, then you can't 'red light' them.
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Pax Vobis on August 08, 2025, 12:53:05 PM
We see the fruits with our own eyes. Since the 2012 Declaration, Neo-SSPX chapels have filled with Catholics who accept the indult, who attend the New Mass when convenient, and who no longer resist modernism.

I know many souls personally who once stood firm but now attend the indult on Sundays. Others drifted into the conservative Novus Ordo. Others left the Faith altogether. This is not theory. This is reality.

The contradiction is spiritual poison. How can a priest submit to Modernist Rome and still claim to resist it? How can parents raise children in that confusion and expect them to hold the line?

Some older faithful may cling to vague resistance ideals, but their presence at compromise chapels tells the next generation everything they need to know. The message is clear. You do not need to fight anymore. You do not need to resist. Rome is safe again.

But it is not. The Faith is not preserved through silent contradictions. It is not handed down by attending chapels built on betrayal.

+Archbishop Lefebvre said that compromise always begins in theory but ends in practice. That is exactly what has happened. That is why attendance at the Neo-SSPX is a danger to the soul and to the next generation.

The Faith will not survive in an environment where modernism is tolerated, where error is excused, and where the fight is abandoned.

We are not judging hearts. We are judging principles. And the principle is simple. If the root is poisoned, the fruit will be rotten.
I agree with what you're saying but the influx of indulters and the # of former-Trads who started accepting the indult began with Benedict's 2005 motu.  7 years before the new-sspx's/Fellay's declaration.

You're trying to make the case that the CAUSE of the sspx faithful becoming lukewarm was only the 2012 Declaration.  False.

There are a number of factors at play.  Did the 2012 Declaration help people become MORE TRAD?  Obviously not.  But it's not the only factor.

The main point is still that the Declaration is not heretical, even if it's lukewarm.  You still can't 'gas light' the sspx over this.  'Yellow light'?  For sure.
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Pax Vobis on August 08, 2025, 01:55:13 PM
Saying the new mass was legitimately promulgated is NOT THE SAME THING as saying it’s a legitimate (ie holy, valid, licit) rite.  I appreciate your passion but your argument is wrong.  You’re bending the truth here. 
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Matthew on August 08, 2025, 02:53:32 PM
Yes, there is much to debate, study, and ponder regarding the Crisis in the Church.

But Traditional Catholics have traditionally attended chapels with Traditional priests who offer the timeless Tridentine Mass and sacraments, and these priests are generally Traditional as well, as to their formation and attitude towards the Modern World/Vatican II.

My beef is with individuals who put way too much emphasis on "team" and proceed to attack perfectly good Traditional priests and bishops.

And I have a SERIOUS beef with those who propagate a doomer, apocalyptic vision that makes the Crisis in the Church, already the worst in 2,000 years, to be 10X or 100X worse than it actually is!

Reality: The average person has to travel 1 hour on Sunday to a decent Tridentine Mass.
LARPing fantasy: We're in the end times, with only a handful of priests worth attending their Masses.

That's the devil talking. The next step is to give up the practice of the Catholic Faith. Not everyone -- especially children, or grown children -- will want to LARP forever on this matter. If we WERE in the end times, it would be over soon. God wouldn't have us live without the Mass for decades on end. That's not going to happen. But when you're DELUDED, then anything is possible -- because it's not God's will! See how that works? God won't ask you to suffer anything beyond your strength -- but crooked priests? They might easily do that.

God is truth, man is full of lies.
God is good, man is evil.
God is He Who Is, man is he who is not.

That is why we must put our trust in God, and not in man.

You have to admit you are not God and you don't have the last word on ANYTHING touching on the Crisis. If other Trads can come up with a dissenting opinion from yours, IT IS THEIR RIGHT. It does NOT mean they are wrong and you are right. Not unless you're LARPing as God, pretending to "break the tie" by saying that "God says I'm right and you're wrong." Who can presume to do this?

Just agree to disagree on matters that humans can't solve right now, and continue your devotion to the [Traditional] Catholic faith and the Traditional movement, which saves souls.
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Pax Vobis on August 08, 2025, 03:25:50 PM
I appreciate the distinction you are trying to make, and I truly want to stay grounded in what is true and clear.

But here is what I keep coming back to. If the New Mass was truly and officially promulgated by the Church in a legitimate way, then we are saying the Church has the authority to give a rite that leads souls to lose the Faith.
The reason why I keep saying it's a legal debate is because God allows heretics to use their HUMAN REASON to destroy the church, and they (as does the devil) use LEGAL tactics to confuse.  Just as the Scribes and Pharisees did, which Christ condemned.

Here's my opinion (from a legal perspective...it's the only perspective which I have found which explains the "how" of this crisis.  The "why" did God allow a, b, or c is only known to Him):
a.  Quo Primum condemns the use, attendance or support of ANY OTHER RITE, besides the True Rite (i.e. 1955/62 missal).
b.  But...Quo Primum did not condemn the creation of a new rite, only that it could not be used.
c.  This is a loophole which the Modernists exploited.
d.  They created a new rite, and knew that it couldn't be used, attended or supported but...they used peer pressure and half-truths to shove it down the people's throats.
e.  Who would create something they knew was illegal?  Those who don't care about the law, but only about propaganda and lies.

f.  The other loophole they used...instead of new-rome officially commanding the new mass to be said/attended, they had the Bishops say it was commanded.
g.  See the diabolical deception?  The Bishops/priests would say that the new mass was commanded, while new-rome never has said this.
h.  No V2 pope or roman official has ever said that ignoring, critiquing and rejecting the new mass is a sin.  Not one person ever.  Only the Bishops in dioceses have said this.
i.  This is the legal trickery that the modern-day Scribes/Modernists used.

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That would contradict the Church’s indefectibility and holiness. The Church cannot give her children poison. She cannot lead souls into confusion and ruin through her official acts.
Technically speaking, the new mass is not commanded, nor obligated, nor is it necessary for salvation.  So it did not come from the Church, in an official sense.

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This is why the phrase “legitimately promulgated” cannot be separated from the spiritual consequences of the rite itself. If a rite was promulgated and yet destroys the Faith, then the problem lies at the root. That phrase is not just legal. It is doctrinal in effect. It conditions souls to accept the reform and the errors behind it.
This is where the phrase in Scripture to be "wise as serpents" comes into play.  V2 and the new mass are not obligatory for salvation.  They are optional, both legally and doctrinally.  If people accept such, it's because they were duped.  If they were duped until their death, then they didn't pray enough.  Because plenty of Trads were formerly novus ordo and 'woke up'.  God will awaken those who have good will.  For those that do not, or do not pray enough (i.e. lukewarm), God will leave them to their own choices.

This is the purpose of the Crisis.  To separate the good from the lukewarm.  God has allowed the Modernists to play legal mind games.  Plenty of simple-minded folk have seen through the lies and errors.  God enlightens ALL those who wish to accept the Truth; this is infallible.
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Colt on August 08, 2025, 03:34:25 PM
Quote from: Pax Vobis (https://www.cathinfo.com/index.php?topic=77559.msg995316#msg995316)Quote from: Pax Vobis (https://www.cathinfo.com/index.php?topic=77559.msg995316#msg995316)
The reason why I keep saying it's a legal debate is because God allows heretics to use their HUMAN REASON to destroy the church, and they (as does the devil) use LEGAL tactics to confuse.  Just as the Scribes and Pharisees did, which Christ condemned.

Here's my opinion (from a legal perspective...it's the only perspective which I have found which explains the "how" of this crisis.  The "why" did God allow a, b, or c is only known to Him):
a.  Quo Primum condemns the use, attendance or support of ANY OTHER RITE, besides the True Rite (i.e. 1955/62 missal).
b.  But...Quo Primum did not condemn the creation of a new rite, only that it could not be used.
c.  This is a loophole which the Modernists exploited.
d.  They created a new rite, and knew that it couldn't be used, attended or supported but...they used peer pressure and half-truths to shove it down the people's throats.
e.  Who would create something they knew was illegal?  Those who don't care about the law, but only about propaganda and lies.

f.  The other loophole they used...instead of new-rome officially commanding the new mass to be said/attended, they had the Bishops say it was commanded.
g.  See the diabolical deception?  The Bishops/priests would say that the new mass was commanded, while new-rome never has said this.
h.  No V2 pope or roman official has ever said that ignoring, critiquing and rejecting the new mass is a sin.  Not one person ever.  Only the Bishops in dioceses have said this.
i.  This is the legal trickery that the modern-day Scribes/Modernists used.
Technically speaking, the new mass is not commanded, nor obligated, nor is it necessary for salvation.  So it did not come from the Church, in an official sense.
This is where the phrase in Scripture to be "wise as serpents" comes into play.  V2 and the new mass are not obligatory for salvation.  They are optional, both legally and doctrinally.  If people accept such, it's because they were duped.  If they were duped until their death, then they didn't pray enough.  Because plenty of Trads were formerly novus ordo and 'woke up'.  God will awaken those who have good will.  For those that do not, or do not pray enough (i.e. lukewarm), God will leave them to their own choices.

This is the purpose of the Crisis.  To separate the good from the lukewarm.  God has allowed the Modernists to play legal mind games.  Plenty of simple-minded folk have seen through the lies and errors.  God enlightens ALL those who wish to accept the Truth; this is infallible.
Thank you for the detailed reply. I respect that you are trying to defend the Church’s indefectibility. That must remain the guiding principle.

But I would ask this with all sincerity. If the New Mass was never officially imposed by the Church, why did +Archbishop Lefebvre reject it so completely? The answer is not just about legality. He was rejecting what he called the Conciliar Church, which had broken with Catholic Tradition and created a new rite that endangers souls.

He said the New Mass must be avoided not merely because of legal tactics or pressure, but because the rite itself is poisoned. He did not judge it only by how it was introduced, but by what it produces in souls. It forms a Protestant spirit. It weakens the Catholic sense. And because of that, he refused to recognize it as legitimate in any form, including the claim that it had been legitimately promulgated.

The question then becomes this. If the New Mass did not come from the true Church in the proper sense, how can we accept the phrase “legitimately promulgated”? That is the phrase Bishop Fellay signed in the 2012 Doctrinal Declaration. It is the phrase now accepted by the current SSPX leadership. And that phrase has consequences.

Even if someone avoids the New Mass in practice, once they accept its legitimacy, they are slowly conditioned to trust the authorities who promote it. That is the danger +Lefebvre warned against. The compromise is not just external. It is internal and spiritual.

This is not about judging anyone’s intentions. It is about guarding the Faith from the slow erosion of truth. If we agree that the New Mass must be rejected, then we must also reject its approval. That is what protects the next generation.


Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Pax Vobis on August 08, 2025, 04:10:24 PM
Thank you for the detailed reply. I respect that you are trying to defend the Church’s indefectibility. That must remain the guiding principle.

But I would ask this with all sincerity. If the New Mass was never officially imposed by the Church, why did +Archbishop Lefebvre reject it so completely? The answer is not just about legality. He was rejecting what he called the Conciliar Church, which had broken with Catholic Tradition and created a new rite that endangers souls.
Right.  The Modernists used legal trickery to destroy souls by introducing a non-obligatory, non-Traditional, bastard rite.

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The question then becomes this. If the New Mass did not come from the true Church in the proper sense, how can we accept the phrase “legitimately promulgated”? That is the phrase 
Again, the new mass was legally promulgated.  Paul6 legally (with proper authority), promulgated (created a law and a new rite).  Technically, this was allowed, by law.

Now, can anyone USE this rite?  No, not per Quo Primum.
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Pax Vobis on August 08, 2025, 04:42:24 PM
I am glad we agree that the New Mass is a non obligatory, non Traditional, bastard rite that gravely harms souls. That clarity is essential.

Where I struggle is with the use of the phrase “legitimately promulgated.” If we mean by that phrase only that Paul VI went through a legal process to publish a new missal, then I understand your point. 

Yes.  That's all it means.

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But the problem is that this is not how the phrase functions in real life.
Because Modernists love to play word games and re-define phrases to suit their needs.  And to lie.

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When Rome uses it, it is not a neutral historical note. It is presented as a recognition that the rite itself is legitimate as an act of the Church.
That's only because the new mass is a technicality.  Every other liturgy in Church history was created to be used, it was obligatory and it was necessary for salvation.  But the new mass can't be used (per Quo Primum), it isn't obligatory and it isn't necessary for salvation.

The new mass is the ONLY RITE IN HISTORY which is not obligatory, nor necessary for salvation.  It is a historical anomaly.


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This is exactly why +Archbishop Lefebvre refused to accept that wording. He saw that once you grant “legitimate promulgation” in the Church’s name, you invite souls to believe the rite is Catholic in its essence and safe to use. That is how the Conciliar Church conditions traditional Catholics to trust it.

And that is what happened in the 2012 Doctrinal Declaration. The acceptance of that phrase was not an empty legalism. It was a signal to Rome and to the faithful that the New Mass, as a rite, had rightful standing in the Church. That is why it is spiritually dangerous to stay under priests who accept it. Even if they never offer the New Mass, the approval is already in the mind and almost always bears its fruit.
You keep complaining about "legal technicalities" but the fact is, that no matter what Trad-flavor you are, this entire Crisis is based on technicalities.

1.  If you are classic R&R, then you're arguing the technicality that sometimes the pope is to be obeyed and sometimes not.  You're also arguing that V2 wasn't doctrinal and can be questioned.  Then you're arguing that the new mass wasn't official.  It's all a technicality - whether legal, doctrinal or theological.  And most of the time, all 3.

2.  If you are a Sede, then you're arguing that even though 6 different "popes" were elected by cardinals, that this technically is void because each and every one was a mason before, or fell into heresy after, or didn't have the correct intention to be a pope when elected, etc, etc.  Again, it's all technicalities.

But technicalities aren't bad, they are specific facts which make the world go around.  Legal, doctrinal and theological details matter.

God allows the devil (and his followers) to exploit details and to use half-truths.  It's happened all through history.  Now is no different; it's just that God has allowed MORE of them to hit the fan all at once. 

But grace (and His wisdom) is still there, for those that want it.  You keep arguing that "If we explain the Crisis in THIS way, and stop explaining it THAT way, then people won't leave the Truth."  I absolutely disagree.  People leave the Truth because they want to.  Legitimate promulgation yes or no?  Doesn't matter.  What matters is what individuals WANT to do.  And most WANT the easy road.
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Pax Vobis on August 08, 2025, 06:30:10 PM
The debate around the new mass being legitimate did not start in 2012.  I’m sorry, people didn’t suddenly accept new-Rome's lies in 2012.  I get that the 2012 Docuмent is a big problem, but you’re ignoring the 40 years prior to this.  And you’re ignoring the “Benedict motu” effect which started in 2005.  If anything, the lifting of the excommunications by new/Rome made more of an impression on the sspx laity than anything else.  

How old were you in 2005?  “Oh, Pope Benedict freed the Latin mass!”   This was the sentimental garbage going around everywhere.  

I seriously doubt most sspx have even read the 2012 docuмent.  You’re giving it much too much importance.  As far as laity.  

It may have had more of an effect on the priests in the sspx, since they had to vote on it.  That, I’ll grant.  

But most people haven’t read that docuмent.  If they left Tradition, they did so because of the media propaganda which kept yelling that Benedict was bringing back Tradition.  
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Matthew on August 08, 2025, 07:29:32 PM
Absolutely. A cruise ship seeks comfort. A battleship seeks victory. But the greatest scandal is when those who once fired at the enemy now scold the soldiers for still fighting.

Tell that to Fr. Hewko, and tell him to stop firing at his fellow soldiers while he's at it! He's the one murdering his fellow soldiers (as it were). They aren't attacking him -- he's attacking them.
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: StonewallCatho on August 09, 2025, 01:51:58 AM
Saying the new mass was legitimately promulgated is NOT THE SAME THING as saying it’s a legitimate (ie holy, valid, licit) rite.  I appreciate your passion but your argument is wrong.  You’re bending the truth here.
Yes, that is the point. I think +Fellay was, as a liberal that he is, trying to do a play on words. To the SSPX audience, he meant the NOM was LEGALLY promulgated. To the Roman audience, it was meant as "the NOM is in itself valid and good". Fellay thinks he is a diplomat, but Rome has 2,000 years experience, and was not fooled. 

This is one of the reasons why they added something to the AFD (April 15 Declaration), and Fellay said he could not in conscience sign the modified docuмent. The other reason was to allow him to save face, after the Letters of the Bishops were leaked on May 10 2012.When, following the huge reactions inside the SSPX after the leak, Cardinal Levada saw the division among our bishops, he declared that the case of each SSPX bishop would be dealt separately. When Fr. Peter Scott, who was head of the New Hamburg school, saw this Levada declaration (May 16, 2012), he said that meant there would be no agreement in June. Sure enough, Rome modified the AFD to help Fellay save face by saying he could not in conscience sign the new version.


When the AFD was leaked on the internet for the general public (March 09, 2013), it made a big splash on the Internet. The same day, Father Girouard sent a commentary against it to a French website, and the next day he read the English translation of his comments from the pulpit in his Langley (BC) parish.

Three days later, he was suspended from public ministry, and ordered to move to Montreal HQ, where he would not be allowed to speak on these issues even in private. Just like they had done to Fr. Damian Fox in July 2012, and they brainwashed him and after a year sent him back to Australia. Knowing all this, and on the advice of H.E. Bp Williamson, Father refused the transfer and started the Aldergrove parish.

Following the negative reactions after the AFD was leaked on the internet, +Fellay, at a priests meeting in France, said that he went back to Rome and told Cardinal Levada that his original AFD was not anymore on the table. He told the priests that the AFD was not anymore an official policy of the SSPX. This placated most priests, but the fact remains that Fellay is a double-faced liberal.  In 2018, he was replaced by Paglarani as Gen Sup, but then he was given the new position of Councillor General. That's how hypocrisy is rewarded. That is also the sign the Neo-SSPX is still seeking a full integration to Official Rome.

As for Fr. Girouard, since his expulsion from the Neo-SSPX, he has lived 6 years in a crammy basement suite, with paper-thin walls. In 2019, he was able to buy a mobile home. Still it is a far cry from the SSPX living conditions.He lives alone, doing his own cooking, and doing his house chores. His survival depends on donations from people on his email list, with absolutely no financial security. 

He told me that if he would have remained silent, he would live in a nice big house, with full financial security for now and his old age. He would have plenty of friendly colleagues. He would have good meals. His vacations would be paid for. He could travel to all the houses of the SSPX, and be received with honor and friendship, and for free all over the world. After his death, a notice would be sent out to all SSPX priests, ordering them all to say a RIP Mass for him. Today, that would be about 700 Requiem Masses for his soul within a week! Now, he has foregone all these advantages, and he is battered left and right by the Hewko and Pfeiffer and Sede people. And he also had to endure much trials and opposition from his own parishioners over the years. Most left him, actually. And I do not speak about the stress and the fatigues of his missionary trips!

And then you ask yourselves why so few SSPX priests left and joined the Resistance? They would be crazy to do so. Yet, Father told me, many times, that even if everybody left him, he could not in conscience go back, unless the SSPX goes back on track. He remains faithful to his June 2013 Mission Statement.

He knows people on Cathinfo are well aware of all aspects of the Crisis of the Church and of the Neo-SSPX. Just look at all the ressources available on Cathinfo! So he has no need to repeat everything over and over again. And when he thinks a sermon that explains the texts of the Mass could benefit more than his usual group, he asks me to put it on Cathinfo. Next thing you know, the Hewkites and Pfeifferites and Sedevacs attack him! What kind of world is this?

Fortunately for Father's sanity, he receives every week messages of encouragement, and many people tell him his sermons are helping them a lot. And so, he continues. He knows you cannot please everybody.


Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Kazimierz on August 12, 2025, 03:11:16 PM
Father Girouard has been a beacon of hope and light, and solid unwavering doctrine for the nearly twenty years that I have know him. It is abominable that he being slandered by the Hewko cultists. If, and more likely when, our chapel neosspx chapel will eventually reach the red flag of corruption. Father Girouard remains the only bastion of valid sacraments, as the only true Traditional priest in a very large liturgical and doctrinal wasteland. 
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Matthew on August 12, 2025, 05:29:34 PM
[Fr. Girouard] told me that if he would have remained silent, he would live in a nice big house, with full financial security for now and his old age. He would have plenty of friendly colleagues. He would have good meals. His vacations would be paid for. He could travel to all the houses of the SSPX, and be received with honor and friendship, and for free all over the world. After his death, a notice would be sent out to all SSPX priests, ordering them all to say a RIP Mass for him. Today, that would be about 700 Requiem Masses for his soul within a week! Now, he has foregone all these advantages, and he is battered left and right by the Hewko and Pfeiffer and Sede people. And he also had to endure much trials and opposition from his own parishioners over the years. Most left him, actually. And I do not speak about the stress and the fatigues of his missionary trips!

And then you ask yourselves why so few SSPX priests left and joined the Resistance? They would be crazy to do so. Yet, Father told me, many times, that even if everybody left him, he could not in conscience go back, unless the SSPX goes back on track. He remains faithful to his June 2013 Mission Statement.


This is the reality which must not be forgotten. Priests are human beings, and most are weak and willing to compromise. They like friends, comfort, security, fun, and all those things. It's hard to be a hero, to practice heroic virtue. But what does God want of each one of us? That is the only important question.

Which path would you WISH you had taken, when you find yourself on your deathbed, on the brink of Eternity?

I'd take Fr. Girouard's path 7 days a week, and twice on Sunday. THAT is the sure path.

But here is something to consider. If those 700 SSPX priests offered Mass for a hypothetical, compromised Fr. Girouard's soul, don't you suppose Our Lady would take care of the real Fr. Girouard (during life and after death), since in reality he made a much BETTER choice, one more OBJECTIVELY PLEASING TO GOD? Do you think God will be outdone in generosity?

I can't imagine a person making a heroic/superior/God-focused decision resulting in ANY bad consequences for one's soul, or one's eternity.

700 Tridentine Masses offered for a soul is great, but Our Lady's special mantle of care and protection has to be worth more. She will arrange for Father's holy death and short purgatory PERSONALLY.

Serving God single-mindedly, as the saints did, is the best and only path to true happiness, both in this life and in the next.
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: StonewallCatho on August 12, 2025, 07:01:36 PM
I can't imagine a person making a heroic/superior/God-focused decision resulting in ANY bad consequences for one's soul, or one's eternity.

700 Tridentine Masses offered for a soul is great, but Our Lady's special mantle of care and protection has to be worth more. She will arrange for Father's holy death and short purgatory PERSONALLY.

Serving God single-mindedly, as the saints did, is the best and only path to true happiness, both in this life and in the next.
You are right, Matthew! I suppose this is what Father was thinking when he was faced with the choice between following the Truth and remaining in the security of the Neo-SSPX. It will be encouraging for him to read your post. Especially since this long battle had to take its toll on him.

In 2014, a year after the creation of our Aldergrove parish, Father told us we were entering the stage of the "War of the Trenches", which will be much more difficult than the previous 2 years (2012, 2013) when we were on the attack, reacting to many new developments from Rome and Menzingen. Now, it was becoming a "War of Attrition", and only the strongest and more determined would persevere. He knew that, despite his writing and preaching against the shenanigans, many parishioners would eventually get tired of the fight. He knew they would get tired of travelling longer distances for Mass; of having to worship in a rented hall; of having to set-up the chairs, the "altar", the statues, and then wrap everything up before leaving. He knew they would miss nicer ceremonies and singing, as well as so many friends. Such is human nature. Only those who keep a supernatural outlook would persevere and not "look behind after putting their hands on the plough".
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Matthew on August 12, 2025, 07:40:08 PM
of having to worship in a rented hall; of having to set-up the chairs, the "altar", the statues, and then wrap everything up before leaving. He knew they would miss nicer ceremonies and singing, as well as so many friends.

There is so much to suffer in this situation; it's a shame this suffering has to be added on to the top of the pile.

It's a shame no one has property to set up a permanent, dedicated chapel, however humble. We're talking converted basement, garage, guest room, outbuilding, trailer, storage building, etc. Humble can be quite cozy, but what's important is that its "ours", the homebase for the congregation, a spiritual home of sorts. And ceremonies/singing just require a priest and some parishioners willing or able to sing. Our tiny chapel has a great choir, despite small numbers.
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: timothei on August 12, 2025, 08:21:08 PM
Subject: A Clarification Regarding Father Girouard and His Parishioners

As a long-standing parishioner and friend of Father Girouard, I am writing to address a recent and misleading allegation.

My commitment to the Traditional Latin Mass dates back to 1978. My path has led me through various chapels and communities, including those served by independent priests, the Indult, the Fraternity of St. Peter, and the Society of St. Pius X. I offer this background not for my own sake, but to establish that my perspective is born from decades of experience and a deepening commitment to my Faith.

This journey has been one of deep spiritual formation, teaching me the necessity of conforming my life to the example of Our Lord: to be meek and humble of heart, to carry my cross daily, and to seek only the will of God the Father. We live in a time of unprecedented trial for the Church, a reality permitted by God's Providence for His greater glory.

It remains a source of profound sorrow to witness fellow Catholics deprive themselves of the Sacraments for reasons that do not pertain to doctrine or the essential fight for our Faith. The spiritual nourishment offered through the Holy Mass and the sacraments is paramount, and we must not let lesser disagreements sever us from it.

It is with this perspective, earned over many years, that I wish to correct the record regarding the claim that "half of his parishioners left him because he stopped preaching against errors." As an impartial observer who has remained, I can attest that this is a misrepresentation of the situation.  Below is a detailed account of what has been going on. For the sake of charity, I will not give the names of those who left. We pray they may one day have the humility to recognize their mistakes and come back, and be faithful to their pledge of 2013.

1-In 2012 and 2013, Father Girouard preached many times against the SSPX wanting to go back to Rome. His Superiors warned him to stop. Father also talked to the members of 3 groups he had created (Men, Women, Young Adults) to explain to them what was going on.

After Father was expelled from Langley (March 2013), a group of people came to him, and wanted to start a Resistance parish straight away. He told them this: "No. Right now, you are emotional and you love me. One day, I will say or do something that will upset you, and you will leave me. I don't want to build a parish on emotions. I want to build it on Doctrine. Therefore, I will go away for a while, and send you docuмents that you will study. If you become convinced about these docuмents, and if you can materially support a parish, I will come back, and we will make a parish."

2-And so it happened. On June 2, 2013, before the first Mass of Father's Resistance Parish in Aldergrove, all attendees signed a Mission Statement that explained the errors of Rome and of the Neo-SSPX, with a pledge they would not return to the SSPX until the problems in Rome and Neo-SSPX were fixed. They placed their new parish under the Patronage of "St. Joseph Defender of the Church", and they signed their pledge at the foot of his statue, and he has helped us faithfully ever since!

3-In the sermon of the same day, Father revealed the scandal of the "Branding of the Neo-SSPX". Following this, and up to this day, Father has always preached on the evils of Rome and the Neo-SSPX whenever a new topic came around, like the Confession jurisdiction, the Marriage jusrisdiction, the creation of Neo-SSPX Councillors Generals, the so-called "Consecration of Russia", the NO "bishop" Huonder in SSPX residence, doing sermons, confessions, and then Holy Oils, and so forth and so on.

4-Contrary to the opinions of some priests (Hewko, Pfeiffer, Ruiz...) Father Girouard has never "red-lighted" receiving the sacraments from the Neo-SSPX, as they are not yet officially integrated in the Conciliar Church. He has always explained that it was his prudential judgement that people, who cannot attend regularly a Resistance Mass, could receive the sacraments from the Neo-SSPX if they felt such a need to remain in the State of Grace.

5-However, Father qualified such a permission in the following way:

A-It does not apply to his Aldergrove parishioners, as they have Mass almost every week, and they have signed the pledge of June 2, 2013.

B-For people far from the Resistance centres, Father gives the "Yellow Light" option: Receive the sacraments when needed, but avoid the sermons and publications. Make sure the priest has been ordained or re-ordained by a genuine SSPX bishop. Make sure you keep informed of the errors and changes, etc. And try to make SSPX people to see the problems. And whenever you can attend a Resistance Mass, do so. And support the Resistance materially and spiritually.

C-Because of the many sermons Father preached while in SSPX Langley before he was kicked out, and because Father sent to all SSPX Langley parishioners in June 2013 a letter of explanation and a copy of the Mission Statement, and because in 2014 he also mailed all of them a copy of Fr. Rioult's "Impossible Reconciliaion" book, Father has declared that the SSPX Langley parishioners have a moral obligation to join his Resistance Parish, as they don't have the excuse of ignorance or of the absence of sacraments.


6-About the people who left our Resistance Parish, none of them told Father it was for doctrinal reasons. Here are the real reasons why they left:

A-In 2014, a lady was kicked out by Father because she became "Old Catholic", refusing the Dogma of 1870. The same year, a family moved out across Canada for a job promotion for the husband.

B-In July of 2015, after 4 months of preparation with the parish,  Father instituted a strict Dress Code. He said we needed to do more than the Neo-SSPX, and the Dress Code would be stricktly applied, even if it meant all parishioners would leave him. A family and another couple had to go, because they didn't agree with Father's strict dress code. (The family also had unruly children, some hitting other parishioners during Mass, so that played a role too. And the fact that the mother missed her SSPX friends, and had never wanted to come to our parish in the first place, didn't help).

C-In 2016, two young ladies left because they wanted to find men to marry, and there were more choices at the SSPX Langley parish. A young man also left because one of these two girls left, and he had a crush on her.

D-In 2016, a lady left after Father mocked some Q-Anon theories from the pulpit.

E-In 2018, a family who was unable, after many warnings, to keep their children from disturbing the congregation, publicly rebelled after Mass, and accused Father of "having all the characteristics of a Cult Leader". It was so bad that some people were crying. They were subsequently suspended from the parish and given a 3 months delay to repair the scandal and commotion caused. They preferred to go back to the SSPX. Two years later, the mother sent an email to the other parishioners, and she apologized for the scandal, and said that she had been unable to control her temper, and she said Father was "a heroic priest who paid the price for fighting for the Truth." She didn't send it to Father himself, but a parishioner forwarded it to him. Father emailed her, and told her all was forgiven, and they can come back. Unfortunately, they remain with the SSPX.

F-In 2018, a couple who disagreed with Father's advice about how to deal with their sons who lived in concubinage, told him they were planning to leave, and they left (with her daugher) at the same time than the aforementioned family as a show of support.

G-In 2019, a lady who disagreed with her husband left and returned to the SSPX. She later divorced her husband.

H-In 2022, a long-time parishioner was now too old to live on her own, and needed to go live far away with her son who goes to the SSPX. However, she remains a staunch supporter materially and spiritually, and remains a "Long-Distance" parishioner.

I-Finally, in 2023, a couple left for reasons they didn't want to disclose to Father. They remain friendly with him, and continue to support his apostolate financially.

J-CONCLUSION: THE COMMON DENOMINATOR IN ALL THESE DEPARTURES (except for those who had to move away) IS NOT A LACK OF DOCTRINAL PREACHING FROM FATHER, BUT A LACK OF DEPTH IN THEIR SPIRITUAL LIFE. APPARENTLY, THEY DIDN'T PUT HIS SPIRITUAL SERMONS AND ADVICES INTO PRACTICE. THESE DEPARTURES, VERY PAINFUL FOR FATHER AND HIS FAITHFUL PARISHIONERS, SHOW HOW THE DEVIL IS ABLE TO USE MEN'S SHALLOW SPIRITUAL LIFE TO MAKE THEM LEAVE THE "STRAIGHT AND NARROW PATH". YOU CAN HAVE ALL THE INTELLECTUAL KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE CRISIS OF THE CHURCH AND THE NEO-SSPX, BUT IF YOU DON'T ALSO HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE AND PRACTICE OF THE SPIRITUAL LIFE, YOU WILL NOT HAVE THE MORAL STRENGTH TO REMAIN FAITHFUL IN TIMES OF TRIALS.




Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Meg on August 12, 2025, 08:25:27 PM
Fortunately for Father's sanity, he receives every week messages of encouragement, and many people tell him his sermons are helping them a lot. And so, he continues. He knows you cannot please everybody.

I understand that Fr. Girouard has a zero online presence, but if he could see his way to providing his sermons online every now and then, I would be extremely grateful. I cannot attend the TLM at all now due to the distance that must be traveled, and would very much appreciate Father's edifying sermons. 
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: Seraphina on August 13, 2025, 04:52:22 AM
1. The debate around the new mass being legitimate did not start in 2012.  I’m sorry, people didn’t suddenly accept new-Rome's lies in 2012.  I get that the 2012 Docuмent is a big problem, but you’re ignoring the 40 years prior to this.  And you’re ignoring the “Benedict motu” effect which started in 2005. 

2. How old were you in 2005?  “Oh, Pope Benedict freed the Latin mass!”  This was the sentimental garbage going around everywhere. 

3. I seriously doubt most sspx have even read the 2012 docuмent.  You’re giving it much too much importance.  As far as laity. 

4. It may have had more of an effect on the priests in the sspx, since they had to vote on it.  That, I’ll grant. 

5. But most people haven’t read that docuмent.  If they left Tradition, they did so because of the media propaganda which kept yelling that Benedict was bringing back Tradition. 
1. Beliefs, right or wrong don’t arise from a vacuum. 

2. I was 49 in 2005. From the age of 18, I was seriously seeking Truth. God led me at last to Tradition.  I wasn’t operating on sentiment. Not at all.  I’d had my share of that in every brand of Protestantism I could find, and by 2005, I was done looking at Protestants.

3. I’d guesstimate a third of the lay people took a copy. How many sat down and read it thoroughly and thoughtfully? Maybe 1/3 of those.

4. Agree. The priests had to read it.

5. I read it, carefully and thoughtfully. I did not agree with significant parts of it because it was ambiguous as to exactly what Bp. Fellay was saying.  I personally never heard media (Which media? Names please!) saying that Pope Benedict was “bringing back tradition!)
Title: Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
Post by: StonewallCatho on August 13, 2025, 04:01:47 PM
I understand that Fr. Girouard has a zero online presence, but if he could see his way to providing his sermons online every now and then, I would be extremely grateful. I cannot attend the TLM at all now due to the distance that must be traveled, and would very much appreciate Father's edifying sermons.
Father used to have a website. The first one was called SACRIFICIUM. Then it was disrupted by Russian hackers. A new website, the BASTION was rebuilt, but is not completed yet. Some good videos were lost. Materials have to be gathered, and the webmaster doesn't really have the time to work on it. Father has an email list of people he knows and trust, and they receive his sermons every week. But they all had to promise they would not share them without his permission. This is why I always get his permission before I post his sermons on Cathinfo. Father is being prudent, because Canada is under Communist rule. You can go to jail if you criticize the LGBTQ, the "Moses-Led Red Sea Pedestrians People", and other such groups. Many times, Father is actually pretty acerbic against these people. He could go to jail and his parish could be closed. It is unfortunate, but this is Canada. 30 years ago, already, Bp Williamson was barred from Canada for 2 years, following a conference he made at a SSPX school. If Father goes to jail, who will take care of his parishioners in BC and elsewhere in Canada and the US? Meanwhile, you have the excellent Fr. Chazal from the Philippines, who has his sermons published every week here on Cathinfo. So, you can have your fill of good doctrine right there.